Stick with it. You will improve a lot as you go. Making sure you have 8 locks will save your ammo and improve your DPS. Rock and stone!

Agreed!

The ceiling cleaner every time I walk into a room with the LOK-1 I sweep the roof with the macro lens.

Also those flying brain things and fester fleas are a joy to shoot.

Yeah. But it feels like cheating so I don't do it. It's not fun

@@henkdetenk3480 Shockers?

Great points! I have played around with the 3 locks electrical ECR at tier 3 and inferno on the BC. It is viable and performs well. I still find more often I prefer to have super blowthrough and HVC on the breach cutter but both are viable. R&S!

@@GamingExistence There's hardly anything in this game that you absolutely cannot make "viable". That's what I love about it! R&S!

Glad you found it helpful! Yeah I personally think dash is pretty essential, can't really live without it now.

Dash is definitely not mandatory for high level play. It's a great perk don't get me wrong. But if you're good enough you never have to use it. I almost never use it.

Id say scout doesnt really need it but he's the only exception.

Really glad you enjoyed the video! It is really fun to use. Don't think I would have done as many extra hours of DRG without the fun of using this gun this season. Yeah I used that ovetclock on the BC for ages. Can't go wrong with it. I just find HVC works for me and 2 shots is normally enough. Happy hunting! Rock and stone!

When you master the extreme mobility of the scout, you really can't go back.

Mining, of course.

Never a problem to hear the video is good, thank you for saying it! Great that you are enjoying the Lok-1 even without executioner. Sounds like you are having some great results and your build is really interesting. The inferno video was also very interesting. I had kind of written off the overclock but it has made me think twice about it, thanks for sharing. let me know how you get on when you get executioner or if you have success with other overclocks! Rock and stone!

Yea I will, have a feeling that it will do better and with the LOK-1 doing more damage it might be better to switch of Inferno for the armor shred but I’ll have to some experimenting.

@@rpegaming7564 Always worth playing around with things yourself :)

@@GamingExistence Oh 2 things that I didn't really mention and might be nice to know is that the LOK-1 heavy benefits from animation canceling the reload, Almost cutting the time to reload in HALF if done perfectly. ( kzfaq.info/get/bejne/irdgYNykvZO-iGg.html ) And that electric chem 20% stacks if the target is both shocked and on fire. There's also other oddities with the bonus damage (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/odKjlpakmKreeJs.html).

@@rpegaming7564 that animation cancelling is crazy! Kind of hope that gets patched as it seems like a pain and metagaming to try and master it. Thanks for the info! Will help for sure with how much I reload it!

I have started doing something quite similar with oppressors and preatorians, rather than not shooting I take a bit more time to ensure or limit wasting ammo. Good idea though! I really found the SMRT gear mod causes more issues. Like you say, without overclocks maybe it is good but it is counter intuative to multiple overclocks and even other gear mods on the gun. Ammo can be a bit of a joke on anything other than Executioner and ECR. This is why I made the poll your thoughts post on steam. It is still live, put your thoughts down and maybe the devs will listen and make changes! steamcommunity.com/app/548430/discussions/1/4739473745768444591/

I think if you use it more you will start to feel its power. Going back to the stubby and pinging long range targets instead of killing them myself highlights it every time for me.

Thanks for the comments. I used ECR for about 5 matches only so not lots of experince. Really annoyed me trying to limit locks to 3 but, it is good for the hordes for sure. I found the Lok-1 lack of ammo was not great when focusing hordes. Lots of people on the forums swear by ECR though! I like executioner because it allows the engineer to kill threats quickly and still manage hordes.

Thank you sir. For Karl!

Try this one ☺️ kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d9OYepanzrGwdJc.html&feature=shares

Yeah i do miss having a larger magazine size on the breach cutter! I used to love promixity mines but sine season 2 and using the Lok-1 I have gone over to plasma and really liking them. Happy hunting for the overclocks! R&S

Yeah solo duo or even with 3 and being able to take additional ammo reduces that issue. To be fair most EDD with 4 people you get to the final mission with loads of extra nitra. Wondering if more players need to take more damage options and just call in more resupplies!

Awesome! Rock and stone!

@@GamingExistence ROCK ! AND ! STOAAAANNNN !!!!! so glad to see the *PERFECT* engineer primary come into being

Yeah I think that would be a good change! I did the video below awhile ago and you might find interesting. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/er5laZRqxtTXopc.html&feature=share&si=EMSIkaIECMiOmarE6JChQQ

Yeah I was playing around with your build yesterday albeit still taking damage at tier 1. Both work well but I still prefer HVC on the BC and blowthrough. Inferno loses a lot of armour shredding that is handy on dreddy's and the slow on HVC is really useful. Also caught in a bad situation the blowthrough will help. Both are viable and good though! Rock and stone!

@@GamingExistence Update: I've switched over to Blowthrough for my multiplayer build since I can't rely on the widebeam breach cutter as much to destroy hordes due to the more chaotic nature of multiplayer. Also widebeam can cause friendly fire issues especially on Salvage ops.

@@chunderfpv good call. I would think you would need the extra BC ammo at tier 2. The more I edit videos together the more I see how good super blowthrough rounds is. You get far more benefit even if you don't always see it or feel it. Been doing some slow motion edits recently for other reasons but then see the blowthrough being really strong. Thanks the update! I also did a ECR at tier 3 comparison in my full build guide video incase you have not seen it and are interested!

Yeah quite a few people like Seeker. I could not get on with less damage and the hit to burst fire speed. Yes got some analysis here - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d9OYepanzrGwdJc.html

Not silly at all! I would assume they only go through small targets. I could be wrong, it seems likely a fair assumpsion to make that they won't go through oppressors preatorians, dreddys and so on.

Blowthrough does go through heavy armor(like oppressor plates). It still won't damage the oppressor that way but you can shoot things behind it.

What main do you use instead? The Executioner overclock for me is the best one, some people swear by Explosive Chemical Rounds though. When I first used each overclock a few times I thought the gun was rubbish. Now I main engineer with Lok-1 and Executioner. Watch the video and perhaps give Executioner a good ten games in a row and see how you feel. Rock and stone!

In my overclock analysis video I must say I did enjoy using the ECR. It really has its place and is a valid option instead of the executioner. Rock and stone!

Tbh for me its probably the reason to stop playing engineer

@@psyRengar why, u can just switch weapons hah

Try both and see what you think. But with executioner you want to target specific enemies often at range. The wider angle can make it harder to get all the locks on HVT (high value targets) ((see my scout suggested gameplay video for more info)). That's why I suggest the smaller target but see how your gameplay works with both. Rock and stone!

More details in the link below with a video where I go into more detail regarding your question. I have started to use inferno on the BC and will try the ECR and EGM again but at the moment I am still sticking to what I say in the video below. Blowthrough has saved me multiple times, the +40% is very situational. Regarding 12 locks, I can see why it looks good on paper. In reality though it will cost full lock potential and slows you down applying those locks. Let alone magazine size causing issues where you need 12 ammo to get the executioner bonus. Go back to 8 locks and give both a bit of trial, I think you will end up with 8 locks. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m62gZqtiq7enomg.html

They didn’t change anything. He is using the overclock executioner which reduces it to 8

@@friedtomato7067 ah i see, thanks! i might have to wait until i get that overclock then to really start using it

Great information. I might test it and put in into a video. That ECR vs oppressor with less than one magaziine. Is that making sure you stop at 3 locks and get the explosion damage? Presumably the time to kill increases but ammo is saved? Also if this in reference to the oppressor I pause and zoom in on. I actually realise at one point I only get 7 locks, thus losing the +20% from tier 5 and the +50% from Executioner. Making that clip... Less than useful... My bad :(

@@GamingExistence yeah, you sacrifice your time for ammo. Still use more than anyone else on the team though. Keeping it on 3 locks only is easy for single targets, for swarms you need to have them up close though.

@@denniscleaver3559 Good info, thanks! :)

@@GamingExistence Explosive also kills via the aoe. MASSIVE ammo conservation

@@WhatWillYouFind and Dennis, I have a video hopefully going up tonight with some analysis on what you are saying! R&S!

I think the point you marked looks ok to me. It's going up over and hitting the bulbous weakpoint on the back. But I agree sometimes it looks like you hit armour but don't, other times it deals no damage when it looks ok. Hopefully this is something that can be improved with animation tweaks. Good spot though!

Don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing! 😃

People like Seeker and ECR. If you don't have any of those or Executioner I wouldn't use it on an EDD but give it a shot on other missions to see if you like it

I've been advocating this since it came out, call it the DVM-B module (dumb) which turns it into a solid normal machine gun.

I understood your point perfectly. Oppressors can cause issues. Acid spitters, mactera and menaces are the biggest threats though when it comes to non grunt swarm threats. I still think the gun needs a bit more ammo also. That's why I did my poll post on Steam - steamcommunity.com/app/548430/discussions/1/4739473745768444591/

@@GamingExistence To be honest, i have to say, that the way you can aim with lok-1 if pretty interesting. I even liked it first, but the more missions i played with lok-1, the more problems I realised. It's sad for me, that the most interesting gun - is (IMHO) at the same time the weakest. And I replied in steam))

@@General_Fragrant_Soap what would you say are the biggest issues you found when using it?

@@GamingExistence One of the main problems is a decent time and often occurring delay when firing. Almost all conventional weapons work like this: You aim at the enemy for a few milliseconds -> you pull the trigger -> enemies immediately start taking damage and soon their number decreases. There are other guns (cryo and leadstorm). The shooting pattern is different there: You aim for a few milliseconds -> you pull the trigger -> you wait about 0.5 seconds -> you start dealing damage. But these two guns are very different from the same lok-1, because if you start shooting, then you can shoot for a long time and deal stable high damage. Bugs that get closer to you die at a much more stable rate. And you do not need to wait AGAIN after each burst. For lok-1: you aim for a few milliseconds -> you hold the trigger -> you wait -> you fire a small salvo -> you aim -> you hold the trigger -> you wait -> you fire a small salvo... And so on. Not the most comfortable shooting I would say In the game, where there are a lot of melee opponents, they are fast and tend to get close, these constant delays greatly spoil the use of weapon. Lok-1 is not just bad at close range. It is VERY bad at close range. Compared to the m-1000, which is usually used at long range, the lok-1 loses again. m-1000 is not so convenient to use in complete darkness, yes, but the scout has lights. At long distances, the m-1000 shows itself remarkably well, and helps very well when fighting priority targets. But she also helps quite well to shoot bugs crawling close, because it has decent dps (Which will be less during one burst lok-1, but the overall dps is still higher, because there is no need to wait between shooting), high total dmg (It's twice as big as lok-1's. Yes, you may not hit with 100% accuracy, but even 80% accuracy gives you an extra 30% of total damage, excellent accuracy and ease of shooting. My opinion is that lok-1 MUST have almost the same total damage as stubby, because one weapon performs well at close and medium range, but mediocre at long range, and the second, on the contrary, is excellent at further, acceptable at medium and bad at close range. Another problem with calculating total stubby damage is that electricity damage doesn't count. It's 30 damage with a 25% chance (unless upgraded). If we calculate the maximum efficiency (which is unrealistic of course, but just for calculations), then it turns out that the maximum damage from electricity is about 5000. Even if we assume that we realize only a quarter of this potential, we get another 1250 total damage. That's equal to 60 lok-1 rounds (no damage upgrade) and it's HORRIBLE. It turns out that the stabby doesn't really have a total damage between 4500 (the very minimum) and 7800 (the maximum at 12111 and light-weight rounds). It's somewhere between 7000 (minimum and bad build) and 12000 (good build + decent shooting) depending on the nature of your shooting and build. Oh yes, I forgot to say that there is another + 30% weakspot, which I did not count, but I'm too lazy to recalculate (to be honest, it should be mentioned that these 30% refer only to the first component of damage and do NOT affect electricity damage). And for lok-1, everything is almost the same as it is: 5000 total + weakspot bonus. Otherwise, we CANNOT guarantee that ALL of our hits will be on wkspt - then +0.8 wkspt cannot be directly applied in calculations either. And if we assume that ABSOLUTELY every shot we fired was at a weakspot, we would get damage in the region of 9000. I decided to recalculate the ABSOLUTE (and unattainable) maximum for stubby. This is 7800*1.3+5000 = 15000. It doesn't really make sense, but just for beauty))) I'm not even going to draw any conclusion. I have expressed my opinion in the text. What do you say, friend, is such a detailed answer enough for you?))

@@GamingExistence Sorry for waiting, I just went to sleep, because it was about 1 a.m. ))

The general consensus is that Executioner makes it but the ECR overclock and Seeker overclock also get a lot of love. If you don't have an OC I would use something different on an EDD until you get one of the above overclocks. Lots of people say it performs great with no OC on lower than H5 and some even found it ok on H5 with no OC. I will leave you to decide. Rock and stone!

@@GamingExistence I found warthog to be better since i have overclock for it (maybe because i am not too good with the loki) i will probably start using it if i get overclocks for it.

@@kazakhstanceo OC'S can make a big difference compared to vanilla guns. Also most guns have a learning curve, trying different gear mods and OC'S until you find the sweet spot that is good regarding build and your skill using it. The Lok-1 is probably on the extreme end if not most extreme for that process. I picked it up multiple times and could not get on with it until I got executioner, played around with it loads and realised how powerful it is.

I want to love this weapon but the outcome for how hard it is to play it isn't worth it for me at this point imo. I hope i can get one of the good overclocks and give it a good shot beacuse i am not a huge fan of the warthog either. (edit: i got executioner litterally 2 minutes after writing this comment wtf)

@@kazakhstanceo Lol! Enjoy!

If you are using Seeker rounds sure! I would say the others you kinda need to aim even more :p

Somehow I managed to get this far into the game and only find out about it from comments on KZfaq. In my build guide video I cover it. Trying to condition myself to do it now!

@@GamingExistence it’ll turn into muscle memory lmao I played apex after playing drg and was doing it without even thinking about it lmao

@@pingawingman7710 What do you use to cancel the animation? I have been using right click but it stops the run animation. I was thinking of using the ping scanner as you can run whilst doing it but I woul dneed to remap it to a mouse friendly button. Right click is just so easy....

@@GamingExistence I play on console so I just press L2 for the pickaxe and it cancels the animation

Every single build for everything I use?

I think he means the build including the secondary weapons and pickaxe Loadout etc

@@ThoriaX Hahah yeah thats what I meant yeah, thx ;-)

@@GamingExistence Nope, i mean the full build in this vid, so what do you use on the axe/suit/secondary ;-)

My next video will be exactly what you ask and I will explain my reasoning behind it with video clips for the engineer. For now though if you go onto my EDD videos it has my breach cutter load out. I obviously use plasma grenades and the following: Sentry guns: Gemini; defender; max ammo; max mag Platform: repellent and ammo. Armour: -1 second delay; overcharger; shockwave Pickaxe: reduced delay Passive perks: friendly; born ready; resupplier Active: Dash; shield link Hope it helps. I use these but experiment and find what you like! Rock and stone brother!