Nice video. Fine job today from all three. Thanks for the effort!

Thanks for this video. It has helped me understand my CZ MTR barrel. Blessings

AGAIN... I compliment you on your presentation style... to the point; informative; visual/audio effectiveness.

Thank you so much. Very informative for us new to 10/22 and wanting to save money, while being tempted by high end stuff for what was supposed to be a budget build!

As an old man, I have to say we had old school 513T's and others that shot in the .2-.3's way back when. I still own one of those old 513T's, and with CCI Standard, it still shoots 50yd groups that are completely covered with a dime. Heck, I have an old Remington 541 that shoots 50yd groups in the .3-.4's, and even with CCI MiniMag HP, it stays in the .5" and below. An old friend of mine had one of the last years production 513T's, and in the 1980's, we drilled and tapped it for scope mounts, added a 6-20x target scope, and it was an exceptional prone match shooter. Also, we used that rifle for "bottle cap" competition, which was shooting white plastic soda bottle caps at 100yds. Years ago, I bought a Green Mtn 20" bull match barrel for my 20 year old 10/22 stainless 22" rifle, hand inlet the barrel channel, completed a trigger stoning, added a 6-9" bipod, and it shoots every bit as good as most modern high dollar builds I have seen. At that time, the barrel was around $89.

Thanks for sharing your rifles with us. It gives us a goal standard to shot (pardon the pun) towards to. I have a wooden stock Ruger 10/22 Takedown that I had a lot of fun modifying it on a budget. I installed the KIDD "Trigger Job" Kit and it made a big difference. I installed other parts that enhanced the operation, but not necessarily it's accuracy. It's great to perform your own "gunsmith" work on in inexpensive rifle and make it better than it was.

On of the things I do when I shoot groups is dial up or down a half mil after I confirm my zero. That way I'm not shooting a big hole into my point of aim. It has really helped shrink my groups since I'm not floating my point of aim. Great videos man.

I basically built the exact same rifle as your budget gun with the Green Mountain barrel with Victor stock and with the right ammo it can compete with my 457. Thanks for all you do!

I had to sub to your channel because you take the heat that comes from the 10/22 fan-boys. Don't get wrong, I have a 10/22 too, and I started playing with them in 1987 before all the after market goodies; and the goodie today are great! But..., let me tell you a story: I got out of the Corps in 1986 and moved back home in So. California where all my friends were into fire arms, and .22 were no exception; people had kids and everyone had .22 rifles along with every fire known to mankind. I was the first guy in our circle of friends to buy a 10/22, a 'Deluxe Sporter,' at that time. I also found a Winchester 52B target rifle in a local pawn shop with no sights. It was set-up to use Redfield Olympic peep sights, which took some time to find back then. Over the years that 52B has beaten more kids with their hopped-up scoped 10/22's then you can shake a stick at - they just can't wrap their heads around how an open sight rifle can beat them. At any rate, I got to playing with that 10/22 in 1987 and came to the same conclusion you have come up with - the 10/22 platform can only achieve a certain level of accuracy, and you can not spend more money to wring anymore out of it regardless of the depth of your pocket. In 2015 I walked into the local gun shop and saw a 10/22 model 1150 - Dang, it was the same thing I bought in 1987! I missed that old rifle, so I bought it and did just what everyone else does today - put all the goodies in it. I put Kidd guts in it along with his single stage trigger and Tech Sights on it, and it is still only a minute of beer can rifle at 100 yards. The fun factor is off the charts with the 10/22, and I don't miss a dime I gave to Tony Kidd. I have always been an open sight guy, but to each their own in the 10/22 world. This rifle brings back more memories than I swat away with both hands. Now, about two years ago I ran across an article about Al Freeland's Tack Drivers, it was mostly about his BSA Martin rifles; I about fell out of my chair when I saw my Winchester 52B in that article that I bought all those years ago in that pawn shop; I paid $425 dollars for it and have about $675 total into it. I have since been able to run down documentation that Eric Johnson barreled the action for Al Freeland and who the rifle was made for out of Uncle Al's shop in Rock Island, Il. And to think that a little 10/22 purchase sparked so much passion in me about the shooting sports. I hope you pass this passion on to others better than I did over the years. Good luck on you channel, and I look forward to seeing more content from you. I am still working on things, and have more to say, but enough is good enough for now. On to the next Caper,

Your honesty is most welcome. A lot of people think that spending thousands on a rig will make them better shooter. Get the proper ammo if you want accuracy not the cheap bulk pack. You will be surprised what a $350 rifle can do.

Great video, keep them coming 👍

I appreciate the comparison video, all my builds have the same methodology applied. The "name recognition" equipment is not important to me whatsoever but I do appreciate the "fit and finish", if you can "budget build" equipment that performs as well as "high dollar", why do so in todays economy. To clarify... my term "budget" does not include inferior quality equipment. Analysis type work is required to attain budget quality that performs.

Real good stuff got a 10/22 had it forever been thinking on upgrading it I got a kid Barrel I was thinking about shooting the kid Bolt but I got a Green River Barrel too that shoots awesome I'm glad I watched this I'm not so sure that's spending a lot of money it's going to make it better good stuff thanks for the info

Have a KIDD 24" barrel and Kidd trigger but in stock receiver. Love it. I put mine together one piece at a time. If I was going to drop the kind of money on a super grade I think I would go with a Bolt gun. But for now NRL22 I am sticking with my KIDD build.

Good video. I built up a stock Ruger 10/22 with Green Mountain barrel, upgraded Ruger trigger on Magpul stock. Gave it to my Dad (near 90 years old) shoots MoA-1.5MOA groups at 100yards. I then built a Kidd, reciever, barrel, bolt and 2 stage trigger which I consistently shoot MOA - groups at 100 yards. Fun firearms. But like you seemed to have experienced. Both are ammo sensative.

Excellent review! Trying to decide on Kidd vs. less expensive. Just plinking and reducing the squirrel population. I can afford both. Thank you!

Great video you are to the point and keep the info moving 👍

Great Video! My "budget" gun wears a shaw heavy barrel ($100). It is my 2nd most accurate rimfire behind an anschutz 1712 silhouette. The accuracy surprised me because it was a pretty loose fit into the receiver- so much so I would shim it if it didn't shoot consistent .25" 5 shot groups at 50. My Green Mountain sporter contour barrel is also very accurate- .3-.4" groups at 50yd That one I had to put in the freezer to get it to insert into the receiver.

Wonderful video!

I just found your channel and I subscribed. I totally agree with what you say about the cost vs. accuracy dilemma. First some background about me. I have been shooting for 58 years, used to own a gunshop, did some gunsmithing, am a Grandmaster in Steel Challenge shooting Rimfire Optic. Enough about that. About 20 years ago I was at a gun show and decided to buy a Butler Creek blued steel heavy barrel for my completely stock 10/22. The guy I bought it from said "you will hate this barrel". When I asked why he said "because you can't miss with it, it is that accurate". He wasn't wrong. With doing nothing else but putting the barrel on, and using RWS Rifle Match ammo, with a Tasco 3-9 scope, I was able to consistently hit push pins at 50 yards. I am not a rifle novice, I shot 3 position rifle using an Anschutz 1813 rifle for many years. It is my feeling that all of the accuracy is in the barrel, and once the bullet is in the chamber, the rest of the gun is just a way to get the bullet there. Fast forward to today. As I said I shoot Steel Challenge at a high level, and built 2 guns for that sport. I started with 2 10/22's that are about 50 years old, and the only non-Ruger part I added was the barrel, which is a Tactical Solutions X-Ring 16" Aluminum sleeved version. I deburred and polished the inside of the receiver, polished and did some bolt mods, reworked the stock trigger for a 1.25 pound pull. It's amazing what you can do with a little knowledge and some hand tools. I am into the gun for $50, the barrel for $200 and a dot for $39. The stock is "stock" as well with some modifications. And that's it. I am routinely beating the guys with $1,500 guns. In this sport it is the reliability combination of the gun and ammo, it has to go bang every time you pull the trigger. In 4 years of competition, and many thousand rounds shot, I have only had one malfunction and it was a dud round. I have shot a variety of different ammo after testing for reliability, and have settled on CCI. It groups well and always fires. Just recently I updated the dot to a "real" one that is brighter and doesn't was out on the white plates. If you want to see how I built this gun and what mod's I made, check out my channel, Al Frangipane, or click on the green dot to the left. If it works, the link is below. Being a mechanical engineer, and past gunsmith, I always try to do things myself before buying stuff. I understand that not everyone has the talent to work on guns, and I also have limitations, but I get much more satisfaction making it myself then buying. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aN1leLab3JrPpoE.html

Thank you. I really appreciate the video.

I always like to see that. I have a green mountain barrel on mine as well.

Awesome video thanks for the info!!

About ten years ago I took my sons factory stock Ruger 10/22 and made it into a tack driver. I bought a Green Mountain 20" fluted blued barrel and a Hogue green stock through our local gun store for about $150. Since I bought it through them, they threw in a trigger kit that normally would cost about $75 but they hadn't sold any and they gave it to me so that I could come back and let them know if it was easy to install and whether it made any difference in trigger pull. The kit was fairly easy and it brought the pull down to about 3.5 pounds. But nowadays you can buy a 2.5 pound trigger pull Ruger BX trigger drop in for about the same money. I have done about a dozen builds since then and the BX trigger is the way I go; I recently bought one for only $64.99, but mostly they are selling around here for about $80. Anyway, the first build I did was my sons and only cost $150 above the cost of the gun but I figure with inflation, I could still do that for about $250; it would be about $275 since I have come to appreciate the skeletonized charging handles that cost $25.

Check out Beyer Barrels in Tacoma WA. Small shop does amazing work. Used one of his in a build for my grandson and couldn’t be happier.

Great video!

Great review!!

We are on the same page to not spend a lot to get great accuracy! I have blued match bull barrels on my 2 accurate .22 LR "barking bitches"! I spent as little as possible to get great accuracy. The Shaw barrels cost only $129 each on sale (Bentz chambers). Arken scopes are great for the money, Magpull and Titan stocks are great also. I did have to drop some money on the Kidd receiver and triggers. Ain't life grand!!!!!!!

Interesting. I got one of the first reasonably-priced mass produced aftermarket 10/22 barrels back in the early '90s (I believe it's a Green Mountain), cinched it up to the factory receiver/bolt, put a Volquartsen trigger kit in, and dropped the whole shebang into a Hogue Overmolded stock. Groups @ 50 yards are 3/8" (.375") with several different types of ammo. I know that the recent variety in available receivers, bolts, chassis, and trigger groups makes the rifle more suitable for positional shooting, as well as improving ergonomics and making optics mounting easier, but I am slightly surprised that it doesn't seem to increase the accuracy significantly beyond what was achievable 30 years ago.

Nice fit and finish is to be appreciated no doubt…but accuracy is the bottom line. Good comparison

Came across your channel yesterday just after sighting in the scope on my Ruger 10/22 Competition. Quite the coincidence and subscribed without thinking twice! You should really take those rifles to 100yds, at 50m/55yds even my humble Factory-Ruger shoots 5 in 1 ragged hole, which again supports your point.

I found out what you just did 20 years ago. After putting together a dozen or so 10/22 rifles over the years I stopped using money to get accurate and started using my brain. Also keep in mind that nobody has been able to tell me why one day I shoot pool and I make almost every shot an a day or two later I can't win a game to save my life. It's all about hand eye and brain coordination. People shoot one time with one type of ammo and judge It. So have fun chasing accuracy for the rest of your life people and keep your wallet handy. Ps Annie Oakley could split a playing card in half without a voodoo.

Thanks you for the very good video. All there rifle are very accurate. For your next 10-22 build have an accuracy gunsmith thread a good action with tight class 3 threads for the barrel to action fit. My Ruger action was threaded by my friend that taught a 10-22 gunsmithing class for the Colorado Gunsmithing School a number of years ago. It is very accurate with a tight Benz chamber. I bedded it into a wood Ruger Sporter stock. The only additions are a Kid 2 stage trigger, some unknown stainless barrel and a brass tuner I made. See Day at the range Turkey Challenge for target and rifle photo. Philip’s experience was that a threaded action and barrel with a good chamber will out shoot a rifle with a standard Ruger barrel attachment. There are exceptions. Reference: Harold R. Vaughn’s book “Rifle Accuracy Facts”. Less barrel to action movement during firing. Thanks. I really like your videos. JD

I would highly suggest you check out the ABRA (auto benchrest association) I have a 10/22 benchrest gun created by Joe chacon… accuracy is all about ammo and learning the quirks of your magazines.

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I really like your channel thank you and keep it up! Have you tried taking the kidd and putting it in the stock? I have read that chassis are not 10/22 best bet for accuracy

I’ve got Kidd and Green Mountain barrels. For the money it’s hard to beat the Green Mountain barrels.

My Clark 10-22 with sporter barrel is impressive. Clark and kidd both use walther lothar barrels. Lilja barrels are impressive too. My Anschutz 1710 is my most accurate sporter.

This time around I opted for the limited Talo Light Varmint 10/22 with 20" stainless tapered threaded barrel. Stock is nice but not going to be suitable for bench use. For now since my budget is limited due to not being able to work. I used cheaper optics and bipod. And once I am able to hit the range will see how it goes. I will check the barrel to see if its free floating before I go. But what other things can I do to get the most accuracy with the least amount of money?

Love the videos Don, keep it up. Where are you located? I’m assuming North of Missouri?

Aim at the center and move the impact 1” high to save the aiming point

Cheap definatly does not mean bad. I built a 10/22 with ruger receiver, kidd ultralight weight bull diameter barrel, kidd trigger and bolt in a Hogue rubber overmolded stock. Outshot i fellow at my club with a 3000 dollar plus voodoo. He was a bit pissed.

Put a Tacsol 16 1/2” bull barrel on my 10/22. Upgraded to the Ruger bx trigger and a Holosun red dot. A Blackhawk axiom stock free floated stock finished the build( lol) for now😜my new squirrel gun!

Like to see the same guns and ammo at 100 yds !! In my experience that's where groups generally start falling apart !! JMO

Well, you got lucky and got yourself a good GM barrel. I’ve got one too. It’ll shoot into 1 inch (minute of squirrel) at 75 yards, but only if I feed it Eley Match. Unfortunately I’ve got 2 other GM barrels, one of which will not shoot Minute of PAPER PLATE at 100 yards no matter what I feed it. The other one, will at least shoot MINUTE OF APPLE at 100 yds with SK Standard. Both have been replaced with KIDD barrels and if I do my part, both of those will shoot less than a MOA at 100 yds. with several types of ammo. I’ve never owned a Shilen barrel so I can’t comment on it but I hear they’re pretty darn good. The main things to stress when making a video like this is: 1 - With the cheap stuff, sometimes you get LUCKY. But not very often. 2 - With the more expensive stuff, (quality stuff) sometimes you get UNLUCKY . But not every often.

Especially with 22lr rifles, I like to have the option of having open sights.

I like your content Would you be interested in doing more reviews? We introduced the Luth-ar MCA-22 chassis for 10/22s. Would love to see what you think of it.

Can you tell us make model power range and reticle of the scope?

I’m very interesting watch your group shooting. It’s very accuracy. I like it a lot. How much the cost to build one or how much if you sale one?

So I’m looking into building my first 10-22. I have a few I have bought but my main question would be on the receivers. Should I spend more money on the bolt and barrel as compared to the receiver? As in a Brownells receiver compared to a Faxon or VQ receiver

..great video. I'm shooting pretty stock 10/22 Target Tactical factory (16" .920) @20m, 50 & 100 yards, with 5-10 shot sub-moa groups with the right ammo and torque on the stock bolt at all 3 distances. My wife shoots the 20" stainless target barrel and has shot 0.5" 5 shot groups @100 yards in good conditions..very impressive factory barrels!

Do you think I would be better off with a stainless or regular Green Mountain barrel? I will be doing the machining myself for an AR22 I'm building.

Ammo sorting, different barrels, after-market bolts - all these are mostly esoteric, after $100 all 22lr barrels are just the same accurate - just good, perfectly straight barrels, ammo, trigger, optic and the most important skill means much more there.

Why single stage triggers on a precision build? I thought 2-stage was generally preferred for slow precision fire. (I’m trying to figure out what I want in my build)

This type of analysis works for ammunition also! The tube (barrel) you've selected doesn't apply name recognition to group size.

How do you like the Arkin scope ? Been thinking about pulling the trigger on one , pun intended .

What’s your feelings about the KIDD now since they sent you a replacement barrel? Thx

Green mountain stainless 920, butler creek stock with built in bi pod sticks, volquartsen trigger job at 2.5 lbs, and my BSA sweet 22 sniper scope. I also set my head space at .042 . .25 moa at 50 yds. You are literally putting the majority of the shots in the same hole with cci ammo

I think they all shot well. Almost as good as my Volquartsen rifle

Wonderful video and excellent groups between all three rifles... So we never talked about price...how much ?

Do you have a build breakdown of the budget rifle? I’d like to build one. Thanks.

Did I miss the actual total $$$ prices? Thanks. subbed. I know prices vary with time and vendor, but still.

Is the Shilen rig still your favorite setup?

Off topic but what rear bag are you using? Thanks

Looking to order a barrel but green mountain says they’re not rated for subs. Why?

Need to show the ammo that you are using . Do you prefer a synthetic, lead, or copper tipped round

But have you tried "the big stick" from GMRB? 28 inches of perfection. Add a Harrell tuner and you will shoot in the .2's with CCI standard or TAC 22 red box. It doesn't hurt that you are about 11 inches closer to the target than everyone else.

Have you tested or have any plans to test the Black Rain Ordinance 10/22 line?

This video is Gold, thanks for your honesty. Sent you an email I wanna build the budget model.

The KIDD rifle had 4 groups under .4 and the worst group was .42, that is a level of consistency and accuracy the others did not match.The real test would be at 100 yards

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How about a follow-up video with these three rifles and SK Long Range Match at 100 and 200 yards. "The new SK Long Range Match is the perfect choice for demanding .22 LR enthusiasts routinely acquiring targets out to 100 yards and beyond." From this video you've demonstrated that the Budget 10/22 gets the same results as the other two, at 50 yards, but most of us will shoot longer ranges too.

I've got 2 modified 10/22s. One I built from scratch with pretty good name brand companies parts from Midway that were REDUCED or CLEARANCE priced. Then the other one was built from possibly even better companies (most of the parts are NOT LABLED, all I had to do is mount a decent scope. I'll let you know later how they do. Unfortunately I had a FIRE at my house in my BEDROOM at 3 am and I'm spending most of my time fighting with the insurance company and it's not smart for me to have my TOYS where I'm living while I'm waiting for the insurance company to cough up MONEY for me to FIX MY HOUSE.🤔😯😳😵‍💫😩😖😡🤬😮‍💨

Who makes 4R Match Ammo?

Not trying to troll you. Are there any Ruger components on those Precision Rifles at all? Once you have replaced the: - Barrel - Trigger Group - Stock - Bolt (and assemblies) - Receiver What's left that was made by Ruger?

You did not mention the price on your budget rifle a minue subscriber of yours and I would like to start in a low-budget can you help me with this about your price of your life blow budget

Great video! What are parts for the budget build?

Not a 1022 anymore, does it say ruger anywhere on it?

This made me get a green mountain barrel and this MF’ shoots.

Do they make a prefit silen barrel for 10/22

Send that Kidd barrel and receiver off to Randy at CPC he will get more accuracy out of it. My 100% factory Ruger 10/22 target model shoots 1/2” ten shot groups with CCI green tag every time after his tune up. I haven’t found any match SK, Eley or Lapua locally to even try yet. You should be getting 1/4” 5 shot groups from a Kidd setup judging by the ones I’ve seen in action.

Really need Kidd’s supergrade

How much is the budget 10/22? Great video!

How do Remington Thunder Bolts do?

Nice video. I’m curious if you’ve ever experimented with magazines . I have 2 Kidd rifles that group extremely well with 3 of my 7 10 round rotary mags . The other mag all disappoint .

I agree totally my kidd SG with hunter x is not as accurate as my brn-22 Volquartsen Inferno chassis kidd 20" barrel Kidd 2 stage build

Do a video on cleaning your 10/22

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Is the shilen still your favorite on the market?

Do you have a build/price list?

What’s the scope used. Thanks

Great, well documented comparison of the 3 rifles’ accuracy. I wish you would have actually discussed real price ranges for these guns instead of “budget, expensive and really expensive.” In the end, this didn’t help me so much.

Dial up or down a couple minutes. Hold dead on. This way you don't shoot your aim point for better consistency, and you can use the shoot n see stickers with out the splatter for the groups.

You mentioned that you would discuss the cost of the guns, but I didn't catch it if you did. You only say low, middle, or high for the pricing. Are you willing to release the real cost? I have a good idea based on the components, somewhat.

On the Kidd did you have any fitment issues with the krg? I'm assuming it came in the hunter stock when you got it. Also did you have to order another rear tang for the krg, or did the one it came with work?

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I liked the comparison, but I really wanted to know the total cost for each rifle.

Ruger 10/22 with a Franklin armory binary trigger is the only upgrade you need

Don, have you built a 10/22 Takedown?

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