$100,000 Neve Console FAILED in under SIX MONTHS!

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17 күн бұрын

I worked my whole life to finally be able to afford a legendary Neve console. And here's my experience dealing with its failure. And how it sounds vs Reaper!
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@TylerJohnstonGuitar 16 күн бұрын

If I’m spending 100K on a piece of gear, it better outlive my grandkids, never mind myself.

@ThatGuysGuitars 16 күн бұрын

Sadly, it’ll probably last 10-15 at best. Either thru the components failing, or the software connectivity becoming obsolete.

@dojoguitare 16 күн бұрын

This is why I prefer to work with non-computer stuff (except the Focusrite 18i20) and analog gear, not because I'm a tone snob, but because it can be repaired.

@Jeremya74 16 күн бұрын

😂 wishful thinking

@despoticmusic 16 күн бұрын

For $100k - I want the lifespan of an Egyptian pyramid!

@dannelson6980 16 күн бұрын

Sony was the worst for this, which is why they lost so much market share.

@pads-zr9ln 16 күн бұрын

Remember kids, buying expensive gear doesnt make it better

@216trixie 16 күн бұрын

And if you want to buy good stuff it is going to cost you more though.

@user-uo9cy2ep2h 16 күн бұрын

😂😂 😂 Damn!

@allanallan4791 16 күн бұрын

Where have we heard that before? Ahahaha

@oriontackett7643 16 күн бұрын

And not every failure is due to lack of effort. Even the most well engineered cars like konneggseigg have issues once in a while. There's literally no way to make anything tangible prefect

@DannyG-cv8so 16 күн бұрын

Absolutely nothing is built to last anymore. It’s pathetic really

@nunninkav 15 күн бұрын

if you buy a neve at Walmart and they ask if you want to add the extended warranty for $3.99 say YES!!

@Machinedmetal 14 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@snickpickle 13 күн бұрын

Great laugh for the day! Hahaha!

@AudioPilz 15 күн бұрын

We had a Neve at audio engineering school and it was never NOT broken...;) I feel you!!!

@AlexanderKorotkov42 11 күн бұрын

is it bad gear then?

@michieladriaansens5977 9 күн бұрын

@@AlexanderKorotkov42 fragile.. it couldn't handle the amount of users from his school it seems.

@ledheavy26 8 күн бұрын

It's ticking all the boxes .

@Pascalc67sound 4 күн бұрын

Omg😮

@CyberChrist 16 күн бұрын

The "I'm not angry, just disappointed" dad energy is overwhelming, lol.

@jaakkolamminpaa7959 15 күн бұрын

My friend once said this was the most devastating thing her dad has ever said. She said that she has thereafter lived her life to make that he would never speak those words again. So never underestimate the power of disappointment.

@snickpickle 13 күн бұрын

@@jaakkolamminpaa7959 Been there!

@TheStrykerProject 16 күн бұрын

For $100,000, Neve should be shipping overnight and the swap should be 'plug and play'.

@dogpdsound 13 күн бұрын

User Error isnt covered

@444Inlakesh 13 күн бұрын

@@dogpdsound Windows guys always blame "user error" lol Software is broken and its the user fault, classic.

@jaycoleman8062 13 күн бұрын

Remember the joke where Gates brought everyone to the office for a good/bad news meeting. The bad thing is the world is ending tomorrow. The good news is we won't have to fix Windows...

@KC-bi9jw 12 күн бұрын

that's....that's what he said they did...in the video...

@itsgmani 15 күн бұрын

The worst when this happens is you lose trust in it. You’re gonna cross your fingers every time you start it now and hope it will work. Forever

@G60syncro 9 күн бұрын

@@itsgmani I had the same problem with a couple of Presonus interfaces that gave me the red eye of death... Burned me away from the brand! I got a pair of Motu 8 channel interfaces for 16 analog inputs and never looked back!! Oh and they've been bulletproof for the past ten years!!!

@fernandoviana6620 4 күн бұрын

Yeah, just like a faulty car that you are now afraid to take out.

@tylerkeller7120 12 күн бұрын

Putting computers in his consoles is the exact reason why Rupert Neve was pushed out of his original company he never thought they were reliable enough and thought that they would only lead to more failures in his system and probably close to 40 years later hes still right

@taviqmasteringonline2754 6 күн бұрын

I agree 💯. What they're doing is exactly what you said. I think they should: - Keep the analog console analog. - Use ADAT or something like that to get the channel information directly to the Console and back to the DAW as an insert. Just like a regular audio interface. - Put a stupid simple and small thumbprint Operating System in the Console that allows you to have recall; functionality nothing crazy more than that. Why is that so hard. No, just like windows 10 Midway til now, we have to try and add everything under the sun in it. Just keep it simple.

@dalex2902 16 күн бұрын

Did you try turning it off, and then on again?

@Wilco1972 16 күн бұрын

Or blowing on it?

@snickpickle 13 күн бұрын

Or employing “impact maintenance” (smacking it, hard or soft)?

@G60syncro 12 күн бұрын

Or turn it onto channel 3... Or switch it to AUX or hit input a couple of times!!!

@damham5689 9 күн бұрын

Time to float check it. Take it to the nearest lake and toss it in. If it floats, its fine.

@vincebagadonis8016 16 күн бұрын

Know this: The windows "automatic repair" has NEVER EVER repaired anyone's windows. Ever. The feature is just there to give you false hope.

@ChrisHopkinsBass 16 күн бұрын

I work as an IT tech at a UK university. Whenever the automatic repair option comes up on a computer I’m working on, I reach for my USB stick to reinstall Windows

@trevorus 16 күн бұрын

I actually have had it fix an issue. Probably a drive error issue, like fixing MBR or some such. Anything beyond that, I don’t know even what it does.

@kalidesu 16 күн бұрын

Agreed, something like Macrium Reflect, Acronis, Paragon, DriveImage XML (The list goes on) Has saved me many times.

@justinvzu01 16 күн бұрын

It can fix small faults in the file system and replace missing files. That's about it.

@MykEviiL 16 күн бұрын

Haha

@TmanUtube 15 күн бұрын

I worked as an electrician for a massive TV production company where most of our work was OB in the early 2000s. We had 4 Digital HD trucks of the 12 in total. We had Neve consoles in all 4 of these HD trucks, as an audio nerd I was in awe of these things when i started. Not so much the repair crew, I don't remember a single week where these desk didn't have a tech working on them. It got to a point that Neve were sending technicians to Australia almost every other month. Eventually, these consoles were ripped out & replaced with Yamaha from memory. Not as featured filled as the Neve, but reliability in TV was king.

@katielowen 16 күн бұрын

$100,000 for a software based appliance is craaaazy 😔💀

@sparella 15 күн бұрын

Welcome to the world of CNC machining.

@jasonboyce9650 16 күн бұрын

Is Harley Benton making consoles, yet?

@ryanriggs9963 16 күн бұрын

Give them a few years I'm sure they'll try lol

@TranscendentBen 16 күн бұрын

It would run some form of Linux, as the price wouldn't cover the Windows license fee.

@mathrack 16 күн бұрын

LOL

@Mezurashii5 16 күн бұрын

@@TranscendentBen And would be better for it.

@davidwilson6577 16 күн бұрын

Thomann are selling them, at least.

@caelenselke-minogue 16 күн бұрын

I think the correct response is: "My disappointment is... immeasurable... and my day is ruined."

@marianomazzieri6560 16 күн бұрын

I bet the issue was caused by a Windows update that left the system corrupted. Perhaps the computer was turned off while updating. The only way I know it could be fixed is by recovering from a restore point, which are automatically saved so long you have this feature activated.

@aspegiic 16 күн бұрын

Can we apply your “last 5% worth it” logic, to pickups, tubes, woods, amps?

@despoticmusic 16 күн бұрын

The longevity question is absolutely key. We now live in a world where built in obsolescence is a design paradigm. For a $30 gizmo that is probably not too bad, but in the $thousands range, it is completely unacceptable. I feel for you man!

@maysonstorm4956 16 күн бұрын

Ikr. I know right. I had a pair of Mackie HR monitors that I have used since the late 90s that finally "died" on me a few months ago. Since I am more hobbyist than serious engineer now, I couldn't justify (to myself or my wife) spending $1500 and up for a set of monitors so I started looking at budget options. And boy, the amount of reviews complaining about a lot of these things failing within a year or two (or barely out of warranty) was frightening. I ended up buying a set of Adam A7Xs and I guess I'll just have to keep my fingers crossed for a few years.

@digiscream 16 күн бұрын

It's not even designed-in obsolescence from Neve - the consequence of using a commercial operating system is that you're shit out of luck as soon as Microsoft decide it's no longer supported. You don't even get any shelter from that if you use a Mac - Apple's support window is even shorter. And, of course, you can't even update it because the hardware's going to be completely proprietary. Please tell me nobody's connecting these things to the Internet...

@cynicaloutlook 16 күн бұрын

Blame Taiwan - in the late 90's they fucked up some state-sponsored industrial espionage that resulted in virtually every electronic device (since most of it was made in Taiwan at that point) failing after a few months. They stole the formula for low-cost capacitors that were supposed to have a long lifespan and passed it on to all the Taiwanese factories, only the forumula they stole was actually a trap, and was designed to fail after a grace period. As a result, consumer expectations lowered to the point were we now expect electronics to stop working after a year or so, instead of lasting for decades like they did before all this went down.

@EasyHeat 16 күн бұрын

@despoticmusic I couldn't agree more

@EasyHeat 16 күн бұрын

@@cynicaloutlook Honestly don't blame Taiwan. Blame the corporate industry for cheap labor exploitation. Comparatively Korean made components like capacitors & relays of the same era were also notoriously failure prone well into early 2000's products! I know because I've had to physically replace several. Ever hear of original Xbox consoles overtime bricking themselves unplugged sitting on a shelf?! That's why. Because the shotty Korean capacitors would literally swell, burst, and thus inevitably kill the PCB motherboard. Another reason why I'd always recommend anyone who's buying a vintage tube amp, or one older than the 2010's?!! To consider getting a modern capacitor upgrade job done. By a PROFESSIONAL though!! I once saw some dumbass stick both hands into the back of his Sovtek MIG 50 and get zapped nearly across the FN room!!! #deathcapacitor .

@TheGaryHughes 16 күн бұрын

Spending 100k on products that breakdown is surprisingly common right now

@SuperChaoticus 16 күн бұрын

Time to buy a Cybertruck and double the fun.

@atonofspiders 16 күн бұрын

Space truck, anyone?

@davidwilson6577 16 күн бұрын

Spending 100k... common...

@fredscallietsoundman9701 12 күн бұрын

Hey you can buy a Boing for $100,000,000 and it'll still fail you.

@TwoBassed 16 күн бұрын

Hey Glen, 6 months into a warranty is far far better than 1 day outside of the warranty!

@Kevin.Kelly. 15 күн бұрын

Your first mistake.. buying a console based on a… computer. Take it back and get a 100% analog console.

@ddgarage7025 14 күн бұрын

Any tour on the road disagrees. 80% of digital consoles run on embedded windows, and others run on linux. Tours that run analog often have a full spare in the truck because analog consoles still have issues and need constant work.

@preciseaudioblog 14 күн бұрын

Absolutely!

@a-nus 13 күн бұрын

@@ddgarage7025 Is glens studio on the road? No? Wtf are you even talking about lmao

@Video-C 12 күн бұрын

@@ddgarage7025 analog consoles d'ont have total breakdowns like digital ( except for the power source un do need a spare one ) correct me if i'm wrong digital consol need the internet or the w'ont work ???

@ddgarage7025 12 күн бұрын

@@Video-C No, digital consoles almost never need internet to work and it's best to keep them off the internet unless you have to (AVID S6Ls sometimes need to). No console is immune to faults but large format analogue consoles these days are old and need maintenance constantly because of their age (in the context of the touring world anyway) I'm just saying the anti digital comments are silly and no piece of tech is immune to issues. This is coming from someone who still has a few english made analogue consoles.

@FatNorthernBigot 16 күн бұрын

A grievance with Neve is called a "Neve-ance".

@deltanine6497 16 күн бұрын

👏😺👍🍾🙌

@slayabouts 15 күн бұрын

Get out

@Buffrt66 16 күн бұрын

The more bells and whistles a system has, the more possibilities of shit hitting the fan.

@Stefan- 16 күн бұрын

Sitting here writing this on my 12+ year old Windows PC that has been used very very much an hard and where not one part has been replaced except for a harddrive (not system drive)that i took from my previous computer which already had a number of years on it, the system drive is still the 12+ year old Samsung SSD. Also the previous computer from 2005 also runs fine with all its original parts including harddrive. This is of course as anecdotal as anyones experience, but in my experience i havent really had any big computer problems since i got windows 7 and now on windows 10 i have never even reinstalled it, its been extremely stable. In the windows XP days it was way more common with problems, i had to ghost the computer since sometimes viruses were impossible to remove and also other problems, i say that as someone that loved XP.

@kagisokgabo3601 5 күн бұрын

I avoid shady sites and "foreign" flash drives and generally never put my flash drives in other devices my own or Macs.. Usually superstable for yearrrrs!

@vigilantestylez 15 күн бұрын

It should have never been designed around its own computer. It should have been designed to connect to your own, and it should run without one. This is why consoles are obsolete. The console workflow and sound are not, but the consoles themselves are too much of a pain in the ass. I have Harrison Mixbus, and if my computer for that goes down, I just install Harrison Mixbus on another computer and keep going. Consoles are sexy no doubt, and probably a lot of fun, but this and other headaches people get with consoles are why many are selling and decommissioning them now.

@DudeMcGuybro 16 күн бұрын

"I AM NOT ANGRY" Yeah okay, and I'm the fuckin Pope! I'd be livid 😂

@rantanen1 16 күн бұрын

I've noticed that I get angry at the 'small stuff' but if something goes catastrophically to shit, I don't even get mad, I just try to figure out how to fix it and if there's anything I can do. There's like a threshold and past that point I don't even feel anger anymore.

@snickpickle 4 күн бұрын

@@rantanen1 I totally relate to getting easily frustrated, yet in major crises, being fairly calm… usually.

@melissabell585 16 күн бұрын

As neat as the Genesys desks are... There's buying a console, and then there's buying a fly-by-wire nearly completely digitally controlled console that is mostly dead when the computer goes down. This is why I greatly prefer the approach of something like the API 2448 - fully analog board, completely optional traditional moving-faders automation as a small embedded system that also speaks MCU over USB. Their automation is great, and if it does go down, all the primary features of your desk are still working.

@QuickQuips 16 күн бұрын

I'm surprised a Rupert Neve 5088 wasn't considered either. It's an analog console by the legend and deliberately isn't digital.

@melissabell585 16 күн бұрын

@@QuickQuips I'm not sure how many preamps and EQ modules Glen's Genesys has, but the 5088 configured with a comparable channel count, with preamps and EQ on all channels, is potentially in a substantially different price bracket. The 2448 is priced much closer to comparable regardless.

@lancetownsend6226 16 күн бұрын

Absolutely. Analog equipment is repairable. I don't buy gear that requires software to work properly. Because eventually it'll be an extremely expensive paperweight

@zonarecordingstudio 16 күн бұрын

I think the genesis is a great console thing is I don’t live in England. I live here in New York much easier to service my Api love it.

@snoolee7950 8 күн бұрын

wuz going to say API or RND but it is great how Glenn has outed this situation and how a computer based analog desk is two horse gallops from getting bricked. Wow! Great story.

@JacoGouws-bs7pw 15 күн бұрын

I think I'll stick to an audio interface and a pair of 5" studio monitors if expensive equipment like this is just going to fail after 6 months...

@juniorsilvabroadcast Күн бұрын

Get a DAW controller from a great brand like ICO and you will have a nice workflow. Almost like a real mixing board

@LewisBlackwellMusic 14 күн бұрын

It's so rough to see when I've followed your channel for so many years, seen how much it's grown and the tremendous amount of work you've put in too to get to this desk!!!

@FrogCabin-in5wd 16 күн бұрын

Glenn's Lament: "Where it's at I got two dead computers and a microphone..."

@pierreblenderbuss9807 16 күн бұрын

Take me home with my Windsor bones Do it That was a good drum break

@joshuaporterfield6774 16 күн бұрын

@@pierreblenderbuss9807too bad we couldn’t get it on tape…

@brymills 15 күн бұрын

@@joshuaporterfield6774if it had been an analogue mixer and tape it would have been fine….

@KaldDodeGitarist 16 күн бұрын

I can't believe it's not Linux-based.

@Sylkis89 16 күн бұрын

With the hell that JACK, Pulse, and Linux audio in general are? I absolutely totally can believe they didn't want to touch Linux lol

@Mommythief0069 16 күн бұрын

It should be cross compatible eith Linux, windows and Mac

@InTheSh8 16 күн бұрын

What does it help if it is maybe a hardware prob 😂?

@U99DrunkDinosaur 16 күн бұрын

@@Sylkis89 wdym? JACK is amazing

@TheDemocrab 16 күн бұрын

@@Sylkis89 I mean, I get that but it's still less of a headache than...most everything else with Windows.

@hunterbladen2806 16 күн бұрын

8:00 when you get to a certain level of quality signal flow, wouldn’t it boil down to work flow if you’re looking for a full desk?

@trulsdirio 11 күн бұрын

The dude that makes fun of players buing 3k guitars that aren't any better than cheaper ones bought a 100k comsole and got burned. Poetic justice. And now he starts asking the questions about longevity anybody with half a braincell would have asked before spending one hundred fuggin gramd on it.

@ericwagner2997 16 күн бұрын

Has the Neve now become the Gibson of consoles? All kidding aside, I work in IT and have seen things fail right out of the box. I always joke that the sweat shop kids overseas had a bad day when those particular components were manufactured.

@gpi66 16 күн бұрын

Haha I have similar experiences, very expensive IT equipment failing fight after install. Linux, Windows based, proprietary OS I've seen it all.

@QuickQuips 16 күн бұрын

Maybe Fender. There's a G&L equivalent with Rupert Neve Designs.

@TheOriginalEUrban 16 күн бұрын

Now you have a giant table you can't even put a coffee on.

@christianfoster3806 16 күн бұрын

Show of hands, how many of you think you can hear the difference between the Neve and a Behringer on a high gain metal guitar or heavy drum track or scream vocal track. How clean does your console pre need to be to record a hard clipped distorted guitar tone?

@musicnupe 9 күн бұрын

Glenn, new subscriber and I am REALLY enjoying your content and down to earth commentary. Extremely refreshing. Hey man, stoked to hear you’re also on BF 2049. Are you sharing your screen name or PSN/XBOX ID so folk can jump in a match with you? The new DeadSpace horde mode is nuts!

@jackkosto 16 күн бұрын

Any inkling of a faint desire to own a console down the line totally evaporated for me upon watching this. Hope it gets resolved for you, thanks for making this video and the transparency and vulnerability in it!

@CoyleCustoms 16 күн бұрын

sometimes i wish i had a console, but then i remember how often the maintenance guys were working on the ones in the berklee studios. seemed like one of them was down every few weeks

@CoyleCustoms 16 күн бұрын

ofc it was 2017-9 and the digital consoles still ran on windows xp lol

@MG53v8 11 күн бұрын

What goes wrong with them usually, sounds quite insane how often they fail?

@sawyercustom 6 күн бұрын

I love my LP8's neem beating them for years and they rarely ever get turned off. I'm super happy I watched your show and bought them as per your recommendations.

@timothybenton1189 8 күн бұрын

Thanks for this video. For so many reasons. Like all of us, I'm looking forward to seeing this settled for you. I listened to your A/B mixes on my Dynaudio 5M5a monitors. I really liked the Neve mixes. If those Reaper mixes were mine, I'd be stoked AF..... andI'd still want a Neve. 😂

@dannyprecysroadtoforever5234 16 күн бұрын

That's a hardware issue and not a Windows issue. Windows is more than capable of running audio reliably.

@oriontackett7643 16 күн бұрын

Bingo!!!

@DannyG-cv8so 16 күн бұрын

True, but absolutely nothing is built to last anymore…. It’s pathetic really

@petetk 16 күн бұрын

Windows is much harder to troubleshoot then mac in my experience.

@donoteatglass 16 күн бұрын

Yeah, I've been on Windows since 95. I use Windows not only for my audio recording but also use it for SolidWorks, Cinema 4D, blender and Maya. I can't tell you the last time I saw a blue screen of death. Mac might be easier if you don't want to learn how to use a computer.

@Dnylpz94 16 күн бұрын

Windows is way harder to fix than Linux and that’s insane considering Linux is the “enthusiast” OS

@OldManandtheGHome 16 күн бұрын

Thanks for this episode Glenn!!!

@aweidner8757 16 күн бұрын

Wow, I feel your pain Glenn. I have a Neve 8424 console with motorized faders. I’ve had it less than a year and the right side of the master channel went out, no sound. I’ve been in contact with Neve support and they have been very helpful assisting with the diagnosis and sending me the replacement part. Though I do wish it was moving along a little faster as it’s been 2.5 weeks since the ticket was opened. Just received a “lower monitor board” replacement from Neve today and now need to arrange a tech to come over and install it. Fingers crossed this works. I understand things break and Neve support has been very helpful, just a little let down it only took this long for something to break. Praying this fixes the issue and the console is solid for years to come. Though I definitely will be considering purchasing the Neve Care extended warranty once my 2 year is up.

@kylefrancesco8806 15 күн бұрын

Man, is that is a bummer? that piece of equipment has been impressive. love the videos. rock on

@Peter-by3ox 16 күн бұрын

Why do you not have a bootable image stored for this eventuality?

@kolvis6626 11 күн бұрын

shouldn't have to have one to keep a fucking MIXING DESK running of all things. SHOULD. NOT. ideally he would have one laying around for general use but if you don't fuck around with your computers more than normal use, you wouldn't know to have one and often won't need one. regardless of what tools you think are prerequisites for what, i think it's stupid to have windows running on a fucking mixing console and that limits its supportable lifespan considerably.

@Peter-by3ox 11 күн бұрын

@@kolvis6626 it not to keep it runnning its for disaster recovery. Man u sound way to angry

@digiscream 16 күн бұрын

For everyone saying it's a hardware issue...it's _incredibly_ rare for previously-working hardware to just fail (EDIT: I mean after six months of working perfectly, and after being burn-in tested on leaving a low-volume manufacturer). It's far more likely file corruption due to the heavy shutdown, and Windows really doesn't deal with that very well. Embedded systems like this should be shipped with a factory disk image on a second drive, so it can be restored to factory settings at any time. Even better, they should come with the capacity for the customer to create and store their own (configured) image at any time. With the prices Neve charge for their desks, it would be a negligible additional cost, and would actually save them money in support costs, for the sake of a bit of development time and £200 on a second NVMe drive (it doesn't even need to be an expensive one, a cheap QLC drive would do the job - doesn't need buckets of endurance, since writes would be _very_ rare). It would also save them from serious reputational damage in terms of the lack of business continuity experienced by their customers.

@Homanjer 16 күн бұрын

That's just not true. Yes, the likelihood of hardware failure goes down after a couple of months, but most hardware that fails, fails within weeks and months of being first used, not seconds. Hell, I've had a GPU die two years into use before, without OC or any shenanigans like that. A friend currently struggles with a faulty GPU, which is about 1 year old. Infant mortality of hardware can easily range within months of first being used, and saying "it's incredibly rare" is just false. Especially with modern production, where devices and electronics are tested enough to relatively safely rule out that it will be broken upon unboxing. But of course you can't see into the future and tell if a tiny little part on the device is gonna fail 6 months down the line.

@EivindFalken 16 күн бұрын

For sure Glenn is aware of UPS

@zanzabar4ky7 16 күн бұрын

Kontron uses EMMC in their default devices, and has everything soldered in (as most tablets have,) That is not OK for something like a console controller. It should have an off the shelf ITX board for embedded systems with changeable ram/storage and use eDP to drive the display.

@Imal00ter20 16 күн бұрын

It's not even a LITTLE bit true that hardware failure is rare. Where are you getting that from? Hardware failures after several months are fairly common, if not even expected. That's why having backups and restore points for job-crucial components is as critical as it is.

@warp9988 16 күн бұрын

@@EivindFalken He's running a UPS a lot better than you can buy at Staples, and a power conditioner unit, for sure.

@BoostedCajun 10 күн бұрын

Glenn I’d invest in a backup like Acronis. Have it back up the OS in its entirety. That way your preferences and the vendor’s configuration is backed up just in case. Unless it’s hardware failure. Can another PC be used in its place? It would be cool to see how the PC interfaces and is connected to this console.

@Intrinsic.Recording 7 күн бұрын

Hey...totally off topic, but do you have the omni or cardioid capsule on your Oktava? Hope you got everything working! Thanks, cool video!

@juanmartinvk 16 күн бұрын

This kind of form factor for a device is designed to exist in another era. Computers didn't exist or were much more serviceable, studios had resident electronics technicians who worked full time on maintenance, service manuals and individual parts were much more accessible without any of this corporate BS. As amazing as they are, these consoles are pretty much unfeasible to own and use professionally and dependably today.

@geoffsprock 16 күн бұрын

Everytime I think I want a console, I remind myself of all the times I sat around waiting for the studio techs to fix them when I was working in different studios. My perspective comes from a hobbyist mindset though. I am not doing this for a living anymore. Glenn, I hope you get it all taken care of, and can get back to your normal work flow with ZERO issues in the future.

@torbenmeyercobourgrailfan9315 16 күн бұрын

why do you even need one? Just get one of those API lunchboxes and use channel strips. Should have the same effect..

@Ryan_Messenger 16 күн бұрын

Do you think it's possible to match eq based on the phase differences, make master fx changes in reaper with those findings, and emulate the tonal changes of the analog board in reaper?

@VegasAudioRentals 15 күн бұрын

There's also just personal preference to workflow. Do you work faster and/or better with knobs, sliders, and buttons; or keyboards, shortcuts, a mouse, and possibly a touchscreen?

@RobertModica 16 күн бұрын

I'm an IT manager and I manage 100 windows based computers... I rarely encounter failures with windows... but I also harden the systems and have management software in place to ensure daily operation. I am not sure how the neve operates but powering the computer on and off is not something I personally recommend. Thank you for validating the IT profession... You go to a mechanic when your car is broken... you go to the doctor when you are sick... Hire an IT professional to ensure your computer equipment is operating at peak performance. You have taught us so much about recording... and you probably have decent computer knowledge but no man is an island...

@gunslingersymphony5015 16 күн бұрын

This is kind of an outdated perspective. I mean, obviously I'm not going to be doing surgery, but I also don't go to a doctor for every little sniffle. The specialist society is on its way out, and I think this is something we should encourage. Specialization is how we ended up with lawyers...

@RobertModica 16 күн бұрын

@@gunslingersymphony5015 I'd be interested to know what you do for a living... your whole statement is a huge contradiction. Doctors and lawyers are very specialized education. I've been in the IT world for 29 years and can tell you there are very very specialized fields/certifications. As a matter of fact, just because I am an IT manager doesn't mean that I don't hire engineers to do the heavy lifting on projects if I don't have suitable skills to accomplish the task.

@gunslingersymphony5015 16 күн бұрын

@@RobertModica Doctors are specialists. Law is a specialization that only exists because of itself, to the detriment of everyone who is expected to follow it. Specialization is something to be dealt with out of necessity, not to be maintained as standard practice. One of the greatest advancements we've ever made has been to collect our knowledge and share it publicly. I've learned more from the internet than any school/university, and-apart from the basics that I had down after elementary school-it's been significantly more useful, overall. As far as what I do for a living, I'm a millwright, and I'm currently working on getting into things like web development and cybersec. As much as I love risking my life every time I go to work, AND having to be able to do everyone else's job as well as everything mechanical, AND having to make some engineer's pipe dream actually work in the real world, I really want to experience this whole "work-from-home" thing I keep hearing about. Also, I'm sorry; I don't see how my previous statement was a contradiction.

@gunslingersymphony5015 16 күн бұрын

@@RobertModica I should add that I respect your position, and don't believe that specialization is, as of yet, outdated. Rather, I believe that being well-rounded should be encouraged.

@gunslingersymphony5015 15 күн бұрын

@@RobertModica I'd also add that I had a nice long response before that which wasn't posted. I'm try to reorganize and retype my thoughts at a later time.

@91Metalhead 16 күн бұрын

Is bricking a super expensive mixing system by turning off the power too fast the producer equivalent of a les Paul neck break because you knocked it over?

@brownie_the_3rd 15 күн бұрын

The phased flipped comparisons were quite interesting, really confirmed that I wasn't just imagining hearing more in the neve mixes.

@Halfaloaf599 16 күн бұрын

Dude! My sympathies on your woes, your patience and restraint are amazing. THANK YOU FOR POSTING! Windows? Really?

@Case_ 16 күн бұрын

I know people absolutely love to shit on Windows, but most issues like this are caused by hardware, not software. You could basically say that's what actually getting a blue screen is essentially telling you - you have a hardware issue.

@TheHairyGorilla 16 күн бұрын

Not had a blue screen in like 7 years lol or when Windows Vista was a thing...

@mitkothemacedonian 16 күн бұрын

Improper shutdowns-restarts could also eff-up the boot sectors and the FS

@user-gh9iw1of2y 16 күн бұрын

I disagree. Most of the times these BSODs are software related. Windows is just not a reliable OS..

@Case_ 16 күн бұрын

By far the most common reason you'll *ever* see a blue screen on a PC (as rare as they are) is with a failing or incompatible/misconfigured HW or its badly written/buggy driver. Speaking as a PC tech with now several decades of experience if it means anything. But, granted, the second most common reason would probably be a clueless user who thinks they know best that abuses the hell of their system for years on end and then proceeds to whine in every internet thread about how horrible and unreliable Windows are. But, I mean, there's plenty of those in every field, as this channel tends to prove so frequently...

@cycomiles4225 16 күн бұрын

I have never had an issue with windows OS, just dont be a moron and update it once in a while lol Its a very reliable OS, as long as you are not a moron.

@joehorvathebe 16 күн бұрын

For me it's completely opposite. Windows runs flawless, and Mac well let's just say I want to throw my mac out the window.

@Durkhead 16 күн бұрын

Is your windows pc attached to a 50k console?

@Homanjer 16 күн бұрын

@@Durkhead What difference does that make? Windows doesn't get less reliable if it has to work on more information, unless were talking about something like 400 simultaneous USB connections heh

@Durkhead 16 күн бұрын

@@Homanjer the difference is that looked like a pos windows tablet trying to run a 50k worth of faders and converters

@Homanjer 16 күн бұрын

@@Durkhead If the hardware sucks, that's not Windows fault. Apple always charge a premium for the same, or very similar, hardware.

@RyoCanCan 13 күн бұрын

Same. Worked in applecare for some time and made me happy to go to a windows pc every day.

@ccgsales 16 күн бұрын

Hey! What do you think about the open source Linux mixing options? How about Ubuntu Studio? Is open source too generic, or can you match the equipment/software to Neve or another high end system? I think the money you save on software could go toward higher end hardware.

@LeChapeauMusic 14 күн бұрын

very limited plugins, somewhat unstable (still better than windows) and a tiny bit of a lack of features. also personally im so fast in Pro Tools that I don't wanna work with anything else so im sticking to Mac.

@JamesSouza756 11 күн бұрын

The reaper mix all ready sounds so nice that’s because you are really good at this job, when I hear the console it’s offering a bit more by adding something to it, especially with the drums, if I was your client I would pay for the console mix

@charlesrocks 16 күн бұрын

Have you considered the Rupert Neve Designs 5088 or the tried and true AMS Neve 88RS? Also, 11:43…holy shit those transients really make the entire song jump out at you.

@pauldudeuk 16 күн бұрын

I live ten miles from the office, give me a shout if there is anything I can do, sound tech Paul at your service

@pauldudeuk 16 күн бұрын

That being Burnley!

@simonlees2848 15 күн бұрын

As someone who has worked in the embedded space i cant believe they are doing it that way unless its just a standard usb c cable and they are going to support the app on every version of windows into the future. At the same time ive seen how much a modern replacement computer for an older SSL costs

@robertopistolesi2735 12 күн бұрын

What exactly did you do on the console? Is it recorded through it or just run through it with no eq?

@MrAlFuture 16 күн бұрын

If we're talking about decades of support, I definitely would not go with Mac OS. Try running a 30 year old piece of software (or even 10 year old!) On a current version of Mac OS... it ain't gonna happen. Say what you will about Windows but it's still possible to run 30+ year old software on Windows 10/11. Try that on an Apple.

@cycomiles4225 16 күн бұрын

From my expirience all windows problems were from user negligence. Just take care of it a bit, make sure everything is compatible, dont stack shit upon shit and thats about it.

@GamerGee 15 күн бұрын

The best macs were those intel Mac pros. Those 2000 dual quad cheesegraters I know a number of guys who run those in studios to this day. Heavy and they run like tanks.

@preciseaudioblog 14 күн бұрын

Mac OSX rocks for me... I have El Capitan and works like a charm

@PerryCodes 13 күн бұрын

@@cycomiles4225 Agreed. And I'm confident this one was no different.

@douglascaskey7302 13 күн бұрын

Yup. I can still run Picture Publisher on my Windows 11 laptop... which I started using with Windows 95. Microsoft takes great pain to make things backward compatible. Can't say that with Apple. I'm the lead dev of an open source project, and when ever there's build issues it's with the Mac or Linux builds. I fully expect when there's a new MacOS release that the builds will break. Heck, you can't even count on what connector the next iPhone will use.

@rev.j.chriswallace642 16 күн бұрын

Failed computer was probably due to manufacturing issue rather than the operating system. I'm running a Windows machine that has gone non-stop for 7 years without a single fault or failure.

@wastelandmetal 16 күн бұрын

So, the real question is. Do you turn it on and off everyday, or do you leave it on all the time? Many a old school consoles were left on 24/7 as like most anything electronic they usually fail while powered on and off.

@audiodude 12 күн бұрын

I can hear the difference on a iPhone the Neve versions are miles ahead of in the box where you can tell immediately is in the width and depth of the mix

@kennethdarlington 16 күн бұрын

Windows is okay guys. Cheaping out on the pc hardware is not. Oh, by the way. Win10 support is supposed to be dropped in Autumn next year😅

@jonessperandio 16 күн бұрын

Only the mainstream version. The IoT LTSC version (which I suppose is the version running in this console - or at least it should be) will be supported until 2032.

@RoderikvanReekum 16 күн бұрын

Yes, They said that Windows 10 is the final version of Windows and it's not.😂 Have to replace a laptop that is perfectly fine for simple tasks... Or instal Chrome OS or Linux.

@kennethdarlington 16 күн бұрын

@@RoderikvanReekum why? I plan to rock my "music" PC way past the official support date. At least now

@kennethdarlington 16 күн бұрын

@@jonessperandio plenty of time to buy new $100k console 🤣

@RoderikvanReekum 16 күн бұрын

@@kennethdarlingtonIf it is not connected to the Internet that is fine but a connected PC without (update) support will become a security risk and it's not recommended. It would be fine if Windows 11 would support older hardware.

@onibonesmedia 16 күн бұрын

The mixes are certainly different. A justifiable difference for what you paid for the Neve, not to say the Reaper ones were bad at all. I have a thought though- with the vast improvements of digital audio tech, will it eventually be able to replicate analogue fully? I'm under the impression that it may, but there's one problem everyone is overlooking.. how the digital recreations of analogue gear produce more of a square wave harmonic distortion. Is it a deal-breaker? I don't think so, but I believe it can cause a bit of sterile dissociation. The average listener would never be able to tell the difference, but their listening interest would be stunted, as it is these days proven by search engine charts. I could be dead wrong about some of this, but I think the fall of music has a lot to do with the lesser-organic processes of its creation. Once that can be fully incorporated digitally, we may have a rise in interest again across the board.

@hughjanus5518 16 күн бұрын

My only worry regarding their customers support is what's the likelihood a regular guy and not someone with a huge KZfaq channel will get the same level of support?

@Blackboarder77 15 күн бұрын

Hey Glenn, I've done many highly customized PC builds for industrial settings. In today's money I could deck a custom terminal to fit in where the PC is for 2-3k, with top of the line hardware, very easily. Down the road, if you're ever in the scenario where you cannot replace the unit it wouldn't be that insane to have a custom builder rebuild a similar unit to mount.

@nelejanbbi4616 16 күн бұрын

if the audio industry properly supported linux, this story would be VERY different

@vigilantestylez 15 күн бұрын

Harrison Mixbus.

@nelejanbbi4616 15 күн бұрын

@@vigilantestylez i personally use reaper, lsp plugins, airwindows, as well as some plugins by u-he. i also know that bitwig, renoise, and some others have linux versions. sadly, not enough for there to be an user base that is "viable" for companies :(

@jdc6681 15 күн бұрын

Yes, then reason his computer crashed would be lib update/dependency Hell.

@wpgspecb 15 күн бұрын

I like how insane you are.

@nelejanbbi4616 15 күн бұрын

@@jdc6681 developers could customize and stay with what is stable. and then not update unless it is necessary

@JoshTolbertUrbana 14 күн бұрын

Hello, IT guy checking in. Supporting lab equipment with in-built computers is its own special flavor of IT hell, and I simply can't fathom buying a console with an integrated computer that isn't a standard form factor. We have so many pieces of kit that we have to air-gap from other computers cause they have an OS we can't update, plus just finding ways to keep old stuff going if/when the computer that runs the gear fails is miserable. If you're buying high-end gear with a computer built in, the manufacturer almost certainly expects you to come to them for paid support down the road, or at least be replacing it on a pretty regular interval. Windows is okay. I've certainly had less problems with Windows at work than I have with Macs, and tons less problems with Windows users whinging about things...That seems to be all Mac users want to do. :(

@michaelhead875 16 күн бұрын

The summer of 2016 I purchased a new Presonus StudioLive 16.02 interface/mixer. Loved the sound and functionality. Then, this past February, the unit stopped working. I contacted Customer Support and was told the unit was out of warranty and they would not repair. They further stated that they would not supply parts or repair information to any third party. Never will I buy an interface/mixer combination again. It's an open question if I will ever buy another Presonus product. To end on a positive note, based on one of your videos, 2 years ago i bought a pair of Kali 8. That really stepped up my game.

@edgardotoro-quinones6581 15 күн бұрын

Glenn, I've been following your channel for a while, have learned and employed some of your concepts. Having said that, I listened to this video mixes on different speakers including some JBL 306 MKII studio monitors, I found that your Neve mixes sound more "punchier" and tighter with some enhanced top end and more presence as well. I do agree with you as people need to stay away from cheap ear buds and really listen before commenting. Thks for sharing your knowledge...take care.

@2thedeathoffun 16 күн бұрын

The Neve kick and snare sound smoother.

@joshuamartin7932 16 күн бұрын

The Neve definitely sounded louder and punchier which is great for metal. But either way, the average listener probably won't care. They both hit hard and are mixed well.

@kevinbatchelor9566 16 күн бұрын

Definitely a huge bummer man. Really sorry that happened. Fear of computer failure is one of the reasons I opted for console that didn’t have a computer built into it. I hope they get you sorted really soon.

@alpegg75 13 күн бұрын

I noticed while you are speaking, the mic is cutting out occasionally. Seems to be cutting out quickly at times in a weird way. Is there a sensitivity setting on that automute thing that needs adjusting?

@iphatbass 16 күн бұрын

Have Automatic repair ever repaired any pc ever??? I never saw Windows self diagnosing tool fixing any problem ever 😅

@genevai2893 15 күн бұрын

windows self diagnosing is equivelent to the lil engine that could "i think i can i think i can "

@scottbaxendale323 16 күн бұрын

That’s why I like API with automation.

@951258tike22 4 күн бұрын

Sadly, Neve will most likely stop supporting this as soon as the last warranty out there is expired, then the only way to make your 100k paperweight work again is hoping some hacker opens up the firmware for future modification. Consumer/pro electronics are in a very sad state these days.

@johnkirk6980 16 күн бұрын

In the comparison section the neve seems to be more transient overall which does sound better to my ears. It seemingly gives that life and bounciness to the different elements in the mix

@Dan-of-NJ 16 күн бұрын

This is when you rethink the benefits of analog

@gonzoengineering4894 15 күн бұрын

Broke: Going analog for the sound quality Woke: Going analog because every OS is garbage now

@MixingMusicAnalog 15 күн бұрын

Well, that sucks Glenn! Sorry you had an issue with a brand new console. On my Live stream last night, a few folks told me that you mentioned my channel in one of your videos. I have not seen it yet but thanks for the shout out. Would love to chat with you one day! :) - David

@SpencerPhreak 15 күн бұрын

For a further Neve vs Reaper comparison, I have a couple suggestions: 1 Frequency sweep & white noise comparisons for pure frequency comparisons without the mixing factor 2 For the mixing side of things, how about an approximate amount of time used to do the mixing? Even if the audio was 100% exactly the same, show us the time difference between using the 2 methods of mixing. That is as you said a major factor in the value 🤙

@DreadedMetal 15 күн бұрын

The neve mixes seem to have more saturation and compression that glues the mixes better than the in the box mixes. It's subtle. With a instance of very very light Saturation in the box at the start and end of each process chain I think the in the box could get even closer to the neve.

@davidfuller581 16 күн бұрын

The 88RS runs on Windows XP. I've played pinball on them.

@ishizukahikaru643 16 күн бұрын

Hahaha my studio I work with also uses the 88rs. Broke down often and a tech guy coming over pulling channel strips, replacing parts on the boards. Then they had to leave it on 24/7 cus shutting it down when studio isn't being used cause it to break. Racking up $5k per month on electric bills since the machine room also has to be air conditioned 24/7 everyday through the year. It's cool to look and take pictures with looking like a big shot. But for home studios not recommended.

@davidfuller581 16 күн бұрын

Yeah there are a couple of them where I work. There is always work being done on them, it's a testament to our techs that they're up and running 99% of the time.

@keybored1650 16 күн бұрын

SSL next time, Glen. New Neve ain’t old Neve.

@kenr.b.891 15 күн бұрын

Question: When comparing Neve and Reaper, considering Reaper is only software, what audio interface did you use with Reaper.

@alexcrouse 15 күн бұрын

The automatic cut on that mic has made a few bad cuts, but over all, it's pretty impressive.

@andrewt836 16 күн бұрын

Shit, that sucks.

@bobroberts1530 16 күн бұрын

Yeah, it isn't like Apple ever stopped supporting their own tech.

@Omnil93 12 күн бұрын

Or supporting 3rd party hardware past certain OS versions, forcing you to either update your hardware, or miss out on new OS features. This is why I switched from Mac back to Windows.

@TiamatSorakaSolotop 12 күн бұрын

Yeah, my studio runs on windows for years and I've never had any issues

@CrashMediaMI 16 күн бұрын

Unrelated to the console, you still wear the Carnis Immortalis shirts to this day and it makes me happy to see, even though the band is no longer active. If you ever want a drummer in the studio, I finally got my enhanced license and I’d love to come out and do some stuff one day. I’ll have to bring you some merch from the actual active bands of mine haha

@ANTHONYFERNANDO 15 күн бұрын

Can immediately tell there’s a density/weight and a levelling off of the transients in the neve. The digital mixes were still good, but a definite 5-10% increase in polish on the neve

@jloiben12 16 күн бұрын

This type of issue is utterly unacceptable for this type of platform. I wonder to what extent this could have been identified earlier. Glenn is pretty admittedly not a PC power user. There are a lot of things you can do to identify that you are on the edge of a failure before it happens. But it requires a bit of legwork either in going about learning such tools or in using them.

@potestoniko 16 күн бұрын

I think that if you are paying over 100.000 you should not have to put any "leg work" to notice details that alerts you about this kind of stuff Other than that I think you're absolutely correct!

@nugznmugz 14 күн бұрын

Yall do realize that old analog neves and ssls and apis need constant repairs too right?

@jloiben12 14 күн бұрын

@@potestoniko I fully agree. You shouldn’t have to do anything when you get a product like this. However, just because Neve should have good diagnostic tools built-in that are easy to use, doesn’t mean you can’t be proactive.

@jloiben12 14 күн бұрын

@@nugznmugz Yes

@lorendavie1526 16 күн бұрын

So it's a $100k, Windows-based console. I'm shocked, shocked to hear it bricked itself without warning.

@Dethsoul 15 күн бұрын

Glad you got your console up and running again :0) I recently had a question come to mind. I'm recording from home and mixing best i can, but i usually send out the file for mastering. So my question is this, "what should you keep in mind for the mastering stage when you're mixing". Hope that makes sense, thank you for what you do.

@Renniz72 14 күн бұрын

Can’t you clone the system drive and boot off of it in case of failure? Also, isn’t there a system recovery image on a seperare partition that you can restore from booting off a thumb drive?

@SpectreSoundStudios 14 күн бұрын

I’ve got a call with Neve tomorrow to discuss exactly this