Well, when you open the door and sit there waiting for the engineer to charge the line, the fire is going to flow right at you. You shouldve shut the door while waiting for the line to get charged. Control your doors. Dont break out the windows until the line is charged. That is called coordinated fire attack. Stay safe

I stood with a dead, flat 2-1/2" line many years ago, in front of a raging structure fire. Stood there looking like an imbecile for about 5 minutes. It seemed like 5 months. Very bad feeling altogether. Keep safe out there. Regards from Texas.

I’m curious what their monthly and yearly training is in this department. A lot of videos for this department have similar results. Take these videos as motivation to improve and train. Using the excuse their volunteers doesn’t fly with me. You either are firefighter or your not. If your a volunteer than you have to accept that your community expects the best from you when your department is called to serve the community

The need for door control and not smashing windows should be the key takeaways from this video.

What a terrible loss to that family and they’re nice home. I hope they were able to rebuild.

(1) Physically/by hand dragging a water supply line back down the street to the hydrant which the same pumper drove passed on its way to the structure which was on fire, was/is not in any manner an acceptable way to lay a supply line. (2) An Engineer who is incompetent at doing his job which starts with charging the firefighters handline in a reasonable period of time, is unprofessional, dangerous and lacking in mental fitness for the job of being an Engineer (3) Allowing a non-firefighting guy dressed in street clothes to approach the first-in handline as they were entering the doorway for an interior fire attack and then to start shouting orders at the crew is both unprofessional, disruptive and unconscionable. (4) The second apparatus to arrive on the scene failed to immediately lay a second handline to backup the first-in handline, waiting a full 3 minutes before doing so. (5) The ladder/pumper raised the truck's aerial water tower in a reasonable length of time, but the officer in charge failed to order additional ladders to be placed to both the 1st floor and 2nd floor roofs in front and rear. The Engineer should have been demoted for incompetency, there are no second chances to get it right when fellow firefighters have their lives are on the line in a burning building. The street clothed order shouter should also be demoted, for interfering with an officer doing his job. If the order giver was/is a ranked Chief and does not have enough faith in this officers to do what their job calls for them to do without his telling them, then he should demote those officers, not shout orders at them on the fire grounds. The officer on the combo pumper/ladder truck needs additional training in second-in support/backup requirements and proper ladder procedures. Just another armchair firefighter who calls em as he sees em and does not believe in self-congratulatory atta boys when mistakes are made for all to see.

Lot of manpower standing arround, could have pulled additional lines, like one that could have been taken arround the back to knock down the big flames and to protect the exposure homes.

I pity that poor guy at the front door waiting for water,what a fiasco !!!

I wasn't going to say anything to your comments, but this was one to many. As a firefighter paramedic, you should really understand that not every department follows your SOP's or initial attack plans. Before I retired, our departments SOP was the first engine in "brought it's own water". In other words, the first engine grabbed the hydrant and laid in. That was how we did it, and that is how we trained. We were really good at fast attack with all the water we could ever want because we

Why Would You Open The Door And Not Ready To Make Entry? Am I Missing Something Here?

Great video. Do you know what caused the delay in water at the front door? Looked like they could have had it knocked if they had water.

Seriously? You open the door and break out the windows before you have a charged line. The amount of time it takes ff on these videos to get water on a fire is amazing. And yes I been there.

They never should have opened that door before that line was charged. On top of that they vented a window at the same time. In the end it may not have made a huge difference, but it looks bad on Monday morning. Other than that the knocked it out pretty quick. All in all a good job.

Anyone ever heard of flow path...?? Maybe next time you keep the front door closed until your ready to make entry.

Keystone Cops in action, tons of equipment and just standing there watching the building burn to the ground !

"this fire company sucks" - guy who never voluntereed a day in his life ....gotta love people if you yourself will not go into a burning building do us all a favor and don't monday morning arm chair quarterback and pretend like you could do better. i was not at this fire nor a member of this fire department im an NJ firefighter.

Officers! You have to do your 360! This residence was heavily involved in the rear. Practice your size ups. Stay safe. Be aggressive, but be smart.

Looks like they guys on the line were ready, the pump operator...not so much. Once the nozzleman realized he had no water, he should have backed out and closed the door. With that door being open and those front windows being unnecessarily taken out, it created a very destructive flow path. Also, it appeared that they were using a fog pattern to attack the fire with, also not a good choice. This is a video that will be very helpful in training firefighters what NOT to do, and how to avoid making these potentially deadly mistakes!

I am not a firefighter, but why does it take them so long to get the water going? we appreciate your courage and skills, thanks

Ahhhhhhhhh, maybe a few more hours of training for the pumper's engineer/driver/pump operator should be scheduled to take place on his next shift. My thanks to LNOF for posting a well-filmed video.

I hope this dept has done some serious training so a simple fire does go out of control like this

I'm not a member of this department, but if you can honestly claim that your own department fights every blaze without any problems or mistakes, I'd like to shoot a documentary. I've been in the business 25 years, and I have never see a firefight that would be considered 100% perfect. Lou

Oh I love watching these just to read the arm chair firefighters. Want to give constructive criticism? Go to your local community college and take fire science, better yet if you're in a area that needs volunteers..go volunteer or he'll go test for a career position. I see some things that definitely could have been done better and I'm sure after the incident report is finished there will be a review. I also see where there was a mechanical issue. ( you can pre check at 0700 at the start of your shift, get a working fire by 0730 , arrive at 0737 and a pump can malfunction. It's a piece of mechanical equipment it may have issue's. Trust me it's not fun nor does it feel good to be standing there helpless. ) I also see a lot done correctly, when there was an issue with the pump they stretched another line. Then made a attack on another side of the fire structure to where the fire wouldn't be " pushed." Another issue I heard was response time. Guess what? Someone has to call 911 and then it gets dispatched and crews respond. There is no such thing as a firefighter knowing there's a emergency by osmosis and there isn't a teleport option for response. Don't play hero and try to extinguish the fire, call 911 and get out. The size of this fire clearly states there was a delay in calling. ( you can actually go online and look at incidents by fd in any city, town, state. You will see call Times, dispatch Times, response and arrival times)

All I saw was an aggressive attack on a quickly escalating fire. Delayed, maybe, I don't know. But to see hose lines going through the roof so soon after the heavy volume of fire at the door and on the first floor showed that these guys punched it. Kudos to them for kicking ass!

Pause at 2:27!! FF going in front door with no HOOD and and a open coat around his neck exposing his skin! Whoa!!

@coalregionfire there were 3 lines around back, they were pulled as the additional engines arrived and did exactly that, knock down the big flames, on both floors. Most of the fire was knocked down from the back to allow the interior crew to finish it off. You watch closely you can see the streams hitting the roof from the back. You gotta love how there is a Whitehall Chief walking around right by the front door wearing no protective gear!

did you see how much the fire grew when he smashed the windows? Why do PA FD's insist on doing this? It dosen't vent the fire, it just causes flashovers.

No water + adding oxygen = increased fire development

Somebody tell me why do they break windows when a sudden rush of oxygen only makes the ire burn hotter?

One guy at the front door had just a peep hole looking out of his mask.lmao....

accomplish in your career the status you have achieved, start lowering themselves to the level of those types. They may not have performed the way your department does, and they may have had some issues that prevented them from being as quick as you would have liked, but at the end of the day, nobody was hurt (apparently) and they all went home. Isn't that what it is all about... honestly? Captain Engine 732 (retired)

Ya know I'm so sick of hearing how these fire Departments "Suck"!! MOST fire and ambulance companies run full or in part by VOLUNTEERS!!! The loud mouths standing by watching the burn who believe they are QUALIFIED to determine if a company "Sucks", should lend their time and in some cases their LIFE for FREE to such companies they say "Suck"!! These men and woman who put their lives on the line daily for you screamers, deserve at the very least a Thank you. These men and woman have lives and families they take themselves away from to save your sorry asses!! And yes, I am qualified to make this post as I am one of those woman who come to save your big mouth and have been for close to 30 years now for -0- dollars. I raised my children, held a job and still cared enough to leave them at ANY HOUR of the day or night when those tones sounded. So get a grip!

who was running the pump on the first handline at the front door ? no booster tank on your truck ?

Sad they couldn't charge the lead hose sooner.

Props to the cameraman for capturing awesome footage. . . . Teamwork! ! ! Career / Volunteer. . . it doesn't matter you're a Firefighter training is all the same. . . Why pass a hydrant (unless your 2nd or 3rd due Engine is going to bring you water) and walk a 5" back to it? ! ? ! 1st 1 3/4 line, nozzleman wasn't giving that up at all, tells his backup man you flake the line out while I stand here and suck down the air I can be using inside. All in all advanced fire, but they went in.

Task force tips, fog patterns.. FAST, SUPER KNOCK DOWN.. GREAT JOB INTERIOR CREWS

I think they did a pretty good job for being volunteers.

Maybe you should join the fire company and make it better?

A professional department, even a small one, is worth the investment. Or you get this..

I have watched a ton of these an have come to a conclusion that there isn't a fireman on the planet who an handle keeping a screen door out of the way.

paid v's volunteer is an ongoing battle. no 1 brigade can say they have done all things right at all fires. there is no substitute for a going job, you can train all you want but when it comes to the real thing nothing beats experience. these guys are volunteers and are willing to give up their time to protect the community, that should be commended not condemed. criticism is fine as long as it's constructive. hopefully at the debrief they went over the fire and learnt from it.

Charging that line took way too long. And the hose crew needed to step back for their own safety until water was available. They accomplished nothing standing in close proximity to an expanding fire.

There is no excuse why FIRE PUMPER will not work. Take a LOOK at how many fire fighters could have been killed entry to house without water. Truck Engineer is held accountable for all engine actions. Lots of TRAINING NEEDED Folks!!!

It doenst matter if your paid or not you're not just volunteering your time...it aint the soup kitchen....there is a job to do and that job is to save lives and protect property; if If you're not prepared to do the job and do it right..and that means train and be profeccient at it; go somewhere else. I am sick of people that drop the ball hiding behind the i'm just a volunteer excuse

@drcrawfs breaking needless (fire was already venting via the front door) it fed the fire, as drcrawfs stated. I won't go on and on (pile of hose shoulder-dropped at the front door, yard breathing, the backup guy on the pipe not wearing a hood, etc.). As for the career vs. volunteer b.s., it's just that: b.s. There are amateur career departments and professional volunteer departments. You can't lump them all together.

How hard is it to charge a preconnect??? Fire the engineer!

First mistake not catching the hydrant on the way by. That delayed everything else hooking up to a water supply. Second mistake opening the door before having a charged line at the ready. Third mistake not closing the door as soon as you realize mistake number two. Everything else beyond that is pointless to discuss.

Jeez. All set for water, opened the doors and watched the fire grow. Wait for the water first. ( I know it took far too long)

How long does it take to charge a line? They were just standing there with the front door open. Coplay FD needs to speed it up!!!!!! Could have knocked that fire down a lot faster..................

Even the firefighters are frustrated for lack of water.

Everyone is first to criticize everyone else, but they are the last to admit they do wrong themselves.

The importance of controlling the door and NOT taking any windows, until you have water flowing on the fire. Not criticizing by no means, but as soon as the firefighter took the axe to that window, fresh air from outside fed that fire and it vented very swiftly. Looked like a tough situation to roll up to.

I wish all fire videos were of this quality. Good work. I wonder if the front door had stayed closed until water arrived if the fire would not have grown so quickly. I think they inadvertently fed it with fresh air. Shame the house was lost, looks like they tried hard to save it.

Please explain why the personnel are breathing air on the outside out of the IDLH waisting their air supply?

These people came out pretty good if you look at the house now. My little one bedroom 80 year shack is worth four times what I could sell it for if you ask my insurance company. As long as we get the dog and the cat out with us, we’d be poking holes in the fire hoses just to make sure she burns all the way down...”we’re getting a new house and a pool!”

Another piece of advise.. 1.. remember 21 decisions have to be made and information known B4 YOU TURN A WHEEL LEAVING THE STATION.. DISPATCH TIME vs leaving.. fire head start.. 2, time of day.. manpower as volleys are concerned. 3 ,, wind, temperature, humidity. 4. Neighborhood type construction 5. Water supply.. how many lengths have to be dropped.. hydrant pressure at that time of day and night you can expect 6. What units are also responding I can go on and on.. so like I stated b4.. make no comments UNTIL ALL INFORMATION IS FORMULATED ALL FIREFIGHTERS RESPONDING NEED TO BE DOING SIZE UP.. not just officers.. From time putting your gear on at the station, up to 1st orders are given on scene

WTH was the Engineer who couldn’t charge the initial attack line?!

I moved to this area from NJ & I cannot believe the way some of the police depts & fire depts are around here in terms of the amount of members. Some small towns only have like 5 cops & you never see them patroling the streets. The majority of fire depts are volunteer & no one is hardly at the fire houses. I will say when they arrive they do a great job but what a HUGE difference from other states.

You know the general public should really know what there talking about befor they go making comments about the fire dept.

You are above that. The fact is, as I have posted numerous times as well as others, we were not there. We do not belong to their department. We sure as heck don't know what malfunctions occurred, and we can't blindly from our computer desk call bull shit when malfunctions are claimed. Do you know for a fact the hydrant was ok? Do you know for a fact the pump wasn't working? No you don't, and neither do I or anyone else who was not on scene. Also, they are

Does anybody know the cause of this fire? I mean the guy burnt his feet and delayed the 999 call to try and fight it himself.

What an opportunity for a flashover

How about putting some water on the fire?

Anybody can stand at the road and run their mouth but until you have been thru all the training and have fought fire all times of the day and night and last but not least left your family in the middle of the night to go help a strangers family out . I would like to say to all the big mouths out there that want to criticize and talk trash about a dept do all of us firefighters a favor either grow some balls and become a firefighter or keep your hole under your nose shut

what a great video shot at 2:30. Add some water.watch for the rollover.

What was the cause

Good job firefighters ! I would not be there to fight a big fire like this ! Stop to criticize these workers,they are ours heros ❤️

These firemen must be a bunch of those that get big kick-backs from somebody for letting a fire do as much damage as it can before putting it out...........

WHY THE DELAY IN WATER??????

great video !! ty

Best one so far

What took so long to charge the line? Coulda saved more property.

Good job except for the open door and window next time guys

The more I watch these videos of volunteer companies the more I think instead of spending all their money on fancy equipment they should spend it on training, more training, more training and how to work together as a team. That is a loss that should have never been. I might be wrong, but before the first truck pulled up, I'm pretty sure I heard someone say this fire department sucks and another reply they do suck....

Open the front door at 1:45 fed a load of fresh oxygen at the base of the fire. Ought have kept the door closed until water was confirmed. And not break windows unless totally needed (and not below the fire). I also didn't see any vertical ventilation. Guys on the roof with a saw could have let out a lot of heat. I agree the fire had a head start, but the FD tactics left some to be desired. Yes, I'm a former vol FF.

7 minutes into the fire and there are low air bells going off...smh. Stop yard breathing and fight fire. 4 guys stacked up at the door with a pile of tangled hose behind them. WHY? WHY WHY WHY... Combat ready. Crew looked like they have never seen fire before. Or maybe they are just a slow company. Dont know. But it looked like pure confusion at the front door. Also why break the windows and open the front door with a uncharged hoseline in your hands? Next time use the front door and windows to your advantage. Dont commit into the dwelling until you and your backup man are ready. I come from a very busy company and we continuously train on the basics, hose line deployment, ladder placement and so on. Also Im really liking the no hood... good job. Also looks like a fire line officer too. Set good examples and the right things will fall into place. There are so many things wrong with this dwelling fire I could go on for days.

Those who say firefighters suck and those who criticize are just plane mean. First off to the ones who said the fire department sucks if this is not a place where they have paid Firefighters who live at the station you have to give them time to get from home to the station then get into their gear and get the engines started and wait for other fire fighters to arrive. Second unless the station is right around the corner from your place you just expect that as soon as you call it in the POOF here they are and third if you think you can do better then go grab a garden hose or two and start working on the fire instead of standing around complaining. Next is those who talk about the way the fire fighter does his/her job. Many times a firefighter does not think about him/herself when when fighting the devil all they think about saving lives and property so if they ever come to your house for a fire are you gonna criticize them because a coats not done up or one is not wearing a flash hood? No of course not cause they are fighting your battle with the Devil. It is so easy to Criticize firefighters when ya sit in front of your computer watching a video like this or you stand there watching something burn because it's not your place that is on fire. Grow up and show some respect for those brave men and women who get called out from there homes in all types of weather at all hours of the day and night to save the lives and property of people like you who do nothing but complain and criticize about the speed with which a department gets to a fire or for how they deal with the fire.

Hey, I know those guys, its Hugh, Pew, Barney Macgrew, Cuthbert, Dibble and Grubb, from the Toytown fire department.

@captivemrhanky Any idea what the issue/problem was?

"fires suck" "yeah they do suck"

I hate to arm chair quarterback after the game is over but as a Chief or line officer I would be having a meltdown whenever back at station. One with the Chauffeur and other with the initial fire attack (alpha) side entry team. At least the fire went out!

Taking 4 minutes to put water on the fire is totally bad, a lot of the crew didn't seem to know what they were doing, it took to long to begin the initial attack and even longer to get a second and third line working, this crew need more training to get them up to standard the engineer to need to get better training

Correction 2:47!

Whatever chance of a interior attack.was wasted just staring at it.First off

Why is the second firefighter neck exposed

Thumbs up if your a firefighter and when you heard the pass alarms start sounding you shook your butt!!! LOL! Only firefighters will know what im talking about!

I know I am not there looking at everything and can't see the whole picture, but my perception is the following: The Engineer should be able to hand jack his own supply line. The firefighter should be able to pull his own pre-connect and get it flaked out. The firefighter should at least be flowing tank water and taking the heat out. This was way too slow. There are in the picture four guys on scene that takes care of RIC. WHAT IS GOING ON?

Hey, they are FIREFIGHTERS! They waited till the fire was big enough for them to attack, please hold back negative comment, they did the best they could do! (.)

You take this video on training night, show it, over and over.. DEBRIEF THE TROOPS... have troops interact durning training feed backs... officers listen to troops... After the DEBRIEF, officers gather , set training schedule to reduce any defecenies for next alarm.. you have a 500 gallon tank.. anyone aware of faulty hydrant supply???? Ppl are critical BUT THE ENTIRE INCIDENT WAS NOT ON TAPE... 500 gallons last you 3 to minutes until rank is dry.. with that heavy fire,, need proven water supply to protect your troops.. By the way.. with variable gpm of a task force tip and pattern set.. fire load blacken down fast.. great job.. as what was taped B4 anyone really badmouth,. Get ALL THE FACTS.. only way to do that is a training debriefing meeting

I was gonna rip on the people saying the fire company sucked. Then the pump operator fucked it all away.

Everyone is a fire fighter I see. Their safety comes first here. The fire is already in the attic of the house. How did the fire start in the first place? Bbqing to close to the house perhaps. If you think your better than these professionals then suit up or shut up.

well maybe this video and its comments will impact in a positive way.....

Zero leadership, training, SOP's. This is painful to watch.

I think they did a terrific job fighting the fire offensively from the inside in spite of everyone yelling at them that the fire was “in the back!”. Duh. Let them do their job!

I remember house burning to the ground

I was a fire fighter in saginaw mi first truck always took the first water hyd.

Oh, by the way.. anyone wants to know.. I was a volley in Delaware county pa.. heavy rescue TECHINICAN and firefighter... former safety OFFICER

You people are incredible how u tear each other apart on these videos..good lord! I'm surprised you didn't yell at them for not saying KMG365 before they left the station!

no way in hell you goin in the front door of that type fire with a 1 and 1/2 line

trained and practiced that way. Many departments have the first engine go into attack mode upon arrival, and the second engine or first truck lays in. Making comments makes you appear to lower yourself to the level of the yahoo who was screaming the fire dept sucked because they were there the second flames were showing. I know you are way better than that. The fact your are a paramedic tells me you have lots of brain power and smarts. Don't get caught up in the "you tube expert" mode.