I had the exact same issues with my stage 2, 107 M8. I installed a Red Shift 468. After one month I pulled it out and went back to stock. After much research I installed the Fueling 405 cam.Very close to stock but better torque and better sound. Runs much better than stock, very little vibration and gas mileage almost the same as stock cam. I'm fortunate enough to be able to do the cam change myself, reducing the expense. I'm 80 years old and ride 7,000 to 8,000 miles a year. I do get the old rider thing.

You make some great points that most people don’t talk about. I experienced everything you talked about when I did a Chris Rivas 464 rocket cam. Thing was rowdy but was too loud for my ears and sucked gas like crazy. I switched to SE torque cam and I love it. Prob the mildest cam other than stock I think. Sounds similar to a stage 1 but slightly more lope and pulls a little harder but nothing crazy. It’s a great happy medium imo and my mpg is back to normal

Yep, there are always trade offs. But if you increase valve lift and air intake you will burn more fuel. It makes sense. Thanks for the straight forward and honest review.

I Just Installed the same Cam! S&S 465, bike is a RGL 2021 and it has VH slip on, Arlen ness big sucker air filter and I took off the catalyst... bike was Dyno tuned using tuning dongle.. I am very pleased! got lots of torque on the entire torque curve.. same with the power... bike used to have 75 whp and now 101 whp and had 107 lbf torque and now 127 lbf... the ride felling is amaizing, bike sounds great, not too loud, just a little bit more than before... and, my mileage got better.. I ussually ride at 75-80 mph and bike used to make 40 mpg and now it maked 46 mpg...

I used to have a Sport Glide and I went Stage 1 with a Street Cannon. The bike definitely rode better and I didn't need to drop a cog as much on gradients. It was just too loud for me. I preferred the sound of the stock exhaust. That experience stopped me doing any stage upgrades when I traded up to a Street Glide in 2020. Also I have heard that fuel economy can get hit hard when you go to a stage 2 and above. I love the stock 114 Street Glide, it's smooth, powerful enough and the exhaust note is just at the right level. I am also an older rider, hitting 60 in a few weeks. It's good to hear your upgrade experience warts and all, nice to get a candid point of view without all the upgrade hype 👍

I have a 2023 Road Glide ST (117) with the stage 2, S&S 475 cams, with the Tab performance w/ zombie baffles. I have to say I love the combo. She rides and feels great and rides like a beast. As far as the gas issue, and the vibration, I really did see much of a difference.

I'm 66 years old, and I just put a 480 cam in my 2023 Road Glide 3, which is the cam actually recommended for trikes. While my trike is considerably louder, the engine now sounds much more like a Harley should sound, in my opinion. I'm actually getting ready to put quiet baffles in my Vance and Hines Eliminator 400s because it is a little too loud for my personal liking. It's not so much about the decibel level, after all, it's about the "lope". When HD went from carbureted engines to fuel injected engines, the sound lost its original greatness. I love EFI and all the benefits, but when it comes to Harleys, while they do run better and more efficiently, the sound has sure gone to crap. A bigger cam remarkably improves that sound. The loping definitely makes the EFI Harley engine sound more like the Harley carbureted engines of old, which I love. Any added vibration, to me, at least, is completely unnoticeable, so that's not a thing. I've also noticed no cranking/battery issues at all, either. Fuel mileage, when it comes to having added a bigger cam, will generally not be a mechanical issue, but will more likely be a rider issue. Adding a bigger cam will generally not decrease fuel mileage. In fact, it can INCREASE your fuel efficiency. However, with the added torque and horsepower, what do we riders do, of course? We gotta get into throttle, don't we...lol. So, obviously, when you ride 'em hard, they tend to drink the gas, of course. And, the bigger cam will cause the engine to suck more air AND GAS when you get in those high RPMs. So, having said all that, in my opinion, the added torque and added horse power in the low and mid ranges, which gives you added quickness and improved maneuverability, and the great sound you get from a stage II upgrade, outweighs any negatives and is definitely worth it.

My 2019 Road King got a baker manual P-chain adjuster… and a stage 1 with some 4” Rinehart’s…. And a load of comfort mods, full Legend suspension, air ride seat…. That 107 works just fine for this geezer. Pulls a nice cargo trailer with all the “geezer” camping gear…😊😊

Thanks , great job on the video and the info, definitely food for thought.

My Stage 2 SE Torque cam setup on my fat boy 114 was getting absolute trash gas mileage and I kept chasing problems as to why and it turned out to just be the tune. Someone sent me their map from their Fat Bob 114 with the SE cam, and it fixed the fuel consumption problem. AFter 2 tanks of gas and the ECM automatically trimming itself to the setup, I got phenomenal gas mileage especially on the freeway/country roads. If your gas mileage is really bad, a Dyno tune is needed.

I just did the S&S 475 plus plate and pumps on my '23 FXLRS 117 a month ago. That took me a day to do...wasn't bad. SP Concepts 2->1 exhaust. Did tune. I love the lope the cam yields. No leaks and it runs/sounds great. I admit, it is a bit loud. I was concerned about the milage but on my first check, I got 44mpg. I'll check again but that surprised me. I'm only 55y/o so I love the vibrations and the loping idle :)

Cam changes are always a tradeoff. Set a goal for what you want the bike to do, and go find an appropriate cam. Work with the timing too. I know lots of riders are playing the name game, but have a look at Harley's SE cams to see if they may have something more to your liking. I've got a 2022 Street Bob. Stage 1 is as far as I'm taking the bike. I'm 65. I started riding at 12 and was racing by 13. I quit racing at 28. I've been very fast on bikes, but this new Harley is fast enough for the street, and a joy to ride!

My wife and I just sold our old punched out Road King and bought a new Road Glide Standard after renting a 107 Road Glide on Maui for the exact same reasons as you suggest. We are not young. The 114 was an extra $6000. We couldn't justify the added cost. The smoothness and comfort of the new bike is just so enjoyable and it might be faster stock than the Road King that has big jugs. We have upgraded the suspension, seat, bars, added Rinehart mufflers, pegs, and added a tour pack. A nice stereo will be next. It is all about comfort and dependability these days. We didn't realize how much a two--hour ride can just beat you up. Peace.

I also did a stage 2 on my 2020 road glide, I also experienced the same gas mileage issue and rough idle. I was using the FP3 tuner. And it just was not cutting it. I had to go to a Dyno Tune and give up the FP3 tuner. it was well worth the trade off.. also more horsepower and torque. I enjoyed your video keep up the good work.

agreed 100%. Its loud. I feel guilty to my neighbors every morning when i fire up the bike. I keep the stock cam in case i want or have to go back to stage 1. Without trying stage 2, i won't know stage 1 is just right for me

I did a stage 4 build on my ‘08 FLHTP. Bumped it from 103 to 107, S&S 585 cams with matching valve springs. Ported heads, intake manifold. It’s a monster build, but it shakes to the point that screws vibrate loose and some plastic body parts have cracked. I rode my buddy’s street glide two weeks ago. He swapped to 107, but everything else is stock. It was a stark contrast. His bike is very smooth.

Great info. I get about 60-65 mpg (180-200 mi/ 3gals)on my 114” Lowrider S, been thinking about the Stage 2 cams…I’ll pass on it.

I went with the Stage 2 Harley Davidson SE447 torque cam for my 21 RG Limited. Big increase in torque pull, love it. It’s got a little lope to it but still smooth on throttle. The HD cam is well engineered to the bike. Didn’t notice any difference in mileage. 46-48 all the time. Since I put on the Fuel Moto non-cat header and a Power Vision it’s even better. Very happy.

Yeah, your gas mileage should be better than what you are getting. Stage 2 is a great upgrade, hopefully you can get the gas mileage better with a different tune or tuner. Good video!

I have a 21 road glide and never got over 260 a tank. I recently done a stage 2 power cam and I am still getting 260 a tank. I do a lot of easy and hard riding thru mountains and city streets I have no issue.

I too installed the Stage 2 kit on my 2019 M8 114 and noticed my gas mileage did drop a little. I rode the bike for year 18,900 miles on it, no change in the gas mileage, didn't get any better or worse. Last year, I installed the Screaming Eagle 131" kit with Thunder-Max tuner and D&D exhaust system. Woo Wee what a difference in torque and acceleration. But... my gas mileage really went to crap and the bike is a killer with heat while at traffic lights. If i had to do it all over again, I would stick with the stage 1 and enjoy the bike.

I’m 76 and riding a Triglide for two years 114, it’s in the shop now for a Harley stage 2 power up grade, pretty much the opposite of a torque upgrade, power and torque don’t start til about 4500 revs, hopefully this will keep my mileage close to stock.

100% agree on losing the smoothness I had 114 then moved to 117 stage 3 it has annoying vibration and the bike is jerky honestly I regret the upgrade

I have the S&S 465 in my 2020 Road Glide and did not experience a major drop in miles per gallon. I used a FP3 tuner, it took Vance & Hines a couple of try’s on the mapping but they got it right. I love the power and happy with the cam kit. The idle is more loopy than I expected but got used to it. For your starting issue have your Tuner guy check the automatic compression release setting to make sure it’s not switched off. When we put a Fueling 465 in my friends bike he screwed up the setting when setting up his tune and the bike would hardly crank over, he was using a Thunder Max runner. Easy fix on his, live and learn.

This is good info, as I upgraded my oil pump and decided against the stage 2 torque kit….like you, I’ve made a few circles around the sun, and I have the stage 1, and it performs well enough for me

I am 65 and have a M8 114 Fatboy with V&H Short Shots. I had my dealer upgrade to the Screamin Eagle Pro oil pump and support plate and also the S&S 475 cam. The bike pulls hard and sounds amazing but damn it’s loud. I am using a FP3 tuner and the dealer ran it on the dyno in auto tune for me at no cost but my mileage is around 38 riding local and easy not much highway. I am pretty sure I have dropped 7-8 mpg. I talked with Andrew at V&H about my plugs are black and he suggested using more auto tune sessions. I got a handle bar mount so I can set my phone there and watch the blocks populate and hopefully go green. He seems to think this will bring up my fuel mileage more. Plan to try it next few weeks.

I had a 17 ultra limited that I did a full stage 2. So I know a lot of what your talking about. I did the SE torque cam I believe it is the 447. It's milder but it was loud but still very smooth. My oil pump went so I did all S&S internals with the torque cam since I already had the SE wide band tuner, and easy flash and go. I now ride a stock 21 road glide limited and do enjoy how smooth and quiet it is. Another thing you didn't mention was the throttle response changed it was very twitchy after the stage 2. Almost like a sport mode. I did love that bike and the torque came in handy riding 2 up expecially in the hills. Didn't notice much difference in the gas mileage.

I know the feeling mate always filling up the tank with a stage two

I know people will have some negative reactions to this comment. I did the Stage 2 with S&S 475 and a thundermax on it and found that not matter what tuning was applied to it my mileage sucked I ran like that for 2 years. I switched from the thundermax over to a Powervision and right away I had great fuel mileage. Both tuners were setup with the screamin eagle wideband O2 sensor kit. I have since gotten rid of the thundermax and have not looked back. Don’t get me wrong i did like the thundermax. I now have a 2019 and a 2021 Heritage, both bikes are running the Dynojet Powervision without issues and great mileage. We ride our bikes from Alberta Canada down to Sturgis as well as across Canada from mountains to sea levels. Both bikes get well above 50mpg highway. I hope this helps

Good afternoon, Mark here from Nj, hope all is well... I recall when cvo's were fitted with the 103 !!!... and they were marketed as being high performance rides, my how times have changed.. I'm getting the Highway king 114 in magenta which looks purple in person, and leaving it be, never liked loud bikes especially on long distance rides, personally I won't need more power, I had a 2002 road king classic for years and had to do a stage 1 on it due to getting caught in between gears at speed when doing around 45-50, it was really annoying, afterward I was ok with that 88's power, so the 114 is gonna feel very fast to me, as well, I want it to last a long time, boring them out will reduce engine life, especially if your always leaning into it. Since I like to putt putt around and take in the scenery, kicking back and enjoying the ride, I'll be ok with it, I'm gonna love it.. just going to be adding heated grips and front lower chrome sliders, which Harley should have done.... btw, as a mention, I owned a Honda interceptor for years too, it was my speed bike, that gets old, have since sold it, handled great compared to all Harley's, but hated how it rode, not only that but speed kills and fast bikes like fast cars want to be ridden fast. To me, a Harley is not and was never about high performance or being fast, baggers don't handle like sports bikes, gotta be very cautious riding at high speeds on a badger, I say get a hyabusa if you want a heavyweight beast, but everyone is different, do what you love, as for me, I want it smooth and comfy for all day riding.. and I want good gas mileage, be well !! Ride safe!! See you all out there!

Your correct about all the issues when going Stage ll. I did that on my previous bike and along with all the problems you point out- I could never correct the lifter clatter at startup. My new 114 is bone stock and runs just fine with no mods!!

The screaming eagle 447 Talk cam got a little lope but is still real smooth when riding it tames right out once you give it any throttle

Older rider myself 2020 RoadGlide S 114 stage 2 SE Tq cam full Vance & Hines power duals with a ventilator Elite AC Se pro street with smart tune. Did run this set up on a Dyno 108 HP /124 Tq smooth and cool I get what your talking about stage one smooth quiet .This is my first build all SE except exhaust.Stock I was getting 310 miles per tank now I’m getting 295 miles per tank.Good luck going forward.Unless you tour a lot you do not need a smart tune.

I did the S&S 475 cam in my 107. Gas mileage stayed the same with a good tuner. it did get a lot louder and I didn’t know that was going to happen. Love the lope it put in the idle but could do without the extra noise. Now I where ear plugs.

you will pay DOUBLE for gas here in the uk ;;;; just made me think twice about stage 2 ,,,, thanks

I have a '23 Low Rider S 117 and my gf and I took a ride into the Idaho back roads and I was amazed when the bike was getting about 50 mpg. Want to get an S&S 475 just for the lope at idle. But, I really don't want my gas mileage to tank. As of now,I have a TBR 2-1 and SE tune. Not optimal for the pipe, but it was installed before I bought it new at the stealership. Pulls hard for 700 lb. bike. After your assessment, probably going to skip the cam and get PowerVision tune. It will still get with the program. Thanx for the info.

Best stage 2 S&S cam is the 475, get a good dyno tune and your gas mileage will improve!

I rode a Ultra Limited with a stock 114. I understand why you wanted the stage 2. I felt it needed more torque. I ride a 2003 VTX1800R. I Harley terms it is a stage 1. It has 95 HP and 118 for torque at th rear wheel. It is also lighter than the Ultra. It averages 31 to 32 MPG. The one advantage it has on the Harley is that it runs on regular. That saves me about $.50 or more a gallon. I wish you luck in getting more MPG from your bike.

I’ve been through the more power, louder phase of riding but after getting my 2022 Lowrider S I’m very satisfied with the stock 117 M8. Whatever boost in HP and torque you can get from a stage 1 or 2 isn’t worth the compromises you mention.

I had the same issues with my bike when I did the stage 2 . I went with the Red Shift 468 with the thundermax tuner ,also upgraded the throttle body. Got a new battery with 500cca and the bike starts just fine now . I'm from the same area as you been to Dan's a few times.

I have a stage 2 on my 2020 FLTRK. Mine is all screaming eagle. No issues with gas mileage that I can tell coming from a stock road king.

hey man, just had to say this video offer a lot of InSite that i never see on youtube, I've watched several vids about stage two but no one talks about these points i appreciate this to the point vid i just got a fat bob I'm sticking with stage 1 now.

I’m happy with my stock 103 motor. To get more power and torque, you pay $$ in so many ways.

Should have went with the 447 screaming eagle cam. I got one in my 22 road king and it’s just enough

I’m a firm believer in using a battery maintainer, always a full charge, some might say it extends battery life.

Sometimes it is better to leave alone but... with HD, it's absolutely impossible. Lol. As far as your neighbors go, I hear you.

New subscriber…can already tell I’m gonna learn a lot here. I’m riding a stock 22 RGS in the heat of Naples, Fl. Thanks for the content!

Thanks for the honest review, I'm a stupid old man too lol, your bike sounds great, but I'm gonna stop at my stage 1

Just getting ready to finally get a stage 1. Going a bit over kill with it and having them do a full dyno on it as well. My goal is a stage II , but you definitely have given me some thought about staying at 1. Not sure I want to lose that much mpg with the touring I’m wanting to do.

Good stuff Harley Geezer. Had a softail slim with 107 and stage 1. Did not at all feel underpowered to me, but just traded in on a 24 Fat Boy 114. I can't imagine needing more power, but I would just like a bit more depth to the exhaust note. Contemplating between SE and VH eliminator 300 and stage 1 with tune for the fat boy but I don't want to change anything about the way it's fueled right now. Was considering throwing in a stage 2, but nah. Even now I'm almost considering leaving it stock (it's that good... to me). I just wish it had a little more bass/volume lol

Thank you for sharing your thoughts here. I went down the rabbit hole looking into Stage 2 choices for my Fat Bob and now I need to really think about all the effects that you mentioned. I don;'t tour on it, but the tank is only 3.5 gal as it is. New '23 bike with only 4k mi . I will put more miles on and then consider it. And maybe i'll wait until the warranty expires. I have a stage 1 on now

I put Stage 2 in my 2019 Trike and got similar results, but it ran hard (scratch the tires when riding 2 up in 2nd gear). Super fun to ride.

My two cents are, if youre going to take the 465 out then put in a smaller cam, not the stock one back in. The tune afterwards is equally important.

I put in the HD power cam in my 2020 Road Glide Special along with the Screaming Eagle tuner, and Rinehart slip ons and have none of the issues you're referring to. I can easily get over 250 miles to a tank, love the responsiveness of the throttle, and enjoy the rumble of the engine. Go see the new service manager Dan at Addreneline

I'm glad I stuck with a stage 1 now. thanks for the info

I just turned 72 and am a new subscriber. I've got a 2016 CVO Limited and live maybe 25 miles north of you. Maybe I'll see you on the road someday. Thanks for the video.

My 17 ultra with redshift and tmax avg was 37 on interstate, my 20 w 447se and hd auto tuner avg 40 on interstate! Batters garage says about 40 is about right on m8! Enjoy!! Ride safe!!

Apparently you need to leave the trickle charger on them constantly

Man 300 miles to 200? That's some good mileage. Everything has a trade off and I think it just depends what are you willing to give up to get. Maybe check your compression releases to see if they are working? I think the bike should be able to turn that motor over easily even with that cam. Good video and audio was clean with that microphone set up you use.

I agree with a stage 2 you will use more gas especially if using larger injectors. And if your really on the throttle a lot. But if you have a proper tune you should actually have better gas mileage (when not riding aggressively) when riding with others with stock tunes I get the same or better gas mileage. I would recommend getting the bike on a dyno and tuned by a professional. I have a 117 with s&s 475 cam ,larger injectors, D&D 2-1 exhaust. And my gas mileage is great. Are you using a generic tune ?

I feel your pain. I have the same setup. Mileage sucks.

You need to get a tune on a Dyno after putting in a cam with a stage 2 to realize the most performance enhancement with better gas mileage and run cooler

I paid 7.59 in Ludlow Ca. enjoy what you have.

I put a woods 222 cam in my 2014 Heritage and I do agree you need to keep the throttle up and feather the clutch at slow maneuver. But as far as MPG no jumping on the throttle I can average 45 mpg. I love the upgrade and enjoy riding my bike more since.

Nice video, I personally think that the stock cam is more of an all-around performance cam that has more of a rumble than a lope. I popped out the baffles and cats from my stock slips, on my 21 bob and installed some 258 Thunder Torque Inserts. The bike runs really well and has a nice rumble at idle, but was contemplating a cam swap to maybe a Redshift 468 to make it sound like a Harley as they say. But sounds like its not worth the cost of reliability.

I have a 21 street glide special stage 2 447 screaming eagle cam, rinehart full catless exhaust dbx45, screaming eagle tuning from harley, I'm getting average 50+ mpg.

Good morning, I was thinking of a stage 2 on my road king and looking at different options. The Harley torque cam looks like a good option. Riders that have it seem to comment on the smoothness and good torque increase. Although as a fellow older rider I'm mostly satisfied with the stock setup. Thanks for your review of the 465 cam. That's one I was considering.

Great information. I was planning on a stage 2 but after this video I think I will stick with the stage 1

Should have went with the screeming eagle tourq cam and tune. Love mine.

Screamin eagle 447 torque cam sounds like the right cam for you and it would have probably been cheaper depending on the dealership you go to.

I looked into doing a stage 2 with that S&S 465, after my research I decided not to do it for all the draw backs. Since I do a lot of long distance touring on my RG Limited, I need that 50+ mpg more than extra power and sound.

Went for a 1,200 mile ride with two buddies. We all ride a 114. Mine is bone stock and they both have Stage 2. Every time we stopped for gas I did a quick calculation and by the end of the trip I estimated that they were burning approx 20% more gas than my stock bike.

I agree with your assessment of the factory stock 114. I had a 2018 heritage and I also thought the engine and tranny we’re brilliant right out of the box. I’m an older rider too and left the stock mufflers on because the refinement of this bike just didn’t need loud pipes. I only traded because I couldn’t do the cruiser riding position any more. Bad back. I got a bmw r1250gs to replace the heritage.

If your bike is under warranty do a Stage 1 and leave it alone!!! If your warranty is up or you’re not worried about maintaining a factory warranty go with aftermarket parts and dyno tune!!! The parts and results are night and day from EPA compliant Screamin Eagle. ( even a good aftermarket dyno tune will net way better results with SE parts!!) Why crack your factory engine apart for minimal gains?? Whether it’s SE parts or aftermarket you still gotta buy the parts and buy the tune…Maximize your hard earned money!!! If you’re going to build your engine build it right the first time and be done… at least until that isn’t fast enough 😂😎

Just replaced my battery after 2 years HD batteries don’t hold up in the heat.Bought a HD lithium less weight better power

I always enjoy your level-headed older rider content. Ha! Im hitting 60 at the end of this month so I guess Im now an older guy. Humbling, to say the least. I just did the SS 475 kit and sounds great, hauls great, love where it kicks in in the power band. Mileage is worse, but Im thinking I need to get it properly tuned instead of just downloading a map. I'm also looking for a new battery. Was thinking the Advanblack Powerbox lithium with 1,000 cranking Amps (when they have them back in stock in a few months) or the Banshee lithium with 680 cranking amps (which I can get off of amazon now). What are your thoughts on these two batteries?

I would recommend changing your exhaust system one that will give u good back pressure before u retune .

I have the softail lowrider st. 117ci. Love the smoothness from all,rpm. Thanks for the warning.

I have zero negatives on putting a complete stage 2 on my RGS. The fuel economy dropped 5 mpg using paper and pencil math. The onboard estimator shows a loss of 3.

Hey 👋 thanks 👍 for the honest talk 🦜 & for sharing your experience! Indeed if you're old... then it also follows you are wise! 😊 Hope 🤞 you get the bike sounding & running 💨 how you intended Man from UK signing off ❤

I dont thank mine shake more but idling sounds so good. I rode more Conservative without the jack rabbit starts. I was able to get 44mpg. Yeah and the tune at cruising at 75 on interstate is louder then I would like . But you can't beat how much funny it is now

I have to stop watching this video before you start talking about your hemorrhoids.. stick to your Jazzy

Volunteer Audio sells them. They are expensive but it's well worth it.

i have the S&S 465 in my 2019 Tr Glide and love it

Thank you for the information. BTW what kind of equipment you are using for moto blogging?

Put Andrews 48H in 96" .... nice improvement in HP/TQ went from 42 mpg to 36 mpg.

I'm not old and I'm more than than happy with my "boring" old stage 1.

Hell I get that stock but I rip it everywhere I go.

You want better gas mileage think about changing the front primary sprocket get one with one more tooth it will put you back to almost the same gas mileage

I would never do a stage 2 on my 2022 Heritage Classic. I did a stage 1 on my 2018 sportster and the bike runs great with just a little bit of more gas. I'm keeping my Heritage stock because I love the lower level of sound and the great gas milage. I put some S&S slip ons on the Heritage and took them off. I have Rush slip ons on the sportster and I love the sound. I don't know if it's just the difference between the Evo and the M8. The M8 just doesn't sound as good as the Evo.

“Stage 2” aka cam install should get the same or better mileage with the correct tune. I went 475 and kept the same mpg, while gaining everything 2.5k and above. HD pushing the stage thing is ridiculous tbh, it’s a cam install.

I have a Tri glide with a stage1, was thinking of up grading to a stage 2 but now I think I will stick to my stage 1,my fuel consumption isn't that great & I don't want to make it worse, price of fuel in australia is bad enough especially when you have to use premium fuel, so i think I will spend my money on creature comforts, like suspension upgrade. I'm 77 & i don't need a rocket up my bum. thanks for your honest opinion.

Tuning makes a huge difference.

A little off subject here, but it sure would be great if we could find a place where you get the temperatures of Florida and the twisty mountain roads of Tennessee at the same time.

ANDREWS 25 cam is perfect plus the thundermax auto tune i mentionted earlier.

Stage 2 is what it is, power at the expense of gas mileage - what’s the headset that you’re using? Got the same lid and that looks great - cheers from Australia

Your gas mileage shouldn't be much different, sounds like it's not tuned right.

What made you decide on that cam? Why not just go with the Screamin' Eagle Torque cam? Thanks for the videos.

Every time you pull in your garage put the trickle charger on it. I usually get three years service from a Harley battery.

I went Stage I on my 2019 Ultra yesterday. I'll sit with that for awhile, but yours does sound nice. Do a full tune on yours might help your mileage.