Thank you!

Thanks!

Thanks! I try to think about everything that others might need or want to know. Thanks for watching!

Yes sir! Thanks for watching!

Yes sir, glad it helped!

Awesome, glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!

Hi... I have also Onkyo 7.1 .I really want to upgrade it to11.1.Kindly advise which AVR additionally I have to purchase

Hi, your set up is similar to mine, as I have Denon4500 & a Onkyo 7.1 receiver. Could I please ask how your setup when with your denon & onkyo? Which speakers did you connect to which receiver? Thanks

​@AKASofio_o Hi, your setup is similar to mine, as I have a denon4500 & a Onkyo646 7.1 receiver. Could I please ask how your setup went when connecting your two receivers? Which speakers did you connect to which receiver? Thanks

Awesome, thanks for watching!

Thanks I agree and was excited to find out this was possible

Thank you very much for the compliment! I have not had a chance to play with different methods for triggers or switching on and off. I just deactivate the ir sensor and keep it on all the time.

You can keep the second receiver off and turn it on only when watching movies where the real value is.

I’m not sure how to connect the two for power. I just leave the smaller receiver on all the time but I am sure there is a way.

I love my older paradigm speakers so I never have a problem recommending them but outside of that I have less experience. I feel like the sound of speakers is more of a taste thing and some will like some while some will not. I personally don’t like the sound of Klipsch while others say they are fantastic. So my best recommendation is to go to a location you can demo a bunch of different brands and see what your ears like the best. Best Buy magnolia centers or audio advice type places have demo rooms with tons of options. Then stick with your budget and choose based on those things. Stay away from budget speaker packages I would say unless you have to. They are typically the bottom end and are not usually rated to handle much power. I have not listened to Elac speakers yet but want to and have seen some good reports but again I think personal preference. Good luck with your setup and have fun upgrading, it’s some of the best times in the hobby! Let me know if you have any more questions. Thanks for watching!

@@thepefflyranchThanks! I don’t have access to demo in my city, I own an Elac Cinema 12 which is specific to India so not much details about that available online, but I can say I like them. Was just checking if you had any experience with Elac that would come handy. Anyways, thanks a lot!

Sorry just seeing this. Yes leave the volume at the level determined during setup and calibration, otherwise this will change your levels and mess up your calibration. Be sure to deactivate the ir sensor to ensure your don’t change it accidentally or cover the ir sensor with tape.

@@thepefflyranch how about using triger does is work?

You should be able to if the AVR is capable of processing 11 channels and has the pre outs to do so. Which receiver do you have? Yes once you set your volume on the AVR used for the 2 ch amplifier and calibrate, you do not need to and shouldn’t change the volume after. Thanks for watching!

@@thepefflyranch X 3800 currently using 5.2.4 will add two side surround with add on Yamaha amp and make it 7.2.4!!! Thanks and Regards 🙏

That is only a 7.2 ch processing receiver which means you are limited to only 7.2 channels. It does have atmos capabilities so you could run 5.2.2 which is two atmos height channels and 5 in plane channels and 2 subs. The receivers we are using are capable of 11.2 channel processing so you are able to run full 11 channels with the addition of a 2 ch amp. This is only bc the receivers we are using only amplify 9 channels so in order to get the last two you have to have an external amp or receiver.

You can run the x3800 with 9 channels on its own so yes it will work. You can also add that x2500 to power two additional channels as I show and run 11 channels with 4 atmos speakers (2 height channels L and R)

@@thepefflyranch Thank you so much.

It depends on the amp modes based on your receiver. Check out the manual or setup in settings of your receiver to find out.

Ahh yes good catch, I forgot to mention that! I put a little piece of solid color tape onto the front left side where the remote IR sensor is to block out any unintentional commands to the “external amp” receiver. You may have to play around a bit to find the exact location. Good luck with your setup and Thanks for watching!

@@thepefflyranch Thanks for the speedy reply. I will have to come up with a solution that looks good as both units will be on full display. Hmmm...

@@CustomPCBuilderUK yeah my stuff is usually hidden so no need for pretty but I see the issue. Maybe black electrical tape is inconspicuous enough to blend in? Wonder if you can disable the IR somehow?

@@thepefflyranch Just tried this from the Denon website and can confirm it's working! 🥳 Disabling the sensor function of the remote control unit Press Power Button while you press and hold TUNER PRESET CH + and ZONE2 SOURCE with the unit in standby mode. Use TUNER PRESET CH + or TUNER PRESET CH - to select “RC LOCK On”. Press STATUS to enter the setting. The infrared light receiving function is disabled.

@@CustomPCBuilderUK awesome! Good find! Then I assume you can do it again to re-enable or “RC LOCK Off”?

So I looked up the RZ50 again and it does have the 11.2 ch pre-outs so you should be able to use the front L and R and center with the Pre-outs going into your external 3 channel amplifier. You would then hook the remaining speakers up to their corresponding locations. L and R surrounds hooked to L and R surround speaker terminals, atmos height 1 to atmos height 1, etc, etc. so you would end up with only the front LR and center unused for speaker terminals. Looking more closely at the back of your receiver I see that there is only a height 1 and not a height 2 but it has the zone 2…. My guess is that it could possibly use the zone 2 as height 2?? Would need to research that more in the manual on the possible ways to run 11.2 with this receiver. If the zone 2 terminals are reserved for only zone 2 then you will be stuck with running the preouts for height 2 (zone 3) channels. So maybe you could run the height 2 channels with the external amp? I know a bunch of people feel the need to lighten the load on their receivers but I have never run into an issue running my front sound stage and everything else on it, and you can crank it up till it hurts lol. Let me know if you have any more questions and I’ll comment back if I learn any more in the zone 2 options. Thanks for watching!

See image from page 58 of your manual on how they recommend hooking up 7.1.4 setup. It shows that you would need to use the preouts for height 2 and zone 2 reserved for zone 2 option. www.manua.ls/onkyo/tx-rz50/manual?p=58

@@thepefflyranch Thank you for taking my question and researching this information for me. It's hard at times to make heads or tails of diagrams or informational videos that depict setups that are not quite like that of your own. I was initially considering using the power amp to power the LCR based on cost to value. Using an external amp on heights didn't seem cost efficient. I'm thinking now, I might be able to save a few bucks by opting for a smaller 2 channel amp to run the additional height channels. Thanks again for your help! Subscribed!

@@laurocantu3324 or if you have an old receiver you could use that as an external amp like I do in the video. Glad to help! Thanks for the sub!

I do not use one. See comments below about remotes settings and IR sensors.

I do not think this is possible but may be wrong. From my understanding you can only arrange the speaker setup based on the available options it gives you and I do not think there is an option to have it setup like that. Check in the setup menu through the options it shows.

@@thepefflyranch thanks for the quick answer. I am leaning towards another option. According to the manual of the external amp it has four channel/speaker outputs at 125W each. If running two channels/speakers it outputs 250W each. I’m thinking about connecting the front preouts of the AVR to the inputs of the external amp, then I’ll bi-amp the front speakers through 4 channel/speaker outputs of this amp.. what do you think about the Idea?

@@VuQuang1973 interesting idea, curious to know if it works for you. If it does be sure to set the external amp to direct or pure mode so it is not doing any additional processing or you may end up with some odd sounds. Good luck 👍

I am not sure what to do for this. Sorry.

Awesome man, glad to hear this helped you out! Thanks for watching!

Guess I reacted too quickly. The S950 doesn’t have two audio inputs to connect the pre-amp outputs to. Only one. So I guess I’m just going to need to get an external amp sooner than I expected. At least that way I can connect the trigger control to the amp so that it’ll all turn on at the same time as opposed to having to deal with one more remote. Thank you anyway. Cheers then. 😢

@@harrisoncastleberry458 that one “phono” audio in all the way on the left side of the back middle row should be all you need for 2 channels. One is red the other is white.

@@thepefflyranch Okay. I’ll try and give that a try. Wish me luck.

Finally got it working today. Thanks again!

3800x has 9 channels available so yes you can biamp the fronts and have the other 5 channels. You can also run up to 9 channels as a signal to power amplifier and do it that way. If you do not biamp you can do this with 11 channels

@@thepefflyranch I was looking at the iotavx avxp1, and it was this I wanted to use and wonder if I can still have the fronts bi-wired

Or is it really unnecessary?!

@@richardhinchey1999 if you want more power to your speakers then you will need to run a separate amp like your talking about. The 3800x does not care which amp you use so any are fine.

Yes you should be able to play test tone and hear the speaker thru the preout. This would be the test prior to running the audyssey setup. Is your volume up on the amp receiver? Does volume play out of the speaker if you run test tone on the amp receiver?

@@thepefflyranch Some info in case it makes a difference. Using Denon x3700h as main receiver, preout receiver is a Denon s760h. As far as I can tell, I've set everything up exactly like your video. So far, the test tones produce nothing when set up through the extra receiver. I have confirmed the speakers are working and produce sound by setting up the x3700 as a 5.2.4.

@@InAnAspect are the speakers hooked up to the main L and R outputs on the s760h? Is the S760h in direct or pure direct mode and does it show L and R speakers active? Can you play test tone on s760h and hear out of those speakers? Is volume on 760 set to your reference listening level like -20, -10, or even 0db? Mute off?

@@thepefflyranch Volume was up, everything plugged in to the spots you have in the video, but I have no idea what direct or pure direct mode are, so I'll learn those things and see if that is the missing link. I'll let you know how it goes. Thank you so much for all your help. I'm relatively new to all this and learning a lot of stuff on the fly as I go.

@@thepefflyranch Okay. So I am at a loss again. Double checked everything is plugged in the way you have it. The test tones play from the s760h. Volume is high (although you ask about it being -20, -10, et cetera. My volume starts at 0.0 and only goes up in .5 increments, so I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing). Still getting nothing coming through those channels in the x3700. Is there some detail that a complete newby would need to know that perhaps was assumed would be known. Do I have to set it to a specific zone? Do I need to push a combination of buttons on either amp to get it to connect? Is there perhaps a step by step guide that shows literally EVERY button press, hook up, et cetera that has to be done?

I think I would need more details to understand this better. What output would you use to input to the other receiver? What are the power amps doing? What are the extra speakers for? Seems there is a bunch going on.

@@thepefflyranch in your video the rca cord you have plugged into the pre out put can I use a line out instead of a pre out I am trying to connect the second receiver to add extra speakers for Dolby atmos and the 2 power amplifiers are connected to my front stage for my home theater and I like to know how many additional speakers can I add to the second receiver

@@chrisohrling149 send me the receiver models you are trying to do this with and what line out your trying to use.

@@thepefflyranch model numbers are denon avr 1507 and pioneer vsx-1016txv are the 2 receivers I am using and the denon receiver is the one I am going to use for the extra speakers and it has A&B speaker hook ups please let me know I want to run 4 extra speakers for surround sound

@@chrisohrling149 unfortunately the receivers you have are only capable of processing 7 channels so you would not be able to do what the video is showing. In addition neither receiver will process Dolby Atmos. In order to process Dolby atmos you will need at least a Dolby atmos capable receiver. Then to do what this video is showing it needs to be a 9 channel receiver that is capable of 11 channel processing. There is a list of ones I know of in the description. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching!

I am not sure on that.

Hi! You will be limited to using the 11 ch setup and processing that the rz50 has in order to get the full setup. I’m not sure what processing modes or setups that rx has but you should be able to look that up. If it does not have a setup mode that includes the extra wide set then you won’t be able to have it that way. The traditional atmos setup would include only two fronts. I don’t think I have seen any that include both L and R set and LR wide set for 4 front speakers. I may be wrong tho. I personally don’t think they would be necessary if you have th rest of the channels in use as the atmos processing, when setup and calibrated correctly will provide almost seamless transitions of sounds between speakers that surround you. The front LR blend well with the LR sides so I don’t think there is a need for wides in between them. Hopefully this makes sense. Is it because you have permanent placed speakers and you don’t want to change that? What is the current layout? Happy to help walk you through a next best setup from what you have. Thanks for watching!

@thepefflyranch hi Thank you for taking the time to respond. My onkyo tx-nr838 I think is there first gen dolby atmos avr. It has front wide and height channels. But no rear upper atmos setup. I ment to say in the other message I don't think I have seen any other wide side channel on any other avr. I guess it was something onkyo tried with the tx-nr838 model. Also I'm sure I don't have my atmos setup correctly. I've just started viewing lots of KZfaq content and have found the atmos sound test videos. And nothing is sounding like it should. I hope when I get the tx-rz50 I can truly get everything setup properly. Hopefully I can ask you some more questions when I get it or have problems. Thank darrell

Hi darrell again I think I'm going to get a denon avr-x6700h. My question is when I connect my older onkyo to it I'm confused on the volume control it setting the second avr to a set volume how does that work with having a set volume when a scene mite have a lower volume. I'm sorry I'm trying to understand all of this. Thanks darrell

@@hemieed1 just set it to something like -20dB and run audyssey cal and see if it over compensates with the levels when you do it. If so then come up some more in volume and rerun. When it is close to 0 on the levels compensation your good.

Me again I completely forgot to ask. avr-x6700h has 2 trigger out. And my onkyo allso has trigger out? I don't see a trigger in were do I plug it in so the denon turns it on at power up? Thanks a bunch for responding have a good evening. Darrell

Yes I agree but most people already have an extra receiver laying around like I did. Thanks for watching!

@@thepefflyranch true 👍

Oh yes for sure you want to be in pure or direct listening mode with no additional processing or delays, good call! For the question, I don’t think it’s possible based on the available selections in the audio setup menu. Would love to know if you ever figure out how to though! I think to do that you would need to step up to a 11+ch AVR. Thanks for watching!

Nice video! I have the Denon 3700x as well. I upgraded from my Yamaha RX-V685 because the LG TV I bought didn't play nice with it. Not knowing then what I do now I bought the 3700 thinking I could simply add 4 ceiling speakers and just plug in my 7.1 speakers I had already. Then plug in 4 ceiling speakers. Well, I'm really glad I didn't sell the older Yamaha now! The only thing I would ask is: Would I be better off just powering the front 2 channels with the v685 as an external amp and powering the four ceiling speakers with the 3700x or would it be best to set mine up like u did using external amp to power my height channels?

@@peleger1 good question, I like to run mine like I do keeping most of the heavy lifting with my nicer receiver. It is more than capable and I haven’t noticed any issues. Your lesser receiver is most likely a different class amp and worse distortion etc. so probably better to keep the majority of the sound on the best amp and leave the light work to the old receiver and let it do 2 atmos channels. I think some people might disagree and could say that you want to lighten the load on the main receiver but I tend to think it’s not necessary. Hope you get it all working good and enjoy it! Thanks for the comment and for watching!

@@peleger1 yes it is possible, and quite simple. Use as many channels as you like, route the pre-outs to the 7.1 direct input.

Update: I'm still playing around with speaker placement and such. And keep in mind that the S910W is rated at 125 watts and the X3700H is rated at 105 watts (each with 2 channels driven). I just changed my two mains to the S910W and Holy Cow! I would have never dreamed it would make this much of a difference. Especially when playing stereo music, IT IS DRAMATICALLY different. Neither receiver ever sounded this good with multiple speakers hooked up, even in stereo mode. I've read a lot of speculation about power output when driving 7 or 9 speakers but have never found any hard facts. Well now I believe some things about just how much it reduces power output.

Does the ext amp need to be on all the time? Or it can turn on/off automatically when there is preout input?

Sure thing, tell me about your setup.

I have 9.2 denon 4700 which I wanted to upgrade 11.2 through external 2 channel amp. My set up consisting of 7 +4 JBL arena ceiling speakers and 2 subs.Everythings fine by following your videos (since I'm newcomers)but only showing 11.1 not 11.2 on the display and working only 1 sub. Thanks.

@@dalbotshira on the back of the 4700 there are 2 preout RCA connections labeled Subwoofer 1 & 2. It is located in the pre out section directly in the center of the back of the receiver. Just plug in your 2nd sub into this and run the audyssey setup and select option with 2 subwoofers. Let me know where your getting stuck if this doesn’t work.

Interesting, I have not seen this… I don’t buy new so not following what the new receivers are doing but I have a hard time believing that companies would remove the option to power externally through preouts. Do you have some examples?

Your speaker outputs, to include preouts, use an analog signal at this point. This is the final stage which comes after digital encoding or processing is completed. So RCA for preouts is fine and will result in the same signal you get with your speaker wires going to your speakers.

Lol thanks for asking 😂. It’s actually explained in my temporary setup video detailing my entire setup. Check it out! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rbNoa6-p07SriIE.html

Soooo those are your front heights ?

@@anthonybailey1150 yes. I have them sitting on boxes and angled into the wall to reflect and get a higher height than just sitting them on there. Due to the temporary setup I figured it would work for now. Thanks for watching!