The first would also shut down the idiots who are constantly claiming that Luke was planning to join the Empire at one point since he wanted to go to "the academy", despite clearly saying that he hates it, even in the theatrical release.

I have an early copy of the script which includes that scene, and has an actress calling Luke by the nickname "Wormy".

@@3Rings4ElvenKings Yeah, I think "Wormie" is Luke's nickname in the novelization too

It's a great scene, but there's just no place for it to fit comfortably in the first act without slowing the movie down or maintaining continuity (since it's set before the Jawas come to the Lars homestead).

@@3Rings4ElvenKings I believe that was Camie, who would have been played by Koo Stark. Both Camie and her boyfriend Fixer appeared in an episode of The Book of Boba Fett.

That one scene would of changed the film's entire tone?

Yes…and no. I think where Revenge of the Sith shines is in its operatic storytelling, the inevitable clash of brother against brother when the Chosen One falls from grace and his only family has to put him down. When I was younger, I used to feel like Obi Wan was a bit too much of a yes-man to the Jedi council, too harsh with Anakin and even a bit sanctimonious. The addition of this scene would have given us a moment to realize that, as it turns out, Obi Wan not only loves Anakin but has been silently keeping his carefully guarded secret because he’s on his side to the bitter end. It would have made it that much more devastating when fate chose Obi Wan to put down Anakin.

@@mrdorsch7395 If I'm not mistaken, they hinted at that idea in season 7 of the Clone Wars. I think the idea that obi wan knew (or suspected) their marriage for a long time, which makes a lot more sense regarding the final scene in ROTS.

The novel contains it.

The novel was so good. Even better than the movie imo

It wasn't wide spread knowledge that aniken and padame had kids. They even went as far to show padame still pregnant in her public funeral so people would assume the babies died with her.

@@andressarmiento9676 excellent point, I didn't even consider that, but at the time it wouldn't have done anything to lessen the shock of the twist

@@andressarmiento9676 in the long run though I'm glad it didn't make it past the chopping room so it didn't create another minor plot hole between the two trilogies

I don't see where it would've hurt anything either. After all Anakin was a renowed hero of the war so there are bound to be some gray beards around that fought beside him. Also Skywalker can't be that common of a surname. When you stop and think all the twist did was make Anakin the main character of story over Luke.

@@andressarmiento9676 Yes, that does seem hard to explain. Also, we know now that Anakin and the other Jedi generally fought alongside clones, which that person is not. Maybe he was on a planet where Anakin had one of his special missions? And I don’t know, maybe Biggs put two and two together and figured out the connection through speculation? Luke may have repeated things Ben told him about his father being a great pilot during the clone wars. And Biggs may have heard stories about the clone wars about “Anakin Skywalker”. And he may have just assumed because of the last name that he had figured out who Luke’s father was. (And it wouldn’t be too surprising if he was totally ignorant about Padme and the circumstances of her death). Biggs may have had to do some convincing for Luke (an unknown person to the rebellion) to jump right into piloting a crucial mission. He may have been bragging about Luke’s flying skills. And embellished that story by saying that his father was the famous Anakin Skywalker, renowned for his piloting skills. I suppose this kind of speculation and embellishment connecting someone to a famous person with the same last name is not that unusual for humans to do, even in the absence of the facts to back it up. I don’t know, that’s the best I can come up with. But that doesn’t mean that either of them knew that Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker were one and the same.

I got the CD set of that. There's also extended conversation between Luke and Obi-Wan.

Remember, they also cut 30 minutes from new hope, 48 minutes from empire strikes back, return of jedi was rewritten from middle to end of movie and shortened by 2 1/2 hours

They could also have filmed him back in Obi-Wan's hut, finding the tools and components he needed, prior to embarking on the mission to save Han. Him not responding to Vader's "force call" could've resulted in a parody scene in which Vader gets an outgoing message like, "Hey, this is Luke. Leave a message. *beeeep*" Or, "The Jedi you are trying to contact is disconnected or no longer in service...." lol

It should have been renamed Revenge of the Silly.

Instead all we get is "You're a slave?" "I'm a PERSON and my name is ANAKIN!" outburst alluding to his unruly nature.

Wait, that little shitsplat Rodian kid in Phantom menace was Greedo?! Like the same greedo that ends up on the wrong side of Solo's Dl44?

@@stinkyfungus I guess he never learned not to mess with a dude's vehicle.

Yes good one. A bit more subtle child agro from young Anakin might have sewn into his back story. As it is the poor actor who played him has a world now best left to his own privacy rather than exposing here

@@brentoncoppick3922 English not your first language?

I don't understand why that pilot couldn't have fought alongside Luke's father.

The scene is in Special Editions, minus pilot talking about fighting alongside Luke Father. Lucas obviously cut it out for obvious reasons. However, Lucas original pitch was a big epic story that spanned generations. Unfortunately it would have been too long to film. So he took all the good stuff and made one movie, the unused material became backstory hints. But Luke and Vader certainly weren’t related at the time. George didn’t know if he would even get to do a sequel. The original text crawl didn’t even have an episode V: A New Hope. Once Lucas realized Star Wars was a hit, it was then he began solidifying his back story and future of the series.

The pilot could've easily fought with Anakin before Attack of the Clones. Even as far back as Phantom Menace. He could've been one of the Naboo pilots which works for the timeline, putting him in his late teens or early 20s and in his 50s in a new hope, and even makes logical sense since Padme was from Naboo and would've had followers from there that opposed the Empire.

All Red Leader (Garven Dreis) says is "I met your father once when I was just a boy. He was a great pilot, if you've got half the skill he had you'll do alright". This fits fine with what Obi-Wan says early in the movie and the actor (Drew Henley) was 37 at the time so could easily have met Anakin during the prequel era.

I suppose it’s because only obi wan and bail organa would have known that Luke and leia were definitely Annakin’s children, and only a few people knew that darth Vader was annakin. If both of those things were common knowledge, the twist wouldn’t have worked.

Hoth? It should have been called Coldth

The NPR radio versions of the original trilogy include the scenes of Luke with his friends on Tatooine at the start of A new hope. It's all a bit 'rebel without a cause' though.

@@ducknorris233 stop it

​@@GafftheHorseBeing based on the script rather than in the final film itself, the novelization includes it as well.

​@@HolothurionAs does the original Marvel comic book adaptation.

The whole scene was also in the oversize comic released at the time of the movie. It also had the later added Jabba/Han scene with fett, but Jaba was drawn as a humanoid looking more like an older walrus-man

@@hughkills and in the novelisation if memory serves

I think Biggs and Luke are in the SE, but the commander isn't.

How would he fought with Anakin? The army was made entirely of clones. That would imply that the guy was a clone

@@peterriverajr6899 Maybe he was a clone, maybe he was a starship officer... maybe he was a jedi that quit :D but the Old Republic Destroyers and Acclamaters did have bridge crews and officer crews that werent all clones I believe.

plus he could have been a republic soldier that got a chance to fight alongside anakin at one battle or another

No it could not have been. How would that guy know who Luke is? Who let him in on the secrete that Padme was pregnant by Anikan, or in on the secrete that Obi Wan had hid Anikan's kid on Tatooine? It was only there because Lucas didn't even know that Anikan and Darth Vader were the same person until after this movie. They (he and collaborators) made it up when writing Empire Strikes Back, then retroconned the back story.

The Sandpeople had yet to discover Iphones. They had no idea how to answer something they didn't own, so they panicked when they heard that ringtone howl.

I agree

People say it was political nonsense.. Mmm war is political.. It's called Star Wars.. ofc it is going have political stuff in it...

I completely agree!

Extra points for "whys and wherefores".

@@luceerose818 😉

Even voiced her in Rebels

Yup. Pretty sure it's a Keane song, but can't place it 😂

There is no sequel trilogy rule of two only two trilogies no more no less the original trilogy and the prequel this is the way

I bet Andor is going to deal with that is closer detail in its second season. Have set it up that way in the first season.

Watch Andor.

@@timcrawford9319 Thanks. 😉

It’s covered more thoroughly in the ROTS novelisation. Would totally recommend to read.

The lucky one was Wedge, who has a fair bit of story time in all three OT films.

Exactly. Everyone knew his father was Anakin. The part people didn't know is that Anakin had become Vader. That information was only known by a handful of people, all of which were sworn to secrecy.

Maybe Skywalker is like the Smith of the Star Wars galaxy.

@@Kreeos we've never encountered anyone else with the name in canon besides the 4 Skywalkers. Even in legends I think it's just them and Ben.

In the original draft for Star Wars, Anakin Skywalker and a few surviving Jedi founded the Rebel Alliance and he continued to lead it until he was killed by the traitorous Jedi Darth Vader. The Rebel pilot's monologue apparently hinted at this situation, not the Clone Wars. In the current canon, all of the non-Jedi pilots who could have fought beside Anakin Skywalker in the Clone Wars would have been CLONES, so the scene is even more problematic now.

@@andrewsuryali8540 he flew with the pilots from Naboo in TPM. Hes what, 19 when the clone wars start. You'd be safe in assuming he flew a mission or two in that time between TPM and AotC.

I remember that photo. The Storybook versions of all three movies have photos that are puzzling, as they don't appear in the films. I did a comment based on one of those, the scene of Luke noticing something outside Tattooiine's atmosphere.

and yet Han was the ONLY one who shot

It would have been odd to have Koo Stark playing two roles in the movie. (She also played Camie Loneozner at Tosche Station, in a scene which was filmed but cut from the final print.) Unless for some reason it was supposed to be Camie who had headed off to Mos Eisley to hang out with Solo and co.

I saw the same print opening week, binoculars, Biggs, girl on lap, and Han definitely shot first.

I like this idea

@@jamescox4231 Thanks, friend.

@@jamescox4231 I second that. This is a great idea! sometimes the fans are better writers than the "professionals".

This sounds really good but I think it's better how it is because it gets into it faster and keeps him more mysterious.

Do -NOT- ask for Disney to go back and tweak the OT. Please. For the love of God and all things holy…do not tempt the Darth Mickey!

Red leader and well said

Ditto.

not to mention Too Stark...

Not acording to the seance that was cut buddy

@@pugpug4430 The medical frigate "scene" at the end of ESB shows 2-1B finishing off Luke's cyborg hand and testing its artificial nerves. The cut "scene" in ROTJ shows Luke completing his new "laser sword".

​@Pug Pug there was a scene of him trying to contact ghosts?

@@white-dragon4424 laser sword!!!! No it his new Lightsaber!

@@stevored1989 No, no, "God Lucas" officially calls it a "Laser Sword", so it's now canon. Lucas gushers say his word is final, end of, no arguments.

Kenobi explained that by implying she got that information from him. Not sure if it really suffices but that's the explanation.

I remember hearing, or reading, somewhere that Leah remembered Padme by using her latent use of the force. It was a clunky explanation, but it was the explanation I heard.

Half-brother Owen. Cliegg Lars marries Shmi, as his second wife. Owen is already in his teens or twenties, being from a previous marriage of Cliegg's.

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But lets be realistic Vader would kill the messenger

Leia kisses Luke once, mostly to annoy Han, at a time when no one (including Lucas) knew they would turn out to be related. People make way too big of a deal out of it.

is it on the deleted scenes of the dvd perhaps?

‘Bout yer’

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