I consider the Tuvix episode the ultimate note on transporter tech period; if the "conscious being" is only fully manifest in the "physical body" - then every time someone steps into that chamber and is completely torn apart - murder is committed and a new life is created at the other end (another trek possibility is that the conscious is quantum linked to the physical, then you are just "relinking" a pointer - I feel like IRL is different than either case) search "trek transporter murder"

I thought it was an allegory of the command decision in the military to kill one to save others.

" 'Executed' it"

@@leoismylastname “Execution” used to be a euphemism for killing someone. It also means “the act of performing or accomplishing”. Similarly, “Undertaker” used to mean someone who does (undertakes) a specified action. when a Shakespearean character says, in accepting the challenge of a duel, “I’ll be your undertaker”, no threat of death is implied.

And well performed, like you really feel for him when nobody helps him.

His visor is also totally a screen for watching her with his hidden cameras. If spy tech is tiny now, what do you think Jordi could come up with?

I had such a crush on her from that episode. It would have been very distracting had they cast her as Janeway.

Poor Tuvix , his life would have been a real mix up for sure.

Giordi's crush on Leah Brahms was broken by the real Leah Brahms though

@@michaelmckinnon1591 The crush wasn't the problem. The holodeck version of her was.

That's for sure. Hugh's death would have had the same effect on Seven as if he was just another random former Borg drone.

Icheb's the first one that came to mind.

I loved icheb in voyager and I am furious over his offensive death in Picard.

CBS isn't canon anyway, just don't watch it for Trek's sake.

Hugh was in two episodes of TNG (three if you count Descent parts I and II separately). I think that qualifies as "recurring". But I agree, Icheb deserved much better.

Great post, but still Kirk deserve better! Still at least we all know who the better Captain was in that movie! LOL

2265: Captain on the bridge 2371: Bridge on the Captain

"Over A Hundred & Six Years Old, He Hung In There Didn't He?", "Didn't Die Of Old Age Either, A Bridge Fell On Him", "Ouch!". LOL

The "Shatnerverse" novels magically bring him back.

Wasn't it a nod to V when Kirk said he'd always known he'd die alone? Yes, Picard hears his last breaths, but he does meet his end alone in a ditch and apart from his friends.

Everyone in whole galaxy was stupid with the holodeck, especially the writers. You would think after a while someone in the federation would say "hey you know that thing we use mostly for leisure and training exercises that's always breaking and trying to kill us? Maybe we should stop using that".

And Geordi was not a "creepy stalker person." The dude was just lonely and couldn't get any. So, where do you go to get some, The Holodeck.

@@jamesstephens3222 Yeah, that's fair, if the person he did it with wasn't modeled on a real person.

@@jamesstephens3222 That would have been all fair and well if he didn't project imaginary Brahams on real Leah Brahams who had every right to be creeped out the way he kept acting like he knew her.

cough RIck Berman cough

@@JaredLS10 No, they needed to kill her off.

@@Paulafan5 Ah, "Nuh-uh" - the pinnacle of rebuttals.

The actress who played the original one left to be on Becker. I agree they didn't need to introduce a useless character as her replacement symbiont. But I'm sure the producers were mad that she quit.

@@michaelmcneely9169 Yeah, no. That's definitely not what happened. They literally explain it in the video itself. Farrell asked for a reduced schedule - moving her to recurring instead of starring. The showrunners (i.e., Berman) said no, didn't re-up her contract, and they killed her off outright. That's why the original commenter said what he did - the recurring status shouldn't have been an issue because there was an easy way to work it. Again, literally explained in the video.

I liked Tuvix a lot better than I did Tuvok.

I wish there had been a way to duplicate him and split one of them and having all three. Alas, that was never, ever going to happen.

Steve Shives made a great video about the Tuvix episode a short while ago: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h7h2itSFtp3cemQ.html& IMO, it's terrible writing which really hurts Janeway's character. And even more so because it is never ever mentioned again (general problem of VOY). It should never have happened.

I look and everyone is teary eyed kver Tuvix...what about Neelix and Tuvok...they wasnt even able to speak for themselves they were changed without warning or anything and everyone was ok woth this because we got this cutesy new person 😒 #ISupportJaneway lmao!

On paper, the idea of fusing two characters seems silly. But Tom Wright really sells it. Not only does he convince the audience he’s both Tuvok and Neelix, he manages to create a character more likable than the other two. IMO, this is the real reason people hated Janeway’s decision. The fans hated Neelix and Tuvok wasn’t that interesting. The ending forces us to give up a character we like in exchange for two we don’t.

Honestly it's just one small step in the right direction. I want to see the darkest Trek universe possible and have it still be Trek.

It also sacrificed potential for shock. Who wouldn't want Hugh zipping around the Galaxy with Jean-Luc whilst waxing philosophical?

You Are "Trippin" As Windows XP Wasn't Even A Pipe Dream When Tasha Yar's Death Occurred (1988)

@@kimberly-louisesisko6694 look at 0:26. That's a Win XP Desktop

@@matzemunz2827 Yes but that's how they made her funeral on the holodeck look like back then. Maybe the makers of Windows got inspired from that

yeah... And this joke went beyond as well... I'm old enough to have seen the first run of the later seasons btw

@@matzemunz2827 Yeah it's sad that the writers didn't make Tasha a good charakter. At least we later get Worf as a good security chief/tactical officer and Tashas Daugther Sela

It's a good popcorn movie, but Star Trek movies shouldn't just be a popcorn movie.

@@Paulafan5 I personally wouldn't even rate it as a popcorn movie....unless we're talking that unpopped corn at the bottom of the bucket? 🤣

Yeah I have to question some of the people from that site! They say some crazy things all the time!

Because it's a lie

nor should you.

Was a fairly decent episode but it does make me wonder about TOS charachter Charles Tucker IV

Sorry, but it's not a bad film at all. I'd argue its the better of the trilogy (Beyond was garbage by comparison, lacking JJ - or whomever's - careful touch). Khan was seductive and chilling in equal measures, Spock gets further depth, that lengthy badass fight at the end? Everything was great.

I mean, it's Not a bad Film... on general. It's just a terrible *Star Trek* Film.

The "killing off" (because that's really what it was) of the Enterprise-D and the Picard/Kirk vs. Soran scenes needed a lot of work. Otherwise it's a pretty good movie. I don't have a problem with Kirk's death as much as I do with what an incompetent bumbling idiot they make Picard look like in setting it up.

DS9 is the best star trek ever.

@@kingpin6989 Damn Straight!

I think the Dominion War is just the next morally logical step for the Federation to take in light of the Borg situation - reminds me of what Q said in that episode when referring to the Borg: "If you can't handle a bloody nose, you might as well crawl back into your bed" - the Federation needed to be prepared for war against whatever hostile alien force is out there. If only Q came back to DS9 to remind them (and the fans) about that as foreshadowing

East Meets West Presents the lack of Q throughout the different shows and seasons as a random reoccurring character is far too real. But hey we got Michael Skywalker now

The Dominion War shows the Federation considers their values and freedom to be something worth defending from those who want to destroy them. But the detractors apparently feel it's more noble to simply roll over and allow people to smash your face in with their boot, enslaving the Federation and destroying those values they claim to be important.

Marijo Vojak she made a bad call imo

Ezri.

Icheb’s death at least sets up some things for Seven. It does drive the plot some. Hughs death just kind of... happens.

@@JeremyKShort thats a good point, I think it was more the torture before he died that annoyed me

@@ovi071 the torture was definitely pretty harsh. That may be the worst we’ve ever seen in Trek. It’s upsetting because you wanted better for the character. But is definitely makes you understand why Seven wants to kill them.

The fact that they didn't even bring back the original actor annoyed me

@@marceljohnson9634 you can look it up if your interested, but there were some issues with him that make him largely unemployable in Hollywood now.

Tuvok and Neelix smelled lovely for the rest of Voyager's trip through the Delta Quadrant.

So, Tuvix was a Hippie?^^

All the flower said was "Oh no. Not again!"

@@theblitz9 I feel unreasonably smug after understanding that reference!

I actually chuckled because they made so much of the flowers being the cause. Then when they beamed them apart, not flowers on the bed.

The Klingons changed their appearance within TOS ffs. They do it all the time.

@@hoodaticus ya but not to looking more like batman then KLINGON. The only thing that really changed before was the foreheads and uniforms

True, but Geordi then smootched her. That was the weird part.

@@jfess1911 Yeah, weird and creepy... and he had the gall to lecture Reg

@@tkeating3 "The holodeck is for porn" meme was best demonstrated in the Orville. OK, it is not technically Star Trek, but it reminded me more of TNG than Discovery or Picard.

Geordi's big mistake was not deleting the Brahms hologram. Or at least reducing it to academic knowledge only. I'm surprised that TOS's Kirk/Uhura kiss and DS9's girl on girl kiss weren't at least on the list. I know that both were fairly divisive.

@@tkeating3 Farther down the list of reply's someone posted: "No one felt negative about this when this episode aired. It’s only when viewing this with modern eyes that Geordi becomes creepy. " To which I replied "Speak for yourself. I felt it was creepy at the time."

I’d say the Trip clone is less divisive as he would not have lived much longer anyway so it was more let him live a week and loose both or do what they did. Tuvix on the other hand would have lived a long time

Yeah, I thought they were trying to rectify her character in season 3, but after a few episodes she's back to being the 'bestest evar'.

No, I think most of the fanbase hates her character and she's the weak link in Discovery. She's the reason a lot of people don't care for Discovery. If people hated Picard or Sisko, that would severely hurt their respective series.

This comment is needlessly verbose. It can be distilled down to two words - Michael Burnham.

@@Phreddy666 😆😅

It's only divisive between the show-runners and most of the audience.

That also explains the wink Tripp gives Archer, before he is put into the "medical chamber" way better than just a "hey buddy everythings gone be alright"-wink. Tripp really goes through some shit in those books...

@@Amunre81 i just finished the novel "all the good men do" where Tucker is "killed" (even flashes forward to an older Jake Sisko/Nog going over Holo novels) tucker is undercover and made into a Romulan. its a good read.

In The Lower Decks we learn that holodecks are mostly used only for sex. They have a "biofilter" that has to be cleaned from time to time that's mostly semen.

@@hoodaticus I think ds9 beat them to the punch a couple decades ago, making the point clear with Quark's holosuites

@@LegendX2010 LOL I originally had a blurb about DS9 before I edited it out, because while you're totally right IMO, reasonable minds could differ on whether that means holodecks on starfleet ships were mostly used for sex. The Lower Decks establishes clearly that yes, yes they are. But yeah, the fact that all decent people react to holosuite usage on DS9 as declasse, indicates that it was 100% sexual. Gene Rodenberry wanted even more sexualization of the Ferengi than he got btw... but he got a lot.

Ah, "Dax" (symbiont) did not die.

They killed Trip twice. Don't forget. And for all we know the history was mistaken and TNG history didn't understand it was a clone Trip that died.

Killing her character off at least makes sense. Killing off Trip was just to to try and draw some emotion from the audience in a cheap way.

I think, there is a novel where they stated, that Trip never was killed. They took advantage of the story around that Riker was on the holodeck and making Trip a Section 31 Agent who infiltrates Romulus

@@Anthyrion You are right. The post-series Enterprise novels "fix" history. The claim is that Trip didn't die and that the history of that time was different. It was Nog who discovered it and went with it to Jake. This enabled them to create a series of novels. The important hing is that the crew of Enterprise thought he was dead the whole time.

You must have missed the concluding part of that sentence. “The only Star Trek main character who has died AND DID NOT RETURN.” Although Trip did die, he’s seen as a hologram. But of course he doesn’t return since it was the final episode. And Yar? What a mess! That dimwit Denise Crosby returns many times to the point of annoyance. First, as alternate timeline Yar, then as her own half-Romulan daughter. Frankly, I thought she never should have returned either. It’s obvious she regretted her decision to leave after TNG became a big hit and wanted to get back to the series in any way she could.

@@startounz While the information about the video you said is correct, your assessment of Denise Crosby's returns to TNG are retarded. Yesterday's Enterprise was a great sendoff for an underused character that was summarily killed off out of pique because Crosby wasn't happy at being underutilized. And Unification was a pleasant surprise of a return for her. Leaving TNG turned out to be a mistake, but given the overall quality of season one it's hard to fault her for looking at it and wanting out.

@@mattrobson3603 It’s really your comment on my assessment that’s retarded. There have been quite a number of instances where an actor or actress wants to quit a show early in its run. Nichelle Nichols herself wanted to quit TOS after season 1, but after meeting Martin King Jr., she decided to stay on as he said she represented a voice and presence for black people on television. And by staying on, she became an iconic character, particularly when she and Shatner participated in TV’s first interracial kiss. If Denise Crosby had simply given TNG some time, they might have given Tasha Yar better character development. She struggled to survive on a war torn colony and eventually became security chief on the Federation’s flagship. We saw a similar character on DS9 with Kira Nerys, who battled to free her homeworld from the Cardassians from a young age, and eventually became the space station’s first officer. And she of course, had significant character development over the show’s 7 seasons. By quitting so early on, Crosby blew it big time. And if you think about it, the death she suffered in season 1 occurred while she was in the line of duty, even though it was deemed senseless. Even though alternate timeline Yar was looking for a more honorable death looking to ride on the Enterprise-C’s historical sacrifice, her death was more of a low note since she became a Romulan’s concubine and ended up being executed after her own daughter betrays her. As for Sela, she was also a low note character, especially since she was never seen after the “Unification” 2-parter. All this mess was the reason Crosby should never have returned to TNG.

Oh. My. God. I just made a harmless comment. And now we have two people calling each other "retarded". In my opinion that's not very Star Trek. It makes me sad.

@@quarryfossick1075 I never intended any flaming. I just didn’t like that insult and needed to let the other guy know how disrespectful he was. Perhaps he’ll know better next time.

Id stick Neelix back into the transporter,..hes worse than Jar Jar Binks

Tuvix is just one of the millions of Deaths Janeway was responsible for.

It is funny though. They managed to accidentally duplicate Riker, but couldn't find a way to duplicate Tuvok and Neelix and keep Tuvix.

@@ZyferWarriorPrime How would Janeway be able to feed to thirst for blood though?

Transporters don't kill people: people kill people.

Icheb, as a character, was fridged to give Seven motivation, which on its own is bad writing, but doing it this way also gives *us* a reason to hate his torturers, shows us how precarious a position the XB's are really in, and also conveniently negates ever having to call the original actor back.

Also Picard. And Data! They killed four classic characters in just one season

@@leandrotami Oh come on. Data was so told to the end it hurt. and remember Time's Arrow: Data wanted to die eventually even back then. That said I didn't care for Icheb, but then again Voyager is the only trek show i'm not sure if I've seen all episodes. Some chars have an impact in very few appearences - Hugh is in 3 episodes of TNG, just one less than Lore.

Oh shut up.

Picard and Q is the love that dare not speak its name....

The computer didn't solve the problem by itself. It helped, but it was Geordie who ultimately came up with the solution. The avatar certainly motivated him though

So Geordi creates a holographic recreation of himself and pairs it up with Lia’s holo character. Then they can interact in computer speed instead of real world Geordi speed.

RE: "3. No one felt negative about this when this episode aired. It’s only when viewing this with modern eyes that Geordi becomes creepy. " Speak for yourself. I felt it was creepy at the time.

Exactly, anyone watching at the time, if they gave it any thought, was going to end with him separate both, because they are in future episodes - but every option was bad, even though I hated Tuvix the thought of if that was me was borderline horrifying (after impatiently waiting for it to happen I felt bad for him, which rated as more divisive IMHO) & Janeway clearly did the best/only she could, including killing him herself because even if you could order someone else to... Only morally grey moment st:voy ever had that didn't feel hollow or forced; Just beautiful Deus Ex...

If I recall, Hugh was ALWAYS supposed to die, but in the original version he was going to be offed in the same episode in which he appeared! But everyone loved working with the actor and character so much, they gave him several episodes to work in.

Have Captain Harriman fix the problem and get killed. Have Kirk take command of Enterprise B.

yeah my thoughts exactly!

Kinda weird that different people can have different opinions. It's clearly never happened before.

@@SNoVa525 Yeup, it is not a bad film at all, it could however, have been a lot, lot better with just a few changes, including reshooting Spocks scream to name just one.

@@NoFormalTraining absolutely!

@@SNoVa525 Kinda weird that some people know what poking fun is and some don't.

Because Michael is a space jesus and she pissed all over spock to be held up as better

There's actually a religion that is against Discovery. It all began before it came out, as people complained about how Gene's (or whoever drew it) first sketch of a ship for TOS looked too ugly to become the main ship of the series.

Trip didn't die, though.

No. Considering HOW many times he saved the ufp. He had the right. Picard the series is just terrible

Considering how many ships Riker was able to summon up on a moment's notice, should've been easy to give Picard just one to command.

Ehh, someone else pointed out that if we hadn't genocided our competitors on this planet there'd be cro magnons and neanderthals walking about. And almost nobody would have sex with them, so they'd still be around today, and there'd be three kinds of "human" in the world that look a lot different from each other.

I don't recall Nechayev using the f-word, though.

True- but Alynna was far easier on the eyes than Clancy; a shame if she was named after Tom.

Touché

I agree that janeway did the right thing as both tuvok and neelix both had loved ones but it wouldve been good to see Tuvix longer in a two part episode and let him expand a little bit more wouldve given a lot more oomph when tuvok and neelix were split again or even if both character gained a slight personality change as something they both gained as being part of tuvix making tuvok slightly more easy going gained from neelix and neelix slightly more logical from tuvok

And Tuvok had a fanbase.

@@NoFormalTraining solid Neelix burn.

No.

...who hate poor writing, disrespecting source material, and volunteer victims who treat the death of characters like a personal attack on their demographic.

How dare they have high standards and expect some level of continuity?! lol.

Our standards are too high... that may be why I also watch Star Wars. 😆

@@joermnyc Lol...cause they've done such a good job there too! 😄

@@Paulafan5 Right!?

Enterprise never got the love and even the chance that it desperately needed and rightfully deserved, way too many close-minded and sour fanboys that I have heard at least a few say that they were never going to watch because they didn't want a prequel that would retcon (it didn't) everything that they knew and loved.

It was also part of the adage of being in the military, not every person that goes off to war comes back alive.

Almost :P