haha, same!

Rock Roll ditch the wife, you’ll go faster

@@swedishdagger8410 Lmao ....

399 can build a decent gaming pc

@@Tyler-zw4kq Yes, if you are buying it from a company who makes very high profit oriented prebuilts. As for me i built mine not more for 900 and it can run a lot of games over 100+fps

True!

Also conditioning and good legs make a huge difference.. I used to ride my uncles $15k bike when I didn't know how to ride and it was hell, now that I kind of know how to ride, I have a $500 Jamis bike and I feel like a pro😁

can you give me some links for some good bikes in 500-700 dollars ratio please?

@@jozefvlk7148 2021 releast boardman 8.6 £550 and its amazing

And here I am scraping together money for an $80 bike just to be able to ride again *cries*

A car freaking rips up the climbs, dont know why more people use them 😂

A bike is faster than a car, especially in the cities.😁

Or maybe an e bike..... hehehe

Or dope like Armstrong😂

@@mysteriousu5528 And everyone else he was racing against.

the fuck is a diffrence between wheels and tires

@@davidknavs9418 The rubber bits and then the carbon rim/spokes/Hubs. Tires can give you let's say 1 MPH and the wheels can give like 2 mph. I'm been super vague but..yeah hope that helps :)

Even on slower speed that 129$ bike give up at least 2 mph to best road tyres alone (with same given power). They should always use the same tyre on these tests, because that is the first thing everyone is going to change in anyway, and it's an easy upgrade.

You're kidding right?

you'd have wheels more expensive than the whole bike at that point

👍💪🚵 you are strong very strong or maybe...you are just Superman ! 😉😀

@@baronerotto well... nobody has seen me and superman in the same place before

Ok Clark, i'il see you somewhere...

With all that use, I hope you spent the ten bucks for the two-year service plan, just in case.

@@robbchastain3036 no way, a waste of money. A Walmart bike would never fall apart! I spent that ten bucks on hallucinogenic energy gels.

Raul Ocampo By 5 years you mean exiting the bike shop after purchase

NuggetNewton Salty! Haha

Raul Ocampo nah, nothing has resale value anymore. Especially cars. The moment you leave the shop with anything it’s worth 1/3 what you paid. And when you can get a UCI legal bike at 6.8kg for under 3 grand why pay 7-12 grand.

In 5 years that Canyon bike will still be worth $3000 or more, used. Trickle down doesn't work that fast. These are not Intel CPUs.

@@indonesiaamerica7050 it will be worth WAY less. I bought a Tarmac Pro for $3500 6 months after it came out, very few miles. It retails $6000. That wasn't even a great deal, just a regular deal.

That's all you need. I used to have a Giant bike in college. A sub-$500 bike that never failed and I rode that back and forth to campus, left in the rain, rode in the rain, no failures, ever. Was it light like a feather? No. But did it work? Yes. Did people laugh that it wasn't $7000+? No. Actually got lots of compliments from people walking to class wishing they had a bike instead. About to get an "entry" level bike from REI since there isn't shit else to do with COVID-19. Hopefully I won't be insulted by the $7000 cyclist.... FACTS!

John disagree. It’s not that it lasted forever! Necessarily!!!! It’s that people Kept using the same POS and consumerism wasn’t as prevalent than it is now. Nowadays people change bikes and skis and snowboards SEASONALLY. I find a ton of quality items and the individual selling just keeps wanting to “upgrade”. I promise you, keep your $8,000 bike and keep using it and it will Surely last you 10 years but no, you want that Dura ace now! It’s lighter than the POS Ultegra you have. 😂

@@michaelb9940 I still can't get any cyclist to explain this obsession with bike weight to me. If you are not competing at any serious events, then isn't the point of biking to get in shape? Why make it easier at the expense of thousands? Why not take those thousands and eat better or hire a chef or buy something else or go on a vacation? It makes no sense. I went to the bike shop this past week looking for a new Trek gravel bike. They are all sold out of the ones I wanted. Guy tried to get me to buy a $2100 bike saying if I got the class below it at $1500+, I'd grow out of it a few years later. What? What does that even mean? I'm not growing anymore. If anything, I'm looking for an alternative to running. That alternative doesn't mean I'm sitting and cruising around town while my 15lbs bike does all the work. Just get a motorcycle then.

TraumaER here’s my view on this. I personally perfer light bikes. And yes it make a huge difference. Best way to go about it - even if at leisure - rent an expensive bike (not sure where you are but if you have a Sportbasement they’ll rent top of the line bikes) which then you can put the rental paid toward a purchase. You’ll def notice and feel the difference. Good components and how light a bike is will have a big impact. The only argument is how far you’d want to take it. I think caping it off at $2500 is a sweet spot for a new bike. And I’ve noticed bikes that are more expensive doesn’t necessary mean better or lighter. I’ve ridden heavy aluminum bikes and then feather weight carbon frames 15lbs. It’s a big difference and you’ll be excited to ride it every time. Just a personal opinion

@@michaelb9940 thanks for the reply. Yeah I've been watching some of the Dream Build videos on KZfaq and all I see is a lot of unnecessary customization and labor spent on things I don't care about - like the frame color scheme or how the cabling is routed. I also think there's a point where lighter = more risk to fracture or failure. Yes lighter is cool. I found out at the shop this past week when I did the standover test to see what bike size I need. I was like whoa. I'm used to the weight of a Giant entry level mountainbike. However, that bike never failed me. I only sold it because I moved and my thinking at the time was it would make moving easier. Kind of wish I had it now as I have no bike and bikes are hard to come by with the COVID-19. My plan now is to get the Trek Checkpoint ALR line. I just want one that has the color scheme I want. If I'm paying $1500-2000, the bike better look good at least to me LOL! The only bike they had last week was matte black with turquoise lettering. No thanks LOL!

Did the breaks work?

Stefanos Prokopis well ofc

The version I first bought was called the Genesis - same thing though - Roadtech. I ended up getting all sorts of used parts from my cousin who builds bikes. I still have that bike - it's got Shimano Ultegra 6800 shifters and cassette, a Truvaxis or whatever it is 3 ring front chainring, Cane creek brakes, Shimano R500 wheels, and Schwalbe Pro One tires. My oldest son rides it around and it's actually pretty fast. I also bought it because I wanted to do a triathlon but wasn't sure I'd like it. So, I invested as little as possible. The entry fee to the race cost more than the bike. But, I averaged 19mph over the 20km's (Sprint Tri). And I bought a new bike two months later even though I'd put all the parts on the Roadtech.

@@stefanosprokopis6974 they break

Way better IMO!

Personally I feel both are poor. I think for accurate results to give people a full idea of the reality you'd need to compare about 4 cyclists of different weights and fitnesses and have a decent entry level bike perhaps in the $400 price range. Something with the Claris groupset and close to 10kg in weight. From the data I've seen as the cyclist gets heavier or less fit the performance gains for an expensive bike drop off quickly and this walmart bike is particularly bad with a heavy steel frame. Some walmart bikes are aluminium framed and can drop another 2 maybe 3kg weight on this bike. I bought a new dual pivot brake Claris equipped road bike in the UK for less than £150 while on offer. I bought it in the very largest size and weighs 11.5kg but in the medium size it's less than 11kg. My favourite entry level road bike is probably the Claris equipped Giant Contend. That's sub 9.5kg in weight and has been sold over here less than £400 for last season's model on occasion. How would a Contend fair? I just feel this cyclist is perhaps close to his minimum weight and looks very fit. Maybe a 90kg rider of medium fitness would have very different results and would find a $500 claris road bike would pretty much deliver all the performance he needs with extreme diminishing returns above that price. Just to put it into context though if you fully adjust and service the walmart bike you still have a road bike that is superior to many retro steel lower end road bikes sold in the 70s and 80s and possibly 90s. While the brakes are a bit rubbish today they brake better due to aluminium rims, it has wider gearing and the gear levers are safer up on the stem. It also has both drop and top bar brake levers which adds some safety over more expensive bikes. For someone looking for a commuting bike which will have a high risk of theft the walmart bike seems great. Not only is it not such a big deal if stolen but would probably put off thieves stealing it in the first place. I'm no bike snob the walmart bike will be a great choice for many people and a strong steel frame like that will be structurally very strong more so than carbon frame and forks. It has the ability to be abused dropped, kicked whatever and survive such abuse.

@@bonzobanana1 I disagree... I am a heavier rider at 220lbs with medium fitness and I recently went from a $400 bike to a $2,000 bike and the difference is drastic. I don't necessarily care about speed as I'm not a racer but riding my normal loop the fastest I ever went was 1:09, first time on the new bike I did it in :55. But the big difference was comfort. Riding 15 miles on the old bike left me aching I now regularly ride 30+ miles and feel great at the end... I'm thinking it has to do with the inferior components and materials on the cheap bike making the ride harsh.

@@brandony1711 I can't argue with your own personal experience but one $400 bike is not the equal of another. If I went into a local bike shop with about £340 which I'd guess is about $400 for a road bike I doubt they would have anything for me at all except perhaps a part exchanged bike where as if I chose carefully online I might be able to get a Claris equipped sub 10kg bike. I don't think comfort is the issue though as that can normally be improved with better tyres, saddle etc and bike fit of course. There is also safety though. Carbon forks and frames are much more likely to fail and without any prior warning plus brake performance. I still feel this whole situation needs to be addressed in a much fairer realistic video where a range of decent bikes for their price point and different types of riders to give the full picture on benefits and diminishing returns of each price point. I think comparing medium to high end bikes with a walmart bike always favours the more expensive bikes but a more realistic entry level bike might surprise people how close it gets to higher end performance especially with older or less fit riders.

He shouldn't have used a $129 Wal-Mart bike, though... Of course that's crap.

it's all about the ride, the physical exercise,and the time spent outside

Ha ha ha ...very funny and slightly true comment. The difficulty of pedaling the cheaper bike might make for a better workout. The problem is the experience is agony. I bought a Walmart bike and it was a bitch to pedal the damn thing and the gear slipped and crunched...I had fantasies of driving it off a steep cliff.

Fun to say that, but you'll get dropped on group rides unless you are riding with a group that is a lot slower than you on a 'nice' bike.

@@david-sv3kg not so, my first time trial I ever did ( UK cycle clubs often run time trials during the UK season on mid week evenings) I did on a £100 bike, I had denim cut off shorts and a motorhead t-shirt and trainers, I did 10 miles in 27 minutes and beat quite a few guys with £2k bikes, it's the legs but then once you've reached a level the bike will help!

Especially if you carry it on your back instead of riding.

Thanks bro, that makes me feel good

$1000 is by no means mid level. There is a lot of bike between 1000 and 7000. I do think he did a good job with this video.

Yugo vs Mustang EB vs Mustang GT350

There are still Yugos around ?

@@tapdq Yugo is the best. Yugoslavia

^^^^^👍🏿

Good idea

YES VC please

Yes great idea!

that would be interesting. With some minor upgrades he could get the same position on the Schwinn as on the Canyon. Then with the same wheels that would be very interesting.

These prices sit on a log scale, 1000 and 1400 is the same order of magnitude. The $100 bike was also in fact $140. You can bargain hunt and find a similar bike for $1000 on sale online, or you can spend $1900 for essentially the same thing with a fancier brand at an LBS in the high season.

It's "slightly" compared to 7000$, please go to a school and educate

*39.9 percent

@@penkatadrums i was joking ffs

@@thiagowutzkeod2453 wasn't very funny

A more aero position on the Schwinn would have helped a lot. Drag is proportional to frontal area times speed cubed IIRC. And VC was siting on that Schwinn like it was a beach cruiser. Edit added. Speed squared.

@@stuartdryer1352 he is more used to the canyon bike so of course that would help with his position on it.

The wheels.

Elijah Wilkey absolutely!!!!!!

I would bet if he put the Princeton wheels on the $1000 bike, and had it's cockpit setup identical, it'd be way way closer, (or if he tested the Canyon with stock wheels.) Those wheels are WAY more aero, and probably 1-1.5lbs lighter. Tires can play a pretty big role too.

Intervals on the Walmart make sense.

train heavy, race light :-)

Well given that you'll be putting out the same wattage regardless of which bike you're riding this probably isn't the smartest move. Riding a slow and sluggish bike every day will kill your motivation and if you're riding the Roadtech it might actually be dangerous. Those bar-top brake levers aren't going to help you when you're descending on the drops and you need to make an emergency stop.

Exactly!.... My father who was a professional road cyclist in France always trained on heavy steel bikes and then raced on lighter alloy frames back in the 60's. I did the same when training on the track (velodrome).

that is funny

just dont fart, methane rises

@@ohhi5237 but if he farts it acts like an afterburner.

@@lenaart2958 no.

I weigh like 110 pounds so it is no problem for my skinny self

Yeah lose 2 kg and save 6k

Nobody needs a $10k bike unless they're getting paid to ride it... But, if you an afford it then I highly recommend you do it. I've been fortunate enough to have a number of very high end bikes, both road bikes and mountain bikes, and the benefit to high dollar bikes comes down to a lot more than can be measured in an 18 mile loop. There's a certain degree of added enjoyment in every pedal stroke, every corner, every gear change... If you love to ride and it's not going to leave your mortgage unpaid, treat yourself.

put some 1700 $ light wheels and a good transmission like Ultegra or 105 on any bikes and you will go faster ! The frame is a plus.

Your old chain is very weak now. Don't hammer any sprints. Just my 2c. Ask me how I know.

Cuz you accelerate like a schoolbus and ride relatively slowly paces. Give me your Spesh and I will finish up the drive train in less than one season. Once your average watts hit 4.5 W/kg and above , drive train components regardless of the price tag melt like butter.

@@geoffreyanderson4719 With his casette worn out that much I doubt he can propel the bike an inch as the chain has nothing to grip to. I wonder how he is shifting gears too.

If you don't change chain soon, you will destroy your casette and chain rings. Don't be cheap. Change your change.

Cassette and chainrings already trashed. Will be replacing the whole shebang soon. Getting an 11-32 cassette along with upgraded components.

And that the cheapest bike is more giving up the hill, since you need to push yourself more. Then on the next ride you ride your 1000+ USD bike and is faster :) I have a cheap bike (250usd) and a more expensive (2900usd) and I ride both. The biggest difference on the cheap bike was when I changed to better brakes (like 30usd for a pair of sram force) and better wheels (I think I paid 150 for the campagnolos). also changed the gear cables.

4. Descending is easier

@@AndrewTSq No, the Walmart bike impedes performance in ways that also impedes athletic progress. The sweet spot for training is the $1000 bike. There's no debating it. The smart buyer buys only the wheels from the $7000 bike if he's interested in peak performance to investment. The Canyon frame only pays off if you're worried about prize money in the pro ranks. Or you don't mind paying a lot for tiny gains. But that's not the theme of the video.

It's not really progressively smaller gains in terms of the bikes he showed... Difference in price is 8~10 times more $ from cheapest to the middle one and smaller difference of 5~6 times more $ to the Canyon. The gains are reflected very closely by the prices difference in each section you gain the same proportion (or even better for the Canyon !!). Also they will get progressively bigger when adding distance and fatigue. I get that you probably mean the absolute difference in dollars and performance per dollar, but you can never calculate anything related to physical activity, engineering and/or price on absolute difference. For example 3 cars - $10k - $100k -$1m will give you similar delta for your gains while with absolute difference from $10 - $20k - $30k you may not even see difference or it will be very very small.. When you get to the human limit as mentioned in the video you get the feeling that your gains are progressively smaller but it is actually your body that is the limiting factor and upgrades are noticeable only on longer races (since they take less of your efforts for the same performance) If your ability was *not* limiting factor and you get hypothetical 35k bike (5 times the Canyon) I suppose it is very likely that the you would get the same 30s difference in the section that you got 30s going from 1.5k to 7k.

or all kinda obvious really. did we think the100 dollar bike was really best and was being kept hush hush? lol It isnt in question, is whether its actually value or whether its logical for 99% of cyclists to invest in. Id take a couple of decent motorbikes than a bike any time lol

shop on decathlon

Old bikes are cheap. I bought a 1986 Cannondale for 65 bucks that weighs about the same as that 1300 buck Schwinn with a beautiful hand made frame.

early 2000s road bike or commuter

@@maydaverave where did u get it

@@iloveGod-yp5kp Thrift store.

Frankie Velo I put 1,000 miles on mine before the bottom bracket fell out and the brakes just stopped working

Why not a 3000 dollar bike then? This choice of bikes makes a lot of sense: the very bottom, the sensible enthusiast choice and the high end.

awesome idea

There’s not a whole lot of difference between a $100 bike and a $300 bike

@@NicholasJens There is a huge difference.

Pffft what does it matter? Itll still prove that you have to pay a lot to get a decent bike. Unless you get lucky with a used bike.

Position on the bike is even more important. But wheels are a close second.

Brilliant idea. And, adjust position to be as aero as possible-maybe lowering the bars & longer stem if needed too.

Aaron Householder a slammed stem will be enough! The wheels will do the rest! time gap will decrease dramatically.

@@jimmyguerrero8148 👍

@@jimmyguerrero8148 facts

Thanks for the regression analytics! The later discussion that asserts more power would be required for the lesser bike to make the same time as the more efficient bike makes me wonder what the relationship between price and power to achieve the same time. Something like "Power_walmart_to_canyon = f(7000,100)". (assuming WM has the capability to handle such a large number over the given time) Also, in your experience with other data, do you expect to find the regression constant and exponent converge, i.e. would they be a function of cyclist power, mass, etc. given the same course/conditions?

Hey FFT I have data question! What would Froome do on each of these bikes...can you work it out from your analysis?? Love your videos

Beautiful!

FastFitnessTips: Cycling Science! Depends on weight as well so how much more would a bike cost for a 115kg rider to achieve the same times. Not sure how heavy VC is?

Nick Bevan however a heavy rider on a Walmart bike might just rip it apart on the first hard effort. 🤷‍♂️.

Just get a good used bike. 10 times better than this walmart shit.

1k+ bikes 2nd hand = 400$ good bike

I has to fit or you won’t get much exercise it you can’t get comfortable.

@@ohhi5237 and get one a bit older and a bit more run down and fix it up yourself and it'll be around $100.

robby tm what about showing off to your friends and neighbors? Isn’t that a factor???

Lance Armstrong: "Is that a challenge?"

1000W Ebike says it can....

the funny thing is that isn't the bike it's the cyclist!

@@therunner6195 ikr

This

@@mode90x Rotating mass becomes irrelevant at speed, there are of course limits but having DEEEEP aero rims on a near aero machine and then saying it is possibly faster than a Walmart bike is I hope a gimme.........

Research shows (you can look up) aero rotating mass wheels has been greatly exaggerated and tests show almost no factor no difference. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j8yAhdhnprazmJs.html Its basically marketing thing.

Thank you

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Damn, so true 😔

@@2deep2hard I dont know if the pun was intended

Americans: No!

No fuck you

What a show off you are not everybody has walmart cash i had to do it with a chinesecrapio from ali express

GaaraVII so I should get 100 dollar bike for training

You can train hard on a good bike too.

100% agree.

I find high-end alloy wheels typically outperform low-end carbon wheels, but when you step up just about any entry-level carbon wheels from a name brand, Mavic, Roval, Bontrager, etc, there will be measurable improvements.

Ksyrium

Redo this loop with the same carbon rims on the Fastback and then get back to us with your findings. I bet those modest gains start to look way more competitive when the whole package becomes 3k versus 7k. Also, you didn’t mention the different conditions for each run, so we assume there weren’t any major changes other than temperature, right? I’d be very interested to see the data for such a run as a follow up.

@@TheVCAdventures It's not just the wheels, upgrade the tires on a 1000$ bike, this will also help beginners go faster at lower watts.

Pollo Frito 😂💯

You should go for some used bike for 200 that was originally around 1k and invest another 200 or so in new tires and cables and some grease. It will ride like a 2k bike in no time.

YOU WOULD DO BETTER GOING USED MID HIGH END

Well, I went another route: spent a little more on a bike (300€, 11,2kg ) and started upgrading components over time: a light aluminium wheelset (

Get the $1000 bike, but get it used. (It will cost $200)

Unless watching por...... Oh wait.

@@EviLNox8 this isnt porn?

Not even to interacial gay porn vids??

@augsome hey what anime is that on your profile pic?

A deflated vinyl ball wrapped around a bat thrown by superman.

That was a great analogy btw.

Stop eating sugar and carbs. Best of luck 👍..

I'm pretty sure some people dislike his videos simply because he has the word "vegan" in his name.

I actually work at a Wal-Mart and I think VC gave the Kent a fair play. What bugs me are the guys who trash 'em like it's a joke and don't seem to realize any bike can be reduced to a bucket of bolts.

Idk I feel like the 1299$ probably could’ve gotten something better.

The video is complete garbage. It means nothing.

I used to work work at Wal-Mart. We have *zero* interest in defending the quality of the merchandise sold there.

Interested too!

@@sharinglanguage The difference would be minimal and would be more about effort. I have a carbon blank/knock-off/Chinarello ($600) what ever you want to call it. With 50mm carbon wheels off craigslist ($200) Sram Red cranks, Force duerailler, Whole package is about $1500 maybe? The thing is a MACHINE. i LOVE it. Constantly setting Personal bests. scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45166339_10156707867694076_3636122186126721024_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=4479099f863e85e550d8bed7088b79cb&oe=5CB7B7F9

@@andrewchapman30 link for the frame please?

@@mordybrafman www.velobuildmall.com/vb-r-010-2017-new-aero-asymmetrical-carbon-fiber-road-frame-p0100.html

Does spending thousands of dollars on a bike make you feel nice inside? Like you could maybe do tour de France now? Or do you people have some weird mentality, I use bike on road=I am car= my bike needs to cost as much as a cheap car AT LEAST