You could argue that the reason Alice in Wonderland was more successful than the movies that followed it was that it wasn't a remake. It was a sequel in which an adult Alice returns to Wonderland years after her original adventure. It was telling a new story instead of retelling a story people had already seen.

1st rule of a cinematic universe "You do NOT tell everyone that you're making a cinematic universe." 2nd rule of a cinematic universe: "You do NOT imitate the MCU."

I don't think I would have used Quicksilver's fight in XMen: Days of Future Past as a bad example of using bullet time. That particular character was practically made for bullet time. It was easily the best scene in DoFP (which was a decent flick) is was also the ONLY redeemable part of X-Men: Apocalypse

They wouldn't have these problems if they cast Nicholas Cage in every role

Wow, the "let's try to convert every YA Book franchise" didn't make the list.

Solo: A Star Wars Story wasn't bad because they recast Han Solo, it was bad because it was useless. We *didn't want* an explanation of Han Solo, the mystery of his story was part of the charm! How they didn't learn *that* lesson from the prequels is the real mystery.

Here's two more from the MCU: Sarcastic quips undermining any kind of cinematic tension - The Avengers. It was done well in that movie because it was part of those characters and it fit the overall tone. They were serious when they needed to be. Fiege then took that as a cue to turn all the characters and movies into extensions of that. Comedies wrapped up in action - The Guardians of the Galaxy. One of my personal favorite trilogies, but it was another turning point for the MCU. What Gunn understood is that the comedy is character driven, and it only makes up one part of that character. Nowadays Fiege/Disney are just making inconsequential sit-coms Edit: I understand that these points are very similar. I don't want to write paragraphs on their distinctions

I really enjoyed Equilibrium. It has great "Matrix-ish" action without "bullet-time".

Darth Kath throwing Ehrenreich under the bus is just another example for her being unable to actually understand why "her" Star Wars doesn't sit well with fans. I think Ehrenreich did a decent job trying to channel Ford in his portrayal of a young Han Solo. That wasn't the problem with the movie. The movie's main problem was the last SW movie that came out before it....

Solo wasn't bad because of the recast, the actual story needed to be much better. As for Alice In Wonderland, I enjoyed that sequel movie.

What about when THE FORCE AWAKENS made everyone believe that nostalgia is the new way to make legacy sequels?

The crazy think about Alice in Wonderland is that it wasn't actually a live action remake, was it? It's more of a sequel. Also, shaky cam really came into its own with found footage films. Why didn't they get a shout out? The Blair Witch Project was a ginormous success and there's suddenly a swarm of knockoffs.

For me the biggest problem with Solo wasn't that they recast Han Solo. It was the fact that they had all the same characters from other movies as Tie in's to the story. Its supposed to be a big universe yet the same groups are involved in everything over and over again.

Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings films. Have a dark and serious tone. Which made sense. Since the books introduction, it wanted to have the fantasy genre in books made for adults than children. It's tone felt organic, not forced.

Josh, how could you leave out Blair witch with the found footage?

A little defense for Hunger Games with that particular sequence. It was supposed to be the first battle in the game with a lot of melee and confusion for Katniss, so I think that scene, done with shaky cam, makes sense as a storytelling tool. Can't remember anything about the other fight scenes in the series though, so you may be right about it being overused everywhere else.

The Avengers made everyone believe that out of place gags is essential for a successful blockbuster

I agree, not everything has to be darker and edgier to be enjoyable. Sometimes, we just want to switch our brains off momentarily, and watch something light and fluffy.

If The Mummy reboot had succeeded, it would have been fairly in line with what Universal did with their monster films back in their golden age. Frankenstein met the Mummy met the Wolfman met Dracula, so it could have been a fine idea. I wonder if it would have made more sense to start with a character that HADN'T had a beloved series in the past couple of decades.

Remaking the Mummy: how to make League of Extraordinary Gentlemen look like a niche masterpiece. 😃

"Don't recast legacy characters" was definitely the wrong lesson. Look at Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. That show recast Pike, Spock, Number One, M'Benga, Chapel, Uhura, just to name a few and is widely acclaimed. It's almost as if telling a good story is enough.

The problem is that when somebody has a hit everyone wants to copy it. You can re-cast iconic characters I mean they did it with War Machine… not everything needs to be a cinematic universe, but something’s do there needs to be more variety in the film market place. It should be like going to the grocery store and seeing the ice cream session whatever you in the mood for there’s an ice cream for it, and that should be the same mindset for current movies. The thing with the CTID aging thing is, it should be what it is a nice little wink to the audience and it should be kept secret. The main problem is we know how Louis ends before leaving if we were to just scale back like 80% and come out with just a trailer that’s it people would lose their minds especially if it’s good

Thanks for the List and Video 😀

Entire careers have been made on learning all the wrong lessons from movies.

A fine list, sir.

If Matell and Warner Bros can do a good job with a Masters of the Universe movie, then I'm all for it.

A lot of horror movies that immediately followed "Saw" really didn't get why that movie worked so well and why it has continued to stand the test of time despite being filmed on a very small budget in approximately 3 weeks. So "torture porn" became a thing bc graphic deaths became the priority for so many horror movies over the story and characters.

Alice in Wonderland worked bc of Depp’s star power at the time and he seemed perfect for the role. Now Disney casts almost no-names in starting roles and hopes for the best.

I hope the UNO movie is in the style of a war movie because nobody ends a game of UNO without fighting with each other 😂

Film makers: "How did you like the little pinch of salt we added to the soup?" Us:"It was good." Film makers: "From here on out you shall receive nothing but the purest, grittiest NaCl we can synthesize in our lab. And maybe we add a drop of soup to your pile of salt" Us: "Here we go again."

I think the main reason they used the shaky camera effect in The Hunger Games was that no one wanted to see the deaths in detail . Most of the deaths in that movie were obscured or hidden from view.

The biggest problem with the DCEU is that Warner Brothers rushed everything to try and catch up immediately with the MCU.

How about instead of either recasting characters or bringing them back through CGI, you don't bring them back at all? I know, I know. That's a crazy concept. But do we really need fan service cameos in every Star Wars film? The universe created is expansive enough that they should be using it to tell new stories instead of constantly pulling from a cast of characters created almost 50 years ago.

Gotta love how modern trends make memories extremely short. The movie(s) that taught Hollywood to make more movies off of toy products was Transformers, decades before Barbie was even thought of as a movie property. Of course, they didn't learn the lesson then, and should have when immediately following the Transformers success, they released Battleship. Mattel should have learned from Hasbro's mistakes.

I imagine in a parallell universe there's a video by their WhatCulture titled "Opportunities missed by Hollywood" using these 10 same examples. Meaning? Hindsight = 20/20.

You forgot to add that Mattel would love us to see PlayDoh: the movie

Not sure which movie caused the trend, but I remember a time where movies usually had a runtime under 2 hours. While there are movies out there worth 2 hours of my life and attention, many would benefit from more concise storytelling. That's my opinion. Have a nice day!

Okay, the Universal Studios monster cinimatic universe didn't start with the Tom Cruise Mummy remake. It actually started with I, Frankenstein. When that movie bombed they decided to have Dracula: Untold be the new start instead. Also a Hot Wheels movie could actually work. Maybe do a mix of Wacky Races and The Fast and the Furious.

I mean, I could see a Hot Wheels movie. Fast and Furious is up to it's 10th entry after all.

It'd be hilarious if Mattel brought in the whole cast of the Fast & Furious franchise for Hot Wheels and then made the whole thing wholesome. If you were coming from F&F you'd spend the whole film waiting for the other shoe to drop and it WOULDN'T.

We forgot: Paranormal activity made every horror movie think it needed to be a found footage film. And: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows made every series based on books think they could justify two movies as a finale.

Speak for yourself, I for one wanted the Dark Universe and am greatly disappointed that we won’t be getting it

You forgot the original Hollywood trope trend: After Star Wars, everything was "It's like Star Wars, but...". Even James Bond went into space with Moonraker.

Speaking of John Wick... Every action movie has to have the same style of fighting/choreography/editing. See also: Extraction, Grey Man, Old Guard, Atomic Blonde, Nobody, Kate, Voltage, Bullet Train, etc.

Didn't Disney start doing the remakes because Walt Disney himself wanted their films to be redone every other generation?

Meta- I know Deadpool breaking the 4th wall is his thing, but in Hollywood, Wolf of Wall Street did it 3 years before

I can think of two wrong lessons that Hollywood learned from movies. One: After the success of "There's Something About Mary" and its gross-out narrative, Hollywood thought that gross was funny, and instead of making a genuinely funny film where the gross elements are part of the joke, but not the actual joke itself, many films were released where they were just gross, but not funny. Many films by Sacha Baron Cohen, Will Ferrell, and Adam Sandler come to mind, as well as other films by the Farrelly Brothers. Two: After the success of "Resevoir Dogs," and to a greater extent, "Pulp Fiction," many films thought that all they needed to do was play the film out of sequence, give the characters silly names, punch up the violence, and make the dialogue quirky, and that's a recipe for success. Many tried, and many failed! "Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead," anyone?

Are we finally getting another live-action Thomas? I am scared for the answer.

A Top 10 films that were better in 3D (or similar) would be quite interesting

I'm glad you mentioned The Bourne supremacy.... I always thought the first film was far superior to the later movies... You could actually see what was going on. And Bourne wasn't an energizer bunny propelled by magic. But then every movie, including bond just copied the later movies.

You bring up some pretty good points. Likely why I don't like to watch movies anymore. I did like Nolan's Batman. I got tired of the silly stuff. What do you call Campy?

Somebody really said Han Solo was more popular than Obi Wan and they should've been fired on the spot...Solo was the least anticipated film on that list of possible projects and the fact that resources went to it instead of the Obi Wan Kenobi movie we clearly wanted is criminal. Somebody wanted the fan to like who they liked instead and it showed...

Amazing Spiderman is no way "dark & gritty", also that style is Snyder's MO

I loved Man Of Steel. I never liked The Big Blue Boy Scout until that movie. Many writers have gone dark with Kal-El, like Brian Michael Bendis and Mark Millar. In fact, Millar's dark adult storytelling is also where we got Samuel L. Jackson's Nick Fury in the MCU. It was 1941-1956 Superman fans who whined & complained that their "hopeful" character was too dark. Before America's involvement in WWII, Superman was an anti-hero who beat up criminals. DC did the "truth, justice, and the American way" thing as patriotic propaganda with their most popular character then began adding powers to him, eventually making him the godlike character he is today.

If my memory serves the shaky cam revolution started with the Homicide TV show (1993-1999) and jumped to the cinema with the Blair Witch Project (1999).

10 Times Hollywood Learned The Wrong Lesson from tv shows like Family Guy or Friends

Alice in Wonderland wasn't a remake, nor was it a movie. It was a reinvention (and THEN it had its sequel, through the looking glass, which I liked more). It doesn't follow very closely either the Disney animated or the original stories. It was with Beauty & the Beast (that was very successful) that they truly got into the remake craze. This is a great list, by the way, nailed it in everyone! But I'd contest Free Guy in #9, it's not "meta" but plain satire. And there's still a lot of room for this kind of movie (like the Spiderverse ones).

9:27 which movie is that?

I actually do want a Ken solo film if it's anything like the Barbie movie.

Coming soon: "MAJOR MATT MASON, MATTEL'S MAN IN SPACE!" Now that one, I might actually go to see.

Disney should re-release the classics in theaters, BUT, require lowered costs. They would clean up, with parents wanting their kids to experience the magic in a theater. And the lowered cost would she Disney knows families are struggling under inflation.

101 Dalmatians was one of the first Disney live action movies made right?

I would think "shakey cam" started with Batman Begins.

Yes The Dark Knight was quite dark but a lot of the dark moments were backed up by well lit moments. Look at the interrogation scene in the clip you've used, Batman is the only dark element visually. Hell there is a scene were Joker burns half the mobs money (and their accountant) and it is brighter than you remember because the scene has a 3 story fire in the middle of it.

Toy Story - Just make it all CGI

Technically "Bullet Time" was not VFX It was a practically shot In-Camera effect

Excellent list. Two comments: (1) X-Men Time in a Bottle shows how to slow the action down brilliantly. (2) [Stolen from Radio 4: Barbie 2 The Wrath of Ken

Isn't 101 Dalmatians consider a remake? The 96 version not the Cruella one

What movie? 12:02

Alien Covenant!!!!!! God damnit Noomi Rapace should be in everything

- Gritty & dark was around long before The Dark Knight. - the only good 3D I've seen is: Avatar, Gravity, and Dredd. (Dredd was also good in having a credible bullet-time-ish visuals: the slo-mo drug.) - Wasn't the shaky-cam trend begun by either Saving Private Ryan and Blair Watch Project?

Nostalgia

I always considered Cinderella as being the start of the live action remakes. Alice in Wonderland was too different from the source material. Cinderella is certainly the only good live action adaptation so far.

Ok but someone make a Hungry Hungry Hippos movie…. But make it HORROR 😂

My partner did come up for a great idea for the Uno movie. Make it an 18 rated thriller, even coming up with a lien “Take 4 motherfucker.” And shoot someone 4 times.

Yay, it's Josh!

Deadpool ain’t my thing but read a comic sometime. There totally is room for being meta and breaking the fourth wall with Deadpool. Like it or not, there is room for it because even before the first Deadpool movie it existed in more than just Deadpool.

Mario and Barbie means a million Toy and Video Game movies in the next 10 years

What matrix version is that? its way less green than the original, i havent come across it

what's funny is the Dark Knight comic also usher in a era of over the top dark storylines in super hero comics which is something Frank Miller hated

I agree with the take on the mattel movies, though, we can't really judge, because I am certain, nobody expected anything from the barbie movie, but if they can get good directors and good scripts, it could actually work just fine

First Blood was 40 years ago? Damn I'm old.

i hate shaky cam movies. it doesn't give me a headache or make me sick but it's just distracting.

the one lesson they haven't learned: tell good stories.

Another thing that they misunderstood is MCU doesn’t mean any superhero hero is money. Marvel movies are just saying they can be more powerful imaginative in adventure movies and shows. There is no Superhero trend

3D has not been that prevalent in recent years so I'd say studios have learned their lesson

I thought the top 10 lessons not learned list just comprised fast & furious 1 through 10.

I'd add the Twilight series splitting the last book into two movies. All the book series adaptations had to follow suit.

The problem with the whole list is is that the Studio's number one objective is to maximize profits so they'll often jump on any Trend that looks like it's going to increase short-term profitability... This is why we get a shity spawn movie along with other franchises that if you were to actually truly represent the true material then it would have an R rating. The studio doesn't feel like they'll make the profit that they want to. As pointed out with Deadpool in which they didn't believe the movie would make that much money because an R rating and would reduce on the kids who could watch it because that was perceived to be the target market... Always remember that the studios are only concerned with one objective, MAXIMIZED PROFITS!

None of those meta film examples are bad apart from Space Jam, also the multiverse exists in the MARVEL comics so they're just translating it to the screen

But recast worked for Mad Max Fury Road

Tarzan, Shenna Queen of the Jungle, Charlie Chan, Dracula, Frankenstein, Werewolf, Dorothy. Witch, Sherlock Holmes, Alice in Wonderland, Helen Keller, Joan of Arc, Cleopatra, King Arthur, Robin Hood, Superman, Batman and James bond have been recast many times successfully although are not always successful.

4: OMG, I've been discussing this lately! Observing how the ANIMATED movies have been progressing, showing better morals and values to match modern ideals, including stronger, more independent women (gone is the damsel in distress trope), then we get these live action remakes rewinding the clock, LOL! For strong women, Little Mermaid is the worst of the post-Walt time, and the live remake updated almost nothing! WHY remake it if you aren't going to add value? Both versions have Ariel (newly named by Disney, BTW FYI) abandon her most valuable asset (the live action version diluted this by mixing up mermaids and sirens, making it now just a mermaid feature, they all have magical siren song, not just a nice singing voice) AND the defining feature of her species (her tail) AND leave the people and world she knows and loves, just to chase after a guy, a stranger she only really knows is cute (and the surface world she's been curious about, fine). Just a TERRIBLE message, seeking True Love with someone who just as easily could have been a terrible person, for all she knew. And being fixated on change, Grass Is Always Greener, what you have never being enough. Compare this with one of the latest animated movies, Encanto, where most of the cast and activity is among strong, independent women, and the only romance angle is a vaguely unromantic somewhat arranged marriage which is the most background storyline it could possibly be. MUCH stronger more admirable message, especially for little girls. I've realized/it occurred to me, the live action movies aren't targeted at kids, they're targeted at the adults who grew up on them, who are attracted to seeing the story they know and love, but in a new light (just, let's not get into Disney's pandering token casting).

If Hollywood didn't recast Iconic characters then the Bond movies would have ended with Sean Connery, Buster Crabbe would be the only Tarzan and Logusi would be Dracula forever and Lee would be looking for other work.

Wait, no found footage? Blair Witch, and rec theb led to the likes of Paranormal Activity wringing that cliche dry.

I have never heard the word bevy used so much

I think iron man needs to be higher on the list because the cinematic universe thing has literally become such a problem marvel is basically self cannibalizing itself trying to keep it going and making itself and basically slowly turning itself into one of the worst ones now since it won't stop.

About #2, with Mattel and the Barbie movie...look, most of those movies don't sound interesting at all. But Mattel still owns He-Man and Mighty Max, right? And Hot Wheels? Yeah, I could see those been worthwhile. Even Polley Pocket could be fun.

I'm confused by the Disney's ongoing financial struggle. They are making more than $1billion a year profit even with the current cash drain from launching Disney+. I'd be very happy to have such struggles in my life.

Rambo was a political film about ptsd and the failure of the va and govt.