You’re gonna jinx. It’ll be some young black kid giving financial advice to some old white couple. Or medical or legal.

@@jaycee30865 what?

It’s one long ad for Vortex actually.

I think the sponsor is… uhh starts with a V… umm

Bdc testicles... 🤣

They make a crossfire vmr???

Hey Jason, how did it turn out and how do you like the scope? I'm getting ready to put one on my 7mm-08. God Bless

Happy to hear that, Randy! Thanks for being a part of Vortex Nation and let us know if you have any questions about anything!

Those are drastically different circumstances.

@ Carter Thiessen You're so right! I owned an ACOG for a while, a TA11H-G 3.5x35 for 5.56x45. Just for grins one time, I actually checked the dope on the BDC out to 600 meters, which is all I had available, using standard 55-grain, 62-grain and 75-grain loads fired under rigorous conditions. It turns out that the BDC wasn't even close to being on out past 300 meters. It was sold commercially at a big-box sporting goods store, and did not come with documentation for the specifics of the reticle (as Trijicon supplies to the military and LE contracts), but long story short, I eventually discovered that they hadn't even installed the correct reticle in it. But even if the correct reticle was in it, you can still get a ton of variation depending on your specific FA, load, shooting technique and zero, and environmental conditions. IMHO, the best BDC around today for ARs is made by Primary Arms, whose patented ACSS reticles are state of the art. Even Trijicon had to license the ACSS since they could not develop anything better than did not infringe on PA's patent.

Glad you found it helpful! :)

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I've been commenting this for a year and still haven't gotten them to do this, I even asked why 300 RUM never comes out of Ryan mouth😂, I love mine! And it's a flat shooting SOB!!!

This was with a Leupold vx freedom creedmoor scope but i plan to play with this on a couple vortex scopes next. I also tried it with a 26” barrel 270 wsm and 140 grain vortx factory ammo and older Leupold lr duplex scope. Zeroed at 200, it aligned closely enough with the dots to keep exact 100 yard increments. Easy to remember

If you’re only using half magnification, especially on just a 3-9x, then the shot shouldn’t be enough distance to require hardly any hold over anyways

In Strelok Pro your able to get bdc info for reticles at all magnifications of given a scope.

@@joelgoodrich3709 Yup! Decided to use technology and use the Strelock Pro! 👍🏼

Nice! Pretty slick little trick there.

@@VortexNation Yes,I learned that little trick on Nikons spot on app years ago,or like Jimmy said,just get a Ryan 😁

Just to clarify - something different than we went over in this podcast? - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ndBgZsqUmrmdh3U.html

@@VortexNation well it’s a distinction without a difference actually. What’s popular now is caliber specific ballistic turret, which is fine and dandy for one load, but what if you have a softer load for a specific application and want to use the same dial? Mind you it’s easy enough to figure it out, but the industry trying to talk you into the need of getting another dial. Just a random thought, that’s why I’m a fan of the diamond back tactical Love your show guys

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Just kidding. Cool round.

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Thanks for the English class

Right on! If you have any questions or need any help, don't hesitate to reach out.

Great question - they might not line up exactly in 100 yard increments, but they would probably be pretty close. That is based completely dependent on your ballistics. Here is a link to our ballistic calculator where you can run your numbers: lrbc.vortexoptics.com/#!/ Also, here is a link to a video showing how to run the LRBC and how to relate the information you get to the Dead-Hold BDC reticle: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b52dac-hmsDHe5c.html If you have any questions, please let us know!

bdc scope for that flat shooting 270 ??

If you are using a second focal plane optic (SFP), which most BDC reticles will be in, you would need to be at the highest magnification or predetermined magnification for those subtension values to be accurate. When not at the highest magnification, you can do the math to figure out the value of each hashmark. For example, if you have an optic with a max magnification of 16x and you want to use it at 8x. You would simply take the magnification where it is setup (16x) and divide it by the magnification you are on (8x). You would then multiply that number by the subtension value (1.5 MOA for the first stadia line on the Dead-Hold BDC reticle). (16/8)*1.5 = 3 MOA. You can use this formula for any magnification setting, but as you can see if you are at half the magnification, the value is worth twice as much. If you are at 1/4 of the magnification the value would be worth 4x as much and so on.

@@VortexNation thank you for your reply I appreciate the information!! Keep up the great work.

When talking about magnifications other than the one your SFP scope is calibrated to, now we REALLY need to start thinking about the hashmarks in terms of what MOA values they represent and take out the original corresponding distances altogether. If your second hashmark was 4.5 MOA on the calibrated magnification (Let's say that's 10x just for easy math here), and that wound up being your 300 yard holdover for a pretty typical .308 around here, backing the zoom out to 5x now would mean the image is half the size in relation to the reticle which hasn't changed, so that first hashmark is now 9 MOA down from the center. (The reticle is now bigger in relation to the image which has gotten smaller, so all its values will now be bigger). A 9 MOA hold with that same typical .308 would get you out to roughly 450 yards using rounded numbers here. So, as you can see, the MOA value doubled by backing down the magnification by 1/2, but the DISTANCE did not double. This discrepancy only gets bigger the further you go. If you're going to use the BDC on other powers, just be sure you're fully aware of how much your bullet is dropping at various distances so you can adjust accordingly.

@@VortexNation That is an amazing explanation. Thank you

Sounds like you will have to have it set at 9/highest magnification.

Puzzling and perplexing this particular post.

The BDC is faster to use at known distance. If you have time to do the extra step, the mil/moa will be more accurate . Depends on size distance to target , and if target is moving.

BDC reticles are useful in certain tactical situations, for example a soldier or Marine needing to make a rapid snap-shot on an enemy fighter, without time for doing careful range-finding measures or the like. The Trijicon ACOG was revolutionary when it was introduced back in the 1980s, because its reticles had built-in rapid range-finding tools, such as range holdover hashmarks calibrated to the width of the typical enemy soldier, around 18" wide at the shoulder. Going back further, the Soviets in the 1960s had their PSO 4x scope with a stadiametric range-finder based on height. Range, dial in your range on the turret, and sent it. If you are a hunter or competitor or whatever, and need great precision, then a BDC scope is probably not what you want, especially as ranges lengthen. But if you are dealing with a standard-sized target at a predictable distance, say the brisket of a deer of 18 inches deep, then something like a RF feature might make your shot easier. That's all a duplex 30-30 reticle is, is the thinner section of the cross-hair is calibrated to the size of a deer at 100 yards. Even some iron sights - such as those found on a Springfield M1903 30-06 bolt-action rifle, are calibrated for a specific caliber and load, say M1 Ball 173-grain and or on, M2 Ball 150-grain. You flip up the ladder sight, and it is graduated in yards, not moa or mils. It worked because those riflemen - Marines or soldiers - were not target-shooting but wanted "minute of man" accuracy, and also because they were using standardized military issue loads which were identical or nearly-so in their characteristics. But having said all of this, people's preferences certainly vary. Use whatever works for you.

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Should be the maximum which is 12x magnification.

Ryan was using one of his phone apps in this one - it was very likely either iSnipe or Shooter Ballistics

@@VortexNation thanks

@@VortexNation The viper HSLR on my 7mm-08 seems like it will fall under the Class A. Class A. 100 yrd zero. 30-06, 308, 270. Class B. 200 yrd. Zero. 300 win-mag, 7mm mag. However I think I want a 200 zero instead. Wiill that throw our hash marks off to far? What do you think.

@@I_am_archie Easiest thing to do with all this would be to give us a call and we can help you get a profile really nicely dialed in. 800-426-0048 Extension 5 will get you the best people to do it!

There are a couple other factors needed to get a good input on the LRBC. You can input all of your information right here: lrbc.vortexoptics.com/#!/ Also, here is a helpful video to show how to run the LRBC and relate it to your Dead-Hold BDC reticle: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b52dac-hmsDHe5c.html If you have any questions or need any help, give us a call at 1-800-4VORTEX ext. 5.

I love my 22-250, but this sounds amazing! Sounds like quite the barrel burner though

or 22 Creedmoor. and my Valkyrie AR is quite alive .

@@TacticallyTasty actually no. the heavy pills will be running at a lower fps than say a 40 or 55 grn bullet so your barrel life would be longer. but the higher b.c. of the heavy bullets would more than make up for the speed of the lightweights at longer distance. really wish savage would make the 12fv in a 1:8 or 1:7.5 twist flavor 22-250 from the factory along with the 1:12 for the varmint hunters

Yeah but a 22-250 isn’t an AR15 platform cartridge..

@@devinb3397 Thats not true. Olympic arms when in business made it in the Ar 15 platform. Look up the videos of them shooting those guns.

Holy chit that's funny!

At half magnification it's probably safe to assume that you are in the ballpark of 1/2 of the MOA values at full power. Your 7.5 MOA hash becomes 3.75 MOA

If your scope is first focal plane they are on not matter what magnification, if it’s second focal plane it will be off

Rangefinder

@ Wolf - Some BDC reticles have RF or range-finding features built into them. The Primary Arms ACSS reticle line is an example, but there are also others - such as Trijicon's ACOG or even older, the old PSO type system used by the Soviets since the 1960s and copied by people like IOR-Bucharesti Optics of Romania in the present day.

Bullet Drop Compensation

"BDC" stands for "bullet-drop compensation," and BDC reticles have historically had appeal in certain situations for hunters and tactical marksmen such as the military. Most long guns have what is known as the maximum point blank range, a range - it varies by caliber and firearm - at which the sights can be used without adjusting the sight setting or zero. The military calls it "battle sight zero," but the idea is the same. For something like an old M-1 Garand rifle, of WWII-Korea fame, it was designed to shoot 150-grain M2 Ball or full-metal jacket ammo at 2800 fps out of that 24-inch barrel, for a battle-sight zero of 275 yards, which translated to - I'm working from memory here - the ability to aim center mass at an enemy soldier and hit without adjusting the sights, from 0-300 yards. A deer-hunter trying to hit a white-tail deer - average brisket or chest depth of 18" or so - will try and set up his rifle so that he can use his sights without adjustment out to maybe 250-300 yards, depending on his rifle, load and so on. Maximum point-blank range (MPBR) and BSZ (battle-sight zero) are fine, but what about a longer shot? Or a cartridge whose trajectory isn't as forgiving? One answer is a BDC, which is a reticle calibrated for a specific cartridge and muzzle velocity, which will be fairly accurate at a known range of distances. For hunters, the Shepard rifle scope company, for example, makes a scope with 18" range-finding circles, which are calibrated for your specific rifle and load. That way, all you have to do when deer-hunting is use the reticle to determine the range by fitting the deer's brisket or chest into the correct size circle (range) and correcting for any wind, and then break the shot. Of course, it needs to be an adult deer and of the correct species, but that's the idea. If you know something on that game animal that measures 18" you can use it to range-find and make the shot ethically and cleanly. That's an example of a reticle-based BDC. There are also turret based systems, which do not range-find for you, but do dial in a pre-set range value or elevation using your scope's elevation dial. Leupold and Stevens, the U.S. optics manufacturer, does their CDS or "custom dial system," which replaces the moa or mil hashmarks on your scope's elevation dial or knob with distance values measured in yards or meters, depending on what you, the customer, specify from their custom shop. So again using an example of a white-tail deer hunter, you'd range-find the deer - either using your naked eye or a laser range-finder, and then dial in your estimated range on the elevation knob and you are good-to-go. The whole idea behind BDC scopes is to minimize complex math problems in the field so that the hunter or sportsman (or soldier, as the case may be) can concentrate on other things. Sometimes, that deer with the huge rack of antlers is visible only for a few seconds, not enough time to sit there and figure out the math if the shot involves that. The key piece of the puzzle, if you are a hunter, is that you must not attempt shots which you are not reasonably confident of making cleaning. You want to make an ethical, clean kill of that deer, not inflict needless suffering on it or have to track a wounded animal for five miles or something. That's with whatever kind of sighting system you select. And if you are new, get someone experienced and who knows the ropes so to speak, to show you how to do it properly. Everyone's a beginner sometime, right?