I agree with everything you are saying, but there is a younger crowd out there. Last year, my 18 year old daughter passed the rider skills course and she LOVES riding her new Harley....everywhere!! Of course I bought it for her, but she has some friends that are doing their skills course this spring. I think the new SG/RG's offer something new that some younger kids will like. At least I'm hoping so.

I’m an old guy who doesn’t care about brand. I like change, and am not stuck in the mud buying the same old thing year after year after year…I care about what the best bike for me is at any given time. I sold my 2019 Road King for more than I paid for it and bought a Honda. There are a lot of great bikes out there right now if people are open to change.

I've been riding Harleys for nearly 20 years and I agree with everything you said. If I were looking for a brand new bike today it would not be a Harley. Even with all those features I still can't fathom how it justifies that price tag. A whole car with a bigger engine, way more parts, an interior, a stereo, air conditioning, airbags, emission equipment, and twice the suspension components still costs less than this bike. I can't wrap my head around these motorcycle prices especially after working on bikes and knowing how little is actually there.

I'm 49 and finally moving on from sport bikes. Test riding the Indian Pursuit this weekend... $33k. Never owned anything but Japanese bikes... but I did look at the 2024 Road Glide CVO ST that people are excited about... is it really $42k+? Really?

​@@TRC_WAhave you checked out the new Goldwing. Everything you want from an Indian or HD, and Japanese reliability. Unless it's the American style your looking for.

True, though it is hard as hell to find some parts.

@@gregkeller80 So far it hasn't been a problem but that day may come.

That is exactly what I did with my 2005 Road Glide. Went to an excellent builder in Minnesota (General Engineering) and now my RG is 103" with S&S crankshaft, oil pump and new pistons. Cams have been replaced with something much better and this dynos @ 135 lb/ft and 109 HP. The rest of the bike got new oil lines and ANY part that looked marginal was replaced. This bike now has over 112K on it and all this work was around $10-$11K. Point being that the surcharges and add-ons from dealers make a new Harley stupid expensive. Who can justify the pricing on what is essentially a toy? I also found that you do need to scrounge for new electronics on these older bikes so I have a new ECM, turn signal/alarm module and fuel injector sitting on my shelf when the original parts go south. Having a set of Wilbers also makes this bike feel new.

I’ve got about 40-45k in my 2018 SG. There is no incentive for me to trade in. It will be the last bike I buy and if the motor blows I can get a new motor. A 2001 looks about the same as a 2020 but the brand new ones I’m not sure about. The two best things about keeping the bike you have are no payments and not having to go to the dealer. There are enough garage queen used bikes out there for the next 10 years of Harley buyers. The young guys play around with Groms because they can get one new for $3,500.

Almost all the HD dealers in my area have expanded into “Powersports” dealers and now sell things other than just Harley’s. Currently, when you walk into one of these places you can see that the Harley’s still command 75 percent of the floor space. It’s easy to see that that will dwindle over time and in 10 years or so the HD branded products will occupy but a corner.

Food for thought. No analog gauges at all. All electronic screen. What happens if you have an electrical problem, blow a fuse. Your now riding blind. No speedometer, gas gauge, etc. will this affect the bikes safety features also? If you noticed the bike has led built in turn signals, no bulbs to change. Instead you change the entire assembly. First year model changes are a big risk in my opinion. Like when Harley introduced the M8 in 2017 with the oil pump problems. You were left on your own to correct the problem, no Harley recall or warranty coverage. Careful my wind brothers when considering a new 2024!

I agree. I prefer analog gauges.

Yes the led strips are stupid expensive.

I agree, A big distraction when you should be watching the road and taking in the scenery. Nonsense.

Totaly agree

Hey now, don’t be knocking my monthly free lunch and dinner!

Consider that free lunch is just a small rebate for the huge payment they have to make every month.

But James, they brought the big monthly payment on themselves. It's just unfortunate that the same faces come to the free food/veer day, spend no money but still batch about what kind of beer we are giving away...free of charge.

@@joel8034 That's a fair response.

The remedy, is I bought a 2023 Triumph Rocket-3R 👍🇬🇧🤷🏻‍♂️

and still you keep buying them and let them screw you, that means you really stupid.

They went overboard on the "Harley Culture" b.s., and over charged for absolutely everything they could slap a logo on. They jacked the prices up beyond market tolerance and didn't seem to give a damn that they were pricing most of their new clients right out of the dealers. The wanna-be's that had $ have mostly already bought their bike and now it sits in the garage, still looking new. The upcoming riders don't have the $ right now that HD wants and have wisely turned to other brands that look just as good, ride better, are more reliable, and cost allot less. HD shot themselves in the foot. They get zero sympathy from us.

Yep. Haven’t seen a 2024 RG or SG that isn’t $30k out the door. MSRP means nothing anymore. Thats just what the website says to get you in the door so you can get screwed in secret once you start talking numbers in a sales office.

Harley is a marketing genius...Im not so sure these new bikes are cheaper...yes you get a bigger motor and new tech but hey if you buy a painted fairing and have installed thats about 1500...350 for navigation so by the time you get it equal to the special its about the same.

GM was in the same boat with the Corvette, only old people wanted, or could afford them. When they introduced the mid engined Corvette, they came in at a reasonable 50k range. Now they've crept up a bit, but still obtainable with a decent salary paying job.

This right here! I don’t understand how people trade their bikes in every two years and keep taking that financial hit. It’s a bike, ride it and enjoy it.

Also agree. Got 71k miles now on my 2014 Honda, and I never think of selling it for something else. It's fits me well. I seldom take test rides either, 'cause I don't want ride something much better and feel disappointed with my own.

I bought a Ford Pinto, brand new, in 1972 for $1,995. Not sure what that comes out to in today's prices.

Ya your right = l Road Hds from 1999 through 2017 = 6 New = 2 used low mile bikes = Had a Blast = l avg 16 k a year on milage = Sold them at Around 30 k miles = Very reliable and l did my own Fluid changes = The Times have Changed = Jobs - interest Rates - inflation = lts gona be Tuff Market for Cars & Trucks & Motorcycle = And Alot of other items going forward = lm 65 now and slowed my Pace some = l won't Be buying or taking Out loans for Much anymore & And I really think the Older Gen of gota have A HD has Thindout Bigtime = Times they Really are a Changing 😢

You are the only person I've ever seen that punctuates with equals signs @@paulman9989

100% The markups were shade shade.. karma

@@prawnstar9213you got that right. Riverside Harley, I’m looking at you with your $6500 mark up

The surcharge is gone for 2024 and they have 1.9% for 48 months on 2023 touring bikes.

I'm 49 and am looking at purchasing my first touring bike after years of riding sport bikes. Test riding the Indian Pursuit this weekend... $33k. Never owned anything but Japanese bikes... but I did look at the 2024 Road Glide CVO ST that people are excited about... is it really $42k+? Really?

Spot on, older guys can probably afford it… younger buyers might not be willing to drop that much…

@@TRC_WA It will be far more than that. Popular models are elevated in price with any number of gimmicks. Don't be surprised to see that model at 48k.

@@TRC_WA Yes, $42+ before fees. Insane money. The 2024 Toyota Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD that I'm about to buy Stickers for $42K. A BMW S1000XR set up four touring with 170 hp is around $25K OTD. No way people like us that ride Japanese or European bikes can justify $50K for cruiser.

You can get rates under 5% with your own banks/credit unions. My dealers here in Houston ALL said the interest rates with the banks they partner with were 7% and up in december 2022 when I was looking. 1 phone call later to my personal bank (usaa) I had 3-5% rates offered with 12-72month options/rates in-between. Showed the finance guy I got a check for him if he wants to play ball. I even let him run my credit and the best he could do/find at the time was 7% with my measly 650+ credit score. Mind you I have a mortgage, and a credit card that I always max every month(10k) and pay off every month and messed up my credit utilization but the banks can see that. Scores NOT everything but it definitely is a starting point. Then they wheel and deal you with numbers like if you take their financing they'll make money on the backend and knock off dealer add-ons. OR vice versa you use OSF(outside finance meaning your bank) and pay their msrp plus + and more +. I ultimately walked away because I dislike how Harley Dealers finance guys are. Sales process is atrocious, no sales staff are allowed to give you an OTD. Only the finance guy will talk numbers. I'm a simple guy, give me your best offer OTD whether it's 30k 100k 500k and if it's a fair deal and not some ridiculously inflated price I'll buy it. The financing will work itself out and the numbers will add up if there isn't any fuckassery going on. I know some folks can't get financing for whatever reason, but I don't even window shop unless I have a check or cash in hand. They lost a sale that day. To be fair on us millennial some of us don't really care for Harleys as me personally I see them as old man bikes. Coming from Supersport bikes and dirt bikes, only reason I'm considering a bagger whether Indian or Harley is to relax/chill on my commute to work instead of riding triple digits everywhere I go.

And those days are gone, man under 5%

@@stevenlaspes5823 IKR? My buddy with a 760 score was offered a 12% rate last Saturday…. The rates are still going up

Good luck anytime soon yo

I want one

I had a '12 SG for 8 years. When it came time for a new bike I didn't even consider HD. I bought a Triumph Tiger 900 adventure bike. And I'm 58 years old. Best bike I've ever owned.

I've had three. Always wanted a harley but honestly wasn't very impressed for the money. Bought a Yamaha Tenere this year best all around bike. Awesome performance out the box for under 13k. No offense to Harley owners but today's harley riders are douchebags.

I still have my first and only Harley. A 1995 Springer softail. Its slow but its been a very reliable bike

I had two and couldn’t wait to get rid of my last one. The Harley life is going to a dealership and watching a bunch of old fat people sitting around and other vendors trying to sell the same crap for 50 years. The young people are not into this old people’s overpriced motorcycles.

No way you could have known.

Yes. They are giving away free pizza, hotdogs, chili, beer, almost weekly here now to get you into the showroom. They look desperate.

Funny, I just went through the same experience with an Italian brand. I test rode a 1 year old used bike and the salesman called me everyday for 2 weeks after I told him I didn't want to buy it or anything else right now.

@@kurtruppenthal9506 My local HD shop doesn't have free cookout s anymore. They have a OCC restaurant that charges $20 for a cheeseburger without cheese. As overpriced as a OCC motorcycle.

I'd rather work at McDonald's . Having to be a salesman and constantly bug people to buy.. forget it. Older bikes are better

you will still pay in the end if you're looking, no matter when.

Tomorrow is not guaranteed! Just a thought.

Don’t save up for a rainy day on a rainy day. You’ll loose the deal. If one doesn’t spend more money on a rainy day they will take it away to pay bills and you will be COVERED 😢

You are. It alone

@@markmaese1599 with that mindset start blowing your 401K and retirement accounts today. You never know...What a thought....

Shhhhhhh...

I don't even pay sticker!😂

Not only would I never pay over MSRP . I never even pay MSRP. I have walked out of many dealers over the years just to purchase it at a better price from different dealer.

i always play hard ball, i give them a price and stick to it , they almost always come around to my way of thinking

Harley's were in high demand during the 90's. If you ordered, say, a black one, you may end up with a white one. If you refused, you may have to wait another 6 months for the black to come in. Then, the bike was usually full of extras that you didn't order. Take it or leave it is what they said. I think that's what soured people on Harley ownership.

That bike will last a lifetime if you treat it right.

50k miles is nothing. Even my dicey Ducati is at 35k and rides like it's brand new.

It won’t be a Harley, but a Goldwing will get you 300k-500k reliable miles with routine maintenance and no oil leaks. I almost bought a new ultra touring till I saw that roadside tinkering and oil leaks were common. I’m no roadside or shade tree mechanic. I break machines! Lol!

I put 40K trouble free miles on a 09 Ultra Classic. I just traded it and miss it. I think if I had it to do over I'd spend a few thousand rebuilding the forks and a few maint items and keep it. @@martinharford774

still riding my 76 fl

I am on a 02 FLSTF..... Fat boy now in UK £24,000

"Digging on Shovel" best comment here SYLO

exactly except i went to the Yamaha dealer, lol

I rolled a 1967 Honda 305 off the showroom floor. That bike was reliable and simple to ride. I changed to Sportsters for the next 60 years with a few 74 pan heads in there. When I rode out of the dealership on my new Sportster I was hooked for life. I upgraded each Sportster to Stage One, basically let a 1200 breathe and coax as much throttle response from those reliable EVO motors. I also have a CBR 600 and like it for its smoothness but the Harley Davidson torque is sorely missed. Thank You for the "Remember When"

I won't busy anything from a stealership they'll rob you blind their service work is lousy and over priced also I ride a 89Harley( Springer set up as Heritage Springer The stealerships won't even mount new tires on it Any work I cant do I go to an independent shop to get done this also goes for parts. I need. for repairs I do myself.

I have had the Same Problem with Service ! So I'm just buying the necessary tool's and doing it Myself !

Been riding for 52 years. Have had around 20 bikes of which none have been Harleys. Never wanted one because of reliability and handling issues. My kid loves them though and it's something I just don't understand. I can buy a nice lexus car for the same price as a CVO. Simply to much moola for the product.

I sold my '05 Electra Glide. Then I rode a '17 BMW R1200RT with all the spendy add-ons in pristine condition and was SOLD. That bike is amazing. Not going back to Harley. And, you can get very nice Beemers used (lawyer/doctor trade-ins) for very reasonable prices. They are amazing machines....often hundreds of pounds lighter, more hp and torque, superb handling, brakes, ABS, wind protection, etc. I also have a high paying job but based on pure principal, will NOT spend $30k plus for ANY motorcycle.

my 24 SG was 32 all in with 6 yr warranty, pipes , intake , sissy bar , and tuner .... i wouldn't buy a 23 even though they were marked down 5 grand

M friend in CA says used Beemers are quite cheap, Beemer riders want the NEWEST BMWs so anything used is pretty unwanted. Me, I had a K1200LT and hated it although there was nothing wrong about the bike and it never left me stuck on the side of the road. I'll stick to my Triumph now.@@briand4000

My new 2023 BMW R1250 GS Trophy was cheap! 14% off the MSRP sticker in Nov of 2023 at my local dealership. Quality of suspension, and features> No comparision, Advantage, BMW, all the way.

I just bought a 2023 107 Street Glide $25k otd. They can keep that anniversary edition. Now in another month I'm slapping a stage IV 119 on it, and still cheaper than the new 117.

I am the same way. just show me the price or I'm out

@@Sonic_Boomer_ me too.

There is no law that a MSRP sticker must be displayed, as there is with cars and light trucks. No Japanese, Indian, BMW or harley dealer I've been to put an MSRP sticker on their bikes. In 10 seconds you can see the MSRP of any bike on the internet so a sticker price isn't even needed. Take your smart phone with you when looking for price.

@@motorman857 I get that, but from my experience my Indian dealer posted prices and discounts online and on their bikes. The local Japanese bike shop did the same as well. Sounds like it's just dealer's choice. Hope you're doing well Jerry.

@@RossGoneRogue What I said was H.D., doesn't allow dealers to advertise under MSRP prices. Other makes have their own rules.

My local dealer was purchased by the same owners that own Orlando. Same deal, no prices on bikes. Had to talk to like 3 people to find out they’re charging over MSRP. I walked out, went to a dealer 20 miles away and paid less than MSRP.

I spent my money on an Indian last month. General opinion seems to be that Indian is a smoother, nicer ride. The lifetime powertrain warranty at my dealer speaks volumes to how confident they are in the motor and trans. Depreciate less than Harley’s too… and much less douchy. 😂

We have had a whole bunch of dealer's close down here in the UK ! ☹️

there were too many dealerships when the mid 2000s came around and OCC and jesse james and sons of anarchy made every middle aged man into a wanna be hells angel ...

Yes, 2 went bust up north and Norwich is going I have heard that two more are closing. The bikes just cost too much in todays economic times.

Those were great bikes

They ARE great bikes.@@sll-tt6bj

Victory were great bikes, and fabulous value for money in my books. I won't be getting of mine any time soon! Cheers from Oz. 👍🇦🇺

You’ll love your new Indian.

And now it's garbage... Lol. My neighbor is selling his 2023 for $21k with 50 original miles on it. I think he's upside down on it and needs the $$$.

@@243wayne1it might be garbage if one has to sell it as your neighbor did. That's off the lot depreciation for most vehicles. Like most of the bikes I've bought over the years, I plan on keeping my Heritage for the long haul. All toys/hobbies are basically a big waste of money, but if they bring happiness and enjoyment and you can afford them, the money doesn't matter that much.

I feel sorry for your stupidity

I absolutely agree. I bought a 2018 Heritage Classic and love it!Grew up on jap bikes in the 70's but finally got my HD!

You still paid too much for your bike

They're not into much of what the older generations liked. Their world is the digital world.

​@gregs128yeah i was never into riding horses😂

I'll agree. 2023 sales were down 17%. It's hard to tell what can happen this spring, but only the desperate will pay $5,000 over MSRP to get a 2024 model. I'd laugh and walk out the door.

i bought my 24 for sticker plus a steep discount on accessories and the extended warranty

zero dealer fees , just tax and title with slip ons , intake, sissy bar and tuner and 6yr warranty for $32,218. ... that's with the extra cost of pearl white and black trim $875 and $1300 respectively

also loss of decades old dealerships Hays Salina Juntion City Dodge city

One of our Indian dealers usually has 10-15 HD's in real nice condition.

Woke harley should go broke

And closing the KC factory to move it overseas, HD used to mean Made in USA to the world. I'm not loyal to the nonloyal.

Working people meaning most of us. That leaves us out

then i'll read other comments whining about no bronx model this year and how they aren't changing with the times enough .... everyone thinks they have the answer

People that say they want a bronx model would buy a japanese bike first it would be at least a couple grand if not three four grand less they are delusional to think Harley could make something on par.@@Hard_Right

Exactly. I mean seriously how can they justify like $50g on an Ultra with some flashy paint?

The problem with the anniversary stuff was in 2018 the bikes came out in August of 2017 the anniversary party was the end of August 2018, last year the anniversary bikes came out Jan 25th of 2023 and the anniversary party was July 10th 2023, so only 5 months to hype it up and sell.. vs over a year for the 115th stuff… poor planning and execution!!

@@invisible468 Learned my lesson back in 2003 with the 100th Anniversary bikes. When it came time to sell my 100th Anniversary Electra Glide it didn't add an extra dime to the resale. Won't ever make that mistake again.

Let me share with ya....they are all anniversary models paint or no paint.

M109R is a great bike with awesome looks, good pick. 👍

i had an m109r , sold it 2 years ago and just bought a 24 street glide , they don't make a windshield that doesn't look stupid on the zuki , plus no cruise , no radio no abs , only 5 gears and a transmission made of glass ... yes they are quick but also HEAVY ! my glide has bags (obviously) a faring, all the tech etc etc and still weighs like 150-200 pounds less . i'll bet with the new 117 and tuned and intake and slip ons its gonna be pretty close to the same power/weight ratio as my zuki was

@@Hard_Right can’t say otherwise. The M109 is a bike made in 2010, that’s 14 years old tech. I sold mine in 2014 (i had a 2012 model) for something newer and i wouldn’t go back to old tech. That being said, that bike was not meant to have a windshield like a big American cruiser, you had a power bike that was made for the city or suburbs. But I’ve ridden mine much more then that, but i knew what i was getting with the bike. You can’t get a bike and try to transform it for something else. 🤷‍♂️ But for the time period (2010’s) a great looking bike with a great price. Never had any problems with it (in 2 years and 10 000 miles). And having a 109 cubic inches when my Harley Co-riders were spending $ for kits to upgrade their power, and never even coming close to to my bike, was funny and a lesson for some Harley Church goers. 😄

@@pierrepatry9733 I'm a tech engineer and I know by experience too much hi tech equals troubles. At the end of a work day, I don't want to use or even see any hi tech. I'd rather go fishing or ride my gadget free M109R. I was honestly VERY attracted by some Indians and HD. But i'm the anti theses of the market they are aiming at right now. Gosh, you can't even get a bobber without a stupid computer taking minutes to boot. Now if you think M109R is old tech, well you're in for a surprise. The entire Millwakee 8 series is an attempt to copy the M109R that is 8 valves and 4 spark plugs on a V-Twin EXAXTLY like the M109R. The flimsy gearbox was resolved 12 years ago. When I drove a Honda CM450 in 1988, I couldn't wait to move to a big block with 5 gears. As much as I love manual shifter, I prefer a bike that performs great on 5 gears. For me, 6 gears is not synonymous with relax cruising. Again, if I was rich like an HD rider I would definitely own at least one of them, but I'm just a software engineer supporting a family so I can't afford the maintenance of an HD or Indian ... bummer. I would still keep my M109R though.

@@notyrbsns9321 thank you, that’s a very interesting viewpoint and some valued informations. My friend, i think you would (dislike/hate) my actual bike. A 2020 Triumph Rocket 3R. Now that’s a computer, that comes with a bike lol! But hey, i do have fun with it and smile gettin on it and still be smiling at the end of the day. I guess that’s the important thing. Was nice exchanging with you. Stay safe while riding, but mostly: congratulations for having a family and taking care of your kids. That’s the important thing. 👍

Insane !!!!!!!! New Goldwing Tour, airbag, out the door is 31,500.

@@alp3781and it’s a Honda,you could run a Dakar rally on it for 5 years straight,not change the oil and squirt all your used beers in the gas tank and it wouldn’t skip a single beat.

@@shockashoota That is why I own one. No dispute. Honda is doing something right for 50 years now with the wings. I just ride. I never ride to any dealer, just for food on an open demo days...LOL.

@@alp3781 If you want a bone fide tourer, how do you walk past the Honda dealership? You don't.

They're concussed!

They'd have to buy the bike and then give it to me, for me to ride Harley.

​@@thelakeman5207Girly Boy.....just ride your Honda or polaris and be happy

​@@thelakeman5207I'm nowhere near a fan boy and you sound stupid.

​@@johnswanson3741 nothing more manly than getting cucked by a harley dealer

​@@thelakeman5207sticker price is just forplay. They really rape you with repair costs and maintenance

I remember those days. They may have had a handful of sportsters on the floor but that's all.

Late 90s for sure, there were waiting lists of 2-3 yrs on some bikes

​@brandonjohnson191 mid nineties. Lived through it, and bought a 83 Dina Wide Glide shovel for $9,000 in 1995. It has went up in value ever since.

Evo was the best motor they ever made

@@daveminer9217 I bought, and still have . a 93 Anniversary Dyna Wide Glide new for $13,200

Well, in California people like paying more for eveything. If they didn't like it, why would they continue to vote for higher prices?

@@motorman857 I have yet to meet those people but I’m sure they are out there. I tend to think the city dwellers vote blue hoping for a kickback that never comes. The country folks have a different outlook on the “honest graft” that goes on in Sacramento. Your call to shop around is spot on in any state. Shop that trade-in as well if you need a 24. I’ll keep my 08 CVO Road King and laughing all the way to the bank. It’s not what you make, it’s what you keep. Cheers

That’s insane.

@@stefanjoseph2605 What's insane?

Dealers do that also so they can "give" you more for your trade.

I would wait on buying a ‘23: too many still unsold at dealerships…prices will fall even more.

i bought a 24 .... with the extended warranty

Well, don't buy from that dealer. I have a Honda dealer near me who rarely moves off MSRP. He sells maybe 2 street bikes a month.

That’s why I bought a Tesla when I needed a new car. The direct purchase was the most stress free vehicle purchase I have ever made. Harley would do better to replicate that business model.

@@jimbeam4111 If you go into any Harley dealer or car dealer and say you'll pay whatever the sticker price is and agree to whatever they offer you for your trade, I guarantee the paper work will start flying and you won't have to haggle at all. Just like what Tesla does.

It will be on the dealers to do something. Idk if harley will do anything.

Yeah, and the difference between car and motorcycle dealers....people actually need cars, they do NOT need motorcycles. Good luck to the MoCo, they're gonna need it.

@@briand4000 speak for yourself brother. I need two wheels

🤷🏻‍♂️ idk , i walked in and wrote a check for mine ... and the check was even good 😂😂

@@Hard_Right don't think I have seen a cheque here for years.

I hear ya man, just keepin' it real. I, too can't imagine being without my motorcycles. I rode today with temps in the 20's (F). Screw winter!@@harryhowell5644

The dealerships in the UK are suffering two have gone under, and one is closing with rumours of another two following. The bikes are just not affordable for most people with what is going on with the world.

I would buy used or get something interesting like a Motoguzzi or Triumph. My 2013 ElectraGlide Classic is well maintained and running just fine, and has been all over the country. I think I'll just keep it running for the next few years.

Enjoy the vibrations

I've had a fair few Evo's whilst they were great in their day, the M8 runs circles around them, and as reliable as they used to be they are old enough now to warrant extra attention to the upkeep. In my eyes having an Evo now because back in the day they were reliable is a false economy and the power of the M8's is in a different league to those older EVO's

@@HarleyFirestormThe paper base gasket were ,and still are the biggest problem with an EVO

@@ranchodeluxe1 most motorcycles will last a life time if you look after them. Just because back in the day they were reliable compared to AMF bikes, doesn't mean they are reliable now, even 10 years ago I had Evos and I was always without exception working on them to keep them on the road, I love working on bikes, but I just don't want to keep fixing them all the time, or breaking down by the side of the road which was a thing with sportsters.

I said the same thing about the colors of the 2023 CVO. I like the 2024 colors

I'm telling you, this legendary orange color in person is stunning! Can't wait to break it in. Only 1 mile on it, but it's cold in WI.@@chumps7974

That just means they won't sell either at a reasonable price.......

According to the comment section on this video, people are getting 5K under MSRP on 2023 bikes.

i paid sticker for my 24 plus free 6 year warranty, but the 23s were 5000 under sticker

@@Hard_Right good to know they are doing something to incentivize

@@ab62051 sounds like Harley to me 😂

i was lucky enough to have just sold a property in had inherited so i wanted the 24 and paid cash was able to get the extended warranty thrown in for sticker price plus 15% off anything in the store for the next year

What adds the 6k? Certainly not tax

20 years ago I bought a 4 year old evo FXDWG .I only sold it last , I sold it for what I paid for it in 2004

Was the dealer easygoing for the msrp or did you have to drag out negotiations?

Was it the gray one they had on the sales floor?

The sales GM straight up stated that they are a MSRP dealer

I purchased the Black/ Chrome that was located in the back building near the loading dock

@@russmuzikVery nice. That's the best color combo in my opinion. Congrats on the new bike!

How can I fix it? Its the free market at work. When the supply goes up the price goes down on new and used bikes.

My Honda VTX 1800R approves your message.

PLEASE!!!

One of their best bikes in the last 20 years!!

Agree. I bought a 08 deluxe

@@peterbergeris6510 bought mine in 09

I had an ‘09. GREAT bike.