It's funny, how DS9 constantly took concepts, that were briefly breezed upon in TNG and flesh them out to a rich and living universe! But I guess, that's the difference between Starships, that basically just briefly breezes by and a space station, that actually have to see the consequences of their circumstances and actions.

Quark, Garak and Dukat are still very firmly in the top ranks of my ten best written and acted characters of all times in any show.

I think the Ferengis awful portrayal in the Last Outpost G was also the fault of the director who let them go waaaay too overboard without realizing that this just made them a joke rather than a menace. Something kinda similar happened in Babylon 5 when Vir was introduced. In his first episode, Vir is a bumbling clown who is essentially incapable of anything. That got toned down quick, and he became the awesome character he was. I imagine it was similar in Star Trek with the Ferengi.

I was just about to say this, but you beat me to it and you said it better than I could have.

Armin Shimerman WAS DS9 in my opinion. Just as Jeri Ryan WAS Voyager. The writing was just better when those two characters were featured as main characters in their respective shows.

I wonder if he or Mrs. Sirtis had any issues cashing their paychecks for doing the episode. They and Mr. Berman only seemed to decide they "regret" the episode after fans rejected it. I know one of the books has tried to explain it, but it needs to be retconned on-screen with Riker apologizing to Picard for using incorrect history in "The Pegasus". Then TATV needs to be deleted from all streaming services and disavowed as strongly as Lucas disavows the SW Holiday Special.

@@mwg500 Who knows? Really no way to tell how truthful he’s being or not.

they didnt think it would be the finale

@@mwg500 So your opinion is that they should do the work as contracted and then refuse to accept payment for their services on the basis that they didn't like the work?

@@nomore6167 If Jonathan Frakes had said "This plot is BS", maybe somebody taps the brakes. He probably had the stature to influence the plot direction. But maybe he was happy to be getting a paycheck, so he clammed up.

I remember watching a DS9 segment of DS9 and Shimmerman said that the Ferengi weren't the handsomest race in Star Trek and the whole audience disagreed

I love it when actors care that much. He really did a fantastic job.

I was happier when T'Pol gave a Ferengi a VNP in 'Acquisitions'!

Enterprise is actually set in the TNG era, and was an attempt by Data to write 'Historical Fiction' Holo-novels. You can't convince me otherwise.

Regarding River, yes your correct. He only used it once, it’s connected to the TNG episode The Pegasus. He used the program to figure out what to say to Cpt Pichard regarding the phase cloak tech.

I'd be willing to do my bit in crowd funding that episode!

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The mud puppy esueqe creatures made a certain t ain type if humanoid race looking for the progenitors of their race

And Tom points to Harry Kim and says: "He is." Because Harry Kim must suffer.

Meanwhile, Captain Janeway in the background has that ‘does he know I have a boyfriend in that programme?’ look about her 🤣

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oh good god why...

@Snake Plisken What puzzled me about the episode as a young man was why they greeted them in the cargo bay rather than the actual transporter room.

Haha, I was thinking this myself.

I thought that Code of Honor wasnt that great but its also not that bad either, at least compared to the rest of the first season. The first season was so awkward and riddled with so many issues it's hard to really hate individual episodes. I mean, sure they had a rather sexist society but so did the Ferengi (who are also rather thinly veiled space Jews) and the rest of their culture isnt that badly portrayed since they're technologically advanced, and rather then being stereo typically African they have a mishmash of Arabian and European designs (Arabian robes and that spiked glove is a Roman/Italian/Greek Cestus used in boxing and gladiatorial fights). They have a duel to the death as a major plot point, which might make them look barbaric, but so do tons of other star trek cultures, such as the Klingons.

Never should have let trip die

Or, just about anything except what they did.

If they expanded on the story, particularly Archer's crew storylines, it might have made a great two parter.

I would have a scene where Trip is walking down what look like a boring corridor, he enters the room, there a dozen engineers, each one a different species and they are all looking at a ship schematic, the USS Constitution. Trip would obviously not have died in the episode.

Pretty awesome. I got his autograph before. Such a nice guy! I feel so bad for his lack of attention in Voyager. I loved him in the show.

"These are the Voyages" = "Haha you're still Ensigns"

I really like Garret Wang and feel sorry for how they neglected his character (and most of the others, too). But I truly don't get the Code of Honor thing. It just sounds to me like a bunch of Americans believe that all idiotic characters can only have American accents, because other cultures should be treated more favorably than Americans? Meanwhile all Hollywood villains have English accents and no one seems to object. It just doesn't make any sense.

@Snake Plisken I'm sure it also didn't help that Jeri Ryan was dating producer Brannon Braga throughout her tenure there - not to say she took advantage of that in any way, or to take away anything from her stellar performance as 7 of 9, but... well, you can imagine how that could've *looked* to other cast members who found their characters suddenly being sidelined once she was on board.

I somehow read this as "Garak's wang trivia" and was confused because I didn't remember Garak being mentioned in the video, much less his wang...

Ditto! I still enjoy it to this day.

Terry Garr was adorable in it. Too bad she didn't like the experience.

Most of these “regrets” are pretty pathetic. Political correctness is great at killing memorable scenes and episodes. Ever wanna know who really holds the power? Consider who you’re not allowed to criticize. On that note, Discovery was practically unwatchable.

A favorite of mine too

@@troylowe814 you mean too bad that Gene Roddenberry was a sexist power tripping pervert?

Just awful

Cringey? That word is confusey.

I figured that it was because they didn't want to add 3 new characters. At the same time, the Prime Directive likely includes the introduction of nonnative species to different planets as being illegal.

yeah, but did the actors regret filming it? that episode won an emmy for the makeup, so i'm thinking even if they thought the plot was dumb, they're still not going to have regretted making the episode _entirely._

Tapestry, ST: TNG. The intent was to show that every part of a person's life is important to the creation of who that person is. So, it's important Picard gets into a bar fight, because that taught him to take risks . . . . . um. He gets harpooned through the heart, which led him to being Captain of the Enterprise, because that taught him to take risks . . . .

I was watching this episode around midnight in my college dorm's common room with about a dozen other students, when the fire alarm (false alarm) went off. As we stood outside, sleepy and half-dressed in the cold Wisconsin night, waiting for the fire department to let us back in, we chanted "Spock's BRAIN! Spock's BRAIN! Spock's BRAIN!" Onlookers probably thought we were nuts. That was over 30 years ago, but it was so absurdly surreal that I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for that hilariously stupid Star Trek episode.

Also was hilarious how they put one of the torture belt things on Spock even though it didn’t affect him because he has no brain.

24 hours? A certain Swedish girl often in the media has survived for 18 years!

I remember when it came out, yes, I am very old, and I was horrified by how bad it was. The older and wiser I got, the worse that episode looked!

@@andrewspink3345 Brain? Brain? What is "brain"?

Most of the people behind the camera wish that episode never happened.

The only way I could mentally survive that episode was pretending it was all an elaborate trolling joke by the writers. They had a bet on just how much of grade school basic sciences they could crap on in a single episode.

The only good thing about Threshold is that the name makes my brain go "Threshold, take us to the Threshold!". Thank you Riddick

The thing with Threshold is it was incredibly dumb but everyone had a fun time filming it.

Worst yes, but perhaps not hated but the actors?

It almost didn't that's the point. Roddenberry has a great vision, his ability to execute it however is what people often criticize him for. This is why they wanted to move him away from production and keep him as an executive producer instead of directing anything. TNG turned around when they reorginized things, also the same time Riker grew his beard, which created the Tv Trope "Growing the beard" which is the opposite of "Jumping the shark."

The name carried it

@@AgentExeider it's also of note Roddenberry had Gene Coon to assist with the ability to transfer the concept into a commercial viable and quality series, William Shatner credits the 2 equally for the eventual success of Star Trek

Now, yeah. Internet fan culture passes judgment swiftly, so you have to pretty much nail it right out the gate. TNG also survived till season 3 cuz Trek was at its peak in mainstream popularity when it aired.

TNG was one of the very few genre shows around. People were hungry for that, and even though it was bad enough to be canceled, it HAD an excellent cast from the start and some good concepts. The first season was terrible, top-to-bottom. The second had a mix of AWFUL episodes but also some really good ones that gave you hope for what the show could be. It premiered one year after the theatrical release of the very successful Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home, so people were really looking for more.

It's in my top 3

Same for me and I am German :D

Everything liberals touch turns to shit! The generation of "the offended" these people are insufferable assholes. If they don't like something or it upsets their little "sensitive feelings" they believe all of humanity must not like it either it it must be destroyed removed or banned. I say we ban liberals

@@seanmadd44 Hey, it is Star Trek, please leave bullshit politics out of it. Live long and prosper mon ami!

@@seanmadd44 you really missed the point of all of Star Trek didn't you?

that book is my true head canon as to what really happened at the end

@@NinjaFlibble honestly, is that really surprising coming from an organization like that? I’m just sad the promised series about them never materialized. The ex-Emperor is by far the most interesting character in DIS

@@artembentsionov No, it isn't. I still wish they'd officially canonize the book

Ah yes, the Space Irish. TNG's version of TOS's Space Hippies.

It's Code of Honor! Except offensive to white people this time!

The Irish have long been subject to .. stereotype and persecution. In the mid to late 1800s it was pretty common to see help wanted signs, and below: "Irish need not apply." The Irish were white, but they were also Catholic, which was considered just as distasteful.

@@ianwestc I agree. And you'd have thought they'd have learned their lessons by the time "Fair Haven" and "Spirit Folk" came along. They could have decided to set those bloody episodes in a fictional English seaside town, all cod and chips and dodging the seagulls, but no - out came all the Co. Kerry racial sereotypes. Twice.

One thing I find very underrated about Archer is his character arc. He goes from optimistic and almost naive (to the point of putting himself and his crew in danger) to a more serious and responsible captain. Enterprise... is not my favorite Star Trek show, but I like Archer a lot, it's the perfect captain for what the show wanted to be

@@valentinofeltrin6617 Precisely! That's what I loved about it. The guy you meet in season 1 is not the same guy we're following by the third season. I also loved seeing how much Archer would struggle with retaining his values while solving the problem at hand. Bakula had this heroic quality too. For lack of a better way to put it, he reminded me of if Indiana Jones and Steve Rogers somehow had a love child.

Enterprise was great if you take out the oversexualized decontamination and massage scenes. I really like the Shran episodes.

@@BeSkeptical851 Honestly, I'm a bit of a perv but even I felt like those "decontamination" scenes seemed like inserting those "pick up the phone" ads into The Dark Knight. And yes, Shran was hands down my favorite recurring character. I loved the semi-hostile friendship he and Archer shared. Two very proud men that were still smart enough to see the big picture.

@@williamseneyjr.6277 You can't beat a bit of Jeff Combs!

I love the *idea* of the episode... It just really *really* shouldn't have been the finale. 'Trials and Tribbleations' I think was a much better executed version of a similar idea.

Well the big surprise was supposed to be that he mysterious person Archer was talking to was actually Archer from 40 years in the future. He was manipulating things along the way to keep them from repeating mistakes they had done on the past that led to the horror future.

@@ryanatorryanson9535 If that is the case then why did Silik put the bomb on the bottom of the shuttle to detonate the volatile planets atmosphere so the mission gets cancelled? Why did the Suliban try to create internal conflict within the Klingon Empire? I know Silik saved Enterprise from a Warp Core cascade and directed Archer to Future Guy so Archer could learn about the Xindi but something doesn't add up.

@@ryanatorryanson9535 I always thought it was a future Romulan trying to stop the federation from forming.

@@johntrevy1 I read it in an interview with Scott Bakula a long time ago. I’d hand to find it again. That was what he described.

Even with the BS Tasha death, it was still boring. A tiny bit of nonsensical attempt as philosophical babble, lame powerless damsel in distress, and nothing else.

That "terrible way to go" paid off later though in Yesterday's Enterprise when Guinan tells the alternate timeline Tasha that she died a meaningless death, inspiring her to join the doomed Enterprise C crew and change history.

Denise Crosby may have got killed off in a truly dreadful episode that was so mind-numbingly tedious it makes you want to tear your hair out. But on the plus side, she got killed off in one of the very finest and best-written episodes of TNG Season 1.

@Snake Plisken Forgive me but I just can't agree with that. Sure, many fans hated both 'reboots' of the series, but there is a huge difference between the objection fans had to TNG, and the objection to 'Nu Trek'. Let me try to use an analogy to explain the difference... Let's suppose you were planning your perfect wedding, and you ordered a minty green wedding cake because that had sentimental significance. But the caterers totally mess up and do a brown chocolate cake. It's all very upsetting, you're angry, and you feel like it's ruined your wedding. Nevertheless, many of the guests actually enjoy the chocolate cake, and in the end you come round to it. That's like the objection to TNG. But what if the caterers turned up at your wedding with a chocolate cake, and when it was cut open, flesh-eating spiders started crawling out, then the caterers started going around with machine guns shooting your guests, before setting the whole place on fire and blowing it up. I'm sure you would agree, that is a WHOLE OTHER level of offence. Nu Trek is like that to us. It's not merely 'bad', it's not just jumping the shark, or taking the show in an idiotic direction. It's something DEEPLY morally OFFENSIVE. It's an attack upon everything Star Trek stands for and a radical redefinition of the franchise - turning something beautiful and wholesome into something so grotesque and twisted that it is literally impossible to watch. I could not even attempt to watch such an evil TV show, with such disgraceful language. It would be like witnessing a violent crime.

Kirk dying because a flimsy bridge fell on him was worse, and that was a movie.

He's fine, his friends just helped him fake his death because he's so good of an engineer they all knew Starfeleet would never let him retire in peace.

I never watched it. I started it, saw what the premise was and immediately turned it off. Never touched it again.

Mediocre screenwriting falls back on old cliche's like: kill a character to inject drama. They didn't need to kill Trip, but hoped it would tug at someone's heartstrings. Kind of desperate and rote writing. Kind of like when they killed... Spock. Or MacLane Stevenson, or Batman's Robin.. or didn't they "kill" superman? Give it rest dopey screen hacks!

The novelizations have this being a fake death so he could go undercover for Starfleet Intelligence.

Such a flippant way to kill off a character after 4 years. Dumb dumb plot, just a mess.

"stunningly gorgeous".... Hyperbole much?

Well, she does have nice knockers!

And ten years later when she was in Close Encounters, too. She did age a minute in that time, must have been in cryosleep.

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It was a good episode and a great concept. Gary Seven and Roberta Lincoln were great characters who should have reappeared at some point in the franchise. DS9 would have been a great returnn point for the characters or even TNG for Enterprise continuity. Too bad Roddenberry always seemed to get in his own way.

well someone mentioned it above in the comments that we actually never got to see the chef in the entire series up unti the last episode. he was only referenced here and there through out the series in different seasons, but was never showed on screen until the last episode, meaning the entire series played out in a holodeck and was from the point of view of riker

Nazis weren't cartoonishly evil, that's propaganda. They were an enemy faction. WW2 storylines need to probably stop already, it's way, waaaaay too played out.

@@Knight_Kin well. they certainly didn't twirl their mustaches or laughing histerically. "evil" in the real world probably more is like executing without remorse and with cold precission. But going through the speeches of the time I can't help but associating them to a proto cartoon evil. But I agree. WW II stories have been thoroughly explored.

So Irish people from the 1800s are racists because they are Irish people from the 1800s! No that makes the people claiming they are a racist send up racist for defining people as a racist send up when they are just people! THATS RACISM!

Regardless star trek and just about every other series has overused the nazis to where they are common phrase this day and are the typical go to baddies...

@@Knight_Kin right because every other enemy faction systematically tortured and killed 6 million people too

I thought that the criticism that there were no sympathetic German characters was a little weird. Because, as presented in the episode, there were no true "German characters"! The Germans were all holodeck automatons. They were only there to serve the Hirogens' purposes. If the situation had been distorted to cartoonish proportions, I can see how that would be worthy of criticism. But, I'm not sure that was the case here.

Not to mention that since its set in occupied France... the only German characters would have been occupying soldiers. So... yeah?

I came here to say essentially the same thing. As a German, I actually enjoy "The Killing Game".

@Snake Plisken As an example of how misinformation, propaganda, manipulation, mass hysteria and indoctrination work it does a nice job even on a broader level, but one mustn't take everything about it too literally. Same for the underground movement. It's a typical product of its time, lacking a bit of nuance here and there.

Sounds interesting! Do you remember it´s name and/or author? I always liked these kind of what-if stories.

@@victorvance2573 The Fold by Peter Clines

@@pauldavis9387 Thanks! Nice coincidence, i read his book 14 earlier this year, which i found quite good. So i think i give it a try.

@@pauldavis9387 is that the guy who wrote the ex series of books?

@@dnf-dead Yes it is.

OMG! I never rewatch that episode. If they had a plot where kirk changed bodies and went undercover as her for something and she had to act like him so no one knew he was gone and they played it up for laughs they might of had something. But as it was it was so cringe.

Definitely not one of my favorites but it was nowhere near as bad as Spocks Brain.

this is an example of an episode, which I didnt think there would be a problem with, even if you think the TOS cast are not in it enough, once you accept that its a back door pilot, then that isnt an issue, because I think it sets up something good, Torchwood would seem to borrow from it ALOT. However the reason given was the environment in which it was filmed, not so much the plot of the episode. Also the cynic in me wonders, if that might have changed, had the series happened.

What younger viewers miss, and Terry Garr does not appreciate, is that this was TV in the mid 60's, when everyone was wearing very short skirts and sexuality was being displayed everywhere. It's a shame, because she did a good job with a character that was suspicious, smart, and patriotic, and the plot line never demeaned her because she was young and pretty.

@@arthouston7361 im not sure its ok to simply say "well that is how it was at the time" or from Terry Garr POV "well that is just how it is"

Legend has it that Roddenberry was like a rutting pig with every female guest star, so I think if he wanted to lift up Terri Garr's skirt, it wasn't always on camera...

@@mcarp555 Not just Gene was chasing tail off camera.......

I like most of the episodes. Even a mediocre episode of Star Trek is better than most other SciFi shows. The only one I don't can stand is the finale of ENT.

The title isn't about the worst episodes only the ones the actors regret. Gar regretting working with a sexist, overbearing, d-bag says nothing about what happened on screen though. (Aside; I really would have loved a series from that as a kid.)

Agreed. _Spocks Brain_ isn't a good episode but it's not a boring one either. It's a hoot to watch.

It seems she was mistreated a lot. She also hated Gene Wilder after working with him on "Young Frankenstein".

I don't know. That episode of Trek was really boring to me. Maybe it would have played better as its own thing.

75% of the problem with it was how it screamed "BACKDOOR PILOT". It was like "Mum, someone put a Gary 7 in my Star Trek!". The other 25% is the whole "history research by time travel" plot device. Like time travel was so trivial people just did it to see what happened on a certain day. They make it seem like in the Star Trek world you can just set the ship to go back in time. This gets dropped from the series and we have to pretend like we never saw that. Later in Star Trek: The Voyage Home we see just how hard going back in time appeared to be in Kirk's era. If you ignore that in this episode and one other they show it as standard functionality for the Enterprise.

But who's to say that Teri Garr was "mistreated"? She says she had a bad experience. Was it her fault or Gene's? Who can say unless they were there. IMHO, 9 times out of 10 the fault lies with cast members getting above their station and not doing what the directors/producers tell them. No matter how bad their ideas are, it's their show and you're supposed to do things their way just like with any boss or manager. The stuff about skirt length is purely trivial. How many guest actors have to spend hours getting into painful prosthetics that are genuinely uncomfortable. In comparison, changes to skirt length are trivial, and Gene and William never made skirts TOO short. Obviously Miss Garr's real problem was the personality clash not wardrobe.

@@Scripture-Man It really comes down to how it played out. Knowing what we now know for a fact is disgustingly common, sometimes basically rapist behavior in Hollywood, I would not be too quick to dismiss her. Having said that, it does not make sense that Roddenberry had "gross" intentions here. His original Trek pilot had a female first officer in pants, and not sexualized. The switch to skirts was to appease the studio. Based on that experience, my guess is that he was pushing for a shorter skirt cuz he thought that would help to get the show picked up by the network. Again, depends on the details really. If she was uncomfortable with it, and they discussed it and came to an agreement, that would be proper. If, however, he came in leering at her and saying he wants to see her in a skimpy skirt, well yeah, she would have every right to be pissed. The truth probably lies somewhere between the two scenarios.

One of I always skip. :-) No offense. :-)

Yeah, I also enjoyed Extinction. I don't understand the hate it gets. 🤷‍♂️

It's a good idea whose script just needed one more draft, imo. IIRC, like most ST episodes it had an A and B plot and my feeling was it should have been fully on Hoshi and Archer's characters' stories and no secondary plot. That would've allowed time to realize the script's ideas better, in a more nuanced way.

I watched that episode only once--when it first aired on UPN almost 20 years ago, and to this day when I'm daydreaming, I sometimes randomly hear and see Linda Park's character in my head saying: "It was....beautiful." Such a weird thing to remember, after all that can happen over 20 years of someone's life! I guess her acting in that one really made an impression on me. Also props to the makeup crew!

'Angel One', ugh. Notice that the worst eps always seem to have Roddenberry's hamfisted, sexist fingerprints all over it? The irony - the guy who brought it all to life also was the one who almost killed it flat again.

@@snoproblem The dude was definitely a huge pervert.

Agreed. Not the best - but compared to what we're getting now - pretty damn good. Would have loved to see the Romulan war 😭

Agreed, especially with the last part of what you said, that Enterprise wasn't given a fair chance to showcase how good of a Captain that Jonathan Archer could be, being the first Captain to command a starship in pre-Federation Starfleet

Why not? He built the Federation.

I never heard of Captain Bakula. What ship did he command?

@@BigJeremyBeyer I realize that you're likely being sarcastic, but Bakula was a reference to Scott Bacula, the actor who played Captain Jonathan Archer

Depends if Gene Roddenberry got another 'hands-on' controlling interest in that too I'm guessing...

Yeah, not sure why Roddenberry was acting that way. His original pilot for Trek had a female first officer in pants, and not sexualized in any way. The mini skirts were basically to appease studio execs. Maybe he felt he needed to shorten the skirt to maximize she show's chance of being picked up?

@@crazydud3380 No. On the contrary. The miniskirts actually made studio execs mad because they wanted the show to be as wholesome and family-friendly as possible. They came from the mind of Gene Roddenberry like all the over-sexualization of women on the series. Roddenberry was a sex-addicted serial adulterer, who often used the "casting couch method" to "score" with young actresses. At one point Lucille Ball was worried that his dirty antics might bring down the morale in her studio. Read up on his life. Read Herb Solow and Bob Justman's very informative book Inside Star Trek: The Real Story.

@@crazydud3380 Everybody at NBC and Desilu knew Gene wanted Majel in the show because it was an open secret that she was his girlfriend at the time, even though he was married to someone else. That's why they insisted he get rid of Number One, not because she was a "strong female character" as he claims. Nurse Chapel was his way of sneaking her back into the show.

It's too bad that Teri Garr still disliked Trek so much that she wouldn't allow her likeness to be used in the comic.

Mine too. I was sorry to find it in this collection, as honestly I think it’s one of the top five (maybe even top three) episodes in the whole of original Trek. It’s an absolute classic.

The Way To Eden is one the episodes I refuse to watch. Along with The Empath and Conscience of the King.

Given the animosity with Stravinsky, this never could have happened, but I would have loved Alfred Bester to show up as a one-time universe crossover villain in Next Generation.

I think they should have reversed Sulu and Chekhov's roles I think the episode is okay not great but good

But it is my fave episode, it is hilarious, so camp it could be called carry on trekking. Anyone who disagrees with me is a Herbert.

And The Children shall Lead is another genuinely bad episode nobody really liked filming

Well that explains it right there, it appealed to you as a child. That's fair.

I was embarrassed for them watching it

Thanks for sharing your experience of this - it’s really interesting to hear about how that scene pulled you into the ds9 world rather than away from it. Definitely a win for the fandom.🙂🐿 Ha ha - because, you know, one more individual to rise up and make the world, the universe a better and more inclusive place has to be a good thing right?....just saying. 😉

As a kid, obviously. Adults, on the other hand...

"Arena", I think.

Except the villain on that DS9 episode made the clone himself, he was responsible. Riker and Pulaski were assaulted and had biological samples taken against their will. While killing the clones was maybe extreme, I totally sympathize with them, especially since the clones weren't viable and fully grown yet.

@@adamgoss3638 Not relevant. If the clone is considered a sentient being, killing it is murder no matter what its origin. (Also, the clones in question didn't have any say how they were created.)

Yes, but here is the beauty of holodeck ... It's very easy to retcon. Now we get whole new story and even the whole show can go on. And why not?! Id love to see Enterprise picked up as Movie or on TV.

@@joeboxter3635 I want to see season five, which was supposed to cover the Romulan War, and was supposed to bring Trip back as an undercover agent in the Romulan Empire.

@@pizzedahff3127 kewl!

Better yet, just have him cast as Chef. Period. Not as Riker playing Chef in a Holodeck. As the actual crew member they mention throughout the series but we don’t get to see until the final episode.

@@patrickstewart3446 Okay so Riker's grand dad is a chef on board a starship? 😂 Now that would make an awesome episode esp if something happened to the crew and the chef had to fight off all bad guys Steven Seagal style. Lol.

It's already in my head... FFS What got me about the episode wasn't even the song or silliness but that we understood by the end that the crew were never in any real danger...

its a first season episode, they were riddled with issues and the cast had alot of problems and hardships to deal with. I've heard the shoots averaged around 16 hours, Levarr Burton said he got so tired that he'd fall asleep at his station during filming and said he was sometimes slept through whole scenes when he was in the background. I forget when but Patrick Stewart got so exhausted that he had to be woken up inbetween takes of one scene when he was laying on a bed or table.

People who dislike the society depicted in Code of Honor have to explain how Wakanda's depiction was ok. Not very different to me, and Wakanda is worse in some ways.

@@Raja1938 I think people get upset because of how sexist the leader is and the fact they have a fight to the death, which makes them seem like savages. The thing is though the sexist leader gets punished for his attitude, his wife gets good treatment under the law of their planet, and while they do have duels to the death so do alot of the planets and cultures Star Trek depicts with the Klingons being a prime example

@@arthas640 Agree on all points, which makes me wonder if those same people objected to Black Panther for many similar if not worse depictions.

@@Raja1938 I've never heard anyone complain or criticize it. From what I've heard at least it's pretty popular with african Americans as well as most white Americans. That could be simply because it's one of the only black super heroes in recent history, with most of the rest either being sidekicks in big movies or they're the star in a much smaller film. Black Panther could dodge potential criticism simply for the fact it's a $1.4bil record breaking blockbuster movie with a black lead actor and a largely black cast which is extremely rare. People can be really weird about depictions of african americans in media, and their opinions seem inconsistent.

Mirror Universe DS9, ridiculous? What planet are you from?

Move Along Home is silly. It's a bit like Voyager's The Thaw in its connection to the original series, except Move Along Home is pretty low stakes and The Thaw is legitimately threatening when you get past the low-rent circus motif. I'd say the Q episode Q-Less was worse, in that it illustrated that John DeLancie and Avery Brooks had the chemistry of expired milk and lemon juice.

Writing an episode better than Spock’s Brain would be so easy a child could do it.

Thanks, I can't get it out my head now 😂

Third shap!

@@andrewjohnston4127 0.5X speed "A Night in Sickbay" stat, repeat as needed.

Pleeeeeeeeaaaaasssseeeeeee!! Pleeeeeeeeaaaaasssseeeeeee!! Pleeeeeeeeaaaaasssseeeeeee!! I will never cheat again, I will never cheat again!!

I thought it was interesting how bashir, who I would consider the vain character on the show, was the first to attempt the sequence but not doing everything as if to try and shield himself from the humiliation of acting like a child.

Honestly the only thing that I feel like redeems the episode somewhat is that it does show the inklings of signs that Quark for all of his greed, isn't a complete asshole.

Your loss! Sorry to say that, but you missed so many good episodes. F.e.: Start with Blasphemy and work yourself through the circle and such. Hope you'll get hooked. And in my opinion, if you'd get there one day Far beyond the stars. Best episode ever.

Sadly, novels aren't canon.

@@freethebirds3578 to me those books are the season 5 we never got.

I was kind of surprised to learn that fans are kind of lukewarm about that episode because I loved all the spectacle of it.

I thought the Killing game was a fair portrayal of the WW2 Germans. As you know there were some really unforgivable things the Occupying Forces did. But in The Killing Game there was only one German officer who was really awful -the blond underling.The others were depicted as ordinary German officers, he wasn't. He was very much a "true believer", and definitely the sort of pure Aryan the Nazi leaders wanted to create.

The German officer you speak of also played the Borg drone "one" in season 5 when he used the Dr's Mobil admitter to become an advanced drone and helped Voyager destroy a Borg ship.

The way to Eden is my all time least favorite episode. I can’t get to the remote fast enough when I see that one.

@@mattrodgers4878 What, hippies are deranged, brain damaged, cultist, children doesn't float your boat? /S

Bad for the basic plot contradicting canon about women being ship captains, and certainly with Shatner's sexist attempt at acting as a woman in a man's body.

@@mattrodgers4878 - You don't reach, Herbert!

@@RictusHolloweye “I’m going to jump for joy, gotta clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy!” Ugh. I rest my case.

I tend to agree. I thought it was an altogether interesting idea for an episode beset by some really bad decisions about it.

I didn't like Vegas 😅 it felt like it was forty minutes of filler trying to jump on the CSI: bandwagon with five minutes of stuff that's actually crucial to any of the established plots. I have to wonder if that was really the best way they could come up with to get the Wraith the coordinates for Earth. They couldn't of had it maybe Michael secretly sends them out to a home base of his or something and the transmission gets intercepted? (as for why, could be he intends to sell the information to the Wraith in exchange for re-acceptance. I'm not a writer, I'm just coming up with this on the fly)

Yes. I watched that one right after an encore of "Terra Prime", one of the best "Enterprise" had to offer. I deleted that travesty of a series closer right then and there within 5 minutes and went downstairs to cook.

Another reason she didn't like it was because she says she got typecast playing ditzy characters after that. I personally like the episode myself, and it's not just because of April Tatro as Isis.

@@amightysailingman Terri Garr was a sixties wet dream in go-go boots and a mini skirt. "I'm Terri, fly me!"

It’s just been on every possible “worst ST episodes” list. It’s nice to see at least one instance where it’s not mentioned.

Even the producers say it's non-canon. A regular show that just happens to have the main cast and and crew

And also Tuvix.

Maybe so, but there was a point to the episode. It was not just the Warp 10 barrier Threshold that was passed by Tom Paris. It was his maturity threshold that he crossed as well. He had somehow grew up. He was now ready for a post on the Enterprise as the Pilot and later as the First Officer under Chakotey. He was ready for a family. To offer help in the times that his girlfriend was having problems. Especially when she got scared that he would leave her and her past would repeat itself. When he offered to fight for her against a Vulcan. Or when he fought a Klingon for the honor of her and their child. I think you get the point.

that was one of my least favorite episodes of Voyager.

I agree. I've seen the episode many times and never thought it was derogatory towards Germans. The Nazis were bad any way you look at it. From the perspective of the Hirogen (spelling?), I think they would find they would find this 'entertaining'.

I think it is. Good to know that some people felt how problematic that episodes were. Put me totally off VOY.

@@M0butu Are you put off by the many video games Call of Duty, Battlefield, Wolfstien and the rest that did the same thing more recently than 1998? its a Videogame programmed by aliens who Nomadically Hunt for a living despite having advance enough technology to travel the stars... also I just realized the Hirogen are predator ripoff.

And we got to hear jerry ryan sing.

An occasional Ferengi was tolerable, but DS9 having them as cast members ?

There were lots of stereotype in Star Trek right from the TOS. Sometimes its was obvious, other, more covert.

Eh the other colony is clearly coded as English/British, not Irish. Thats what makes it even worse. Not only does it have racists 19th Century tropes about Ireland but the contrast we're shown is a British technologically advanced colony.

@@niallmaclaimh9826 Coded as English/British, how? Simply because they don't speak with an Irish accent? Notice that they don't speak with an English accent either. Consider also the sampling. We only hear two Grangers and two O'Dells. There may very well be more diversity among both groups (as there were Black Mariposans).

SAVAGE as per the Oxford definition: (1) (of an animal or force of nature) fierce, violent, and uncontrolled...(2) (of something bad or negative) very great; severe...(3) a brutal or vicious person...(4) (especially of a dog or wild animal) attack ferociously and maul. Exactly who was a "savage" in Black Panther? The entirety of Wakanda was a technological paradise, everyone was well spoken, intelligent and as forward thinking as any aspect of American society. Not even Killmonger was savage by any definition. He was angry, driven, maybe even vicious in his methodology, but he was calculated and of sound mind in his decision making. Even when M'Baku and the rest of the Jabari made mock ape vocolizations at the Black Panther party and threatened to eat them when they came to him for help, he laughed it off as a joke showcasing that they were f*cking with them and stated very eloquently that they were vegetarians. So I can only imagine that you are referring to the way the people as a whole dressed formally and their shamanistic belief structure...which, unlike in Code of Honor, were all specific to the region of Africa their characters were from and all represented/mimicked either real life ancestral tribal garb or aspects of real life shamanistic belief structures. The difference between this thoughtful writing and TNG's racist direction is highlighted by the fact that not only did the writer of Code of Honor simply write what she thought Africans would be like in the future to HER MIND without thought or understanding of the culture, but she made the EXACT SAME BLIND "MISTAKE" when writing Emancipation with the Mongols. To say that the Wakandans in Black Panther were "noble savages" would be like saying that the Japanese are the same because they're Buddhist, ware traditional kimonos during formal occasions and still practice sumo and kyūdō.

@@samueltheprideofafrikarobi9319; dispute the king's chair with a fight to death don't see much civilized to me. Need more?

@@solucaoatende And the ancient Romans watched gladiators slaughter each other in coliseums for sport, watched people bloody and kill each other in stage plays for fun and they washed their clothes with urine. They also drank gladiator blood to cure diseases, washed their hair with goat fat and through unwanted babies in the trash. However I'm willing to bet a dollar-to-a-dime that neither you or anybody that you know have ever called them savages. So yes, I do need more than just throne-by-combat to call the only Black culture in the MCU (which was based off of amalgamation of real life African tribes) savage. Not to mention that trial by combat was a real practice partaken in by several romanticized anglo races; the Vikings coming to mind almost instantly.

I've heard that Star Trek books are, unfortunately, not considered canon (not officially, anyway 😉)

the only problem with comparing the storyline in Code of Honor with the similar one in Emancipation is that it makes sense in the framework of a primitive culture (like the one depicted in Emancipation). Not so much an advanced one (like in Code of Honor). You've got two different situations there, which makes it an unbalanced comparison. (I'm not saying Emancipation was a great episode, but it was at least one of the few that looked like it was trying to portray more than "generic slave human culture with Goa'uld undertones")

Unfortunately it seems she didn't know her place and wanted to argue with those in charge, which didn't go down well by the sound of it. Years later she's badmouthing Gene and complaining about men finding her attractive. Seems ungrateful, but who knows exactly what went on.

Expecting a female character in a 1960's TV show to wear a short skirt is hardly unreasonable. I don't think it was as short as Helen Noel's in Dagger of the Mind .

@@WillCamx damn right. The 60s was the golden age of the miniskirt

As a german i dont find the ww2 stuff insulting at all... even more when you keep in mind these were kinda overacted "we are the bad guys" simulations...

TATV would have been fine as a mid-season show. Indeed, it would have been exactly the valentine it was intended to be. It just sucked as a series finale.

That's not what happens in that episode at all.

Which eposode was that? In the one I saw, Tom was/is the result of a doubled transporter beam that copied the first Riker, and his brother Thomas spent a long time stuck on the Planet.

@@beauxguidry5373 Tom Riker appeared in two episodes: TNG's Second Chances where he is discovered and DS9's Defiant where he poses as his brother to steal the titular ship for the Maquis. The holodeck/holosuite played no role in either episode.

@@hypered0100 Oh really? Dr Bashir drags an exhausted Major Kira to Quark's, gives her a prescription of jamja root and a holosuite token... suddenly Tom Riker appears. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

@@hypered0100 thank you, I'll look into it.

What is brain?

@@andrewspink3345 the relentless woman-bashing was balanced out with up immense ball-breaking. Nobody won in this war of the sexes.

No one can really say who is to blame, all we know is there was a clash of personalities, but I would suspect the problem was Miss Garr behaving impertinently and not doing as she was told. You may not agree with your director and producer's decisions, but they are in charge, it's their show, so you do things their way. Then again, maybe Gene and William were rude to her and made her feel uncomfortable, or even made a pass at her. It's pure speculation. I highly doubt that adjustments to her costume were the main cause of her annoyance. Many actors have to endure extremely difficult or uncomfortable working situations when shooting, especially those who play aliens and have to undergo gruelling prosthetics that take hours to put on and are incredibly unpleasant to spend all day in. In the scheme of things, skirt length changes are not a big deal, and no guest actress on the show ever wore anything too revealing.

@@Scripture-Man Sherry Jackson - "What Are Little Girls Made Of ?" might not agree. Susan Oliver - "The Cage" might not either...but that's what actresses were asked to do in the late 1960s, 70s, 80s, 90s. Doesn't make it right, of course.

@@EricA-xd9fn I'm sure those actresses were very happy to be regarded as beautiful and wear exciting costumes. They would know it was a glamorous role before they even auditioned, and they weren't forced to do it. If you go to any beach, you will find that most pretty young girls enjoy wearing skimpy clothing now and then. The idea that men are 'evil' for being attracted to women is based on fundamentally sexist attitudes promoted in the 20th century by bitter man-hating women who were mostly jealous of other women getting attention. The belief that we should hate men for enjoying women's bodies is an abhorrent view that has no place in the 21st century.

@@Scripture-Man I can't tell if your post is serious or sarcasm.

@@Scripture-Man So I assume it's your position that Africans from 1600-1800 were excited about a free boat-ride to America, too.

WAKANDA FOREVER 🙅🏿‍♂️

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