Do you think of Bashir and Miles o''brien rebuilding of a spore drive from section 31 Sloane brain?

In the first TNG episode Picard says something about Riker being able to Reattach his the last ship he served on Saucer section . If memory serves Riker last Assignment was a Excelsior class . It would seam that by the 24 th century the Excelsior class could Reattach it’s own Saucer section

Galaxy-class photon torpedo tube can fire five torpedos per volley or in continuous rapid-fire mode. You can't compare Excelsior class's torpedo tube to Galaxy class's torpedo tube when the launch rate is different.

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@@haroldchase1881 I have heard that he did that on a previous ship. I'm not sure if it was in the episode, it may have been in a novelisation.

I agree. The Sovereign is basically a 24th century Excelsior descendant. Constitution spawned Miranda and Excelsior offshoots. Miranda descended to Nebula and similar designs. Excelsior descended to Sovereign and possibly some earlier unnamed classes. Constitution obviously directly descended to Ambassador and Galaxy, as well as a number of lesser known classes. The 4-nacelle ships like the Constellation may also have had their roots in the Miranda design.

You're not seeing things. John Eaves has specifically said that he was advancing the Excelsior class lineage with the Sovereign instead of the Galaxy.

Galaxy class looks like they strapped engines on a convention center.

It's a combination of both.

I still run one of these as my flagship in Star Trek Online.

Oh MY!

True, I heard the same, long time ago but it was from the official dudes who designed it

Also, in reference to the cutaway, it is utterly impossible for the Enterprise-B and other Excelsiors to have 34 decks, unless each is like, 4 foot high. Only if it was around 700 meters long would they be full sized. 24, on the other hand, fits nicely.

But then the irony was, they damaged the original model when trying to remove those fins.

I don’t think they actually damaged the original. I think they realized they would before any damage was done.

They never removed the 1701-B addons. That's why the Lakota is of the 'B' subtype. They filmed it with the addons, just changed the name decals. When the filming model was sold, it still have the Lakota name and the 'B' addons.

Yeah, that was just a baffling error.... like... where does he think the seperation plane for the saucer is that those impulse engines would stay with the engineering hull?

I have seen some CGI artwork floating around online where they had an Ent-B style Excelsior saucer separating where the impulse section stayed attached to the neck and engineering section. Maybe that's where he got it. Looks really bizarre though, and makes no sense given there's no separations points visible on the top of the saucer to support that kind of breakaway.

Glad somebody caught it. These kinds of videos always seem to fumble the ball hard with basic audio or visual information somewhere along the line that stands in stark contrast with the in-depth technical info that was otherwise gathered.

But it must be true somehow or the stardrive would have no impulse engines after separation nor aux power. Maybe the bridge stays with the stardrive section and there's a battle bridge in the saucer? 😆

@@michaelcroff7097 OK, one , more , time... The saucer is a sub-light 'lifeboat' with Impulse engines, one small Hangar Deck bay, and is (in theory) able to land in an atmosphere. Without a Warp-Core, it cannot re-arm + fire Photon Torps, but it could launch those previously armed and 'held-the-Tube'. It cannot go-to Warp speed, but does retain 50% Shields. It has most=of the Ships Transporters for crew evac/supply shipping. It contains the MAIN BRIDGE, the one IN THE CENTER OF THE DISK, (which, BTW, is "WHY" a Saucer was chosen as Form; You can GET TO & FROM most ship Sections Quickly by going Thru the Center. Doh... The Engineering Section has the WARP CORE and Nacelles, NO IMPULSE DRIVE, but a 'Battle Bridge', Main Shuttle Bay, a Photon Launcher both Fore & Aft, and 1/3rd of the Phasers, most able to fire in a planar 360* with a conical 120* arc. This section also has a Cargo transporter station, and at-least two other 'light-duty transporters. IT is NOT able to Land in an atmosphere, and can only handle 1/3rd of the total Crew. IT IS NOT the 'Life-boat' but, it can FIGHT until it's warp drive is Toast. It has 75% of the Shield capacity at separation, but, since 'something' will likely be damaged by then, expect only 50% of normal shielding. Use your Shuttles if needed for transport evac if you've lost Transporter capacity. Shuttles can also use tractor-beams to stabilize a near-approach Orbit if needed, since you've no Impulse Drive to maneuver with.

you appear to be sitting on my bridge🤣🤣

"Target that explosion and fire" My fav.

Why not the B? It's been to long since we had a good Enterprise centered show.. looking forward to "Strange New Worlds"!!👍🖖

Isn't that the USS Repulse? Or am I wrong.

Nah that'd be the Miranda class

@@Mrterran no 1701 is Enterprise exclusive.

@@landenherteux2350 sister implies the same class and construction date

The engineering section also has to have in both engines or once or saucer separation the battle section is now inoperable because it can only go into warp

you see you see if the rainbows are pretty and the ships saying full power available but your not moving when you give the order to go you know somethings broken badly on your ship🤣🤣

Or maybe they were flying horizontally but that section of the ship has wonky gravity.

NOPE. it clearly says DECK. i just accept is as more crappy writing.

If Discovery can have a turbolift world bigger inside than the entire ship (bigger on the inside like a Tardis), I guess the Enterprise A can have a 75 deck interdimensional turboshaft too....

@@76TomD 31st century Federation certainly has that technology (subspace manifold or whatever you want to call it). Kirk and co. may have obtained it in one of their adventures?

I've been head-canoning it that way myself for decades. My other head-canon tidbit is that the TNG warp scale is different precisely because it's a transwarp scale now, hence a reason for the warp scale to change that makes sense.

My own idea is that Star Fleet just used the new name to distinguish between the old Constitution Class Refitted updated warp drive with the newest, faster warp drive in the Excelsior. The biggest difference besides being faster is that it had its own computer core: hence Scotty "borrowing" those parts from it to disable the Excelsior. Older ships just had one central computer core, not a separate one for the warp drive - which may make sense, given the tech of that time, the new warp drive needing a single purpose computer core to control it. The other reason of course could have been shear publicity - the Klingons and the Romulans may wonder what this new type of drive is that Star Fleet had come up with. And then be worried enough not to go to war with them if they had some type of faster, unknown drive, rather than just an updated warp drive.

@@krisgonynor689 I could see that as well. Prior to the refit, warp cores were more boxy things, and then after the refit we see this tall perpendicular multi-deck approach that becomes the new norm

That's how I've always seen it, transwarp drive is just the Next Generation warp tech on it's prototype vessel and became the new warp scale once it became normal. Like how High Definition has been used at multiple levels of resolutions. Also explains why the Excelsior is still in use in TNG era, literally the backbone of the fleet as every following ship is based on it's systems.

Trans- is a Latin prefix meaning "across", "beyond", or "on the other side of". to me, "on the other side of" is what ever the current warp limit is. So in the movies, the transwarp warp barrier would we what the current warp speed limitations would be. When the scale changes, and puts warp 10 at the very top, the new barrier, or transwarp, became what we see in Voyager.

Great info

Until Worf was ordered to fire a spread and only one comes out. Lol

@@GenerationFilms Star Trek ships USS Vengeance Class, USS Excelsior Class, USS Excelsior Refit Class, USS Excelsior study I Class, USS Excelsior 4-nacelled study I Class, USS Excelsior 4-nacelled study II Class, USS Excelsior vaeiant 1 Class, USS Sovereign Class, USS Sovereign Class Variations, USS Obena Class, etc

Since the Enterprise-D was a Galaxy Class ship outfitted for deep space exploration, it made sense to me to have one forward and one aft torpedo tube that could fire a cluster of torpedoes and probes. A purpose-built combat ship would do better to have multiple launches facing forward and aft for combat-survivability. You don't want to lose your ability to fire torpedoes because your only forward facing tube got damaged. I figured they could put multi-launchers on Excelsior-class ships as upgrades, though there are probably different styles of the newer tubes that maybe can do multiple, or rapid fire, but not the staggering 5 we've seen Enterprise D launch at the same time. If you look at how big the Enterprise D's tubes are, fitting that into a much smaller ship would be tricky.

@@walteradrianmoyano3054 I just have to ask, what are u babbling about?

I have the same book and I loved it. I was huge into the mechanics behind things at that age, and Mr. Scott's Guide was very good at scratching that itch.

One of my favourite ships love using it in sto that and the ambassador

@@mattp2557 absolutely its a dream to fly in st0!

My impression was the transwarp system the Excelsier was equipped with wasn't an entirely new warp system, but merely one that allowed a starship to jump instantly to a specific warp factor, rather than leveling up speed like the original Trek did.

Yes, but isn't the modern one an all new plane?

Right. Sort of how they were still building new VW bugs and Pintos in Mexico until the '90s. With the B-52, though, those are the same actual airframes still in service; the last ones built are from the '60s..

Whenever someone talks about the long life span of the B-52 Stratofortress as well as the Russian Tu-95 Bear bombers in how they refuse to be retired, I often joke that if you look carefully in the background of the Battle of Sector 001, you can still see retrofitted B-52s and Tu-95s in battle with the Borg cube.

This. I knew about this, as I enjoy needing out ocrt military aircraft. But I bet most people didn't...

Take a look at The Expanse and specifically what they have done with the Truman and Morrigan class ships for a great example of this.

if another show comes around, it having an Excelsior class ship as the main would be great. of course it being retrofitted. but perhaps it's near its decommission.

@@destronger5313 Could even go the route of the Shenzhou, and have her destroyed heroically fighting a superior enemy early in the season, and replaced with a more advanced starship class. This is kind of how I would start a Dominion War series.

The original Enterprise was supposed to do this, but when Starfleet realized how much the VFX shots would cost for their documentary films, and how many minutes of screen time would be eaten up in each documentary with the separation and landing of the saucer, they decided to use the newfangled "transporter" instead.

The _Archimedes_ isn't a refit, it's a new upsized design. Apparently Starfleet wanted to draw on a historically very successful design for a new class.

Obena-class; essentially a kitbash of an Excelsior and a Sovereign.

@@Sephiroth144 indeed... And if ever there was a case of 'the whole is greater than the sum of its parts', the Archimedes is certainly it... They took parts from 2 of the least aesthetically pleasing ships in all of Starfleet history and 'kit bashed' them together to make a solid looking ship...

When i first saw USS Archimedes in lower decks, i thought it was just a Starfleet refit & upgrade, like how constitution got upgraded & refit between the 3 seasons and the 1st movie

@@paulmyles5101 It technically is that but according to Mike Mcmahan, it's a new class. Starfleet does that if the variant is different enough from the original clasd

Loved they brought Ensign S. Gomez back as the Captain, she's come long way from spilling hot chocolate on Captain Picard. :D

Yeah the USS lakota was a refit upgraded Excelsior.

What the manual says is one thing. Unfortunately, scale has always been wildly inconsistent in Star Trek. The Excelsior is most likely between 500 and 550 meters long.

The Galaxy class is the one that doesn’t fit. It has tiny little nacelles that look tacked on with a gigantic saucer section. It’s stubby and ungainly. Sovereign looks like a ship! It’s balanced and sleek (although I’m a Luna class fan; Titan forever!). 🖖🏼

@@keirfarnum6811 The Galaxy class always struck me as more of a Liner design with adaptions that made it into a long-range Explorer than a serious design that was expected to double as a defense vessel also suitable for long-range exploration. Apparently, after the Federation's near-total rout at Wolf 359, Starfleet thought the same, hence the later Akira, Norway, Steamrunner, and Sovereign classes. 😉

No I just picture Jeff Bazos

"Excelsior!"

I believe it's mentioned off-screen in reference books that there was a third torpedo launcher under the saucer section where it separates.

'Are you certain? I'm sure there are 5...' 😉

yea the Sovereign is one hell of a hot lady ......

I certainly agree, the Galaxy class looked pretty weird when the saucer section separated from the Stardrive section, where it looks like they actually require each other to look right. I know the Excelsior class has the ability to separate, but as he says in the video, that would be semi-permanent. And the sovereign class actually has sections that look like they could be separate ships, although the Stardrive section would be stuck with maneuvering thrusters and warp power to move around and the saucer section would be stuck at impulse trying to play catch-up with the Stardrive section if it used the warp drive or vice versa if the Stardrive section was using thrusters as propulsion, like if the warp drive was shut down to avoid a core meltdown which could've led to a core breach. I actually agree with the Sovereign class being a beautiful looking class, but it does have its weaknesses as well, like without the neck, it may be less vulnerable, but you would be sacrificing a few decks in the middle. I know the Sovereign class is larger than your Galaxy class Enterprise D, but you kind of lose that classic Star Trek look of the Enterprise A from the J.J. Abrams movies and from the original series. I know that the original series Enterprise wasn't able to separate as far as I know, but at lease J.J. Abrams was able to create a refit of the original Enterprise with the ability to separate, albeit with manual locks and levers that needed to be actuated manually, but still, it's pretty cool. Also, the Sovereign class has less weaponry facing directly forward, so you'd have to fire at your enemies with either the top or bottom facing towards them. I know it has those fancy class 12 phaser strips that can fire at zero elevation, but you would need to have them at a flatter angle for a more devastating and narrower beam to cut through their shields, hit their shield generators and knock out their warp nacelles/engines, weapons, impulse drive, tractor beam, whatever you need to knock out.

@@Game_Blox9999 Maybe the stardrive section of the Sovereign Class uses the same impulse drive technology as the Nebula Class. The latter even has no visible impulse engines on the whole starship alltogether. They even removed the impulse engines that were originally on the Galaxie‘s saucer section when they adapted it for the nebula. 🤔

@@bn23daveHuh, I never thought of that.

I am partial to Intrepid Voyager

Another possibility: They started off with 4 torpedo launchers, then somewhere about the time of Enterprise-B, upgrades made it so they could fire multiple torpedoes from a single tube, so they converted two of the tubes to shuttle docks.

I hope to see one unironically on Discovery

I would question your analogy with disruptors. Antimatter and plasma have nothing to do with the actual particle stream created by a disruptor. Antimatter is, however, as we all know, used as a reactant in most space-faring civilizations' warp cores, and plasma, being one of the outputs of the reaction, is used both as a medium for energy and to be fed to the warp coils which bend space-time. Romulus, of course, derive that same power by siphoning off rotational energy from the artificial black holes they use instead. I'm honestly not sure where you got the idea of disruptors being different in the way you suggest. While Romulans are also known to use plasma weapons, their disruptors function just like everyone else's. They are particle weapons that disintegrate a target at the subatomic level. If you're suggesting a difference in how they're powered, then that doesn't make sense either. I doubt a simple power cell uses Antimatter. Everything above that is pretty spot-on, but I don't see the analogy fitting or working at all.

Not forgetting the upgraded Galaxies we see, in DS9, to fight the Dominion War.