I'm in the same boat, I never liked the look of it. Seemed pretty messy.

The game has a lot of problems, specifically with the controls, however if you can get around that the game is quite great. The ability to make so many decisions that can affect the game makes it very replayable. From simple things like killing or not killing, to how you respond to questions they can alter how the story goes. It is a shame that the bugs and non polished nature of the game hurt it so much.

It's... good, but yeah, very unpolished, and it's not on my recommended video games list. Would rather have the game be remastered, if not remade these days.

I loved Alpha Protocol. Ran almost a dozen campaigns, half of which were recruit hard mode. The other half were veteran hard mode. Gameplay was complete ass if you didn't spec into pistols and stealth, but the story was so interactive I just fell head over heels in love with it. When I first arrived in the Taiwan hub and Omen Deng commented that my stealth suit doesn't blend well in a public subway, I immediately restarted the mission in casual clothes and he praised for good field work.

@@orangesoda4535 i always tried to get everyone to like me for the longest time until I found out that if you piss off Marburg enough it changes his boss fight. I need to do a playthrough where everyone hates me.

Eventually, it will be made. In some form, in some way. The only question is when. And I hope that the answer is soon.

i feel the same way. some tiny part of my soul still hopes even after ~15 years it may happen one day.

I'll just think of it as an offscreen moment of awesome and be done with it. Besides, even if a KotOR III does come out, it will be deemed as some sort of a letdown regardless of its reception.

it's basically nihilus at this point

@@LluckyStrikee me too my friend me too. i also hope that the winds of winter will be released but we'll see

@yourface0707 I wish I could erase it from memory and play it blind again.

@@CyaSpaceCowboy If they invent a pill that does that I will abuse it for kotor 1 and 2 and for RDR2 haha

Same here. I get a little too excited about KOTOR discussions, especially 2

Literally came here to say this. Scrolled down and saw your comment. Nothing to add. It is an echo of death.

me too friend me too.. it's painful

It could still be but it's possibility is low right now. The first thing that should be done is considering Swtor it's own story and not part of the established Kotor series.

@@thorshammer7883 agreed that would be a good start. I really did not like what they did to revan and the exile's characters in swtor or the novel at all

That's just the way it is... an emptiness :(

@@thorshammer7883 Yeah, agreed. Besides, SWTOR is a swiss cheese of plotholes, so the larger universe is better off if they remove SWTOR from the C-Canon of Legends

it would've been so funny... i can just imagine the dialogue hahah

Suggestion: Master, would you like me to blast this Sith Lord?

And then Bioware made Mass Effect with same concept of something big is coming to destroy the galaxy.

If only he could resurrect trask ulgo,Trask could have soloed vitiate

@@safi6749 That would be easy.

@@safi6749Trask would of been such a good companion aswell

Imagine if we’d of got a fully finished game with the HK assassin droid factory added along with the droid planet M4-78 where we would of found Master Vash alive and had to redeem her Padawan Kaah Ohtok who fell to the dark side after being separated with Vash and thinking she was dead later learning that Vash and her Padawan also had a force bond. We’d of also had an extra companion in Devaronian Jedi Knight Dvakvar Grahrk who could of taken the lost Padawan that we find in the Dantooine ruins Kaevee as his Padawan plus having Ahrnell the force sensitive Twilek mercenary join us too becoming the exiles Padawan. I wish that Atton had betrayed Kreia by revealing to the exile that she had been blackmailing him using his past leading us to start questioning who she really is with Darth Sion revealing that Kreia was his and Darth Nihilus master until they betrayed her when we face him on Korriban with us having the option of redeeming Sion after defeating him in battle breaking the force bond with Kreia making her think the exile was killed by Sion before we return to the Ebon Hawk with Sion and are attacked by Kreia leading to the whole crew fighting Kreia alongside the exile and Sion being the one to defeat her with us taking her prisoner and turning her over to the returned Jedi council on Dantooine who are joined by Atris and her Handmaidens, before Visas Marr informs us that it’s time to face her master who’s attacking Telos and the Jedi Council sending us to avenge the fallen Jedi lost on Katarr with Darth Sion going into a bacta tank to heal his wounds letting go of his hatred and allowing his body to begin healing while we save Telos, redeem Colonel Tobin and defeat Darth Nihilus with Visas being the one to finish off her former Master before we return to Malachor where Mira defeats Hanharr a second time before convincing him to let go of his hate and become her ally and the exile destroys the planet using the Shadow generator a second time allowing the exile to let go of his past healing the force wound within him before we return to Dantooine and the Jedi council finding the Jedi academy full of familiar faces of Jedi who’d survived the purge and gone into hiding such as Carth’s son Dustil Onasi, Yuthura Ban, Jolee Bindo, Bastila Shan, Deesra Luur Jada, Juhani and Belaya, Bolook, Mekel, Kel Algwinn, Dak Vesser and Thalia May and the former Sith academy students we rescued in Kotor 1 as well as a healed Sion who joins the Jedi seeking to make up for his past as the council beginning to rebuild the order with the survivors and our companions leading into KOTOR 3

Agreed. Yet another reason why I hate Swtor and believe it shouldn't exist as something official.

That entire book was a major character assassination for the Exile. Revan, not so much, because outside of Chris Avalon's hints in KotOR 2, there was never any canon traits or character given to him, as he was a complete stand-in for the player. The Exile was not, having a history, lore, and previous character arc already that she was already aware of in the game, not having had amnesia like Revan.

TOR should become an Infinities story and not a sequel. That is how the game should work.

same what a terrible lazy ending for such a complex fascinating character. it was wack

Shout it louder for those in the back

Indeed. To hell with Swtor's art style.

True, but some gameplay elements and mechanics will be changed for quality of life improvements. Examples would be pazaak being less unfair (but then again, save scumming will stay), Ebon Hawk turret missions can come back, but with XP gained for every kill and the fact that the computer mouse can be used instead of the keyboard arrow keys, and a way better old save bonus system compared to KotOR II (seriously, picking a Male Light Sided Revan always makes sure Bastila loves him... even though some playthroughs of the very first game might not have romanced Bastila).

So no innovation at all?

@@100StarWars well, maybe minor things and qol improvements like quick save/load, sabacc, improved swoop racing and swoop bike customization that sort of thing, but nothing major or gameplay changing, I love kotor too much to change it. Well except for swoop racing, doesn't feel like race at all.

It just isn't Kotor without those bad graphics

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We need a number 3

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Kotor is a certified classic. It matters not the size of its' audience currently.

Would be interesting!

I definitely know what you mean. The first part of Swtor was cool because you could explore and experience as different characters, but that whole revival of Revan, eternal empire and Zakuul felt like everything was off track. It’s just not as focused as the other KOTOR games.

The because the prick writer of the book wanted to piss off the fans reverence of revan being a smartest baddass that was willing to do anything to for the greater good as a take that trope. Darth scourge carried the back of the book than the jedi exile and even darth revan.

@@johnnyfives5416 And Scourge was just a cheap cop-out so that the novel can market and introduce the new Jedi Knight protagonist instead, to defeat the Evil Big Baddie in their SWTOR game. Scourge's vision is just a lazy plot device to take Revan and the Exile out of the picture in which he kills the Exile and got Revan imprisoned for 200 years. This development in the story feels abrupt and utterly unsatisfying as it disregards the established setups in KOTOR 2 without providing any meaningful payoffs. The plot conclusion heavily relied on the overused "I had a Force vision" trope to conveniently transition into the Jedi Knight storyline in SWTOR. How ridiculous...

Punching enemy droids with the force sounds lit

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Everyone keeps saying that BioWare has copywrite over the game. I have a really hard time believing that since back when Lucas Arts was around one they commissioned Bioware to make the first game to begin with. For the second game LA did ask if Bioware wanted to make a 2nd game which the latter declined. LA did not ask them for permission to make a second game the second game was going to be made and it obviously was. For mmo The Old Republic I'm guessing it was still owned by Lucas Arts but EA must have requested the right if LA went under they could still keep the game up and running.

To me personally, I liked to see the true sith as well demons who lurked within the depths of the unknown, beings who wanted death of the light side (sorta like palpatine) and were planing to cause an invasion that would’ve caused it, and revan and malak seeing the horrors the true sith has caused almost immediately fell to the dark side and wanted to convert the republic a war machine that could survive them Maybe a little outlandish but something like that

word same. i like the idea that they were ancient monstrous dark entities that ruled entire swathes of the galaxy and weren't remotely human. dark lovecraftian enemies

@@aamirrazak3467 Possibly near on forces of Chaos amounts of danger while being something inhumanly alien like the Darkness from Destiny?

@@thorshammer7883 I haven’t played destiny but yeah that sounds good. An enemy that was so evil and inhuman as to defy comprehension in a conventional sense. The true embodiment of the Sith belief

@@aamirrazak3467 Maybe them being something like the Daevites and the Scarlet King from the SCP Mythos as well as mixing elements and themes of different stories like the Watchers from the book of Enoch could work out as well. A truly evil and inhuman Sith Empire could sound like that creating the most evil horrors and monsters and committing the most profane and wicked acts.

KOTOR 1 was fantastic. KOTOR 2 (without the restored content mods) was so-so. With the restored content, yes, KOTOR 2 was brilliant.

Eh, I played 2 without the RCM and I still loved it

@@jamesh6024 KOTOR 2 even without the restored content was brilliant

@@jamesh6024 If I recall correctly, Obsidan pushed KOTOR 2 out in time for Christmas 2004 when it wasnt really ready which is what spoiled it. It should have been relased in 2005

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This comment didn’t age well, Im worried what happen in the KOTOR remake

@@dylanroemmele906 if they don't change the story and put the option of turn based combat,we will be fine If they touch the story,we will have a biggest outrage than the last jedi

There's not an adjective in the dictionary that can put into detail my excitement hahaha

@@100StarWars Hope you do a playthrough as soon as it comes out. 🙂👍

You can certainly expect that!

Hahahaha

Never say never... right?

Swtor could just be a multiverse thing. Its a fun little adventure but not on par with kotor

You actually don't need to have a starting weak character. You can import a character like Mass Effect 2 o 3 and, if you hadn't played 1 and 2, you can always start anyways in level 20 or whatever as a full Jedi Knight. That would be a change for once in a Jedi-focused Star Wars game.

I enjoy those mechanics myself

On the one hand DnD would mean that it was a traditional rpg and not a modern one and that is always better. Even though a few games have shown that the modern style gameplay, be it first or third person, can be ok, they're still inherently weaker. On the other hand the DnD system is one of the worst rpg systems out there and there is always the danger that the ridiculously bad fluff of DnD would inspire the game. I'd rather have a good plot instead of the DnD power-creep-as-story-and-killing-as-the-solution-for-everything. Got enough of the latter in all the Marvel yawn fests.

It's cool right!

1) The Exile would never "follow Revan" for he never did follow Revan. He would've gone to war after any other senior Jedi, Revan or not; 2) Revan didn't trust the Exile and Malachor V destruction was not what Revan planned; 3) The Exile dies along with Kreia for by killing her he cuts himself from the Force once again and nobody can survive this twice. All the Kotor story is about being tricked. Like all Jedi do you listen but do not hear! "The Sith is a belief". Yet, you may go look for your some "true Sith" if you'd like to. What shall you find? - A man.

@@highbird4986 I have no fucking clue what are You talking about.

Sad indeed :((

What's it about if I may so ask?

@@thorshammer7883 Kotor III?

@@mendicantbias5211 No like the details is what I mean.

Yes please. For reference, there were other interviews with Chris Avalon talking about the True Sith and what they would've been like, and I think that's the article !00% Star Wars is trying to reference at the end. Basically, the True Sith were supposed to be based on The Shadows from Babylon 5. Horrifically powerful, brutal murder-hobos who hate the will of the Force so much that they formed an extremist ideology of worshiping warfare and death. The destruction of Taris? Nihilus's consumption of Kataar? The Mass Shadow Generator's use on Malachor V? These kinds of horrific, terrifying, and often genocidal actions would have been _commonplace_ to the True Sith, as if it were their standard tactics in basic warfare. The world you would have visited would have reflected this, each one the victim of a different event of mass destruction or slaughter brought about when the True Sith came in and conquered them. Chis Avalon also, I believe, mentions in this interview that they were originally an extremist cult with connections to Naga Sadow, likely started by him, that fled into the Unknown Regions of the Western Disk, past the Great Hyperspace Disturbance (or whatever it's called), at the end of the Great Hyperspace War. There are also hints of the possibility of going in that direction throughout TSL, mostly in item descriptions and hidden lore. The most blatant one is the Charric disruptor rifle. The Charric was a mainstay weapon of The Chiss Ascendancy, a weapon that fired extremely potent maser blasts that not only disintegrated flesh and bone on contact and bore through the toughest shields and armor, but _also_ struck with such great concussive force that it sent targets careening back, and made it impossible for lightsabers to deflect as they would be knocked from the user's hand. This weapon is in the game, yet the Chiss were not discovered until sometime _after_ the events of TSL (somewhere between 5-50 years later). The Chiss homeworld, Csilla, was swept up in an unexplained ice age in the year 5000 BBY, the same year as the Great Hyperspace War, and is so inhospitable that the Chiss live deep under the ice, as close to the warmth of the inner planet as possible, with their underground carriage travel routes having been dug through the planet's bedrock. The world is just beyond the edge of the Western Disk, and it surprisingly close to Lehon, homeworld of the Rakata and the now-destroyed Star Forge. I think they were setting up the possibility of the protagonist of KotOR III discovering the Chiss Ascendancy, and possibly convincing them (or some of them) to help fight back against the True Sith, who they likely would've had hostile contact with before, explaining both their ice age and their far more potent weapons and technology. The Chiss may have even already have broken free of the True Sith Empire, considering their weapons and tactics, and may have been advancing technologically as a direct result of their rebellion. They may have even already taken some of the worlds that were in the future Ascendancy, or maybe some of those worlds would have been stages of conflict in the game. Also, from a game mechanics perspective, if they had really intended the Exile to be the protagonist of the third game, they could have made some excuse for her power being drained whatever point she ends up crossing through the Great Hyperspace Disturbance at, or maybe she comes into contact with an artifact of some kind. It's even possible that the destruction of Malachor V at the end of TSL (light side) and the death of Darth Traya somehow disrupted her connection to the Force again, considering she was connected to both so greatly, though this explanation feels the weakest.

Heh, Shadows... "Who are you, and what do you want?"

Mood hahaha

I literally never played it. The obvious cash grab of switching to an MMO disgusted me. I stayed away in protest of the dropped ball that was KOTOR 3

@@Maverick8t88 it's still a good game dude. The character stories are very good but it's not Kotor 3 it feels like a whole separate game (which it is)

@@antonhallergren588 Yeah I sure do love flirting with all the twi’lek females

Certainly a plausible explanation!

A hybrid huh... interesting.

@@100StarWars One idea that came to my mind based on DS Bastila’s holo recording on Korriban was that you would find another one of the companions of KOTOR I in the game, someone who also went looking for Revan, and they would become a member of your party. Who this was would depend on which ending you chose for KOTOR I: if you went with the dark side, you get Bastila. If you picked the light side, I think that Jolee Bindo would be a good choice.

@@inventorking9124 idk why exclusively dark side would be bastila….to me it would have to be canderous or HK…canonically bastila is always light side and her + revan were both together in the light in the end. Ya they both faltered, but Jolee is definitively more grey/ dark side than bastila ever is. Cause he’s always walking the line. Where as they are on one side or the other. Mostly the light, and that’s where they both end at. Revan only not if you consider swtor but as an mmo, I really don’t suggest using that story as your canon

@@957kakashi Well, if you choose the LS ending for KOTOR I, Bastilla stays in the Republic to protect it in case Revan fails. In the DS ending, she goes after him.

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There's some imaginative ideas there: there's a Lord who thinks he created the universe as a test for himself, his brother who is basically a Warhammer character, a pair of twins who mentally enthrall a planet...it's kind of crazy.

I wish so much that we got the True Sith as some kind of eldritch Lovecraftian entity, rather than discount Darth Sidious

I'm seeing a few people saying they would want to keep the combat style!

agreed on both counts, i hated what SWTOR did to Revan and the exile's characters, as well as ignoring bastila. I also despise how they made the interesting true sith into some lame sidious knockoff that's apparently immortal. the True Sith sound far more terrifying than anything we have seen from the sith so far, i wanted to see that

I agree with your first sentence for sure hahah

I think our best shot would be if the remake is canonized in Disney canon, and then we could theoretically get a canon KOTOR II remake and canon third entry. I doubt we could get a third entry any other way.

Interesting! I would've maybe given it a go if you could buy it, but alas you cannot anymore :(

Would could have been indeed :((

Patience is a virtue ;)

TDLR?

@@100StarWars the guy I think you sound like but you don't hear it. His channel is called tldr

Shadow of Mordor huh... now that would be interesting in star wars format!

Oh wow really? Care to elaborate why?

@@100StarWars it felt like a mix between Mass Effect and James Bond. And even with the glitches and bugs, it was fun.

Awesome.

@@100StarWars yep

I don't think we'll ever get a direct KOTOR 3 sadly.

@@100StarWars unfortunately you’re probably right

That's actually not a bad idea for the Sith and seems right up Obsidian's alley. They basically did something similar with the Sith Triumvirate.

It could but some things have to be cleaned up and rid of first. Like Swtor as part of the official canon that thing is standing in Kotor 3's way in my view.

Honestly, the hype and expectations for KotOR 3 would be so high and the gaming landscape has changed so much, there's no way that it wouldn't be disappointing. After 17 years, I think it's best that we don't get it at all.

@@yorecf9641 I would still want to play it. It can still impress. It only depends how it's made and executed that's what matters.

@@thorshammer7883 that's what I'm getting at. People would want to play it; undoubtedly, there would be people who would enjoy it. The problem is that there is no way that it would meet everyone's expectations. Think back to Halo 2 and how that turned out (or even KotOR 2 when it first came out, as it was derided by literally everyone as being inferior to the first game due to Development Hell). If it played the same as the other games, it would be derided as being archaic and not innovating. If it changed everything, it would be derided for not being like the older games. That's not even getting into the story and how it would undoubtedly change from what Obsidian originally planned (especially if they aren't the ones making it and it goes to an EA studio).

@@yorecf9641 What do you mean by Halo 2? I thought the majority of people liked it. I do not see how that's going to be a problem.

Fallen Order is Basically Star Wars Sekiro.