Yeah, BSG should have the Star Wars tag line "A long time ago..."

This has all happened before....

Thought the ending was a bit crap and lacked any real thought, like it was a quick “oh why don’t we”

@@moonbaby6134 When you invoke the supernatural, you can write any ending you want.

@@Hunpecked so what. It was still crap.

It saved my friend's life- we were watching it, and it was HER last good day... Kinda figured it out and, Lords, that was a long night.

It's a beautiful sight

@@Whykickamoocow And later realizing they miscalculated the second jump (too low/still in atmo), which is why the Bucket was in such poor shape before the fight even started.

The Adama maneuver.

It was one of the best moments in TV ever.

Blew me away. The engineer in me, busy working out the dynamics - fighters jumping out of tubes as the mass hulk fell at (approx.) 32ft/sec/sec, while the fan in me was screaming at the pure genius of such an impressive maneuver.

I watched the episode live with my closed captioning on (I couldn't turn it off) and when the music began building and it read _[All Along the Watchtower]_ I was so dumbfounded, yet so hyped to find out what was about to unfold.

I think that in a way Dee was the most optimistic of them all that they would find Earth. She was optimistic, deeply spiritual, and desperately needed something to hold onto after her civilization faced an apocalypse. She was rock solid until she wasn’t and that’s the moment when everything really started to break down.

We see Dee with Helo on the raptor coming up from Earth, and in the middle of that scene, she is holding the jacks in her hand and she just stops crying - which for me was the moment that I knew she was going to end it. It's brilliantly subtle, unless you've dealt with people fighting depression and suicidal idealation.

i read somewhere that she was from the colony that was very spiritual..that believed in the prophecy..and getting to know that the prophecy that was the background of your whole life was false..broke her...

Im late to this party but want to know something hilariously terrible? When the episode with Dee's death aired on television, after the shot, it immediately cuts to commercials and the FIRST commercial is exploding tomato soup cans. (idk if the commercials were universal or localized but it was an emotional rollercoaster)

I never managed to latch onto any character throughout the whole show so I never really missed anyone when they died. Tho that scene was still shocking.

yeah, that one was brutal.

I went numb when I first saw it. I sat in shock for minutes not comprehending what I saw

On a Reddit forum I read that if this scene wasn't scifi - it was the best docudrama ever produced. That is deep in my opinion and I couldn't agree more.

She was annoying, I would have spaced her

Yes it was. See, I hate when attractive women die in movies, tv shows, etc. I just do. So seeing the adorable Dee paint the walls in her brain matter was...unsettling to say the least.

Man, how lucky were they that Galactica lasted just long enough to take her final jump? 😳

Never underestimate the bucket. She's taken more nuke hits than Earth's atmosphere.

sad? nah, that ship cracking and buckling was awesome 😂 It finally felt like it deserved its nickname 'The Bucket'

Makes you wish they would have kept the Pegasus instead.

Its why you CLOSE THE PODS before jumping; structural integrity is a bitch. Also, pour one out for the poor Viper pilot that got bucked out of the flight pod when the back broke...

So say we all.

wtf moment was wtf

That is hillarious and actually from the first season so I give them credit for planing ahhead

It was like an even better version of Babylon 5. Space opera, all of humanity rests in the balance, an impossible uphill battle, all on a limited run TV show. Also, not afraid to kill of main characters. Nobody is safe.

when the re-boot was announced i thought WHY? boy was i wrong much darker, more realistic, more human? became a big fan

frack yes

If that's me lying there than what am I?!?

I thought it was quite possibly one of the greatest shows ever! I’m not really even a fan of this genre, my ex boyfriend made me watch it and I was dreading it! I was hooked instantly!

I thought of this one right away as well. You're left with a "What the Frack" is she??? I wonder if the writers really knew or they made this one up as they went along. The saddest moment is when she disappears on Lee. Did she really exist at all?

@@HalRappaport Oh, she just pulled a Batman; he turned around and she bolted...

know this too well

i suppose it was

And they did their research- a good number of people who commit suicide get their stuff in order, have one last good night/day/adventure, and then do it. (Watching that scene actually "caught" a friend before they were gonna...)

@@Sephiroth144 Indeed. I can say from personal experience that a feeling of contentment can be one of the most dangerous emotions when depressed, the false clarity and urge to "leave on a good note" rather than slide back down can be far harder to fight than anything more obvious. That scene hit me like a hammer blow because I recognised her reasoning and how terrifyingly accurate it was.

@@Ylyrra Verily; one of those time where all that studying for the psyche degree came together in a moment of perfect "oh shit..." clarity.

At the point of Felix’s execution, his missing leg stops itching. That broke me

Or more to the point- that it was a third party, neither Cylon nor Human/Colonial...

Head!Six and Head!Baltar were so great. Tricia Helfer played a bunch of different Sixes and was amazing as all of them.

@@gateauxq4604 Agreed. But of course, hey, its Tricia.

@@gateauxq4604 The producers really struck gold with Tricia Helfer, a literal Victoria's Secret Angel with real acting chops. Six in all her iterations is a rich and wonderful character.

@@Arroway2357 She does an amazing job as Edi in the Mass Effect games too (particularly the third one). And by pretty much every account I've heard she's supposed to be a great person off camera too. Some people are just annoyingly perfect in that way...lol

SO SAY WE ALL!

The ending didn't bother me- SAVE the last three minutes. That... that they could've left.

The ending was the best part. The tie up to the series was a little rushed but other than that it was great.

@@charlessmith1890 Agreed completely!

I think the simple critizim with the end of this series is the line "god did it in the end" as least George R R martin seems to think so as he already told us how much he hates that concept but even then the allogorical representation and spirtual religious tones of the series i think really gave it something that goes even beyond a character drama and made things more interseting and mysterious with its lore. The whole scientific meaning at the end of which all this time they were 150 million years in the past was also pretty mind blowing. BSG really was Poetry in motion, it was a masterpiece that perhaps was a bit to ambitious but all in all the series lended it self well as a whole I think.

@@Artimes. To be fair, its not "God did it". Its more like "Something did it". The series blatantly says that "something" does not like to be called God. So....its "something" but you just do not know what it is. As for Martin....its going to be quite rich of him if he does indeed wish to have the 3 eyed raven in power at the end of his Song of Ice and Fire. Its pretty much the very same thing, just, in Game of Thrones, the God which wins is named during the story. The 3 eyed raven pretty much acts like a God, together with powers to explore the past and future.

I can still hear Roslin saying "... I'm coming after all of you!..."

ye... I hated that episode and episodes like it. Galactica has no filler episodes in the most technical sense. When nothing plot relevant happens all episode until the last 5 mins. Billy dying totally fit the bill for a BSG filler episode. What a way to go 😅

Yes this is that good, but do yourself a favour and watch Babylon 5. Season 1 is slow going, but it is so worth it. As sci-fi goes, B5 is the pinnnacle.

o wow, didn't even think of that 😅

I forgot about that. This reminds me of The Magicians. The crops in Fillory worked by magic and Elliot had to reveal that he grew up on a farm and showed them how to grow crops the regular way, when crop magic stopped working.

Yep, time to break out the blurays. Caprica had a lot of potential, shame it got cancelled

I love BSG, but I love Caprica much more. I’ve rewatched 4 times.

Just finished rewatching a month ago. BSG still holds on strong (some CGI didn't age well, but who gives a shit with that plot) but Caprica dissapointed me even more than the 1st time. It had potential, but it tried too hard to drop in as many references to BSG as possible whether it made sense or not.

don't leave blood & Chrome

I know what your feeling and i understand the kind of pull this show has and I am also having that issue of watching it so many times over that I just can't get enough of it. But if you want to watch something new or different, I would recommend Star trek DS9 which Ronald D. Moore was also heavly involved with, OR expanse seems to be a really interesting show that I am currently watching now. Its hard to let go of BSG but man we have to if we are going to broaden our horizons a bit. There are still some solid space drama's and scifi series you may find you really enjoy.

Ihavetheentireserirsondvdcsntgetenoughofitno.6lovehertobitz.

There's FMA Brotherhood. Tough competition out there 😁

Never, ever liked Rosalyn. The actor played a great character, but the character was a piece of crap.

@@danielmitchell6940 Don't get me wrong, Mary McDonnell is a great actress but I will admit some of her roles either don't fit her or the reverse somehow and comes off as a little underdeveloped. Whether that's her or a fault of writers is anyone's guess. In my opinion her part in BSG was something that I just became accustomed to and eventually respected. Playing a teacher thrust into some sort of dying chosen leader in an opening pilot is rather difficult enough. When such a new character is in a show being immediately compared to its predecessor only compounds the matter. All things considered, she did pretty well by shows end.

@@danielmitchell6940 i mean i felt that way with all characters. The morality in BSG is barbaric. The class inequality, the firing squad, raping prisinors. I'm glad they blew up Caprica if this is what they were like 😅 Kinda why I could never latch onto anyone. They were all so alien to me. If I met any of them in real life I'd stay far away from them. 😆

That was the grabber for me too. It was the right choice. It was the only choice. But you felt it when other ship captains radioed in hoping she burns in Hell. And then later for good measure, just when you thought they were done kicking your heart in the nuts, Roslyn is informed that the little girl she met earlier on the greenhouse ship died because it had no FTL. There was nothing at all she could do with the immense outrage, hatred, sadness, and self-loathing this brought.

For many people it was obvious when you knew the original series.

I liked the end to makes sense and it,s also warning to i mean holly shit : )

It was also stupid the tactic heavily damaged the Galactica

Helena Cain (Michelle Forbes) - such a great character! Her anger, hatred, and coldness was a perfect embodiment of what the Cylons felt the human race embodied. She did what she had to do to ensure the survival of the Pegasus and at the same time acted in a manner the Cylons believed was a character trait of all humans - the inability to truly forgive - an example of why the human race would never meet with Cylons on equal terms and work toward peace.

So say we all!

Whad'ya hear, Starbuck?

@@Spthomas47 The Cat. Yeah, its raining, but the cat is screaming bloody murder because its outside in the rain...

She was a tool of the God(s), returned to complete her mission. Mission done, yoink! (Or she's Batman- seriously, Lee turns around, and she disappeared, she was the best at everything, died but got better- that's totally Batman.)

I think that whole "angel" angle was in a way sort of a -ripoff- tribute to the last few storylines of the old _Battlestar:GALATICA_ series, in particular the "Experiment in Terra". The "angels" in the new show were those "Beings of Light" from the old.

@@STSWB5SG1FAN Yes, how dare Battlestar Galactica "rip off" *checks notes* Battlestar Galactica.

Ron Moore decided to end the series with Season 4 because I think he was scared that the network was going to can it before they could finish the story. He made it clear that Season 3 ended with the beginning of the final act, anyway.

Not everybody likes that twist.

@@DerTaran i don't care, its meant to be a twist, i liked it and thats all that matters to me

@@john_molden So we're supposed to care about what you think?

@@larrysmith2638 did i say you should? And what makes you think anyone cares about what you think?

@@john_molden Fair enough.

So say we all.

Thats wrong, the stern of the titanic wasnt smashed by a column of water. The reason the stern is in much worse contidion is that the stern wasnt fully flooded like the bow, so it imploded on the way down when the water pressure rised, also unlike the bow, the stern spiraled down what put a lot more stress to the stucture and ripped parts off and because of the spiraling down, the stern hit the ground much later than the bow. Did your column of water took a coffee brake on the way down, to wait for the stern?

Debateable; after all, when the Galactica jumps, it creates a vacuum, which would seemingly absorb some of the pressure wake. Likewise, we see a decent air pressure wave hit the ground, whereas the Galactica jump vacuum should've been pulling the dust and such upwards.

Out the airlock with yee

So say we all.

Is Firefly a joke to you???

I'll fight ya, but not because you're wrong, but it's good for morale.

It started with a miniseries and then continued as a full fledged show.

nah, this show made it quite clear what happens to traitors. I was more curious what would happen to that one guard that was escorting Adama. Did Adama forgive him? 🤔 We will never know 😅

When Felix’s missing leg stopped itching just as he was about to be shot

by that time the show went from seemingly having a plotted out arc to just becoming "stuff happens" and "looks who's a cylon."

While I didn't hate it, it just seemed like a poorly executed great idea. Even enjoyed it a bit despite that.

I gave up on it quickly just because they were dragging everthing out far too slowly. Good ideas, good actors, great characters, but bad pacing. Also, it followed after the first series sort of burnt out its brilliance. I am sad about that.

I'll always concede that the first half was flawed. It did feel like they were dragging all the plot points so they could climax at the mid-season finale point, causing everything to feel very drawn out. But then Jane Espenson stepped down as showrunner and I believer it was Drew Z. Greenberg who stepped up and the second half was such a marked improvement. The stories moved at a much faster pace without also seemingly rushed. He wrapped up some plot threads and built some new ones that were so promising. Of course, Syfy were eager to dump it because when they brought it back from hiatus (months earlier than originally planned after fans' outcries), they aired only 3 of the latter 9 episodes before deciding to can it. (They announced it after airing the fourth, but I remember it didn't include a trailer for the fifth, meaning they had already made up their minds before it even aired.)

For me a big problem was so much time spent on the non-Cylon stuff. I don't remember the show that well, but I recall a crime sub-story and a Matrix-like VR sub-story that just seemed to drag and not connect very well to the premise of the show being about how the Cylons came to be. The show was finally getting pretty good by the end but it was too late.

and the final scene gods plan? you know she does not like it when you call her that. me thinking starbuck is god?

It would explain the "Ancient Astronauts" Theory and why so much advanced tech was found around the world...

Except the fly the fleet into the sun, because we all want to live like primitive apes now....

One of the best endings for a tv show. Making me think oh ya this could have happened.

well that was definitely unexpected

Yes, however the alien hyper-intelligence, has let us all down. the dumb jerks!

I still do not get where she went !

How can you not include Babylon 5?

You right - love B5 too! :)

I distinctly remember listening to one of the podcasts that Moore et al did alongside the first airing of an episode, and they discussed the "Final Five" and how they only became a thing after the writers realised that the fanbase was putting huge effort into speculation - they were never meant to be a thing, there were going to be other models which were revealed and were nothing special, but the fan speculation made the writers rethink everything. Probably why the plan thing was quietly forgotten about in the series... That was the biggest disappointment for me in the show - one of the major plot points didnt exist until the writers followed the fanbase :( Makes you wonder what the original ending to it all was going to be.

@@richardprice or perhaps they thought they wouldn't get to end the series at all before it might be canceled by SyFy. LOL! Just a thought.

Oh, they had a plan- it was the same as Bender's: Kill all the humans. Then some schmucks didn't quite get the job done, so they started changing shit.

Watched an interview with Moore, he said when the show first started marketing wanted to put in the opening recaps "and they have a plan". Moore said what the hell they don't have a plan outside of killing humans. Market guys said so what no one will question it, it sounds cool..Marketing wanted in there. He said in the interview that it wasn't a thing until near the end of the series that fans were getting upset that there wasn't a revealed plan. Hey what do I know I'm 18 years late to the party, on my second watch through though.

@@ScarredCitizen 😏

Have you ever seen Babylon 5? The series got a huge jump in fans after BSG ended. B5 has this level of writing but its a longer, drawn out story that covers 5 years and a bunch of TV movies. Because it was network television, and 10 years older, it is not as dark as BSG was, and the story has a lot more tangents in it. The creator JMS wanted sci-fi that was realistic but showed that peoples will always be flawed no matter how advanced they are technologically.

@@brianwhedon8442 The more I hear about this show, the more I want to watch it - Babylon 5

I believe the song was itself supposed to exist outside either Human or Cylon, but almost part of the Cycle; after all, the Final 4/5ths heard the song, but didn't compose it. (And I'm pretty sure its on the background at some point in The Farm- or maybe they just meant to do that)

@@Sephiroth144 I was never clear about the specific origin of the song - I'd assumed it was meant to evoke the idea of artificial intelligence evolving to the point of creative and abstract thought. That the producers used such a recognizable song in this context however I think makes more sense in your interpretation, and that it may suggest a link between human and cylon that goes beyond simply creator-creation, and maybe hinting at something more universal - like the idea of the manifestation of the soul as something that is born of struggle and endeavor, which both humanity and cylon share.

​@@SJReid82 Or, perhaps, to show a continuity of the oversoul; certain themes and ideas, as well as the overarching events, would repeat- albeit in altered versions thereof.

Lots of theories by people who don't understand mental health and feel the need to invent a convoluted explanation. She was depressed and had no support and was sufficiently competent that everyone thought she had it together while everyone else was falling apart, and she had a moment of happiness with no hope that it could ever last or return, and decided she was content with that being the arc of her story, rather than one that returned to what seemed to her of a future of struggle to no purpose or joy. Lee never had any true idea just how cruel he was to her or how deeply he hurt her by never seeing beyond his own needs and wants. She didn't just want to be happy with him, she wanted to be able to trust that happiness wasn't going to be taken away again, and he could never give her that... or was even aware that he needed to. He crushed her spirit and ability to fight. It was some of the most brutally accurate writing on the show.

Well, it wasn't "our" sun- it was the "13th Colony" and it was named Earth, but that Earth didn't orbit Sol.

It seems unlikely the entire planet would be dangerously radioactive after 2,000 years. Even in the Chernobyl exclusion zone there are areas much less contaminated than the rest. The most dangerous isotopes in the zone have half lives around 30 years (Cs-137, Sr-90) or 8 days (I-131) so they'd be pretty much gone in 2,000 years. Wildlife is thriving in the zone's (nearly) human-free environment.

Yes, unbelievably fantastic ending to the first half of the fourth season. I think of the black female officer (I forgot her name) who committed suicide.

and people give voyager slack for that stuff, i mean tey never ran out of food ever

watch dark star by john carpenter crew saying needed either radiation shielding or toilet paper and if we had to choose can you send toilet paper

Probably more than that. But this was a good list.

Different comment was saying they may start with Caprica. I've not rewatched like that yet. I may just. Might even add the webisodes to the time-line.

@@Spthomas47 Might need to add Blood and Chrome to the mix...

@@Sephiroth144 all in chronological order would be pretty cool. Certainly for a rewatch, but not a first time through though.

@@Spthomas47 Absolutely. First timers- Mini-Series ---> Series (with Razor after S02E17)

Shiny.

So say we all

It was a great twist, since in the season finale before they had found Earth and it was a post nuclear wasteland. The show had ended at that point and I remember everyone on the internet suggesting it was OUR EARTH in the near future. The twist to make it a different planet, and them calling this new planet they found "Earth" then saying it was 150,000 years in the past was great! I remember reading the forums right after this and it got all the fans talking. Half LOVED this twist, half thought it was a bad "ancient aliens" twist, which is rather bizarre since the entire theme of the original BSG WAS that Earth IS the 13th tribe of Kobol. And that is canon to the original series

i thought until the end that time travel would be a factor.... the chronology of events still mystifies me. Does it really make sense? 🤔