Number 9 continued: I once made a fursuit head for someone who already had that character as a suit ...and then they continued to only post pics of the old suit, I never saw them wearing the one I made and I worried why. So I actually mustered up the nerve to ask them when I saw them at a convention if there was a problem with my work is why they never wear it, and they said they love the one I made so much that they put it on display so as to never wear it out, which TBH left me with mixed feelings as yes that is a huge compliment but on the other hand I really wanted to see them take it on adventures like they did their old suit ;3;

number 9: RIP the pinto pony quadsuit, I never ever saw it again after mailing it and it's easily my most realistic fursuit ever T.T

After that rainbow zebra I don’t think I will ever want to do super tiny markings again...

The imperfections bit, for reals. When I got that three-headed cerberus suit from Elkcraft I got random DMs from people asking me to go through a checklist of "is a seam loose, is there any visible glue, etc" and I'm like.... WHO CARES??? WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME?? IT LOOKS AWESOME AND IS BUILT REALLY WELL

Asking any artist for free stuff is ALWAYS extremely rude, cause it shows that person has zero respect for the artist, zero respect for their craft, zero respect for the sheer amount of work that goes into their work, and zero respect for the art they make.

This was a lot of fun to collab with you on! Thanks so much for having me!

My favorite inaccurate refsheet experience was when someone sent me a really nice ref sheet for a dog character, and then tacked on at the very end of the message was *_"this but as a dragon"_* Like, I... I'm sorry? ( _Equally frustrating: _*_"like this but more blue!!!"_* )

Skyehigh and neffertity. The unstoppable duo.

I honestly thought the title said “Ten things fursuit makers HATE: @neffertity”

As a maker, I want to SCREAM "THIS" to the world. For every. Single. Thing. I've had people send me inaccurate ref sheets. I've had people begging me when I was offering sales to do theirs for the same price: example every so often I offer sales on making Dutchies because they're the most common I'm requested to make, and people some to me with wolf sonas wanting me to discount their request for a wolf fursuit... I actually caught someone tracing Neff's character off her own artwork and they were asking ME to make their character into a suit for them, and I played dumb and just sent the art straight to her like "Can you believe this?" I've had people be stupidly overly specific with their suit details and I did my best for what they wanted, but some got so bad to a point of literally hounding and harassing me on the work. I've had people offer me horrid quality art and demand a fursuit in return just randomly. Last but not least for me to share, I never EVER see any of my work ever again once it leaves my hands and it hurts. It hurts I never see these people post about it, and one case, someone resold a suit just weeks after getting it from me. This person harassed the hell out of me for constant updates hourly when I give updates every phase I work on with a suit. I saw a video their mom did of them getting the suit. Then they never wore it ever again, trying to offer it BACK TO ME to get a different character made, and telling me to just resell the suit myself. That last one hurt A LOT. All the harassment I got from this person, them instantly reselling the suit, but then trying to trade it to me for another suit and telling me to resell it myself.

When Neffertity shouted "BUuuUuuUhHH" I felt that.

Gosh first suit I ever sold just disappeared off the face of the earth- I have absolutely no idea if they even like the suit because I don’t even see any art of the character since it was sold as a premade.

That 2nd one! What is it with people saying this to Dutchies? I've had a couple of young furs get excited and think I'm Telephone which is kind of sweet, but when people criticise my character and say he looks "too much like Telephone" I wonder why they'd even say that to someone? Do they do it to all other species too?

number1: That first one in particular oof. I too have seen many folks acting like they got scammed because of flaws you have to look closely for. I actually changed my TOS to cover this and added build close ups to my website to ease the anxiety such reviews caused me ;A;

Fursuit makers are one of the most important people backing the fandom, I cant believe they get so much flack for their craftmenship.

OH MY GOSH, everything said in this video is on point. I got a DTD one time where they were literally sitting and both arms were bent, also got another that was still moist when it arrived. please, PLEASE, put effort into the dtd. It’s so important

On the note of "poorly made DTDs": I once had someone legitimately threaten to SUE me because their DTD was literally falling apart before I even started stuffing it. They even went as far as /threatening/ by sending a photo of our house when (as a result of threatening us) we dropped their commission.

Nobody: Those people: “WEELLLLL SOME OF THE COLORS ARE ON YOUR CHARACTER ARE THE INVERTED COLORS OF THIS CHARACTER SO YOU COPIED IT!”

My favorite part was when Neffertity said "Do you have eyeballs?!" I died after hearing that! lol

In terms of air conditioning. Years ago I talked to a German suiter who had like a dozen ducts of surgical tubing in their suit, ending at different spots with all beginning in one connector at the neck. The idea being that you can use an air compressor (or a hand pump, though that didn't work as well) to force part of the warm air out from under the suit. It's not quite built in air conditioning, but with modern battery tech, that might be worth revisiting.

If that was me who asked about the Transformer suit I am incredibly sorry, I don't tend to ask anybody if it's possible because I know it's almost well impossible. I will be attempting this myself in about a year or so.

100% agree with everything! I legit had a customer who sent me a shaded ref sheet and with my inexperience I forgot to ask them for a flatcoloured ref (I asked them later for one and apparently they don't have one?). I ended up getting two smallish details incorrect due to the shading changing the colour of them making them look lighter.. they were fixed of course but it was a little frustrating. Please, make sure you send in flatcoloured, up to date ref sheets to your makers!

the fursuit maker who got me into making and the fursuit maker whos helped me improve in a video together AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHEN I SAW THIS I COULDNT CLICK FAST ENOUGH i hope to see more colabs with you both in the future

Ou that disappearing suits point hits hard with me. In march i finished two raptor mask commissions, one including a tail. Once they were sent out and arrived, as the usual etsy seller, i was excited for a review, good or bad to see what they thought and if it was good enough. Neither came through unfortunately. I had to reach out to one to ask, but i never got any pictures (They did like the head and tail though) The other i didnt even bother reaching out to. She was incredibly rude with my workflow, and got very upset when it took just over a month to finish, even though i was very verbal about hitting a motivation decline before the fur even arrived, so i just let them be assuming the mask was good enough to not warrant a terrible review. Moral of the story, please dont just disappear with your suit. Something as simple as a few picture or a video makes a maker, especially one as new as myself who rarely gets commissions, so much happier than you could ever imagine. My newest commission, which was a free gift dragon head an paws, was given to an animator i used to collab with all the time. They made an unboxing video, and i find myself going back to rewatch it, because seeing how happy they were with Kida makes me so unnecessarily happy

one thing i hate is when someone buys a premade from you ( that you have just spent days weeks making) and then they just distroy it. or then decide to sell it on for more money than what they paid for it. :(

Rando: You look like Telephone. Neffertity: WELL DO YOU HAVE EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I usually trace free-to-use bases just because the quality of the image can usually be pretty bad once I screenshot it, and then it's also hard to draw with. I always make sure to keep the watermark in it though! I never have bad intentions while doing so, and it's only so that teh quality can be at its highest!

I've had most of these... I had one particular one which was a "dragon" for a little girl. The she gave me 3 different looking refs and gave me artistic liberty for it. She got a head, (dinomask base), feet, hands, and wings for just under $400. Her mom then gave me an extremely poor review and wanted a refund because it wasn't perfect. I offered to change it and fix anything for free and she said no still.

“hey skay can yoo make me free furry costume i want it pls i have no monz thanks” lol great video guys, people ask me for free art all the time so i feel the pain xD

number 9 is honestly 99% of why I'm making my own suit... I dont post pics on social media, at all, since i left social media to be present in the real world. I wear the premade i bought to events and festivals, but not really for pictures. Maybe that'll change when it's my own sona, but i just feel bad. If you want pics and to see how it's doing, please ask for them, for real. some of us just aren't online people :(

Tbh if/when I do order a fursuit I'd only be worried about it not looking like the character, I personally love the imperfections, it's what makes them even more unique.

add-on to number 6: i saw people stealing designs and post them on raffle posts. they’re very crunchy and theyre always from a very recgonizeable designer

The excitement in Neffertity's voice at the beginning makes me happy to :3

there is something beautifully hilarious about having people rant and rage and the suit head is just 😀

Have you guys had anyone use "covid" as an excuse for a free fursuit over quarantine? Lol

Are you using a headphone mic inside your suit head? That’s such a good idea, I always wonder how suitors get clear audio

I think the best offer I've ever had in return for a fursuit was a sentimental plushie. Unfortunately I don't think they were joking haha!

The disappearing fursuit must be super common. There are so many suits featured in various different people videos titled like Most amazing fursuits or Most out of this world design where you see a fully made suit likely displayed by the maker and then you never ever see it anywhere ever. And no one can find out where these most amazing creative insane productions ended up lol.

Right at 3:57 *perfectly cut off scream* At least for me, because an ad came directly after and I burst out laughing.

Idk how y'all do it, but you both and all fursuit makers have my respect!!!

im so happy my two favorite fursuit makers are doing a video together!

Ruffled feathers and salty sky This is them combined I love this

I wonder what would happen if these two (the best fersuit creators on earth) made a suit together 😳😳🤯🤯

Yay you did a collab with Neffertity! I love watching both of your fur suit making vids!

15:15 I can relate to that. There was this customer who would not answer my messages for days and I have never seen that suit sense...

Note on number 8: I've had this happen before with parts that I was asked to make, but someone once asked me to make a bodysuit to go with their matching head and offered to send me swatches of the furs they used and everything, but the reference they sent me was WAY too complicated (as per how it goes), being a super small underground maker I offered to remake their ref sheet more fursuit friendly for free (because I'm personable like that, obviously I don't do this anymore and sadly have to punish the whole class because of this one person), they were SUPER cool with that so I spent days remaking this 3 angle ref sheet, they were super communicative the whole time telling me what they liked/didn't like or what parts of the design they wanted to keep etc, and after I sent them the digital file for their FREE ref sheet they discontinued the conversation and I never heard from them again. 🥴 I can only imagine they took my beautiful free ref sheet and commissioned other art with it because I never EVER saw it again. I was so heartbroken over my hard work (at the time) that I took it off my social medias. Super sad deal. I think they just wanted a free ref sheet that wasn't drawn from a base. I had in my bios that ref sheets come with the suits I make because I was trying to promote my artwork as MUCH as possible. I don't care as much now lol, if someone likes my stuff and wants to talk about it that's cool but if not I'm over here doing my own thing for me. Taking commissions proved to be so much of a hassle that I only do gift artwork or stuff for friends and family now. 😭

Two of my favourite furries /makers in one video =^)))))))))))))

It’s why I ask for business cards when I can’t afford at the moment that way when I save up I have the information I need to try and commmision

The short time I have been watching people on the amino I have seen a few people asking for a fursuit for amino credits which is basically them asking for it for free.

I'm a fursuit maker and one of my classmates is a furry No one really talks to me and I kinda have no friends But the only reason this guy came to talk to me is because I made fursuits to make it even worse he asked me if I can make him a free one I was pretty mad-

16:33. yall know she serious when she break out the angry eyes

i trace f2u bases sometimes bc i just want the lines to match with the extra stuff ill add uwu, i always credit tho never say that im the artist when im clearly not (my art is shitty thats why i use bases qwq)

I made a 70s style fursuit head, tail and paws. It cost not much, just about $200. It took me a hot minute and when I gave it they said they didn't like the style, thought it was asked for

I swear when neffertity said DO YOU HAVE EYEBALLS that killed me

THESE ARE MY TWO FAVORITE FURSUIT MAKERS I LOVE YALL

I see alot of free to use bases for ref sheets and I began to understand why they trace it,usually the lines are too thin to color or mabey hard to see

Who else busted out laughing when Neffertity shouted "DO YOU HAVE EYEBALLS?"

Im in and out of the furry fandom alot, so when I saw Neffertity my brain went to work to figure out who they were, I knew the name so well, but it was on the tip of a braincell lmfao I knew the moment I looked their name up

3:57 that part ✨BUEAW✨

I find it insane that people still think its ok to ask some one "hi can you do this for free?", "its so expensive why cant you do it for free?!" your wasting the artists, makers time and its supper rude. Also I am really enjoying your video's keep making people smile.

amazing editing job, gosh Neffy (I've never seen this suit before clearly I'm missing out on good stuff) your suit looks so cute and smiley and bright. Your guys's suits go together so well with Skye's lighter design and Neffy's darker, brighter design. Wonderful video

I mean it wouldve been perfect IF THEY HAD ENOUGH TALENT TO MAKE THEMSELVES A SUIT :)

Thank you so much for including my wonderful friend Neffy! ^_^ a wonderful video and some wonderful info. ^_^

I LOVE how neffertity just said "I Just WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH"

I'm not a fursuit maker myself, but Its nice to know what not to do when requesting a fursuit, especially the refrence sheet part.

I had a really bad commission One person bought a portal fursuit from me and, after two months I finish the fursuit and he told me "oh I'm not a furry anymore! So can you just please give me all the money back?" I told them that I will retorn him back only 40% because I use this money to buy a fabrics and all He sneakily told me that I will go to the jail if I will not going to send him back all 100% of the money! After five months he take only the 40% that I told him and he just gives a bad recommendation about me After all I had to remade my profile in Instagram and now you can see there only my fursuit and artwork, and I trying not take more commissions but some times I do

Excellent video! Also could do with a "10 things fursuit commissioners should do" sequel video to this, like research faux fur colour availability (spent a year tracking down the exact AliExpress listing for the specific colour of my fullsuit), be involved with the shaping process by providing suggestions on how to achieve out-there ideas (ie: sketching wing mechanisms and such for the fursuit maker so that they have a better idea of what functionality you want), and most importantly: *don't nag.* Fursuits take time to be made!

No but serously that dragon fursuit is the cutest

I haaaaate my style being compared to other’s styles! HAAAAATE. I’ve gotten all of these things (except DTDs) as a comics artist.

First of all, thank you so much for this video! I will be submitting my FIRST EVER fursuit order on wednesday, so I'm gonna use this as a 'how not to act' video and just do the opposite of the people you both encountered. Also your suits are both SUPER CUTE! ... I do confess though when I was in high school, I WAS going to try and order a suit that went from bipedal digitigrade to quadsuit if I bent over before realizing that would be wicked hard XD Maybe one day I'll try and make something like that myself! But commissioning a maker? Nah, not putting them through that lol

I would love to see air conditioning in fursuits but there are lots of problems involved 1, size 2, weight 3, noise 4, power 5, cold air distribution 6, hot air dissipation 7, unit placement

There is a system that firefighters use to keep cool, it's ironically called cool suit. It has a suitcase sized box that contains the cooling systems and the suit has tubing inside of it. So cool water from the box is pumped into the coolsuit circulated the back to the cooling systems. It is expensive, bulky, but the wearer is cooler.

Rewatching this video after spending WAY to much time on Skye's website I'm so glad she's addressed almost all of this on it.

I never thought my two favorite makers would be in one vid!!!!! Awesome!!!

about the tracing the bases, a while ago i did not know how to insert a base so i would trace the base but still give credit to the base maker and then colour it, but now i have learned how to insert a base

Such a cute duo! Hard to not smile watching you two :)

2:33 there is an unintentional pun here

No dislikes. Keep it that way

She take her time makeing fursuit i kinda take alot of time making fursuit still working on my fox fursuit

i will make sure to keep all of this in mind when i commotion my fursona to a fursuit maker!! this was very helpful and i hope both you have a wonderful day!! or night!! :3

I love you and Neff, Neff is always so helpful and kind

This was the sweetest collar ever oml!!

The adds kept cutting off every time neff screamed or screeched and I can’t get over how it cut her off 😂😂

This is the first time I've seen a suit by Neffertity and she's so adorable!!

I love the way she just said "BWAAAAAA" ❤️

3:45 time stamped is so funny😂. Like “LXKHTDSAX, DO YOU HAVE EYEBALLS?!?! AAARRRGGGGGHHHH!”😂

I hate when someone buys a fursuit for you that took forever then they say, post, and boast that THEY made it

That last point is just absolutely correct I'm not a maker and I also get the fact that it can be expensive but you should be expecting that because of the work of art they do also the fact that it's like everywhere else you want something you buy it

The whole time I was watching Neffertitys ears move lol. both of your fur suits look amazing!

Omg, number 10. Early on, someone who I once considered a friend asked if she could make payment plans of $300 worth of fursuit parts. She wanted to have the parts immediately though, so she could give them to her kids for Christmas. Figuring she was a friend, I agreed. Nope! Never saw a cent. So now I will ALWAYS require half payment upfront, and the rest before delivery, no matter who they are. Feels horrible to have trusted someone like that and then have the ruin it.

sometimes (and when i say sometimes i mean maybe once bc im a lazy artist just tryna get a pattern down) i trace free to use bases but still always trace the credit and their stuff, usually just bc a lot of them arent transparent or dont translate well or are really low quality so i just trace the lines and tbh its way easier than trying to color on the same layer, and it just looks bad lol like u can clearly see what was added

When I was younger, just getting into the fandom, I would trace. I felt bad too, thank god I stopped tho cuz now I can make my own art lol

I thought you meant it was bad for suitmakers to make suits for free of their own volition and I was so confused at first lol

Yo congrats to me for my 2 favorite fursuit makers doing a callable!

7:04 boi forgot hes not asking a proto maker

When I was the school mascot in highschool (basically a cheap full body fursuit) and they had a full vest MADE OF ICE PACKS to keep me cool along with the head fan. I wonder if I would be able to find something like that to wear in a proper fursuit.

Yay,two of my fav furries doing a collab

Me: *A Fursuiter* Also me: *doesn’t sell my fur suits* AGAIN ME: I can kind of relate ;v;

I think people trace free-to-use bases because they don't have the right tools to just color it in as it is or maybe they wanted to make a change that wasn't on the original one so they traced it.

2 of my favorite KZfaqrs in one video!? Yes please!