$9975 ftfy

What about the price of the phone?

@@blunderbus7791 You got it!

@@mostachiocam1598 about $975.00

​@mostachiocam1598 Well, he did say an I Phone so yeah it's a waste too.

indeed....

Yep, that’s how I use mine. Dope, dial, splash, oops, adjust, impact. Nobody wants to admit the ooos part, but it happens.

First point he makes and it's wrong lol. Quite the incredible expert.

The 5th shot should be in with the 1st shot.

@@thehoneybadger8089 correct 5th shot.

I have always been told that is the Difference in Spending $400 vs $2k on a Scope! If you are not making adjustments every time you shoot! You don't need a $2k scope! If you sight your rifle in, and DO NOT touch your turrets. A $400 scope is Perfect! This is just my 2 cents!

although, most ammo doesn't shoot 0 MOA or 0 Mil accuracy. that last shot could be 1/2 over at 100 yds if you have 1/2 MOA accuracy with that ammo thru that rifle.

okay but @ 1:37 - "... the curvature of the lens" -- the curvature is FIXED and does not change with the environment - hence a GOOD scope will have the tree lines compensated for any (fixed) curvature effects, making it accurate. So I haven't watched the entire video but right off the bat I can say this guy is talking crap. As an optical engineer you must surely note the same, at least for this point.

@@foff-666agreed, disappointed to see a crap opinion right off the bat on a video thats supposed to help disprove "myths". telling new shooters that these reticles aren't accurate is such a load of bs.

@@foff-666 honestly I missed that parts but yes holy crap thats nonsence....you do not come into the curvature of the lens at the edges of the FOV (field of view) aberrations do get worse the further off axis you get but if thats what he was trying to say he mixed it with mumbo jumbo

Agreed. The Hyperbole of the initial “expert” was over the top. Scope these various “complicated” reticles are compensated for end plane curvature optic dynamics that DO occur at VERY high angles of incidence and also at the edges do the scopes, but the rationale and explanation for this “problem”. The biggest issue in my opinion (L O L) with complicated radicals is simply more of a site picture and image/psychological one. Meaning, especially in a tactical situation with 99% of even high-end upper tier, tactical operators, the overly complicated radical can be extremely valuable, but in a high stress situation even if it is a one shot Cold War, or even more so a second follow up shot is very much more difficult for the vast majority of long range, tactical or long range shooters not because of this curvature and high angle of incident physics issue, he extract belated, but simply because there’s too much information. Under duress/stress, even the most experienced long range, rifleman, will not take advantage of that radical, which is overly complicated, particularly for vintage but also for elevation. Follow up shots and quick shots maybe elevation and definitely windage, but those complicated Horace type Christmas tree radicals are difficult for tactical operators. Even experience ones. They’re great for prone benchrest. Long range shooters.

Yes. To everything you just said.

What he was probably getting at is that ammunition/bullet drop his more consistent than the atmospheric wind conditions. Most shooters ability to accurately read wind has more errors than the distortion of the image. That's probably why the suggested dialing up for elevation and holding for wind.

Another thing I'd like to point out: On most "christmas tree" reticle scopes I have seen, at the lowest magnification, they look like a duplex, meaning the entirety of that reticle is basically close enough to the optical center for any realistic shooting.

Here’s another two more issues to factor in. Reticles don’t move around while turrets MAY introduce errors depending on quality. Dialing moves the erector tube while starts chipping away at light transmission. For hunting I don’t dial at all. For shooting on bright days a little less light doesn’t affect things much.

People shoot accurately with Christmas tree reticle all the time. The biggest drawback for me is getting lost and using the wrong hash marks.

I agree, look through as many as possible. I have S&B, Leupold, Vortex, Zeiss, Eotech and NF. I have NF and Eotech now as my main scopes and the rest are relegated to the safe (until my daughters come of age). They are all great scopes (high end versions), but for me the NF just looks and feels better and holds a zero like no ones business. The Vudu 1-10 is fantastic for my hunting rig.

Are Leica scopes any good?

Word. Check my link for a discount code! = this video is an add and not a review. I wish I had time to make and edit videos because once people get sponsored they are compromised.

@@MattDonkin430you named off several scopes......have you ever tried an Arken? I have an EPL-4-6240 VHR that has clear Japanese glass and the 0 checks are spot on. I think I paid between 3 and 4 skins for it but I have to say that this thing does everything that many of the 2000 skin scopes do.

It’s a very tall claim. I would expect a some data to accompany a claim like that. How many tenths will I miss by and at how many yards? I’m pretty sure it’s some fudlore bs or he’s employed by leupold to sell more duplex reticles lol

Except when you're zoomed in all the way, you CAN'T use the very bottom of the reticle because you're only able to see the very center anyway. So any distortion caused by the very edges of the lens aren't visible to begin with. Not to mention most modern scopes have aspherical lenses that eliminate or greatly reduce any distortions or aberrations. The guy's advice in the video is antiquated. Ask any PRS shooter if they have trouble holding for elevation and wind while going from a 400-yard target to a 1400-yard target. No problems. MAYBE he was talking about the sight picture going dark while zoomed in all the way and how the edges are harder to see clearly because the exit pupil is so much smaller? I dunno.

Just the way he spoke gave me the impression that he was overconfident in a baseless claim.

The point on magnification verses reticle distortion is well made. The corollary to that is that not all turrets are created equally. The tall target test is required to verify the accuracy of your turret. In contrast, the reticle is laser etched on the glass and is not subject to mechanical variances. Finally, I can range with my reticle very quickly to determine if the quarry is within my point blank range. There’s nothing as fast as a reticle.

Can't disagree with any of the replies above. Well covered.

Really 😮

It depends on when, what caliber and distance you shoot. In sunny weather Shooting 223 over 200 yards even a 100 $ scope is enough...you wouldn't even notice the difference using a 4000$ Swarovski scope. Shooting in the middle of the night 500 yards with 338 is a completely different story. Need a range finder? Options to attach thermal or night vision? Variable magnification? Variable sight? Illuminated sight with color changing? Night vision compatible sight? Parallax compensation? Towers with zero setting, quick adjustable? HUD in the scope? Ballistic computer? And even a simple cheap single shot spring powered air rifle can destroy a 4000$ scope when dry fired.

It is what it is. I understand your plight but that isn’t theirs or anyone else’s problem. If you want it bad enough, you’ll find a way to afford it but whining about the cost of something because it’s out of your price range, with all do respect, is a “you” problem.

My hunting rig is also my long range plinking rifle. Its a Springfield 2020 Waypoint with the CF barrel, wearing a Vortex Viper pst gen2 5-25x50 ffp and magpul sling. I know the dope on that rifle out to 1,200 yards. It makes hunting whitetail at 500 yards and in a piece of cake. Definitely recomend stretching your rifles legs on steel/paper if you get the chance. Itll vastly imrpove your results in close

After decades of research it has been determined that for combat purposes 6X is optimal out to 800 meters in DMR role. It provides good field of view, clear wind and bullet trace tracking. Higher magnification becomes relevant in precision rifle systems deployed in highly trained sniper teams.

I shoot out to around 500m open sight, fitting a scope so that the 300m+ shots are a little more comfortable or in lower light conditions when my iron sights become harder to use. Pecar Berlin 4x81, fixed 4 power 26mm tube with a non constantly centred, interchangeable reticule system. Currently #14 but desperately trying to get a German #1. Rifles windage is zeroed through the rings that way in field adjustments keep the reticule relatively central, while it may not hold zero perfectly it also means I could zero the scope at 400m and leave my sights at 100m so in the event I see a larger group of pig it only takes a few seconds to remove the scope and start smashing stripper clips.

Every scope I mount get the alignment dowel rods (WHEELER Pro scope kit) set in the rings, with caps torqued 10-12"#, to verify vertical/horizontal orientation. Usually also switch to one piece EGW rail and bed if necessary before checking alignment. 2-3 quick strokes with lightly coated lap rod tells me if 80%+ contact exists or not.

Yes but those experts in the video would most likely disagree if all were addressing one subject. So much of this is about what each individual is taught and personal opinions that may not work for everyone.

If you're taking a shot (hunting speaking) within 250yd, then you don't need a tree. If you're going farther out, then you have time to dial, because the animal likely doesn't know you're there. I'll stick with dialing - accuracy

Correct you know what you talking about.😅

It’s a theme of preference and that’s all

Exacly. There is a reason SOCOM and Todd Hodnett of Accuracy 1st use the Horus in the ASR rifles.

@@ryanpeine759 I respectfully disagree. If you need to take a follow up shot, the quicker you can take it, the less likely you will have environmental changes (ie. wind), and using a reticle for the holdover is faster than coming out of the optic, dialing, and getting back on target.

Funny part is, the PST Gen ii isn't the end all of glass. I have one. It's ok but I'll take my Athlon Midas TAC over the Vortex any day.

@@oif3vetk9 The Athlon Midas Tac (6-24x50) is probably the best most reliable Chinese made scope for budget minded folks. Their Chinese HD glass are phenomenal and tracking are perfect and is a better quality option for sure than the Titan and Helix and some may even say on par with the Nexus. I prefer the Athlon Ares BTR Gen 2 4.5-27x56 over any of these 3 lines of Element Optics scopes. Try one out for yourself to see what I really mean it's incredible scope even though they're made in China. It's in fact IMHO also better than any other Chinese made Vortex, Bushnell, Vector Optics, Arken, Zero Tech, Riton, Blackhound and Hawke as well as many more Chinese made scopes too many to mention.

And Zero Compromise, Tangent Theta, Nightforce, Valdada. You'll never go back.

I have seen this happen on very expensive euro scopes which it shouldn't have. My advice to anyone is to take a second and sighted in scope with ring's attached and which is suited to quick attachment bases.

I like how in the comments of a video debunking scope myths, and without any objective scientific data, you decided to unilaterally declare the reason for the scope fogging up, thereby adding yet another scope myth to the list. I seriously doubt a change of roughly 4.5 psi, as a result of an altitude increase of 10,000 ft, was enough to pop any seals. Also, the change in pressure resulting from temperature extremes seen in closed vehicles would generate a more significant pressure differential than 10,000 ft of elevation change. It's roughly 1 psi per 10 degrees Fahrenheit. With a scope going from being stored in your house around 75 degrees Fahrenheit, to being stored in a closed vehicle at about 145 degrees Fahrenheit, that would be a 7 psi increase. If the plane ride was popping scope seals, wouldn't everyone's scope seals already be popped from sitting in their hot vehicle?

@@4WDriver I can only tell you that I had to deal with these customers when they wanted us to reimburse them because their scopes were ruined after fly-in hunts. Any Alaska bush pilot could tell you more about the 'why' than I, but I don't think it's the increase in pressure (like a hot car) it's the sudden decrease in pressure going from sea level to 10,000 feet in a few minutes. I saw this only in the cheapest brands. Tasco was the most common, but also Bushnell and Simmons. I did not see it all in mid-priced scopes.

@@kodiakkeith the pressure inside the scope is what is increasing, relative to the ambient pressure outside, and it is doing so in BOTH cases. In the case of going from sea level to 10,000 ft, the ambient pressure outside is decreasing, meaning the internal pressure is higher relative to the ambient. With the hot car, the internal pressure of the scope is increasing as ambient pressure remains the same, meaning there is again an increase of internal scope pressure relative to the external Ambient pressure. And I doubt a bush pilot would be any better at explaining the why than yourself. In this case, experience doesn't mean anything; only the scope manufacturers and/or a test lab could definitively say why it happens. All you or the bush pilot can say with certainty, is that it does in fact happen.

@@4WDriver dont think you really understand how significant 4.5psi is. Just fyi, airliners can explode with 8 psi above sea level.

They're all I own.

Totally agree. Started using these rings a few years ago and I am now slowly converting all my rifles to these rings.

Honestly, if all your doing is hunting within a few hundred yards, a duplex is plenty. You don't need a fancy reticle and exposed turrets. Just learn your holdovers at any realistic distance you plan to shoot at.

Perfectly fine if you determine your rifle’s MPBR as it’s all you need.

When I bought my latest deer rifle, I asked the store owner (a pretty knowledgeable shooter) what reticle he recommended. Basic duplex, even though he knew I was salivating for something more complex. He was right. He knew how I hunt, no long shots, probably never get out to 400 yards, mostly under 200, usually about 100.

I agree! And way to much hype about having a first focal plane scope. I can't make out the hash marks much below 18 power on a 24 power scope. So what's the use? Not everybody shoots PRS.

The simple crosshairs is my favorite. Im not a recon sniper special forces chad just a simple patriot.

That's fine. I hope you never have to replace those 30 year old Leupold scopes with something made by Leupold in the last 5-10 years, because they are crap. I used to think like you do and now I have enough Nightforce scopes to last me the rest of my life (and probably several other lives too based on how well they are made)

Its pretty simple the average joe is not going out to shoot at 800 + yards. Get a relatively flat shooting set up with some good down range knock down power, zero the rifle at 400 yards, with a pretty elementary wind and hold over chart you should be able to hit from 600 yards and under with out playing with anything. But and I will double emphasize this you have got to range verify your data, considering most hunters are not carrying a wind meter, and the latest ballistic software on there phone little alone crongraphing there ammo this is the easiest way i have found to get the average guy shooting that far with a relatively inexpensive range finder.

Leupold used to be a great scope, and maybe still is. That said, there are MANY more affordable,yet comparable optics on the market now than there were even a decade or two ago.

Sorry all parts of Alaska and wild North America are heaven; to say you carried something to hell and back while in Alaska or Canada is doing a disservice to Gods creation.

you don't know about other scopes, but you think you made a great choice? now thats funny. ever hear of meopta SB trijicon swarovski? they all beat the looopold to pieces. funny guy!

How often do you use your reticle to measure stuff?

@@TMar129I use such method, whenever I operate solo behind enemy lines, as expedition scout sniper. 😅 happens a lot in my fantasy

Good for quick shots in combat situations. Obviously not for long range precision shooting..

You don't need a tree to "measure stuff". A mil-dot reticle, or something similar will do.

I wouldn’t say they’re good for measuring stuff. I commonly use that reticle style for PRS matches when there’s no time to dial

I agree as old john Taylor used to say , simply hold higher .

Yes, with that type bore sighter you can find a lot of scope problems , the old Weavers used to shift about a foot, each time you changed the direction you turned the power , couldn't figure out what was the matter until I used the bore sight , also tap the scope real hard and see if the reticle moves , etc.

Same features but the quality of clarity is night and day. Vortex distorts natural light and causes a bluish hue around the outlines of objects. And they sometimes don’t track accurately. I have a few vortex scopes. Lotsa bang for the buck. But I’ve got a 60mm 12x40 leupold spotting scope that boggles people’s mind with its clarity. And vortex has nothing that can compare to leupolds MK5 HD

@@zackzittel7683 I can reliably hit a target at 1,200 yards with my Vortex and am working my way up to 1,760 yards. So far the tracking has aligned perfectly with what the Hornady app has told me to dial it to. I’ve considered testing the tracking but haven’t seen a need to when it aligns so well with the app. I haven’t compared scopes side by side for clarity but seeing the target at 1,200 yards has not been a problem. From that, all I can say is it seems to get the job done.

Same goes for Leopold's stupidly overpriced red dot sights. Their Delta Point is no better than the Voetex venom or any other $200 red dot.

I also hunt in Texas and the farthest shot I could range for was 250 yards. That being said, I don't bother with MPBR. I dial for distance because even though I have a rifle that can shoot .39 MOA, there is that dispersion. If I introduce the rise and fall of MPBR, I could miss. Especially with one of my other rifles that is out to 1 MOA. So, by dialing to aim with the crosshairs, I should be no more than a fraction of an inch off the PoA. And yes, my scopes do not cost more than 500. But I do spend on the rings. The match precision rings I buy do not need lapping and they hold well.

Sounds right to me. Where I hunt, 400 yds. might someday be possible. 200 is a more realistic max, usually 100 or less. I sight-in for the 200 yd. max and know I will kill anything under that. Your idea of MPBR is a more sophisticated version of that, and really the better way to sight-in, if you have access to shoot at varying ranges to determine MPBR for your rifle/load. Also, at those ranges, $300 glass and duplex reticles do a pretty good job.

​@ronws2007 MPBR is related to your target size, so the same rifle using the same ammo it is different for a Prarie dog, a coyote, a deer, an elk, and an elephant. Of course you wouldn't want to use the same rifle for all those, but the point is MPBR is dependent on the area of your target that you must hit. Gunblue explains this very well and his very practical, no-frills approach to shooting and gear selection is a breath of fresh air when everyone and their mother is trying to sell you the latest gizmos.

Great reply. So, to recap what I wrote before, I prefer to dial distance or hold over in the reticle. The dispersion of the round can be enough plus MPBR to miss. That being said, I certainly value your experience. Beware the man with only one rifle. He probably knows how to use the one very well. And so, my newest rifle is a 7 mm PRC and it shoots very flat. My scopes were less than 500 dollars and really hybrids. Priced for hunting but capable of long range.

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Lower quality 304 stainless will develop light rust spots. Better 316 and others will not.

Burris has a lifetime warranty on their rings if you have any issues they will take care of it.

Seen some single negative reviews about that brand of expensive scopes in the past that were mysteriously deleted on places such as Amazon and some other place I forget where though they deleted all negative reviews.

It would be far from the first time that companies were selling an inferior product because it looks cool so people not knowing better would favour it. That said, depending on your purpose they can probably be very useful or a big disadvantage. If you are able to carefully dial in every shot, doing so and cleaning up your view is probably going to be better. But if you need to shoot more quickly, it provides a quicker method to adjust your aim, if less precise.

He knows experts tho

I always ask myself how it is that hunters were able to take down game 40 years ago without the OCD of modern shooters.

I’ll tell you how we did it 40 years ago with tasco and bushnell scopes using a .270 or 30-06 . We practiced a lot and usually only had one rifle that we knew inside out. The ethical guy regarded as a top hunter back then around the campfire was the guy that had the skills to get within a suitable range to take a animal. My brother once crouched and crawled on his stomach for hundreds of yards through a milo field in NW Kansas during the 1980’s to get a 150 yard shot on a trophy Antelope using his .300 win . He was “king of the hunters” to us for years for being able to do that. Not recognized for “squeezing the trigger”, but for pulling off that long sneak in open country with no trees and little cover. No one I ever knew back then took shots past 300 yards . We would simply find a way to get a closer shot or let the animal walk. Long range shooting was reserved for targets, not attempted on a living animal who would be hobbling around for days till it died from a gut shot at 600 yards. Times and equipment have changed. However I still try to get the drop on a big game animal that puts me in a high percentage shot and use my years of Hunting skills to accomplish that. Then I squeeze the trigger which is the easy part.

@@TheBamayaker Tasco and Bushnell scopes used to be great back in the day decades ago but not anymore. These days they are selling Chinese made junk just to earn a quick buck and the more expensive Japan made Bushnells today don't seem to be as good as their competition sold by other brands.

@@commonsense5709 they were hit and Miss back then too. Most hunters used see through mounts because scope failure happened occasionally on a hunt. The main thing is we used to kill plenty of deer with sun standard equipment. Now days the Marketing gurus and gun writers have gotten deep in the modern hunters heads. They tell us we must have the latest greatest thing to succeed. I use dependable equipment that outshoots me. I really like and believe in good solid equipment- no junk. But for hunting a 1k - 3k scope is not for me. To each his own with his hard earned dollars.

Element Optics scopes have been on sale for close to half price at a couple of retailers and also some price friendly dealers offer them for you for half price sometimes fir free if you post favorable reviews for them.

No, you picked it up for that price because they massively mark up MSRP and sell everything at a "discount". Never buy anything from vortex if it's not at least 40% off.

@difficult_aardvark It was a floor model (technically, a store demo). The unopened stock, same model, cost $1,400 at the same store.

Also new to dialing went to 411 with an arken 5-25 in 300 prc. I looked up the reticle hold over and kept missing, until I dialed. I need more practice. Cheers

@@chadperry4021 man that turret method is a whole new animal lol but it’ll be worth it for sure once I get an accurate dope card made up for it. I jumped on a Black hound they had on sale so hopefully I’m not disappointed. I was going to put it on my 270 WSM but now im thinking im going to put it on my 6.5 creedmoor. Im only going to be deer hunting this year. I didn’t draw for mule deer or elk so i should be good with the 6.5 this year if i have a 300+ yard shot

I wish Vortex offered in the 1x6 LPVO a plain Duplex cross hair for hunters like me. No fancy crap we are never going to use.

@@alcantrell5340 lol the last LVPO I bought was a 1-6x with a nice, simple reticle. It also weighs at least 8 oz less than Vortex.

They are marketing to the tacti-cool buyer, so they may add unnecessary things like oversized drum turrets or mil dot reticles. Rediculous.

@@chipsterb4946 what brand was it, that’s about all I put on my rifles anymore, I like the short compact size. Just don’t like the Christmas tree.. lol

@@alcantrell5340 it was an expensive Leupold: VX5-HD 1-5x24mm weight 13.4 oz. The Vortex Razor Gen II-e 1-6x24mm costs more, weighs 21.5 oz. and is available with a fairly simple BDC reticle. Please note I am *NOT* saying that Vortex is a bad scope. I just have different priorities.

Burris Eliminator is just like cheating. Hard to miss when using them. Their warranty is also lifetime including their electronics.

Finally. Thank you.