11 Things You NEED To Know About Carbon Bike Wheels

11 Things You NEED To Know About Carbon Bike Wheels - Your Questions Answered!

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Should you buy carbon bike wheels direct from China, should you use your carbon bike wheels during winter, why are the best carbon bike wheels so wide and why do bike wheels like Zipp 454 NSWs and Princeton Carbonworks use a sawtooth rim profile?
We asked you for any of your questions about modern carbon bike wheels and here are the answers to your bike wheel quandries.
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⚫️ In this video
0:00 Introduction
0:26 Why are modern bike wheels so wide?
1:40 Should the rim be wider than the tyre?
2:23 What depth carbon bike wheel is best?
3:02 Can I use my carbon bike wheels during winter?
4:02 Are carbon spokes better?
5:46 Expensive vs cheap carbon bike wheels
6:24 Should I buy carbon wheels from China?
7:26 Why do some wheels have a wavy rim profile?
8:54 How do they put nipples in some bike wheels?
9:33 Will bike wheels become integrated?
10:18 Are hookless bike wheels the future?
11:03 Outro
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@bicivini 7 ай бұрын

My simple summary: no hookless, no tubeless (Risk, weight complete system, not enough width/volume for road). 35-45 depth carbon rims (so many affordable, good, race proven ones; EliteWheels, Deerobust, Yishun/LightCarbon) - good for all areas and crosswinds compatible. Pillar or Sapim spokes - no issues to replace wherever you are. I had many wheelsets, all Chinese (well they are anyway 😉 also of you pay 3k from major brands). All mentioned brands I use have 2-5y warranty and experienced it works. All wheelsets 1100-1600g and 350-750.- . No regrets so far for the last several years. Take care of your bearings, maintain and you have 5-6 great wheelsets for the price of 1x Enve etc. But as always, just my 5cents 😉 Cheers

@jaec6986 7 ай бұрын

agreed 100% as I have the same

@joneinarmattiasvisser6113 7 ай бұрын

Yes. Go with the wheels that have the best chance of working if you go chinese, and look at the warranty. I always buy stuff from china that is not important if it breaks (sunglasses for example are hard to mess up)

@ianmiller4393 4 ай бұрын

Great video that answers each question quickly and confidently. Thanks.

@BennyOcean 7 ай бұрын

Their Expensive VS Cheap Carbon Road Bike Wheels video was a great one. It's not as simple as expensive = good. It was nice to see the numbers on such a wide variety of wheels at different price points.

@JamesSmith-qs4hx 7 ай бұрын

Rim brakes for the win in 2023.

@ZenEndurance 7 ай бұрын

My race wheels are still Zipp 808s from 2007 and they are fantastic. Alloy rims with structural carbon fairing.

@Vixen1525 3 ай бұрын

Uhm. I would use v brakes but yes they are not bad

@GeraldGuevara 7 ай бұрын

I can speak for wavy wheels and crosswind. I got a set from Lightbicycle to replace my stock aluminum rims. I live by the water so wind and gust can be around 30-60km/h. I played it conservatively so my front rims is 46.5 while the rear is 56.5. To my surprise my new carbon rims performed way better in crosswinds than my stock aluminum. I kind of wished I've gone 56.5 in the front as well.

@3TXR 7 ай бұрын

can confirm it, LB‘s wavy rims are very crosswind stable, love them, also very light with carbon spokes

@remedy3345 7 ай бұрын

HOOKLESS IS NOT WORTH THE REDUCTION IN PRODUCTION COST.

@user-cx2bk6pm2f 7 ай бұрын

Great video as always. We should warn those who don't know... hookless is for suckers. It's cheaper to manufacture, but cost savings aren't passed down to us cyclists... all we get is a wheel with compromised tire holding ability and loads of marketing bs. There's not a single benefit of hookless wheels for us.

@wsbygt 7 ай бұрын

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="480">8:00</a> to <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="490">8:10</a> Spot on description! Pretty much what happens everytime plus the usual shaky legs for a while.

@mathewjames4137 7 ай бұрын

Berd spokes seem to be latest thing. what are the advantages/disadvantages? Especially for a Clydesdale such as myself?

@JayLato 7 ай бұрын

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="666">11:06</a> but cars have horse power to rotate the heft of materials required to make their hookless systems work.

@yonglingng5640 7 ай бұрын

The tolerances of a car's hookless tire system are tighter than a bicycle's. This is why their tires need machines to be mounted.

@johnnycab8986 7 ай бұрын

@@yonglingng5640 They also have bands of extremely tough spring steel wire that are in the bead, and the bead itself has a ton of rubber incorporated to give it form. The amount of rubber needed to go into a tire to form a safe bead for hookless would most likely be well in excess of the weight of the lost wheel hook, and would also make the tire itself much less comfortable to ride.

@SPLSE 7 ай бұрын

@@yonglingng5640 Car tires can be mounted with hand tools. Machines are for efficiency and safety.

@ColeHenrich Күн бұрын

I can use my carbon fiber wheels during California winter!

@peterwillson1355 7 ай бұрын

I put 20s on my 20mm exterior front rims, all is good. I keep the 32s for my mountain bike

@3TXR 7 ай бұрын

what are the real advantages of hookless for consumers? I don‘t see them… instead, more dangerous, less range for tire pressure…

@tonyg3091 7 ай бұрын

There are none.

@EditioCastigata 7 ай бұрын

40mm for everyday action? I'd rather recommend sth. around 30mm, i.e. not deep. On account of weight, cost; alu is still competitive in that depth, easier to salvage if damaged (hitting a curb, pothole, ...).

@veganpotterthevegan 7 ай бұрын

I always train on 25-30mm rims. It's still weird to see everyone using deep wheels all the time these days. You rarely saw that I the rim brakes era because people didn't wanna wear their brake tracks down.

@veganpotterthevegan 7 ай бұрын

Disagree on material though. Carbon is much less likely to be damaged and it's really more reperable than aluminum rims that can only be straightened so much before cracking

@shirtlessGraveler305 7 ай бұрын

I have a pair of carbon fast forward, drift gravel wheels that are hookless. I bought them to replace the aluminum DT swiss wheel sets that came on my specialized diverge bike . during the pandemic, of course it was difficult to get Roval wheels, as an upgrade, but fast forward that’s the Dutch brand there drift model carbon wheels that are hook less work just fine. I only use this bike for gravel and mostly ride by myself with 40 C size continental terra speed tires. so far so good oh, and by the way, they have DT swiss to 240 XP hubs

@BetaFax 7 ай бұрын

When will the alloy wheel comparison / review be released?

@FlemmingDP 7 ай бұрын

I think that one should also watch videos from Aussieland , on the same topic. They are closer to China , and might have another view. !

@and30ers 7 ай бұрын

Tubeless, absolutely yes. Hookless, absolutely NOT. I'm buying all my carbon rims from eiecarbon (Xiamen), they offer most of their modern tubless road and gravel rims (up to 25-26 mm internal width) as either hooked or hookless. Same price and weight for both options.

@johntrussell7228 7 ай бұрын

Hookless is incredibly dangerous. Hooked, tubeless is most definetly the future.

@marcpost4034 7 ай бұрын

Hooked TPU tube is the future. 😂

@JogBird 7 ай бұрын

nah, im good w my first gen emonda slr, w direct mount rim brakes and mechanical shifting, came in stock at 5.5 kgs and less than half the price of the equiv bike today .. i can fit 28mm tyres and my rides top out at 200k/day, so i dont see need for more comfort

@veganpotterthevegan 7 ай бұрын

I have a custum Seven I put 200k miles on. It maxed out at 30mm. After test riding and buying a new Domane for less than half the price, that custom bike is now on lifetime trainer duty. I've done a few 200mile rides on it but even short rides are still nicer on the +35mm tires I'm using now. Outside of my TT bike, I'm never using tires narrower than 32mm ever again😂 *200mile rides on the Seven weren't bad because it was all I knew. I couldn't imagine doing that now though🥴

@n22pdf 7 ай бұрын

Same here steel frame for me to 😊 Pete

@tonyg3091 7 ай бұрын

Is hookless the future? 😂😂😂

@veganpotterthevegan 7 ай бұрын

All the companies with carbon spokes offer spoke repair

@notreal-pl7mz 7 ай бұрын

Does that include plastic surgery from the face-plant when your wheel explodes?

@JayLato 7 ай бұрын

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="476">7:56</a> RRRRRRRIIIIIINNNNGGGGGGGGG

@81antiloop 7 ай бұрын

Hookless the future ? Really ?

@littlevo9 7 ай бұрын

The best wheels ever : Roval rapide clx ❤

@universe-juice 7 ай бұрын

I have a harsh bike and 2 plush bikes of varying degrees. Some days i like an aggressive bike. But some days i cant ride it cause im too beat up. I will never be a one bike person, or even a one wheelset person. Oh, i ride Reynolds rims through winter on the Felt AR, and giant slr 2s on the othe bikes. Have a nice set of aluminums but i hate them

@scotts6067 7 ай бұрын

No way I'm I trusting hookless

@DjCringefest 7 ай бұрын

customers wanted disc, fair enough. wider wheels were possible well before disc brakes were a thing. there a certainly advantages to disc brakes but it's bull ox like this that's keeping the discussion alive... imo...

@squngy0 7 ай бұрын

Although it true that you could have wider wheels with rim breaks, you would need to buy a new set of calipers if you switched to significantly different wheels.

@DjCringefest 7 ай бұрын

@@squngy0 sure but even then most rim brake frames wouldn't allow it. the new frames do and they could have been fittted with v brakes or calipers for wider rims could have been manufactured. granted they would have sucked in the wet but to say it's thanks to discs you can ride wider rims is only half true

@peterwillson1355 7 ай бұрын

Part of the need for wider tyres is increased traction, because otherwise there is no point in discs. Rim brakes are plenty powerful enough.

@jrmhng 7 ай бұрын

Tubeless, there are positives. But hookless? Rubbish. Its reducing cost for manufacturers. But where is the price reduction? Show me a cheap light set of hookless wheels from a mainstream manufacturer

@jrmhng 5 ай бұрын

@@hainmann 1.6kg for 45mm and at a cost of over 1000 pounds. That is not light and not exactly cheap.

@jrmhng 5 ай бұрын

@@hainmann Its good you enjoy them and got them at a good price. However, if you are comparing retail prices, there are similarly priced hooked mid-depth wheels like the Bontrager 37. If you go for less mainstream or Chinese brand, you can get hooked mid-depth wheels weighing between 1200-1400 grams. Yes they dont have the same warranty and dealer support but they are available. Im not trying to trash talk your wheels, I'm just saying hookless arent cheaper or lighter than hooked options.

@jrmhng 5 ай бұрын

@@hainmann I'm comparing MSRP. It represents what the brand thinks the wheels should be sold at. Otherwise you will factor in which retailer is willing to eat into their margins or how much inventory they have and how desperate they are to move it. I have had 3 sets of Chinese branded wheels. 1 from a Chinese wheel builder, 1 from Elilee and 1 from Craft. Over 18,000km. 1 had a warranty issue which was promptly addressed.

@BUY_YOUTUB_VIEWS_868 7 ай бұрын

so well-produced - I'm always impressed by the quality.

@madyogi6164 6 ай бұрын

Hook-less a future? It's about to die as fast as it came to life.

@notreal-pl7mz 7 ай бұрын

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="305">5:05</a>. That graph. Using grams and calling it force give me the impression you don't know what you are talking about, together with Hunt. My guess is that the numbers were converted from Force (Newtons btw) to grams by multiplying by 10,000. So any differences are very much in the noise and likely a lot less than repeatability (doing the same thing again to see if you get the same results). And hook-less rims are a bad joke. You really should try harder here.

@shanewiseman5729 7 ай бұрын

Hookless is a joke

@MrSzwarz 7 ай бұрын

It id superficial design trent, it is like jeans, for decates ther were just blue, then black, then washed out with huge holes... It makes no diffrence aerodynamics besides the look. Proven fact.

@jminsoo3926 Ай бұрын

"it does after all work very well on cars" .... What an ignorant comment.

@simseven4967 Күн бұрын

This material cannot be recycled and they are not durable, production is pain in the @$$ for employees and for environment, think twice before you buy, weight and speed of your bike can be compensated in a different way

@diehardbikes 7 ай бұрын

Be VERY VERY CAREFUL buying chinese wheels. Ive had sets of Ican and Superteam wheels EXPLODE while not even being ridden at only 60 psi with a 25 mm tire! (Continental gp4000ll). Be horribly careful. Windbreak and Eagle and Rockbros are the same.

@notreal-pl7mz 7 ай бұрын

You should take more care with what you say. 'chinese wheels' is not a brand, it is a lazy and meaningless phrase, as is 'horribly careful'. You sound like a conspiracy theorist. Maybe you have some useful insights, who knows.

@diehardbikes 7 ай бұрын

@notreal-pl7mz everything you said was meaningless to me, as you sound incredibly judgy. Horribly careful is not lazy, nor is it meaningless. In fact, it is said all the time. I don't know where you come from, but thats commonly said.

@diehardbikes 7 ай бұрын

@notreal-pl7mz also, im fully aware Chinese wheels is not a brand. Its a category of very dangerous wheels that are as cheaply made as a walmart bike. If you take time to read my comments you will notice I mention several brands. Fake brands, fake wheels. And I definitely don't sound like a conspiracy theorist as again if you took time to read my comments or experiences with carbon wheels on MANY forums, you would know they have put many people in the hospital. Again, my father was riding a Continental gp 4000 ll tubed at 60 psi. The front wheel exploded. He wasn't even on it. And yes the Guage was correct. I have a tire pressure checker, pumped up many tires before and after just fine. It's a Topeak Joeblow booster pump. Pump mode. Don't buy Chinese wheels.

@danielsotelo3942 2 ай бұрын

Just amazing, all these wonderful wheels and still no one has ever touched on the Subject of "Rotational Balance"... Think about this...... 50% of your bike is static, while the other 50% of your bike spins at a high rate of speed..! Don't you think if you balance the spinning 50% there is quite a gain in performance, especially at high speeds?! I've done the testing, and the performance of balanced wheels is OFF THE CHARTS... I can take a set of good Aerodynamic Chinese carbon wheels, balance them, and they will Blow the Doors Off all these wheels you are reviewing here. It just makes no sense giving these wheels all this "high performance" credit when they don't even have any type of wheel balance (system). Scientifically the Performance facts are simple, a wheel that is out of balance, oscillates at speed and creates "interrupted inertia" which eats watts l like a big bowl of Lucky Charms. Meanwhile, a rotational balanced wheel(set) creates pure smooth flowing inertia. And when you combine smooth flowing inertia with good aerodynamics, BINGO! You end up with the fastest, best handling wheels on the planet. Here's another interesting fact... If you're going to rate the performance on the wheels you are reviewing you first have to level the playing field by balancing them first, because some carbon wheels are more out of balance then others, and ROVAL are the worst of the worst. Would you purchase a high performance car or race wheels if the wheels were not balanced???? I REST MY CASE.