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10 Contradictions in Jehovah's Witness Teachings
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Күн бұрын(Cedars' vlog no. 343) Jehovah's Witnesses are deeply proud of their beliefs, claiming them to be Bible-based. But are they internally consistent and in harmony with science? In this video, I list 10 clear contradictions in the religion's teachings.
Timestamps:
10 - 01:10 Christmas and piñatas
09 - 06:52 Evolution and Noah's Ark
08 - 13:20 Anointed may be mentally imbalanced
07 - 16:02 God cannot lie but approves "theocratic warfare" & "new light"
06 - 22:57 Miracles v. "Jehovah's hand"
05 - 28:27 "Free will" v. threats of destruction
04 - 32:15 Infant baptism v. child baptism
03 - 39:00 Dissuade higher education (but happy to benefit from it)
02 - 42:17 Shunning and the "prodigal son"
01 - 47:37 The blood prohibition, leukocytes, and Saul's men
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@rhuanhollands 4 жыл бұрын
Hey John! I’m a 16 yr old bro from the UK, and ur videos have helped me wake up; and my whole family. I listen to your JW broadcasting videos when I’m playing video games, they’ve helped me undo my JW upbringing. Thank you so much!
@LloydEvans 4 жыл бұрын
That's wonderful to hear! Congratulations! :)
@Mewithabeard 4 жыл бұрын
Well done mate, hope you and your kin have a smooth transition. He's helped me and a lot of others I know with leaving "The Truth" too. Also it's great that you've managed to wake up while you're still young, you've now got a chance to experience your teenage years without the shackles of the society. Again, really well done dude. Make something of yourself now that you have the chance to
@annemariefrank 4 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏👏 Well done! Cheers to a whole life out of prison of mind!
@jdog4life911 4 жыл бұрын
Mashinmaindo start making videos how you woke up with your family.
@arthurdonehower6115 4 жыл бұрын
satan win again
@ruthephoenix22 4 жыл бұрын
As someone born into the truth and raised by an elder I remember all of the times we had to "take a stand for Jehovah". Not saying cheers, not clinking glasses, not putting a tree in the house, no piercings/tattoos, my ex-husband being brought into the back room by elders and told to shave his beard off...(which he did). No ankle braclets (I really wanted one)... And now... Now PINATAS are okay?! Why I oughta!
@charlesomalley9564 4 жыл бұрын
@@kevinwarren1576 Yes, you are correct. Fo sho. Sounds like your mom is a really good person and I'm glad she kept y'all safe!
@charlesomalley9564 4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking similar thoughts during the piñata part! Wft! The hypocrisy of it just smacks you in the face.
@kosmicken 4 жыл бұрын
I know old habits can be hard to break, but please don’t call it “the truth.” It’s anything but.
@ruthephoenix22 4 жыл бұрын
@@kosmicken I did think that when writing but no, that's what they told me it was, that's what I grew up in, the truth that was a lie.
@ruthephoenix22 4 жыл бұрын
@@kosmicken also you don't get to dictate what people call the cult they grew up in (especially if it's the name they actually used) just something to keep in mind ;)
@rjscott3939 4 жыл бұрын
Here's yet another contradiction: JW's say that even though the faithful slave is guided by holy spirit they can still make mistakes because they are still imperfect. Well by that logic the bible can also make mistakes. After all the bible writers were also guided by the holy spirit and they were imperfect also
@O5AXD 4 жыл бұрын
Most jw I talked to, my family included, are of faith that writers were like a pen, a tool used by good
@MAJ-qy3gm 4 жыл бұрын
That's true not even Jesus claimed to be perfect. He said only the father is good. And I say it again go see the qualities of love 1 Cor 13. Since God is Love.
@robjackson4050 2 жыл бұрын
@@MAJ-qy3gm jesus never said it himself but i think it is in the bible please if i am wrong on that tell me and as far as god being love have you read the old testament?
@florian8599 2 жыл бұрын
@@O5AXD OMG! Imagine being so indoctrinated by this ideology, that you don't even realize that divine _inspiration_ doesn't mean divine _dictation_ ...
@dennisconstantine624 11 ай бұрын
@@O5AXDGod?
@jrojala 4 жыл бұрын
I knew a 5 year old who was baptized as soon as he learned to read- even when I was fully indoctrinated I thought it was bizarre- he was a regular pioneer before he was in grade school... You should’ve seen the householder’s faces when this lil baby was giving bible presentations at their doors. He was a clever kid, to be sure, but it made me very uncomfortable to be at a door, standing silently behind this little child preacher while the householder just stares at me like, “Is this for real?” I always wonder how he is today- he’s an adult by now... I can’t imagine what his childhood could’ve been like.
@st.commodus1437 3 жыл бұрын
Damn I hope he didn’t turn out weird
@jonathanrayne 3 жыл бұрын
Trust me, I was forced to do crap like that. My childhood was barely tolerable. God forbid we ended up at the door of a classmate or kid I knew from the neighborhood. My sisters and I were teased constantly. NOT good for a kid.
@Rwdogg21 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanrayne that was my childhood as well. I left@17, but came back in 13
@Rwdogg21 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanrayne yes I wasn't baptized as a youth, but I did in 16. Birthdays holidays, getting drunk all overrated
@gennaropannelli7138 2 жыл бұрын
Non si è mai sentito che quando i discepoli di Gesù predicavano cerano bambini che predicavano. Nel libro di Ecclesiastiche troviamo :che ce un tempo per ogni cosa . I BAMBINI DEVONO VIVERE LA VITA DA BAMBINI ,NON SERVIRE LA WATCHTOWER AMERICANA, IPOCRITI IMPOSTORI BUGIARDI MANIPOLATORI DI TUTTI E DI TUTTO. DA L'ITALIA SALUTI E BUONA VITA A TUTTI SECONDO I VOSTRI DESIDERI.
@jrow0524 4 жыл бұрын
Wow Lloyd. Very interesting some things I never thought of. While I have been out for 12 years there are still things I believed and you are helping me more and more to see that the thing I believed are just not true and guided by men. Thanks for what you do. I wish I could get my family to see this I miss them!
@meghansullivan6812 4 жыл бұрын
good for you!!!!!
@Kree-gr5gs Жыл бұрын
Are you religious or atheist
@jrow0524 Жыл бұрын
@@Kree-gr5gs as of right now I would consider myself an agnostic atheist. The comment I made was 3 years ago and would have said I’m an agnostic theist but the more I research I have found not much evidence to believe in the existence of god as most theists believe.
@ninajohnson5981 4 жыл бұрын
The parable of the prodigal son always baffled me with JW's and shunning. Oh, I am glad to be out of it
@jamesquick403 2 жыл бұрын
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@cygnustsp 4 жыл бұрын
I can barely believe i was ever an ardent jw. Took their positions as reasons to make life choices. My 75 year old mom is still a jw and I'm disfellowshipped but she supports me in literally every way. What a crazy way to go about living life.
@Vienna3080 4 жыл бұрын
One full hour of John Ceders Hell yea
@DancewithChigo 4 жыл бұрын
Getting baptised at 6 years old, that's is just insane
@Ed30675 4 жыл бұрын
Outrageous... Totally foreign to the J.W. religion I was brought up in...
@lisajane4330 4 жыл бұрын
Seriously a child in kindergarten? Definately not much different to baptising babies.
@izap6712 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine getting asked all this JW questions, about your opinion on sex, sexuality, drugs, alcohol, politics when in school you just finished I don't know counting to 💯 or multiplication by 1 and 2. Yikes 😓
@izap6712 4 жыл бұрын
@@spellbound111 I was still in when I was talking about it. What kid in this planet was more ready for baptism than Jesus ? That's why I took it when I was 18, Hella regret it but I didn't known better at that time.
@stormdash2092 4 жыл бұрын
spellbound111 omg yasss. I’ve been thinking the exact same thing!!!
@mikespilligan1490 4 жыл бұрын
My mum told my father, a doctor, that a heart transplant changed a persons personality. Watchtower told her at one time the seat of personality resides in the heart. My dad just looked shocked that someone could believe such horseshit.
@robynbass9636 4 жыл бұрын
@@randyg.7940 I had a kidney transplant 8 years ago after being COMPLETELY faded for 30 odd years. In the run up to being put on the transplant waiting list 3 years before the transplant, can you imagine the consultants raised eye brows when I asked the question - "will it change my personality". This was the shit that was around when I was a kid growing up in this CULT to do with any transplants.
@bumrush9422 4 жыл бұрын
@Stefan Listevyios WT said as late as 1961 that a blood transfusion infused the recipient with the personality traits of the donor. Not kidding! LOL.
@robynbass9636 4 жыл бұрын
@Stefan Listevyios Well thats the best excuse I've ever heard, honestly, you couldn't make it up. Sounds like he has his explanation all worked our for the elders if he's ever dragged into the back room.
@traceysankar-charleau4003 4 жыл бұрын
🙄🙄🙄🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 that's alot of bullroar 🤣
@lindapluck1535 3 жыл бұрын
Hni@@christivollgraaff5191
@mollysvanstrom5165 4 жыл бұрын
Another perfect example of how easy it is to disprove the JW doctrines and unrealistic beliefs. thank you Lloyd!
@michaelwagner8859 Жыл бұрын
No wonder JWs discourage members from going to college! A little critical thinking destroys so many of the JW silly beliefs...
@MismeretMonk 4 жыл бұрын
I've left JWs and Christianity for 10 years now. Strangely, it is very therapeutic to listen to videos like this.
@arthurdonehower6115 4 жыл бұрын
i find it hard to believe that some one could revert back to the world after being exposed to the truth.Really you support same sex marriage murder of help less babies earth wide pollution wars false religions lying politics ????
@Oliviabbeets 4 жыл бұрын
Arthur, are you kidding me? Have you seen and heard how cold and loveless your "anointed" elders sound? These are the men that "Jehovah" has chosen. If there is a God like Jehovah who will only protect and give his guidence to the JWs because the go the the meeting and go door knocking (although technically we all know U don't want to do that, we all know y all secretly want the householder to not be home) how can a God like that just be like, yep the go to meetings, that will do... Fuck no dude. I was a jw and my whole family still is, and my. "worldly" friends show me so much more love than my own family who is wjs. And the funny thing is, I never got babtized, yet they see me as scum simply because I didn't follow them like a sheep. I'm glad though, because leaving the JWs has taught me what true love for family and friends is. I have and always will talk to my family and show them unconditional love. I will show my worldly friends unconditional love. Surprisingly the JWs DO NOT show unconditional love.... And your telling me God approves of that behaviour?? You my friend are incredibly delusional. All you people think is, oh, they have left the JWs, they are all now drug addicts and worship the devil. You make anyone who leaves seem like they are all Satan worshippers. We have free will. We have a right to have our own thoughts about your religion. And yet, we are the ones who show unconditional love. Honestly, if God truly is how you imagine it, I'd rather die. But I know in my heart, that God can see MY heart. He knows my thoughts, and he knows more than your elders, or anybody in your cult, he knows 100% in my heart what sort of a person I am.
@peterjohnson1046 2 жыл бұрын
@@arthurdonehower6115 Arthur, and you can support the deaths of thousands of Witnesses from refusing blood on the strength of your leaders spurious/twisted logic interpretation of Acts 15 v 29? And then be stupid enough to swallow the totally none Biblical "blood fractions" teaching?
@TruthSpeaker. 2 жыл бұрын
@@arthurdonehower6115 You have no idea what people on the outside are like. Just because people don't follow a religion with literally no proof for it, doesn't mean we're all heartless. If anything, religion is what makes people heartless.. I personally was never a JW & I could never worship a self centered tyrant..
@zoez5327 4 жыл бұрын
We're Jehovah's Witnesses. We speak out in fearlessness. Ours is the god of hypocrisy. What he foretells won't come to be.
@sasukeuchiha8648 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@3un4j0 4 жыл бұрын
Sasuke Uchiha help bro I’m trying warn you don’t be fooled. ☢️ I’m in a cult? I’m a Jehovah’s Witness and i want to get out of this cult but my parents will be mad I’ve been grown up in the CULT.. i want to get out but.. they will be mad my parents.. can you help will god find me a way or for me to get saved? 😣 I wear my homemade cross I’m out the cult?
@Cdray24 4 жыл бұрын
@@3un4j0 wearing an idol on your neck does not make you out of a cult. How old are you. Do you live with your parents. You still have to honor your parents so GOd will give you long life.Pray and ask God to give you widsom. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide and direct you on how you should leave the JW cult. If you are under 18 with no where to live then wait. Wait until lyou get a job, go to school... that will get them. Apply to a college and get a scholarship. Government USA will help you with Schoool and place to live and food. that gives you 4 years to find a job and a place to live and other friends to get away from this cult and not be alone. Your parents will shunn you if they believe JW cult teachings. DO NOT GET BAPTIZED in the JW religion. Find a christian congregation that teaches the bible dedicate your life to Jesus Christ, He died for you on the cross. ask for forgiveness of your sins and he will forgive you repent and then do not go back to your sins. Listen to Christian music... be careful NOT jw music and not wordly christian music. you need discernment. Ask GOD for wisdom and discernment. He gave this all to me in a short period of time. READ READ READ your bible and NOT the JW junk books.that mind control you with lies in them and satanic images. throw away as many books as you can.
@n6T4 4 жыл бұрын
Good one 🤣
@theocheese6732 3 жыл бұрын
Well thanks for that trigger I'm just going to rock back and forth with ptsd for a while ahhahaha
@maryannlockwood7806 4 жыл бұрын
I always look forward to these. Then again I always look forward to any of Lloyd’s videos!🤷🏻♀️
@fiatluxkph 4 жыл бұрын
A better comparison to piñatas would be the JW position on yoga
@sazzy7899 4 жыл бұрын
Kevin Hall damn straight! And their view on henna!
@adelaidamartinez2033 3 жыл бұрын
Omgosh when I was studying with JWs and I found about yoga I was like “what in the world?” I studied along with my children for 4 yrs, then I did my own research and said NOPE!!!! And never again. It still affected me and my eldest, now trying to get all that out of his head.
@fiatluxkph 3 жыл бұрын
@@sazzy7899 They have a position on henna? Why am I not surprised?
@stephenbryant7873 3 жыл бұрын
I’m a frequent blood donor and it’s something I’m very happy to be able to do it to help others. I happen to have the only blood type that is safe for infants (O- and CMV-) and I often hear that my blood was used for one of them. That sure feels good!
@LivingEpicness1 Жыл бұрын
I once thought of donating. But got declined because of my epilepsy.
@micheleharris2730 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, of all the lists they keep, I would think they would want a list of the anointed. 😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇
@joytoyouandme4593 4 жыл бұрын
No list of the anointed, but they sure make sure to publish how many partook each year.
@kittylove2975 4 жыл бұрын
Regarding child baptism: Not to mention how extensive a child's vocabulary is...
@BeeMarzipan 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine a few years from now, a 1-year-old trying to say their first words. "Ba... ba..." *Tony Morris kicks the door down and storms into the house* "Do you mean BAPTISM? Because if you're ready to babble words, you must be ready to dedicate your life."
@petyrbaelish1718 4 жыл бұрын
I know a 4 year old girl who already talks about getting baptised and has asked her parents. Thankfully they themselves are reluctant to have her baptised at such a young age and are making her wait. Although I doubt they will make her wait long. Maybe until she is 10-11 years old at most. But it still goes to show the level of brainwashing and indoctrination on witnesses and specifically young kids. A 4 year old would only want to get baptised if they have had it drilled into their heads from the get-go. It's all they know. And at that age, they don't actually 'know' what they are saying.
@kittylove2975 4 жыл бұрын
@@BeeMarzipan : 😆 Great comment‼️ Thanks for the laugh ‼️
@marie-madeleineboudreau1383 4 жыл бұрын
Petyr Baelish 😧😟
@bryancooper5180 4 жыл бұрын
Great work on this vid!! Thank you Lloyd!
@LloydEvans 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly!
@Bruceylancer 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I left the JW religion before I watched a single "apostate" video exactly because of such contradictions! Especially the things about evolution. I came to the same conclusions myself, it's like we think in the exact same way. Guess it's just the way any rational person would think. And I didn't just leave in an instant, I tried to "save my faith" and discuss these matters with elders and friends, tried to find an answer, but to my surprise, they basically dismissed all of it. They were satisfied with absolutely unsatisfactory "explanations", everything basically boiled down to "goddidit": "oh, Jehovah just somehow made it possible with his holy spirit". It's like being in some kind of absurd theater, the problems are so obvious, yet no one seems to notice! This makes me so enraged, it's an insult to common sense!
@disassociated1731 4 жыл бұрын
i felt the same, but i guess at this time we just wanted to believe and to stay in our born in religion...some brothers studied at college with me, we sometimes spoke about it, mostly concluding that it is probably scientifically false, but not yet the time to dammage the weaks faith in insisting on that evident problems...later, when i was an elder
@disassociated1731 4 жыл бұрын
...when i was an elder but also a well known teacher i felt ashamed to support such fundamentalist theories...me the teacher who teached my students to be logical and rational :(((
@joanferguson4194 4 жыл бұрын
I tried the same route too before finally giving up trying to reason with these people. I was attacked on all sides by family and friends for leaving an abusive husband despite the scriptural caveat found at 1Cor. 8: 10, 11. The elders just glared at me when I pointed this out from their Bible and declared I, was “unfit association” anyway. This led to a rather intensive period of research into the religion where I found multiple examples of the org justifying all kinds of things just because they said so. I discovered in one fell swoop that they only use scriptures when it suits them and blatantly ignore scriptures that don’t support their BS. Trying to discuss matters with elders or your JW family and friends is just impossible because of the Borg installed firewall that has in fact hijacked common sense and common decency. I recently had an hour long discussion over the phone with a JW woman I knew decades ago that was quite chilling. It was like trying to argue with “Dial a Prayer”, that one time thing you could access on the phone if you felt the need of spiritual encouragement. Nothing I said penetrated the fog of spiritual warfare. I didn’t let it get to me because my whole idea was to see if this woman had progressed even an inch from the dogmatic minion she once was. Nope. Yes it is infuriating, but my feeling now is have at it, arguing even politely just produces a plate of spaghetti where one strand leads to another one and it’s endless.
@Fat_Tony 2 жыл бұрын
Same for me, I left 10 years ago and went through the same process. I only discovered Lloyd recently, it's nice to see others who think rationally.
@nallelilawrence1169 4 жыл бұрын
I’m from Mexico, and at least in my upbringing you would not dare to look at a piñata it would be as sinful as worshiping the devil! As a child growing up restricted and kept away from birthdays, all sorts of parties you can’t help but feeling so mad at the hypocrisy 😡
@nesbo7578 4 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to this!
@KA-pd2oq 4 жыл бұрын
Lloyd, I wholeheartedly thank you for this! My friend’s 14 year old son is about to be baptized and she’s heartbroken. I’m using some of these watchtower articles, along with one from another one of your videos, to reason with his dad about this. And him. As we all know we can’t force anyone to wake up, but I continue to appreciate all the long hours and research and care that goes into each and every one of your videos! All being directly from their own propaganda speaks volumes much more than someone in an emotional state blurting out “it’s all lies!” Thank you!! You’ve been such a blessing over the years in so many ways exposing the organization for who they really are. It’s upsetting to hear but then liberating!! Freedom!!
@glorialeach7301 4 жыл бұрын
Your videos are always so clear and so Spot On. I enjoy all of them. I’m 73, been an X for approximately 30 years, and watching your videos have helped me realize how very sane I have been. Even as a child, I had a lot of doubts and questions but of corse, I never voiced either. Thank you for what you do. 🥰
@marie-madeleineboudreau1383 4 жыл бұрын
Im sooooo happy to have woken up, its my daughter that told me about your utub and since been following you, great job, thank you 😁👍
@AWW8472 4 жыл бұрын
For legalistic consistency, the Watchtower should be telling it's followers not to live in homes with fireplaces mantles, because heathens would put household idols on the fireplaces. For that matter, they should not fireplaces because fire worshippers used them as shrines. Not candles, not knives, nor statues of any kind.
@Tomsnothere295 11 ай бұрын
Lol
@marie-madeleineboudreau1383 4 жыл бұрын
Soooo happy i have wokened, thanks to my daughter.....she intreduced me to your video, been listenning since, thank you for the researched and great work!!!! 👍
@LloydEvans 4 жыл бұрын
You are so welcome! Congratulations on finding your freedom! :)
@swwagner1 4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about wedding traditions we had to avoid. Clinking of glasses and how you looked so stupid not joining in! No one even knows what it means but we have to avoid it? But you can do it for piñatas? What is it with Mexico? Thinking of how they could own a political card I think? vs The brothers in Africa having to become martyrs?
@lisajane4330 4 жыл бұрын
I know! Theres no consistancy, i married a non JW & we couldnt clink glasses in respect of the witnesses who attended, its ludicrous.
@sasukeuchiha8648 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's what we call the Mexico-Malawi Scandal
@nicoletitov5612 4 жыл бұрын
They believe it has something to do with demons and with a little research you can find out that it actually doesn't and the demon part came in way much later in history and was just a false believe. But they don't really question stuff so why bother?
@kathrynossoff9524 4 жыл бұрын
Oh that explains a lot. My JWs brother and sister in-law do drink alcohol, I am a non drinker myself. But at a recent family member's wedding they were setting across the table from us. When a toast was giving to the bride and groom they did raise their glasses or drink the wine. I did toast out of politeness even though I hated the taste. I was very cufused why my brother and sister in-law who I have seen drinking quite a bit was not toasting the bride and groom.
@celialehannehollon8567 3 жыл бұрын
It's entirely arbitrary.
@lynneetetz 4 жыл бұрын
The split second I see/hear Tony M., I get a visceral reaction of nausea. Unbelievably self righteous and condescending and toxic. If you are reading this Tony, I'm sorry to be so blunt, but your manner of presenting your "faith" is all so opposite of how the Bible says to be. I am so done with the Jehovah's Witnesses......
@loveandjoy810 3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was only me that they discouraged from going to college. I knew something was wrong when they told me that I would be wasting my time in college when Jehovah wold be returning any day. That was 24 years ago and I have a masters degree. I am no longer a JW.
@grandejohn4969 2 жыл бұрын
@Greg LeJacques lmaoo 💀
@Mim-mg3rk 4 жыл бұрын
I was born in a JW family, and my birthday is on Halloween. I think it can't get worse than that xD
@debibrown9328 4 жыл бұрын
Had a friend born on xmas...
@davidfernandoalavamaya3176 4 жыл бұрын
Well if You have your birthday on a regular date you will feel embarrased and desapointed on your birthday and on Halloween so it is not so Bad.
@meghansullivan6812 4 жыл бұрын
scorpiooooooooooo
@ms.anonymousinformer242 3 жыл бұрын
How is it worse when we should not be celebrating holidays AND birthdays ,anyway. So what that it is on a pagan holiday. That doesn't make you any part of it, unless you choose to make it that way.
@PrettyLeafy 4 жыл бұрын
This is hands down my favorite video you've made! Thank you Lloyd for all you do it is truly appreciated!
@LloydEvans 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you!
@romelmurdock4187 4 жыл бұрын
Food at the proper time! Yesss
@barryroberts7159 4 жыл бұрын
When I was a JW I asked the elders about the fossil record. The answer: don't go down that route its border line apostasy.
@Maverick25ish 4 жыл бұрын
Only JW's are arrogant enough to deny the fossil record, how can you deny something you can see happening throughout history, im 35 and man ive seen evolution happen before my very eyes
@arthurdonehower6115 4 жыл бұрын
He told you correctly
@Abbandoneer 4 жыл бұрын
@@spellbound111 Mutations are evolution. Viruses mutating and changing are evolution. Literally, we have a virus right now across the whole planet, that mutated to transmit from bats/pangolins to humans. And you say you don't see any evolution happening?
@ms.anonymousinformer242 3 жыл бұрын
@@Maverick25ish Not true. There are non jw people who suspect fossils are a hoax. Im not one of them, just saying there are others who beleive that.
@Maverick25ish 3 жыл бұрын
@@ms.anonymousinformer242 Of course the are Non JW out there that don't believe evolution or the fossil record....
@wylolister3218 4 жыл бұрын
"Old enough to drive, old enough to get baptized!" How old was Jesus when he got baptized?
@Linda-ux8un 4 жыл бұрын
Its not Scriptural.There is not one example of a young child being baptised in all of the Christian Greek Scriptures..
@Geohovahs_Hand 4 жыл бұрын
30
@joytoyouandme4593 4 жыл бұрын
I could hear Tony Tight Pants saying, well then Jesus got baptized before he got his drivers license.
@Cjnw 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus owned a Honda Accord (John 12:49) 🤣😂✝|
@tonyanthony7508 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your channel. I’m married to a JW I started to go to the meetings because at the beginning some of the stuff seemed to make sense. Then they told me I had to do field service. I said I didn’t want to. My brother-law told me he didn’t want to associate with me if I didn’t (which he later denied) when I asked why I had to do the field service, if it doesn’t say I have to in the Bible, my sister-law yelled at me and said,” because the ORGANIZATION says we gave to!”, she added I needed to do some research. I DID. I subscribed to your channel and watched your videos. When I confronted them with questions about some of your subjects they always had excuses and when I further pushed them they got very nasty. My brother and sister-in law no longer speak to me. When I bring up any question to my wife she gets all upset. I watched your recent video about the 10 contradictions and I confronted one of the elders with the Sauls army thing about the blood law and he said they didn’t violate the law. I also told him about the governing body paying their witness through law school, he said they don’t do that any more. Please give me one big, indisputable thing I can hit them with that will leave them speechless and they can’t comeback with any excuse and will really rattle them. Your the best Thank you.
@sarahclare5745 2 жыл бұрын
I've got one! Allowing family members to die rather than give a blood transfusion. Abraham was asked to offer up Issac as a sacrifice....but God stopped him from killing him!!!
@katiev1391 4 жыл бұрын
So good.. really makes you analyze and also simple use of common sense in all of this. Very greatly put together 👏🏻
@Bazzen 4 жыл бұрын
You're doing the "lords" work here! 😂 Your videos are helping my sister, and now my sister in-law to wake up. Making things more clear! Helping me for years! Thank you so much, Lloyd! And I would love to see you grow that beard longer, man! Love from Denmark
@jonathanvreeland8344 4 жыл бұрын
If they really want to be accurate, Christmas and birthdays and similar celebrations have their origins much further back in history than Christ. The actual original belief systems that spawned these celebrations are well and truly gone as active religions, so I guess all bets are off. Believing that the current diversity of species etc came from the severely limited number of propagating pairs on the boat (Noah's Ark) is patently ridiculous. They want to use the science differentiating species and kind yet will not admit to the mechanism of evolution being required to do what they say happened. Looking at the Governing Body as a representative of the anointed, it seems that mental or emotional instability is a prerequisite. These contradictions alone are enough to refute the veracity of the teachings of the Watchtower organization, yet there are many many more of them. After all, 10% wrong means 100% wrong.
@JamesEzell 4 жыл бұрын
I remember the talk on theocratic warfare. I had the same feeling at the time. This was the beginning of the end for me.
@peterb0915 3 жыл бұрын
I was baptized in 1970 at the age of 9. I remember the elders trying to discourage me, to the extent that a Circuit Overseer met with me. I went through with my baptism, only to be disfellowshipped 11 years later. Ah, the good old days lol.
@mariendal1962 4 жыл бұрын
When you are 6 to even 20-30 years old, you simply haven´t got enough life experience to decide what you want to do with the rest of your life. We all change our mind about many things, especially if we have an open and investigating mind. Before i left JW 35 years ago, i saw several young witnesses being expelled and lost all contact to their families and their social network. And it´s the same sad story today.
@Oliviabbeets 4 жыл бұрын
Lloyd I know what you mean about getting all emotional. I struggle talking to my family about this, they think I get angry and disrespectful, but it's just how emotional I get because I want to tell them everything and make them realise how culty this religion is and that's why I get so emotional. They just can't see that. So sad.
@ms.anonymousinformer242 3 жыл бұрын
This is exactly how it feels being around the zombies wearing their masks.
@jimkidd6334 3 жыл бұрын
It was amazing to listen to I was a witness for 60 years I have 7children plus I myself have had open heart surgeries and I was prepared to die rather than disobey what I thought was God's regards to blood I carried the blood card so did my wife and children thanku true God and thanku Lloyd I am so thankful we survived being in that cult I been awake almost 4 years I hope one day to find a way to tell my whole story just so maybe someone can benefit from hearing it
@pulepebane5679 4 жыл бұрын
I used to be a pioneer, now I'm a pothead artist. Lol to think that I once wanted to go to Bethel. Keep up your good work.
@victoriagolmehdi8506 4 жыл бұрын
I think you are probably going to be the person who takes the watchtower down. Keep it up Lloyd, there so many of us out here who appreciate the way in which you reason on what we were taught, without resorting to rudeness.
@kendrabond7647 4 жыл бұрын
There will be thousands of women being disfellowshipped then!! Just shows how utterly ridiculous their teachings are.
@deevamya1179 4 жыл бұрын
Yes You are right that statement of the GB that there are no miracles today needed or going on because personally I have seen a number of miracles over my time and so know that there are miracles today I won't go into these but they do happen, as for child baptisms I agree Jesus said go in making disciples teaching and baptizing them, that to me is not a 6 year old as you said,still there are more issues that came with the change of beast, that's for sure
@hindsightpov4218 4 жыл бұрын
Having fun with piñatas is called into question with Jehovah’s Witnesses? I really think they have an aversion to having any form of fun and enjoying their life. Experiencing happiness triggers the thought that it’ll somehow offend Jehovah. Such a cult mentality.
@rationaltrekker2509 4 жыл бұрын
I came from Anglican and then Eastern Orthodox background and I have a theological degree, though I'm not now religious. My understanding of "free will" is somewhat different, though problem you discuss is still there. I would just call it something a little different. Free will, as I understand it, is that we are not made to be automatons, or puppets. We are *capable* of making independent choices and they are not pre-programmed. This does not solve the problem of whether we are really given a legitimate choice when it comes to how we lead our lives. In the Orthodox understanding, hell is natural consequence of disconnecting oneself from God, more than it is a judicial punishment. While that understanding was far more appealing to me than others I had heard, it didn't occur to me that the natural consequences arises from a problem God himself created: the Fall. God planted the tree - and it was an "attractive nuisance" to use legalese. Of course a young (newly created, according to the story) person would be curious! You don't put something dangerous out where kids might get hurt by it just by exploring it. And of course, there's also the question of how Adam and Eve would know that disobeying God was bad before the Fall, is yet another question… for another day.
@vaughnwoss4990 4 жыл бұрын
Hope it'll be of great benefits to two circuit overseers I forwarded this video to. Great thanks Lloyd.
@NickPenlee 4 жыл бұрын
Do you really believe that two C.O.'s will be willing to give up their 'positions of power' when faced with Lloyd's irrefutable case presentation? No way! Ask them, as a token of goodwill, to shun their mothers for breast-feeding them. You'll never find a C.O.willing to publicly validate the arguments in this video. Don't delude yourself! it isn't going to happen.
@steveraphael6307 4 жыл бұрын
I do this kind of thing too, the first couple of times I suppose they were opened by accident , now I can tell my postings are no longer even opened HOWEVER.....I will not stop compelling these people to conftont the lunacy of their preachings at every opportunity. The damage the cause warrants no less. Keep up the good work.
@vaughnwoss4990 4 жыл бұрын
@@NickPenlee After my recent chat with a special pioneer recently, I had no choice other than conclude.. WT Organisation's reputation is in tatters even among its trusted cult salesmen.
@NickPenlee 4 жыл бұрын
@@vaughnwoss4990 Someone 'in the know' told me to give the W/T 3-5 years and it'll be gone.
@vaughnwoss4990 4 жыл бұрын
@@NickPenlee Sure indeed!
@amandaklanseck6656 4 жыл бұрын
Trust me, as an ex JW, there is always going to be someone who gets offended so they can look like they are soooo spiritual. All it does is turn something insignificant into a huge issue
@jah97302 4 жыл бұрын
Good job. One of the better and more complete reviews of Watchtower teachings that I have ever been exposed since leaving the 'tower decades ago. Your reasoning is impeccable and substantial. I urge everyone to share this video with their ex-JW and potential JW friends in order to put everything the Watchtower teaches into proper perspective.
@LloydEvans 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much John! It's always a pleasure to see a dear old friend among the comments! ;)
@MsHildur90 3 жыл бұрын
I had a break from this channel, to get away from serious content for a while, and now just started watching you channel again! Glad there is so many new videos I can watch =D
@paigelundie6965 4 жыл бұрын
(37:24) Whenever you say you're getting emotional you literally seem completely composed, I feel like a heated argument with you would feel like fist-fighting a soft pillow yet still losing haha. Truly goes to show how much of a level-headed and nice guy you are, even if you feel emotional, you definitely still come across as completely composed, rational, as objective as possible and articulate in your argument.
@O5AXD 4 жыл бұрын
He will cuddle you with harmless soft anger
@MrSatchmo79 4 жыл бұрын
Great videos. I found it interesting that they changed Exodus 34:14 in their new Bible from 'God is a jealous God' to 'he requires exclusive devotion" That may seem innocuous until you read these three scriptures. "God is Love" (1John 4:8) "Love is not jealous" (1 co 13:4-7) "he is a jealous God. (Exodus 34:14) talk about contradiction. They seem to have been self-conscious about that one.
@birdiebear1500 4 жыл бұрын
Woah😵 I love your comment
@gctcauto 4 жыл бұрын
It's interesting that they are actively seeking out and hiding contradictions in the Bible, while everyone else is saying that they don't exist and using apologetics to excuse them away.
@cindyarnold8165 4 жыл бұрын
All great points, it's ok to be emotional from time to time. It shows how passionate you are about your work.
@jiggyone868 4 жыл бұрын
Your videos are fact based. I like the fact that you always let your viewers reach the conclusion. Thank you Lloyd.
@walkerd0156 3 жыл бұрын
How did the kiwi bird of New Zealand get here after Noah's flood when it's a flightless native bird?
@meerutpat 3 жыл бұрын
I think many people become JW's because they are lonely and find that the friendship they get when attending meetings and invitations to others homes are a great attraction. I found that I went from a few friends to a large amount of people who seemed very interested in me. Many stay because of this friendship that they do not want to give up.
@cygnustsp 4 жыл бұрын
Rutherford just wanted to make his religion as different as possible, and knorr and Franz expanded it to establish their publishing empire. That's why the jws aren't allowed to accept normal stuff. It's literally a rebellion and it makes them feel good. And they'll get to live forever because of it. Ok everyone knows this but my family was jw and it still angers me to some extent.
@ms.anonymousinformer242 3 жыл бұрын
No when you know your history , those pagan roots go against what the bible says.
@cygnustsp 3 жыл бұрын
@@ms.anonymousinformer242 who cares what the bible says
@Episcopalianacolyte 2 жыл бұрын
@@ms.anonymousinformer242 even pagans believe in the concept of GOD. Does that make the belief in GOD pagan? The use of a building for worship comes from pagans as well. With your reasoning, Kingdoms halls and church buildings are pagan. Be careful how you throw around pagan.
@udstodt 4 жыл бұрын
Yet another fantastic video Lloyd! 👍 Thank you!
@rikmik3046 4 жыл бұрын
That first one could be said the same thing about the YMCA.
@BeeMarzipan 4 жыл бұрын
That clip of Tony Morris sickens me. I loathe that man, I am so glad that I DIDN'T give in to peer pressure and baptized, I still have my family, and why? Because I didn't listen to the likes of you.
@theocheese6732 3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully my pomi brother watches this today hes yet to realise that he was bought up in a cult and always refers back to the teachings. Thanks for all u do making the videos. Your fair and factual
@shonaford9032 4 жыл бұрын
So many lies and manipulations from this corporation. Concise and well presented 👌
@jiggyone868 4 жыл бұрын
Since watchtower claims that piṅata is acceptable and based on individual conscience since it no longer holds any religious significance, I would want to ask the Watchtower, why then does that same principle not apply to toasting with a glass of wine. What religious significance does clinking glasses in a toast have today?
@nicoletitov5612 4 жыл бұрын
It actually never started with a religious believe. The religious believe came much later in history. But still, it is a very good question.
@JCalculator 3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit Lloyd, you got me with the first contradiction LMAO, thanks for giving me more material in my journey of leaving crumbs for my family so they can wake up.
@rodero79 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Lloyd ! Just to say you are SO brilliant in your videos. Your arguments, research and explanations are awesome, deep and touching many times. Besides that, I am from Spain and you speak the most perfect and clear english I have ever heard, so I use your videos to learn and improve mine :). Keep it up Lloyd and thank you VERY much for your great job! Un fuerte abrazo!!
@ButerWarrior44 4 жыл бұрын
4:34 20:00 22:30 25:45 32:40 36:43 39:24 41:08 50:05
@mylife-23 4 жыл бұрын
So, I'm allowed to lie to my mom now because I'm 18 n a grownup and have the right of privacy. Still can't wait till I leave home n the JW's. I rly wanna taste freedom.
@charlesomalley9564 4 жыл бұрын
I know you're not asking for advice, but here's some things I wish I would have considered when I left at your age. Freedom tastes great, just don't taste too much of it! It's easy to over do it and go off the deep end. Use good judgement about the people you hang out with. Be perceptive and look out for yourself. Work hard and get an education in STEM or even better, learn a trade. Don't use hard drugs because you're not going to get a restored body in paradise Good luck and enjoy your freedom when you escape!
@mylife-23 4 жыл бұрын
@@charlesomalley9564 listen. I've been preparing for it since elementary school. I only have two friends that are JW's. All the others are a mixing bowl. And they're good people. I'm not dumb either. You can't assume that everyone longing for freedom doesn't know anything.
@charlesomalley9564 4 жыл бұрын
@@mylife-23 I didn't assume anything. No need to be so offended! Again, Good luck with your escape!
@Sharkor.2023 4 жыл бұрын
Tie the drawstrings on your pants up tight, my friend, because you're going to be shocked left and right about how kind "the world" can be!
@mylife-23 4 жыл бұрын
@@Sharkor.2023 I know it's a harsh place. 😒 Why does everyone think I'm dumb.
@psychologistrachel1037 4 жыл бұрын
Spot on, as usual. Thanks, Lloyd!
@1chadmon 4 жыл бұрын
So well done!!! Thank you Lloyd.
@southernbawselady7092 4 жыл бұрын
I'll be there!...Save me a front row seat! 😆
@Geohovahs_Hand 4 жыл бұрын
With billions of lives on the line and mankind's ability to properly document them, Jehovah decides that really compelling evidence, such as visits from angels and miracles, are off limits. Is this the action of a God that truly desires everyone to be saved?
@robhopwood8809 4 жыл бұрын
Watertight reasoning, as usual. Excellent. Thanks.
@coreyanderson1457 4 жыл бұрын
Well, if pinatas are considered okay, then why wouldn't the pagan holidays be as well? Afterall, many people consider that to be harmless, too. I think that it has more to do with not losing converts rather than sticking to the rules. By the way, what's the point of JWs worrying about it at all, since JWs aren't allowed to even have birthday parties, for example? Doesn't make sense to me. Because if a person is going to obey God, there can't be this pick and choose approach. It's OBEY, or not obey. It really bothers me when people misapply scripture. I am a new Christian. And I decided to read the Bible myself, and not look through any religious lens. And, I have found that there is NO religion that actually does follow or practice, or teach, what the Bible actually says 100%. That, most human beings follow their own doctrines, NOT Biblical doctrines. As far as the blood abstinence goes, I don't even want to get started on how strongly I feel about that!
@lisajane4330 4 жыл бұрын
Yes and Engagement Parties, Wedding anniversaries, Hens nights, Baby showers are quite acceptable 🤷♀️ no consistancy. Pretty sad for those that never marry or have children.
@marcotpm5234 3 жыл бұрын
Hi John, I am educating my self to WAKE UP my family , thank you for the information , it is help me a lot 👍
@saulgoodman505 4 жыл бұрын
Great , reminder set
@markr7018 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you John! Never thought of the prodigal son parable like that. Much appreciated sir 👏
@LloydEvans 4 жыл бұрын
Very welcome :)
@yisel-yaaz5689 4 жыл бұрын
My, My how things have really changed since I was a witness. I was in the org when using technology was a no no.
@Maverick25ish 4 жыл бұрын
Yes same here! i remember a talk around 1999 about the internet, the elders said remember its called a WEB! dont get caught up in it, yet now they use ZOOM and JW broadcasting and using tablets and apps etc, lol funny group of people
@O5AXD 4 жыл бұрын
@riggerrinnie in my region they even used KZfaq streaming to stream meetings
@meatwadXL 4 жыл бұрын
Like the time I was part of a demonstration about how we couldn't watch music videos. Now here they are making music videos. 🤣
@msr6363 4 жыл бұрын
Lloyd.... this is such a wonderful and respectful video. I love that you speak from love, logic , and compassion. I was always told about the prodigal son (hence the reason I am still shunned). But never really realized as you stated that his father did not even know the intent of his son but he ran to him out if genuine love. That meant so much to realize as I keep battling with myself on this. I have been free 6 years and overall happy but the shunning from my daughter and them convincing her to have never allowed my grandchildren to know me hurts like nothing else I have experienced. I am also a nurse and funny thing is I knew about the clostridium and WBC because we are taught about the immunity the infant receives from their mothers which has so much to do with breastfeeding but never correlated it with "abstaining from blood" I for one being in healthcare never accepted nor supported that doctrine but of course kept that to myself. I also knew and cared for a few witnesses whom under diress and fear of death of them or their loved ones accepted blood.. I never held that against them nor judged because had it been me I would have chosen the same. I treated them with comfort and love while they had to make a decision they perceived as being against "their faith". Lastly, I was always asked to volunteer/ "work" for free at the first aid during conventions..... had I not went to a college and obtained a higher education who would they have? Well done all the way around. I would share but they refuse to listen. Smh
@msr6363 4 жыл бұрын
Typo colostrum.😂🙃 auto spell can really mess you up!
@aleciasweetheart 3 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid, I remember another child got baptized at 5 years old. She was a really bright child so she came off very confident and composed. I have no idea where she is now or what she is doing.
@jonathanhankins8356 3 жыл бұрын
Apparently wedding rings have lost their pagan associations as well...
@patspringleaf8825 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Noah was a Time Lord and the ark was his Tardis. Explains how he was able to fit all the species into the ark in the limited time he had.
@gctcauto 4 жыл бұрын
Kinds not species. They have to evol..... I mean diversify into species.
@ninajohnson5981 4 жыл бұрын
In the 90's I remember a young 11-year-old getting baptised. I remember my mum saying: "Oh she's too young, she's just a baby." They had her on the platform at a convention as an example as she was doing pioneer hours even before she was baptised and riding her bike to the groups if her parents couldn't get her there
@charmainemarino4151 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a little late watching this but wow! Loving this one!
@stefami6138 4 жыл бұрын
With us, in France an 8 year old girl was put forward and congratulated during an assembly in Paris, because she was performing the permanent pioneer service. Unbelievable !!
@LloydEvans 4 жыл бұрын
Appalling!
@jaimecruz9618 4 жыл бұрын
greetings from brazil, keep on the good work
@michaelwagner8859 Жыл бұрын
A great demonstration, Lloyd, of what a little critical thought can do to contradictory cult beliefs untethered to reality - well done!
@amargicois 3 жыл бұрын
FROM WIKIPEDIA: Free will is the ability to choose between different possible courses of action unimpeded. Free will is closely linked to the concepts of moral responsibility, praise, guilt, sin, and other judgements which apply only to actions that are freely chosen.
@soul4saken 7 ай бұрын
When I was one of Jehovah's witnesses, I was taught that our unapologetic use of God's name in reference to ourselves was an honouric of God and a literal fulfilment scriptures that noted God's people preaching in his name. Recently, two people came to my door to preach and were going through their speil, when I noticed that they seemed very JW-ish except for a strange intent to seemingly hide who they were. They referred to themselves as Christians only, not using Gods name, and their tracts were rather non-denominational without obvious reference to Jehovah. But, I couldn't stop noting a very JW quality about them, having been one myself. They directed the conversation from the start in that very sales representative manner I was familiar with. So as not to allow a place for me to close off the flow of the conversation. At one point my curiosity was so peaked at my suspicion of who they were that I had to stop them to ask if they were JWs. They shared a quick glance at each other before confirming my suspicions. I was very interested in what appeared to be a new tactic of playing down God's name, almost as if acknowledging a reticence of peole to the JW brand. I thought it ironic that a people who interpret preaching in God's name is a literal fulfillment of scripture, would decide to now suppress that name in actuality.
@avakroman2079 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Every subject that you covered made so much sense,that I can`t understand how JWs can see it clearly.
@LloydEvans 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@lynndavinci4753 4 жыл бұрын
As an atheist who celebrates Christmas, I’d definitely say it’s more of a secular thing at this point, however I don’t believe it’s lost all religious context. There are a lot of people who still celebrate Christmas in a non secular way.
@jessiehermit9503 4 жыл бұрын
But what about King Ahab? "God" lied to get him killed.
@O5AXD 4 жыл бұрын
Can you elaborate cause I don't remember that story and it would be useful cause tommorow I will speak with an elder
@jessiehermit9503 4 жыл бұрын
@@O5AXD 1 Kings 22. Just look up "God kills Ahab."
@jessiehermit9503 4 жыл бұрын
@@O5AXD Google it if you must.
@decklinerbeats6342 3 жыл бұрын
I'm from Africa ,my brother and two sisters are 😳they tried but I said this life is enough for me I don't need another one
@morpheus5302 3 жыл бұрын
Good luck buddy, JWs have much confidence in their growth un Africa, mostly due to poverty and lack of education but I know Africa is better than that and will shine in the coming years, it is already starting to do so in some countries. Just beware of flawed ideologies like socialism and totalitarist governments like communism.
@ruthephoenix22 4 жыл бұрын
It's mad that Noah had the brains to build an ark when he couldn't even count animals. Fair play, "roughly this many give or take" Noah.
@joanmoss7970 2 жыл бұрын
Thank ful for you Lloyd
@Geohovahs_Hand 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't even accept the global flood teaching when I was a believing witness. The story just did not hold water.
@ShoNuffSoulBro1 4 жыл бұрын
Moses_Freebird : Greetings from Los Pollos Hermanos 😉
@carlisroy6666 4 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there!
@Geohovahs_Hand 4 жыл бұрын
@@ShoNuffSoulBro1 Thanks bro. I got the profile pic off an apostate created memorial invitation (2013 memorial) featuring Walter White in place of Jesus. With the words: One Man Died for all: Who is this man? How does his death help us? Why is it important that we say his name?
@tekknokat 3 жыл бұрын
I recall when going to Kingdom Hall meetings with my mother between 1974 and 1985 (I was ages 5 to 15), it was a matter of pride to her that the JWs would NEVER baptise children, that's what set them apart from the Catholics and other Christendom Churches, was that THEY baptised children, but JWs would only baptise a fully developed emotionally, physically, and spiritually ADULT who could make an adult decision about their devotion to Jehovah. The JW religion that exists in 2021 is not the JW religion that existed in the 1960s to 1980s, not only in small functional ways, but in extreme theocratic teachings that are fundamentally what made them the unique cult that set them apart from mainstream Christianity. They are just day-traders collecting bitcoin behind a website, it's hilarious.
@hannah9371 Жыл бұрын
The contradiction about the blood issue and how you broke that down about babies receiving white blood cells through breast milk really woke me up to how nonsensical the doctrine is. WOW.
@coreyanderson1457 3 жыл бұрын
At 43 minutes in, when you talk about how they practice shunning, and what the Bible says about it, I was thinking that too. I have been studying the Bible and I noticed that same thing. Also, the blood cells that are in meat, which they do not abstain from, yet a transfusion is prohibited. Seems like their own selection process of which rules they will impose and when, is done arbitrarily.
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