Michelle Pfeiffer is the best Catwoman in my opinion!

One of my favorite movie "ah-ha" moments is the masquerade ball, realizing Bruce and Selina are the only ones not wearing traditional masks because Batman and Catwoman are their true selves.

This was a movie that I watched a lot as a kid. This penguin can't be topped.

Michael Keaton is my favorite Batman alongside Kevin Conroy.

Not to diminish Nicholson's Joker, this has been and always will be my favorite Batman movie.

I loved Batman Returns as a kid. I remember watching it over and over again, being obsessed with Michelle Pfeifer as Catwoman. I always wanted a 3rd movie with Catwoman coming back. I didn't even realize the movie wasn't as well-loved as the original. I guess I was just too young to pick up on it.

This and the first burton film are my favorite Batman movies. They're not the most comic accurate but they are really unique and very entertaining.

My favourite Batman movie. Love the look of Gotham and Elfman's score.

And that's where I come in; as one of the few Batman fans, who truly loved this film from the start. I couldn't get enough of this movie, and like the previous film, could quote the entire film from beginning to end.

This is a great twist to your usual format! I'd love to see more top 10 lists about alt versions of movies.

I am loving this alternative version. It's truly connected to the first film, but would probably work best as a limited series as it's really dense in story and characters.

I love these looks at alternate versions. Really makes u wonder what could have been . I hope u can find more of these

This version sounds so awesome. I would have loved to have had this version

One of my favorite movies and SNES game back in the day. So great, thanks Minty.

Actually parts of this version of the story did show up for the comic "Batman '89 " except Penguin was replaced with Harvey Dent/ Two Face but lots of elements from that script was put into that comic such as black Robin acting as his own vigilante, alternative Catwoman,people of underprivileged neighborhood being attacked upon, among other things. Seek that one out if you can it's worth a read.

Batman returns, the best Christmas movie 🙂

Wow. That was a huge treat! Thanks for exploring that script. I've never heard of it. I love these "alternate realities." One summer I printed out and read the original back to the future script while on vacation with no TV or internet. It made me actually appreciate the thought process and even the final film more.

I think it’s incredible that KZfaqrs can now us AI image generators to better showcase what they are talking about. Minty is the first person I’ve really seen do it at a high level. Well done mate!

Wow! That would have been a crazy movie. I remember people were upset at the tone of Batman Returns as it was. I imagine they would have absolutely flipped their lids if this version had come out instead.

Michelle Pfeiffer ROCKED this movie !! She was the movie !! What a Doll !! ❤

I love Batman returns great video Minty 🆒🆒👍👍

Without a doubt, my two favorite Batman movies! I've learned so much more about them thanks to you Minty. Hope you're doing well sir. 🦇

I’ve always loved Batman Returns, ever since I saw it in the cinema. This was a great video Minty - loved the editing and graphics portraying the script - great work

What I love about Tim Burton's Batman is Gotham city. It was unique.

I remembered seeing this as a kid and I enjoyed this for what it was. I also enjoyed hearing Channel Awesome's fanscription version of this and to be far the Batman 89 comic did try to continue the Batman returns story.

One of my favorite Christmas movies.

I absolutely loved Batman Returns

I’ve worked in the practical special effects industry for many years now and have been watching/listening to your videos all day while I work and absolutely love them. Ive been a subscriber for a while and I’m so glad you keep doing these videos. They remind me why I do what I do. Anyway, I grew up with this movie and it’s still my favorite super hero movie of all time. Keep it up👏

Up there with the best of Christmas movies 🤶

I don't think this script would have worked as a two hour movie. I think you're right that there were too many characters and too many elements. However, now that more streaming series are being created for longer more in depth story lines, I bet this work would great as a 6 or 8 episode series where a streaming service could really fill out the story.

Thought it was a masterpiece at 12 in 1992 and I still do today !

Best Batman film Ever, I LOVE it since I was a child. ¡Saludos from México!

Always loved this batman cause it was set during the winter.

Had some good points, but I'm glad we got what we got

Loved Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman. Anne Hathaway can't hold a candle to her

I find this version of Batman 2 facinating. It would be interesting to see how a 'Rated R' Batman film like this would turn out.

I love "Batman Returns". The first Time Burton "Batman" offering was awesome, and that much is absolutely undeniable, but just in terms of the soundtrack, it was really funky with all of that Prince. Thank God for Danny Elfman. Also, don't get me wrong; Prince was a legend and I love his music. I just felt that the selection of Siouxsie and the Banshees as a sort of theme for "Batman Returns" added to the Gothic nature of Batman as he came to be depicted in all the coolest Batman films. Danny DeVito is... well, he's Danny DeVito, isn't he? A better penguin couldn't have been brought to life by anyone else and in that suit with that makeup, he was just oozing creepiness and cruel intentions while DeVito still managed to bring a real sense of pathos to the character. And yes, I get the violence thing. That whole, "..Things could be worse. I could be gushing blood from my nose," bit was a bit of something, wasn't it? And Catwoman - Michelle Pfeiffer? Meow indeed! (BOOM!) I suppose a lot of hard-core Batfans could take exception to the number of villains Batman somewhat inadvertently murdered (I remember a chap who got set alight by the Batmobile's rear rocket,) and I think the lore has always been pretty strict about the Bat's unwillingness to kill. Still, it was sick. Tim Burton was young and bursting with balls and ideas as big as them and if by some twist of fate, he hadn't gotten the directing gig for those first two "Batman" films, we might still be watching Batman and Robin boogying down with their adversaries at the drop of a jukebox needle against a neon backdrop and Jiminy Cricket, Minty, that would be intolerable! I wonder what ever might've happened to that "Beetlejuice" sequel people were making so much noise about about a year or two ago.

Would love to see this version!

I always loved it. I remember watching it in the theatre. I still have the mugs from the movie and the cup they gave away at the theatre.

One of my favourite Sequels/Batman Movies/Superhero Movies/Christmas Movies 👌

Interesting first draft good that they want a different way

Great one, Minty! But yeah, I can see several reasons why this storyline was ultimately rejected.

As someone who lived through the release of Batman Returns I loved it as a kid. Even had these Batman sheets that had “schematics” for the Batmobile… they were the coolest.

Great video, Minty! Love this script and you did a great job setting the scenes! And the laughing mask at the end was a great addition.

The comic run of Legends of the Dark Knight vol. 1 #21-23 has a storyline called, "Faith," that features a similar group of Gotham's youth using Batman as inspiration to become a vigilante gang. There was a crossover run ( among the different Bat-related books of the time ) called, "Night of the Owls," in Batman vol. 2 #8-9 that has some similarity with the Raven story Minty mentioned.

insane level quality for this ep Minty

Loved both Burton films. This alternate version does look interesting. I understand Tim changing it to fit his style. Twas a pleasure working on this one too.

I loved this movie as a kid, its probably still my favourite batman movie.

The five ravens family thing is certainly interesting since it closely resembles a the Court of Owls that would later show up in the comics. That storyline took things into an even deeper and more conspired plot but still had everything else with raven thing would have save the the treasure. I'm honestly a bit conflicted. I get that the Owl choice was based on a natural predator of a bat, is more symbolic of wisdom/graceful power for the rick socialites and allowed for thier hitman to be called Talon but I still like the raven a lot too. A group of tricky manipulators in the shadows, with eyes always on a shiny prize for themselves would be fitting with a raven motif and I feel the animal can be just as or even more imposing than an owl if done right. The dark feathers, beady eyes and long beak come off more imposing and sinister than an owl even if they are the more physically equipped for brutality. Perhaps an elsewlrds instead then..a comic where the bat family and court of owls are one in the same and based on ravens. THAT would honestly be kind of cool in my opinion. The court controls Gothem but a part of this instituted by the Wayne family is to reduce crime but through more brutal means and white-collar manipulation than Bruce would allow in the Earth 1 universe.

I really like the raven statue storyline and don't find it confusing at all. And it's a nice tie in to the first movie. I'm assuming Carl Grissom would've been revealed to be a decendant of one of the five families

I love Batman Returns, and I also loved this video! I'd be really interested to see more videos of you talking about what-could-have-been movies, such as Nottingham, the original script for Gladiator 2, discarded Superman movies, Danny Boyle's James Bond movie, etc.

This Catwoman is even crazier than what we got in the movie. And the ravens are like the Court of Owls.

I like the Robin story. Could have been really cool.

The frame-up subplot is actually a major part of Batman Returns, and takes up a significant portion of the film. The problem is that it isn't properly resolved and basically comes to nothing, which is a shame (although I have some thoughts on that and believe that Batman was still a fugitive by the end of the film, and that the Batsignal we see at the end, was calling him in for questioning).

I absolutely loved the Burton Batmans! They were my favorites as a kid. Gore and all.

Thank you for this, Minty! Big Catwoman fan. I prefer Catwoman’s storyline in Batman Returns. Yes the motive of her working with Oswald is much clearer in Batman 2 but the transformation from a push over to the final push given her transcendence into a supernatural psychotic strength was iconic. She also is not pure evil like Batman 2 was describing her. Catwoman is duality, so I’m glad they didn’t present her like that or I doubt many of us millennials would hold her character is such high regard today.

I hate when they try to make the Wayne’s death part of some grand conspiracy. Better if it’s random

I know we’re in a different Batman universe but wouldn’t mind seeing this particular script revived. I think audiences today can handle its strong themes.

Thank you so much for this video Minty. Batman Returns is my favourite Batman movie so it was nice to hear about this other version we almost had. Keep up the good work mate. 👍

the best video youve done thanks Minty love u brothr!!

I am working on making an audio play based on that script

Cat Women’s bite paralyzing him was actually kinda cool because a real house cat’s bite can sometimes unalive other animals. Even if that bite itself wasn’t fatal, cats can have all kinds of toxic cooties. So that’s kinda accurate in a way. Cats often leave their prey stunned and they later pass from the bites.

I appreciate the beautiful digital art included in this video 😊

Love the videos Minty! Just caught the 1989 Batman on TV yesterday. These are some of my favorite films of alltime.

Always loved Batman returns. Never liked it as good as the original but still a fantastic movie.

Sounds better than half they’ve actually made over the years.. Never heard of any of this before. It sounds decent. Seeing more Michelle Pfeiffer as CatWomen being depicted as described would certainly have been exciting. I was about 11 years old when this Movie showed up. It’s still my favorite along with 89. Burton’s Gotham is still the best. The best balance of fantasy city made to be real and walked with in. Over the Top characters who are still believable in their motivations. Iconically Legendary.. Who can forget the Parade at the end of the first Movie.? The Parade that ends with the Joker pulling out the overly large hand cannon to take out the Batwing.? To have the next Movie encompass the likes of Devito, Pfeiffer, and Walken. After just watching Nicholson play the Joker.. Batman’s franchise may never see better days for People playing these roles. Carrey as Nigma and Thurman as Ivy… Also did very well in their earlier films. I get the Kilmer & Clooney Movies mixed up a lot.. I didn’t have a problem with the performance of the actors playing Batman in these Movies. More how the directors made it more like the version from what is it the 60’s or earlier I think. I still like the one with Enigma and how he was using T.V.’s to mess with everyone. These were good Batman stories.. With him dealing with over the top situations that threaten the whole city… Anymore the stories seem more personal to Batman.., with him just dealing with the Army of bad guys of which he’s dealing with.. Or someone they’ve found to be personal to him.. I believe the writers have gotten away from using the City itself as a character… Which in my opinion should be considered to be a more valuable asset to a story teller of Batman’s World. My opinion. As I wrote., these two Movies made an impact upon me at an age where long lasting impacts are made. To learn anything significantly new about them at this stage is rare and usually enjoyable. A few laughs, smiles, and WT…. F’s.? Like Marlon Wayne’s playing Robin.? 🤔 🤦. Yeah., I don’t know about that one. Not saying I dislike the guy for any specific reason.. I just don’t think he fits that role. 👍✌️. Thanks for sharing Minty.

Wow. Those five raven statue story line was super cool. Even though this movie is perfect in my eyes, I would like to have seen that.

Most underrated Christmas Film

Please video on Batman the animated series and Batman beyond

I agree that this concept would work better as a standalone graphic novel. Maybe even an animated film. Ultimately, I'm glad Tim Burton gave us the Batman Returns we know today.

Bravo Minty!!! One of your best!!!

Best Batman movie ever

Batman Returns has always been my favorite.

To me Batman 89 was the best Batman ever. As a kid I remember going to see Batman Returns and thinking "what the hell was that". Even today I love 89 but not too impressed with Returns. I think WB gave too much creative control over to Burton and what we got was a mess. Thank goodness we have 89 and The Animated Series 👍

Very well put together video Minty. Keep up the great work.

Batman returns is a dark underrated classic 😈

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This is my second favorite batman film after the first one, of course. Thank you, Minty, for the facts and memories.

They should have made this version instead. This was a great video.

This was a nice change of pace. Keep up the good work.

i love your use of stable diffusion to fill in the story visually.

Great episode! A good insight as to what could have been; Some really interesting ideas in the initial script.

Your reviews are awesome. They also match the emotional impact I have for Burton batman. Thank you for making what I love seem more accessible ❤

🖤 As always groovy video. I always learn something new and fun about some of my favorite movies and series. 🐈‍⬛🖤🦇

*_Best channel on KZfaq for me, hands down!_*

OOOO... I think I would have liked this version! Thanks for bringing it to us. 👍😁

I totally loved the hello how are you, took me off guard, and made me smile!

WOW… That was REALLY cool. I’ve noticed that a lot of the original ideas actually made it in to future Batman films. So in a sense, we did actually get to see some of these ideas on the mainstream live action Batman films!! I absolutely LOVE watching videos on “What Could Have Been”.

Batman Returns was always my favorite Batman movie.

Great Video Mr. Minty!! I'm like you I love to learn more in Depth with movies and alternative versions of the movies. I'm such a movie nerd.....lol It's very interesting to to learn more about this film in descriptive ways and all. Looking forward to other "alternative" versions of other movies!! Peace ✌️ Out!!

Could have been awesome. Great job minty 👏👏👏💐🎊

I definitely think this version of Batman Returns would have been interesting to see, with a few minor changes, it could have been even better than the first movie. I think they could have used the ravens story line to be the center plot of the movie. I also believe this darker and more phycological based plot could have been a good way to introduce Solomon Grundy who was in possession of one of the ravens in his sewer dwelling. Silas Gold, who is Solomon Grundy, could have been one of the original heads of the five families that fleeced Gotham. Being murdered and dumped into Slaughter swamp, in the outskirts of Gotham, comes back as Solomon Grundy to wreak havoc on the populace. Which puts him in direct conflict with not only Batman but Catwoman and Penguin as well. Great Video.

Minty, I would like to say thanks for being a great fan of the movies that I have also enjoyed over the years. Also I have learned a few things from you about some of my favorite films that I have never heard before. Have you ever thought about doing a video or two about the sword and sorcery genre that was a staple of much of the 80's? Might I suggest Excalibur, the Sword and the Sorcerer, Beastmaster, or Ladyhawk to name a few.

Wow, just Wow this sounds AMAZING!!

Videos are getting better dude

I agree, that does provide a more interesting backstory.

this is my absolute favorite batman movie. plus its a christmas movie.

This has been my favorite Batman film since 1992 when I first saw it in the theater.

Excellent job 👍

Minty great video batman returns rocked