Along with brothers in arms: hells highway IMO

Ive been playing hells highway everyday for that 100day achievement. I couldn't agree more. I have a special place in my heart for all the Brothers in arms games

We're all Brothers in Arms

Something to add on the game. If you are attentive enough you notice two kinds of transitions. Fade to white, and fade to black. Devs revealed that if the transition is black, then it is a continuation of Walker's trials through Dubai. But if the transition is white, then then anything you've done before this has been a hallucination in Walker's mind. Heck the Lead Writer said that the starting helicopter scene was the final moments of the main characters lives and Walker is going through the past in his mind.

Minus the fact that they can spend the entire game guilt tripping you despite never once picking a single aggressive choice, the only 'bad' choice you make being using the phosphorous on the civilians, never mind that you spent 10+ minutes holding out before being forced to use it solely to continue the game. And then the answer is a massive copout of "You could have just not played!" Sure devs, I'll just NOT PLAY THE GAME I PAID FOR.

When you walk through the rat tunnels in Vietnam your teammate even asks you, "What the fuck is wrong with you?!" after Mason "spoke" with Reznov.

+Keydiam only cod game that made me feel bad mason was a really tragic character

and the fact in bo2 u get forced as woods to kill him is sad without knowing u could save him

Also if you shoot reznov during the game you won't get the friendly fire warning. However there was something else that wasn't acknowledged in the video which is that if you change the serial numbers into letters you get "or is he dead, there was no body, is he who he says he is".

I shot him in the leg in BLOPS 2. I was doing it as a joke becuase I thought he would die wherever you shot him. I just assumed that Mason can't die until a friend told me that he killed him.

Thank you! How the hell are people missing this?

@@Schytheron I know, right?

That one turret is known as the "Oracle Turret" It also appears stuck in a vacuum tube earlier in the game (when you're forced to transport Wheatley manually)!

Wow 🤯!

OH WOW

Woah, so what does this mean????

@@Briancamposarsenal08 he is being manipulated by some weird magic or idk

That's more of a setup to the twist so it doesn't seem convoluted.

Omg, you're right!

It doesn't matter if it was a set-up so it doesn't seem convoluted; it was still giving away the twist at the very start.

Also when you first meet the Jedi Council, Vrook says 'what if we decide to train this one and the dark lord should return' - major give away

After he says that, Master Vandar (the Yoda species character), says rather sternly that "we should discuss this matter further" basically telling Vrook to shut the fuck up.

Does he say that to the first girl?

+DirkAustin no. He just says to get some Adam from her. not to kill her, but he wants you ti

Bob Jones Then it wasnt the kill trigger code phrase. And we can make more choices. We can even let the splicers and big daddies live if we want to. Only during the bomb creation and Sanders quest to take photos are not choices. We can also let Sanders live or kill him tho. Im just replaying it for Bioshock 2. :)

ANOTHER bioshock foreshadowing is the tapes you find where Ryan and the prostitute talks about their illegitimate child. After hearing those I was pretty certain they applied to jack, because who else could it have been?

+DirkAustin it isn't a kill code, it is a comand code. this is shown when Atlus tells you to put the genetic code key. you know he is controlling you at this point, but you do it any way

Thanks!

Plot twist these are all the spoilers

You're the hero we all need

You are the hero Gotham deserves.

You can do it in Arkham Asylum as well. There's a brief moment where you see him in a cell & notice no skeletal structure when detective mode is activated.

Yes. It's really cool when you play through it again. There's also some false choices that are really cleverly positioned.

wow, did not know that. now i have to check :)

It's in chapter 8, there is a tree that you walk past and go yup some stairs, when you reach the top turn around and the tree will be dead

Did not realize this. How did you find this?

Huh, interesting. Just 1000/1000'ed it last week, and still I never knew this. Probably because I was concentrating on not dying in possibly the hardest 'hardest difficulty' I've ever completed...

HOLY SHIT

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Holy shit THANK YOU! You actually mentioned the two Big Bosses part, so I don't see what part of this twist was really stupid. What other way was there to explain what happened in the first two games? Interestingly enough though, none of these were the hints I had in realizing that we weren't playing the real Boss (John). What gave it away at first... was that for some reason Ishmael sounded like Kiefer Sutherland. Knowing that he was supposed to play the Boss, I wondered why exactly that was the case. Really though, going deeper into the shoes of Venom really made me forget about that, so the reveal was still surprising to me anyway, but then I kicked myself hard for not having stuck with that initial suspicion anyway.

+artcellrox I think people were mad because it didn't give the real Big Boss any motivation for MG1 and 2 and didn't give him any humanizing moments, because it was a doppelganger experiencing it all. What they failed to understand is the other prequel games already did that, it was never "He's just evil and wants to rule the world" Ever since MGS3 we found out his entire motivation was being manipulated into killing his mentor, the only person who gave him reason to live, by the US and Russian governments. Everything else after that point was him miscontruing her words. The entire point of him doing what he did was to take power away from the people who used people as pawns with no regard whatsoever and to take away their Nuclear option so he could use them himself as a safeguard, to ensure no one could stop him. MGSV:TPP was to explain why BB survives 1 and to establish the world leading up to MG1. How was BB able to make Outer Heaven while working for the US government? Doppelganger. How did BB survive being killed in MG1? Doppelganger Why did no one have Nukes allowing BB to be the only one with them. The events of MGSV pushed the governments into dismantling their weapons so no one could arm any PMC or third world country, all while BB stockpiled some for his plans. The twist was a bit cheesy, sure, but it explained everything perfectly, sans the whole Konami screwing over Kojima so it was technically an unfinished game. And having the events of MGSV happen to Venom Snake makes perfect sense. Why would a doppelganger be willing to sacrifice his identity and willing to die for BB in MG1 even after learning the truth? Because he experienced what BB went through allowing him to empathize with him. I mean the mission, "Shining Lights Even in Death" was enough to show the torture BB had to go through. So when BB comes to Venom and says "I want to prevent anything like this ever happening again" Of course he's going to sign up.

I also thought of the twist being as a nod to the player from Kojima, among all the other story reasons presented. You create your character in the game. You, the player, have been there to make mgs what it is. A subtle 'thank you' to his long time fans.

That was very well explained. Thank you, Zero.

I stayed playing that game with no knowledge of anything before and honestly I didn't think much of it.. so maybe that's on me for not reading more into it

You are wrong The villain is the government So come back to the story and understand it well It is the reason behind everything that happened Everyone died because of the American government

It also reconciles big boss being te villian in metal gear 1 and 2 it was just killing both of them

@@DrEldlich You're only right poetically. The first term I used to describe Big Boss was 'antagonist' because that's exactly what he was early on in the franchise; the antagonist to Solid Snake's protagonist. Again though, Big Boss was a villain, using the suffering of others for his own gains. If you step back, he's really a monster who just believes he's doing the right thing, using all sorts of bad methods to achieve what he thinks is a good goal. He hides behind 'the ends justify the means' when they clearly don't. He creates new suffering just to perpetuate war, claiming that it's to make a paradise for soldiers, consequences be damned. Also, if you're wondering why I took over 9 months to reply, take it up with KZfaq who didn't notify me about anything until the fourth response. Also, while you're at it, you can ask yourself why you responded over 3 years after I left the comment.

Not to mention that his car's license plate says "HESTHE1". As in he's the killer. You could solve the mystery by just randomly driving around the neighborhood and seeing the plate while driving past.

But the ultimate foreshadowing comes from the shape of the town itself. Willy the dalmatian was the true mastermind behind it all!

Nah, he is just a messenger from the Red World. The true mastermind is whoever send him from the Red World and released the red seeds into our world.

The dog did that, the fat dude was the messenger right? The dog was his boss.

Loaf Cult Member No, Kaysen was the emissary from the Red World, an immortal demonic being that killed people and spread the red seed. The dog was his connection to the Red World. Thats why the dog is always with him. Who is in charge is never spelled outright, but the ending shows the dog with Kaysen doll in his mouth, like a chew toy.

Sean Scott I was looking for this. I was like, what the fuck, are you serious?

Right, I literally leaned forward and went "Umm, what?"

I know right?maybe ah clue?still usefel.

What about the title????

Not good sir, not good at all, smh.

he made me subcrive too

subscrive*

He deserved all those subscrivions

you have some trolly comment there m8

He debinitely did.

No it wasn't a love letter it was a slap in the face for every mgs fan , it was filled with repetitive missions crappy characters shitty boss fights and the worst story in the whole mgs saga , only kojima fanboys will defend it

There's my point.

I think most people do understand that kojima is saying the players are big boss and the message on the tape at the end is aimed at the player from kojima himself. It's a ballsy and clever twist that adds plenty of plot holes and things to be desired. I hated the twist though it was at least creative

Only past MGS games fanboys will hate it.

+oh hi mark He didn't slap us, he didn't do it. He did nooooooooooot!!! Seriously though, weakest story but it had the best gameplay out of any of them. Snake Eater will always be my favorite though.

Only the Emperor flipping the entire galaxy the bird surpasses this.

Or, more plausibly, Kojima is just a fucking horrible storyteller.

The whole concept in the MGS series is hiding a stealth game right? And main characters are trained wetwork agents? So escaping an assasination is right. And I also believe Quiet knowed that too. Thats why she never talked in the game. She was send to kill Snake and person that everybody belived to be snake wasn't snake.

Really cause I thought it was to clear up the loose thread that was the big boss character in Metal Gear 1 that you killed who was able to have a respectable number of soldiers under his command. Still don't even get why everyone is so upity about this guy being a damn good soldier. Its literally why he was chosen. You dont have to be a clone of big boss to be able to do something in that world

Hm, yes, it is a good idea to ignore all other MGS games (especially 3) and just say something stupid like that.

She was controlling time with her mind. So I guess they just went with two references.

I figure audible Doctor Who reference, visual X-Men reference, two birds one stone.

You're a wizard frodo - Charles Xavier

+aceotaku From Pokemon Death by Sleep.

Days of Future Past. Transporting Wolverine's consciousness into his younger body. Using Xavier's abilities.

Others talk in WhatCultureWWE too.

Adam PACITTI!!!

+newfacepaula You love it!

BX

Same

As much as how I like that fact that we the players get to live Big Boss's world, I wished for more story and character development for Venom Snake. At one point, we did travel back to Cyprus according to Truth Ending, but it was jumpy.

Have to agree, and also the twist can be seen a mile away. If you weren't being too presumptuous you would have probably seen it during Kaz's rescue mission. If you were being presumptuous you might have even seen it coming during the very first mission. Didn't really bother me at all and it was a sensible twist all things considered. I think it was unfair of the video to label it as nonsense simply because of the slightly convoluted setup.

+Sir Gildo I actually loved that twist, Big Boss' history was already too convoluted and heavy for any soul to bear, so having someone else go through that made it easier for me to believe that Bigg Boss didn't kill himself later on.

That is the point they tried to make, but frankly, it's a load of bull crap. Big Boss is a character. His dialogue is carried out by a voice actor, motion capture gets some of his movements, and all we do is take him from point A to point B to carry out the story. I know I'm not Big Boss, because I'm real. If I'm Venom Snake, then why am I not Big Boss too? Are we every video game character ever? Ever since Psycho Mantis Kojima's tried to up his metafiction and fourth wall breaking, when all he needs to do is write a good story and stop trying to pull pointless rug pulls. Summary: Big Boss is Big Boss in the game. Outside the game, no one is Big Boss, because Big Boss isn't real.

+Sir Gildo yeah, the whole game seem crowded with hints. From him not "remembering" the Russian language to liquid's DNA test turning out negative.

I was just about to say this. I didn't even watch the video yet, but how can someone fuck up a clickbait title so bad?

It's just funny that is was there the whole time. Not really giving it away

Mystery Meat Yes.

Or they do "give it away" but you over look the clue or whatever on your 1st playthough then when you play again, you realize what you over looked foreshadowed future events.

That's like saying it's not giving things away when something is being offered for free (free BBQ, free admission, etc..) and you don't attend or participate. Just because someone doesn't get it doesn't mean it wasn't being given away.

"What just happened?" Shitty research on the part of What Culture, that's what.

Dead Space meets Dragon Age. Make this happen!

And isn't it pronounced "Seffiroth" not "Seppiroth"? :P

Don't forget about "proto-gonist" instead of "protagonist", Does this fucker even literate? Seems like he skipped 3rd grade grammar.

***** He needs a kick in the proto-gonads.

Lol

Its the marker

fucking Leliana was wrong this whole time! he doesnt love us

+N/A Yes, that exact line.

I noticed that too.

Moon Man damn

Life Is Strange more or less does the same thing. Games shouldn't count for this list if the game itself goes back and shows you that it's been hinting about the twist all along.

I was proud been the dummy for big boss

+lunar éclipse Shine bright lights, even in death

Granted I've only watched my brother play these games, I'm completely lost at this point lol

no it's not actually, you never actually killed him in metal gear, only in metal gear 2. After outerheaven begins it's self destruct sequence you pretty much just run and then you are confronted by big boss who tells you he didn't expect you to fuck him over you have a quick battle and you "kill" him but you have to get out fast. Then in metal gear 2 it turns out big boss didn't die he only lost his eye then you burn him to death. (even though mgs4 says he lives which is kinda bullshit but whatever)

oh yeah that's also how he originally lost his eye but then mgs3 went and fucked the story

I'm glad someone pointed that out.

Then there's that side quest in the steel mill where you get your ice grenade. If you listen to the thugs in the elevator, one of them mentions seeing the Joker leave while another says he's still there.

All true points, you forgot one though when you go back to the Steel Mill and Joker's looking in the mirror. Batman even revisits a memory of that when he confronted clayface, the reflection was of a sickly Joker but when Joker turns around he's looking cured. Because it wasn't a mirror.

About the Eli part, I should have seen it coming but I didn't. I was preoccupied with whats next. Only found out at the Truth Ending.

When I first heard that tape, I was like "Woah...What the fuck!?". After having beaten the game though (and just recently finishing a second playthrough), there definitely are hints scattered around here and there.

I just assumed it had been rigged by Ocelot or Miller or someone trying to hide the truth from you. Liquid felt a little awkward in the whole story, like he was just shoe horned in so you can be like "look it's Liquid!" rather than him having a meaningful role or cause to be the way he is. It really doesn't make sense for him to be so bitter and i think MGSV was a wasted opportunity for us to get more insight into him. Instead, Liquid just hates Big Boss because he's one dimensional and evil. Liquid is literally a brat before he even meets Venom and that's why the the later stuff in the series happens? Come on there had to be a better reason.

After beating the game, I thought back to the Eli part and just let out an "Ohhhh."

***** I kept thinking that Ishmael was Big Boss in a sense that he's a figment of your imagination, but he's your old survival instincts manifesting itself and essentially saving you. The twist itself fits quite nicely into the lore it's really just everything else plot wise that confuses the larger story. It was a bitter pill to swallow realizing you weren't Big Boss though eh, MGS2 was different because we start Plant knowing we aren't Snake and if you played the first one and Tanker then it was no secret who Plissken really was. The plot holes are Sahelanthopus, Liquids back story, Quiet, Ocelots apparent change of nature, Skull Face, Vocal Chord parasites. None of this was designed with the later story in mind.

True it is a very good game but why no one speaks about it only you as ive seen so far in the comments but a lot of people are buying it now because it has a low price.

+Zeruel132 yea your right but the team who made it needs to hop on another project

+shutdown199 Spec ops was not that great. It's so fake deep and plays the same Pathos pulling trope of "omg maybe we're the bad guys" and everyone just eats it up.

I think a good sequel would be maybe set in 60's Vietnam or something, and it switches between two Spec Ops squads. You think both stories happen alongside each other, but over time you learn one squad actually disappeared before the other arrived, and the first squad's actions decide the fate of the second. That'd be a cool twist.

+slvrcobra1337 I could see that working just needs to be refined

That's actually really interesting. I never thought of that.

That's actually really interesting. I never thought of that.

Jesus?! Get outta here!

That's actually really interesting. I never thought of that.

That's actually really interesting. I never thought of that.

In the event that the weighted companion cube does speak, we reccommend that you disregard its advice

Pretty much the evil big boss is the one solid kills in the beginning was you the whole time. I thought that it was pretty cool :l

Maybe if he hadn't gotten in a fight with Konami and backed out. Frankly, If MGSV never existed, the story would be exactly the same. They should have just remade the first two games and ignored this "story".

so i've killed myself like 20 years ago and i discover it only now?

Shitty writing yes, but a remake is going to happen.

Sense*. And no, it was not at the quality of typical MGS storytelling. MGS2's ending is still something we talk about and philosophize on to this day. Phantom Pain's forgettable story has already been forgotten.

They've been working back to the first Metal Gear since Peacewalker. On top of that it ties up the whole two big boss' question from early Metal Gear. Blew my mind when I saw that one.

+RipperJack30141 Yeah! This damn plot wist was necessary, hard for me to understand how it doesn't Make any sense to some people, I'd understand if they complained about execution of it (Yep, We all can agree this could have been executed better)

MirelGaming Pretty much. Always thought it was weird they added the first two Metal Gears on the Snake Eater remake. Makes sense though looking back.

RipperJack30141 Yea, though I believe more of a reason was because nobody had C64 anymore :P

It made sense in the game, but it was fucking terrible

Could've taken it out

Yeah but at the start of mgsv they said removing the shrapnel would be fatal and considering what was possible from the in universe tech from mgsv to mgs 4 i doubt medical tech has gotten to the point where he could have it removed

It wasn't supposed to be the doctor.

+Seth Willson so professor X said "wibbely-wobbely, timey wimey" in WHICH X-Men Comic/Film/Game?

+Benjamin Matheny that was the joke. -_-

Mate I commented this 3 years ago😂

Joshua Brown holy crap

Is it just me or was I the only person who started mgs v knowing I wasn’t actually big boss?

What a goof

+The Inverted Drone .I know right! (insert lenny)

papercoolcat still fantasizing about dead space 4

meh, it has one of the best stories of last gen, but the gameplay was pathetic boring standard cover based shooter.

@@fluk3artist Sometimes gameplay isn't that important. Re: Planescape: Torment

I love your grammEr

The Spice must flow.

It made more sense in the last mission

GuitarrAssassin Yet somehow many people missed it. Strange that it even reveals clues in the trailer. Guess some people wanted to hold on to hooe that they were big boss.

Well, to be fair, when you market the hell out of your game as "This is how Big Boss became the bad guy" (even though the ending of MGS3 was enough to explain that. Any game after that, while fun, was largely unnecessary to the story), people are going to misunderstand.

***** Very true. Mgs3 perfectly explained it. The other games were just getting into the nitty gritty of it. Although it's nice to know how he lost his bandanna.

I believe Ryan turned off the Vita chamber in his office where you kill him.

***** Vita chambers... yes, that's what I was looking for. Even so, the Vita Chambers are explained as taking the user back to whichever one they were most recently linked to. So it should have still revitalized him somewhere else in Rapture.

They answered the question why he's alive in mgs4

Agreed, loved the twist and it makes sense.

Wasn't he supposed to kill himself but they rescripted it because it didn't test well. I think that makes for a satisfying end, a way to realise the burden a soldier takes on.

I'm pretty sure your thinking about the original ending for mgs4. It had old snake and otacon turning themselves in and getting executed.

It didn't answer why Big Boss was alive in MGS4, but they explained how Big Boss was alive in MG2: Solid Snake.

Did you completely miss the whole point of this video?

+Macephtopheles I think he did

it was, but it had no foreshadowing

I believe there were hints with that too. Remember on the Gulag when the Navy kept bombing the building while TF-141 was inside, and Shepherd called them off? Then the second they find Price, the bombing starts again. I think Shepherd was trying to kill them all once he was sure Prisoner #627 was Price. Also as America is invaded, Shepherd is issued a "blank check" from the president to bolster his war machine, what he'd wanted all along.

in the first level with Shepherd, there was the moment when he loaded three bullets into his gun. These three. bullets were used later against the protagonists, killing two of them and almost killing Soap if Price didn't stop him.

Big Boss never died though

Well, until the end of MGS4

Ryan Monaghan That's what I was saying :)

well too bad that was the only thing on TPP that makes sense. All the other game plot was just gibberish. Retarded at best. It had amazing gameplay etc. but that storyline makes it the worst Metal gear by far. it is almost unrecognisable.

We have a very similar opinion of the game it seems. I thought TPP had the best gameplay of any MGS game, absolutely loved it. But the story, it was the weakest of all MGS games. So it made it kind of a wash for me. But the MGS story was what had pulled me in, so to have a weak story as TPP does it actually makes me rank it the lowest in the series... Fun to play the game, but no depth or substance unlike every other MGS game before it