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w2aew

w2aew

10 жыл бұрын

Here's a how-to video that shows how I replaced the meter movement in a Simpson 260 multimeter. I picked up this 260 at a hamfest recently, and found that the meter movement itself was damaged. My friend Dave, K2ULF, had an old 260 laying around whose meter movement was in good shape but the board was corroded. He generously donated the meter to me to use as a "donor" for the meter movement. I really like using analog meters when working on equipment or circuits that I am fine tuning or adjusting. Following the meter movement up or down is a lot easier (for me) to see than trying to watch a set of flickering digits on a DMM. While some DMMs have bar graph displays, they lack the resolution of an analog movement, and the DMM autorange disrupts the linear movement of the bar graph.

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@twincam825
@twincam825 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job love these old 260 meters the best part made in USA.
@fflynnful
@fflynnful 6 күн бұрын
Thank you. I have a series 7M 260 with a similar failure. The meter requires 85 uA to reach full scale. It did have a battery leak which may be related to the issue. I'll be going to Hunstville hamfest soon, so I'll see what turns up. :) Although digital voltmeters are available for not much money, I like having a good reliable analog meter. I learned something else today about this meter, don't try to clean the white lettering with an enzyme cleaner such as "Awesome" cleaner from Dollar General. The White paint cleans off along with anything else.
@ebones6957
@ebones6957 7 ай бұрын
I bought my 260 in 1960 and still use it today. They are still available for purchase today. I have several newer 260’s. 😂One thing I don’t like is the newer series use proprietary jacks which make test lead adapters necessary in my shop. Most of my instruments are the modern Fluke meters. I would never give up my 260.
@fflynnful
@fflynnful 6 күн бұрын
Finding test leads that fit is a nuisance. Is it for safety or to keep you buying expensive test leads?
@pithandmoment
@pithandmoment 10 жыл бұрын
Great video, as always. This one revived my desire to fix my old broken 260, whose movement was binding around zero. Once I saw how easy it was to take it apart, I opened the meter face and found that one of the studs that holds the scale in place had broken off. It was simple to epoxy it down and put it all back together again. Calibration was straightforward and now it reads
@johncunningham5435
@johncunningham5435 6 жыл бұрын
Very informative video; nice to see the old come back to life, "well done"
@neilsheldon8355
@neilsheldon8355 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Alan, Great video on the ole' 260. (I have a Series 6M and a Series 8P, which helped me fix tons of pieces of electronics, as well as to trace miles of circuits to find cable faults over the years). I believe the meter movement in the 6M is still alive and well, although the circuit is suffering some, while the 8P is in great shape. (Both lived long lives due to their 'roll-top' case; the one on the 6M wore out from dryness and quit 'rolling'.) Through all of those years of use, the 260 remained my 'main meter', even though I had a newer (at the time) Fluke DMM. But the old analog meter in a 260 will tell you things that you can't see on a digital multimeter (as you alluded to in the Video). And it helped me find several problems that everyone else missed. But I appreciated your video most, because it gives me new hope for my "Wounded Warrior" (the 6M)l Thank you! ... More! More! :) 73, Neil, K7WK
@rattinox
@rattinox 7 жыл бұрын
Superb video. My series 6P is the #1 tool of my workshop. I even named the thing.......When I'm working on Ham radio projects, this Classic VOM is better than any digital meter I've ever used.
@shinningraj
@shinningraj 4 жыл бұрын
Very good input from you Sir! I liked the calibrating part the most.
@nicholasbantell2520
@nicholasbantell2520 10 жыл бұрын
I love the Simpson 260 meter. I own two myself, series 7. I used the for work on generators when synchronizing two generators together, among many other uses. The series 7 actually requiers some desoldering to remove the board. Great video, thank you.
@beehive808
@beehive808 10 жыл бұрын
Well after viewing your video. I went through my draws and found my 260-6XL. I put new batteries in it and it still working after 36 years. WOW.
@famossfla
@famossfla 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for another fine video. I own two of these myself. My college instructor would have given you a "D" for calibrating in vertical position instead of laying flat after adjustment. He did me...Lol . He always insisted using analog meters in flat horizontal position. Guess he's right when you think about it. I never forgot that lesson. I always love your video's..
@SimpleEnough2k9
@SimpleEnough2k9 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the quick reply. Since I already bought the base with another set of vise last year, the addition of the PanaVise 376 will be the next item on my shopping list. Thanks again.
@Pwaak
@Pwaak 10 жыл бұрын
Great Video, Thank You! You're a good mechanic! It's important to do all the mechanical stuff well regardless how insignificant the task may seem. Like stripping wires, using correct hardware, etc.
@SIXSTRING63
@SIXSTRING63 5 жыл бұрын
I have a 260 series 7. Great meter. I have 4 Triplett 630’s, A, type 4, APLK and a NA with range divider circuit. I find the Triplett meters to be a bit more accurate and a little more versatile with more ranges. Other than the 30v battery they are great. They usually sell a bit cheaper on eBay compared to the Simpson. I think the Simpson was more popular in the day but not any better. Great video as all yours are. Thanks for all the tips and knowledge.
@k6whp
@k6whp 10 жыл бұрын
Alan, per usual, your videos are informative and helpful. This one contains some VERY useful calibration tidbits. I knew about the 50 uA position but never seen it done. It should be an easy matter to build a reasonably accurate *portable* device to tote to swap meets to test the Simpsons that abound there. Also, I had not reviewed the schematics carefully so it's good to know that all other DC voltage settings hinge off the accuracy of the 2.5 VDC setting and only vary by dint of the value of aged the precision resistors. What occasioned my visiting was that I picked up a Simpson (Series 5, I think) at a swap meet this weekend where someone had replaced the meter movement with a Series 6 or 7 ~~ I disremember. Nonetheless, it seemed to be accurate. This video will aid in further corroborating that hypothesis. So now I am up to two: the aforementioned series 5/6 and my Series 7PM. If I get another, I am going to seek counseling. Thanks again, Bill, k6whp
@jeffmassey4860
@jeffmassey4860 6 жыл бұрын
Repaired some corrosion in a Series 4 while watching this video.Working!
@Eddy3B
@Eddy3B 8 жыл бұрын
Just found a 260 series IIIs. Batteries had been in there since 1991 (had dates taped to them), cleaned that mess up and replaced them, repositioned the meter movement (needle was hitting at furthest point). It also was far too loose so snugged it up so that it had a smooth movement. Used some WD40 to clean connectors inside since the ohms 0 zero reading fluctuated between 3 settings. It helped fix that prob. I still need to calibrate with a true voltage source but it seems fine. My Dad was an electrician and had an old meter so I am familiar with them. There is just something beautiful about the design. BTW: I am in Canada, the meter is a Canadian made one. Picked it up for $40- at thrift store.
@ka2cqj
@ka2cqj 10 жыл бұрын
Excellent Simpson meter video like all the rest. That is a quality meter.
@tonymazz9912
@tonymazz9912 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video. I just bought one yesterday for $25 WITH the case that has the sliding door on it. It needs a cleaning and I'll put in a new battery. His Father who passed away was a Collector of ANY type of vintage electronics, the garage is packed full of it. Checkout Craigslist Jersey shore if you are interested. The video here shows me exactly what to do to check it out. Thanks again !
@normanmoment7379
@normanmoment7379 4 жыл бұрын
Just a plug for Simpson vintage analog meters - Unlike other meters of the 70's and earlier, the Simpson 260-6 user manual clearly graphs out its responsiveness to AF and low RF with the AC voltage ranges. Its performance looks good for my needs. I plan on getting that model meter and will be using it for audio frequency voltage reads because of the speed of taking readings that an analog meter gives.
@OneCoolDude08
@OneCoolDude08 10 жыл бұрын
I have a 260 6-series that had a floating needle. The adjustment screw wouldn't move the needle and when taking a measurement it would nudge it in that direction but float freely. After watching this video I took a second look at it, and it seems to be working fine, lol. I could only test voltage because I can't find the needed batteries around here!
@saurus738
@saurus738 3 жыл бұрын
Well, worth to ask, mine was another issue, when it was laying down position, it reads ok, when it was on any other position, the needle won't reach 0 when trying to calibrate. I wonder if the movement needed to be replaced.
@PapasDino
@PapasDino 10 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual...what did you use as the current source when you did the initial 50uA full scale test?
@tdumnxy
@tdumnxy 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you for continuing to make such interesting and informative videos. I would like to start using my late father's AVO meter (the UK equivalent of Simpson). The one I have is a late 1960's model but has some corrosion in the battery compartment. Is there any solvent or cleaner you can recommend?
@alvarezruiz4030
@alvarezruiz4030 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have a 7 series and it gives me zero horizontally and on 2 sides, but in the other potions it does not give zero, as well as no measurement works, I want to know if the galvanometer is fine? .Thank you
@fijabo
@fijabo 3 жыл бұрын
I wanted to share my experience with you folks. I purchased an used simpson 260 series 7M from eBay. Everything looks good except that the needle did not reach the Zero position at the Rx1 ohm scale when the leads were shorted together. Because the Rx100 and Rx10,000 scales were working fine, I tested the resistor R16 (11 ohms) and it checked OK. Then, I concluded that it must be a parasitic circuit create by dust and dirt. Even though the PCB circuit looked pretty neat, I cleaned the traces and the areas around the resistor R16 and the Range Switch with a Q-tip and 100% alcohol. To my satisfaction, the Rx1 scale started working as it should.
@MrSrknsl
@MrSrknsl 3 жыл бұрын
Good day, I have the same measuring device. Rx1 mode does not work. Do you have any suggestions?
@StewartRussell
@StewartRussell 10 жыл бұрын
Nice video. There are a bunch of surplus Bach-Simpson 635HV meters floating about in the Canadian used market. The "working" (ie needle moves full-scale) ones go for $35, the not-so-working ones go for $25. I got one of the latter ones and cleaned it up. Battery goo had got into the meter movement and was fouling the moving coil. I carefully scraped it out with a dental pick, and now it works! It's pretty far off calibration on some scales. Not going to test its 6kV range at all! 73 de VA3PID
@warplanner8852
@warplanner8852 2 жыл бұрын
Waggish comment in re your "nothing more boring than watching someone remove four screws" comment. I would add/replace the sentiment: VIRTUALLY ANY unboxing video up to the point where the delivered product is fully exposed, all packing and wrapping materials are out of sight, and the item in question has had the analysis/review commenced! Others than that, I can think of NONE of your fine videos that violate that maxim, Alan!
@Eddy3B
@Eddy3B 8 жыл бұрын
BTW: cool video. very informative.
@SimpleEnough2k9
@SimpleEnough2k9 10 жыл бұрын
Although it isn't related to the topic, could you tell me where I can get a vise like the one you have on your PanVise base ? Regards. BTW, keep up with the good work, always interesting, easy to follow and specially motivating as I quite oftenly attempt to reproduce the simple circuits you're explaining to study and comprehend them even further more. Thanks again !
@armandoperdomo
@armandoperdomo Жыл бұрын
Very good video my buddy. 3 days ago I bought the same Simpson 260 Series 3 multimeter. Can you help me calibrate it, because in R*100 and R*1 the measurements are not correct. I tested the resistors with a Fluke 77 tester. Best regards.
@zeljkoadzic1692
@zeljkoadzic1692 Жыл бұрын
Hi I'm looking for Function Switch knob for Simpson 260 AMM Thank you in Advance Best Regards
@email16v
@email16v 4 жыл бұрын
The best for telco industry too. I have one and want a new one too
@charleshanse8573
@charleshanse8573 7 жыл бұрын
I changed out the meter movement on my simpson 260-6 had one with a bad board , another with bad meter. after reassembly repaired unit will not read. any ideas?
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
Not really. These things are pretty simple, so it shouldn't be too difficult to trace the connections to see if something isn't connected right. All info on the different series/versions can be found here: www.simpson260.com/
@clems6989
@clems6989 8 жыл бұрын
When I was in college the Simpson 260 was the Fluke 87... I would still like to have one around. Sometimes an old analog meter is very useful....
@w2aew
@w2aew 8 жыл бұрын
+Matthew Miller I agree - an analog meter movement is still a very nice thing to have for many applications. The good news is that they were so popular that they are pretty easy to find. The bad news is that people still understand their value so prices aren't so cheap, and you don't know if you're getting one that has been damaged (physically, electrically, or battery leakage).
@clems6989
@clems6989 8 жыл бұрын
+w2aew Exactly right, I realky enjoy the videos, thanks so much for all your hard work on these videos my friend..73 N8QZH
@viorelpopescu4990
@viorelpopescu4990 9 ай бұрын
Ha, ha, ha eu detin un UNIGOR 1S austriac din anii 70 si astazi este functional si la fel de precis am lucrat numai eu cu el Nu l-am imprumutat nimanui si nu am lasat sa masoare cu el Desi am lucrat cu tot felu de digitale in ultimii 30 de ani, la nevoie apelez tot la batrinu meu care nu ma mintit nici o data, mi l-au cerut multi dupa pensionare dar nu ma indur sa ma despart de el e toata tineretea mea, viata mea in el Nu ma pot desparte decit poate dupa ce nu voi mai fi
@al3xcg
@al3xcg 6 жыл бұрын
the meter movement of a 260 series 5, works in a 260 series 8?
@w2aew
@w2aew 6 жыл бұрын
I am not sure. You'll have to study the documentation for each series. You can find it all here: www.simpson260.com/
@kristerpanzerfaust
@kristerpanzerfaust 7 жыл бұрын
Hi, i accidentally put 5Kv ac into 50v range on my 260 series 3 Now the whole ac range is wasted, needle oscillates violently at 50hz i guess. do you have any clue what causes that, is there any dampening or rectification in the circuit that got fried or do i have some mechanical failure at the needle? everything else on meter works perfect.
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
You probably shorted the rectifier diodes that convert AC to DC.
@viorelpopescu4990
@viorelpopescu4990 9 ай бұрын
​@@w2aew exact asta este deranjamentul Ptru depanare e necesar sa cautati o pereche de diode perfect egale altfel dezecilibrati puntea de masura Aducerea in parametri est putin mai dificila in functie de diferentele care apar din cauza diodelor noi
@miss.wright3035
@miss.wright3035 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure if you're replying, can this meter be used in place of a VTVM ? My old vtvm has 10meg impedance and I need something similar to replace it. Thanks !
@w2aew
@w2aew 2 жыл бұрын
No, the Simpson 260 input impedance is MUCH less than that. Another VTVM, or just about any DMM, will have 10Mohm input impedance.
@bigguyprepper
@bigguyprepper 6 жыл бұрын
I'm curious, why did you not replace what looks like a bumble bee capacitor while you were inside?
@w2aew
@w2aew 6 жыл бұрын
I did, later on, but didn't shoot video of that.
@ac4nl
@ac4nl Жыл бұрын
Greetings ... Thanks for your channel. My 260-8 meter seems to have become "unbalanced", one display tick mark between being positioned vertical and hortizonal. Have been looking for info as if it is better to replace the meter movment or try to repair. Any suggestions ? Thanks..
@w2aew
@w2aew Жыл бұрын
While is it possible to move the counterweights to balance the meter movement, this is a very difficult thing to do. Personally, I don't have the knowledge or skill to do it properly.
@ac4nl
@ac4nl Жыл бұрын
@@w2aew thanks.
@randyfromm
@randyfromm 10 жыл бұрын
Swarf! Great *new* word for me. Thank you for a boost in vocabulary. Swarf. Swarf, swarf, swarf! English has a noun for everything!
@felixcat4346
@felixcat4346 7 жыл бұрын
Thank, nice repair. I have a MF-47 analogue kit. It has scales for hfE, and LV/V. Maybe you could do a tutorial on how to use these. The hfE scale is used to measure the condition of the npn and pnp junction of transistors. It also has a scale for dB which is expained in the Simpson manuel. The LV/V scale is still a mystery since the manuel for it is in Chinese with no translation I can find.
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
hFE measures the current gain of the transistor - also known as the transistor's Beta. I really don't know what the LV scale is for. The only time I've seen this term being used is to show the terminal voltage when making measurements like resistance or diode checks. Not sure if this is what your meter shows on this scale.
@nemanjatodorovic2803
@nemanjatodorovic2803 10 жыл бұрын
Hello, if you can do video on dissipation factor and quality factor of the capacitors and inductors? I think it would be very educational and interesting. All the best.
@angelperez2466
@angelperez2466 8 жыл бұрын
Hi, I am electronics technician, years pass and there is still interest in this lol analog meter, I wonder if you know the functions of the 4 potentiometers adjustments that brings in the Simpson 260, know how to recalibrate again if there be maladjusted it is very difficult this? I have the full Schematic Manual of this team, but does not explain how calibrated (R22, R25, R1 & R2) ... By
@w2aew
@w2aew 8 жыл бұрын
There are a few calibration procedure manuals located here, depending on the series of your meter: www.simpson260.com/downloads/downloads.htm
@angelperez2466
@angelperez2466 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, I have Serie 8, If you want, I send the full Manual, the better the schematic and side components, not so blurry as those who are in this web.
@waynegram8907
@waynegram8907 3 жыл бұрын
Which DVM lab meters can measure the Forward Diodes Resistance? In rectifier circuits I think using a Simpson 260 you can measure the Forward Diode Resistance but when the AC voltage is increasing the forward diode resistance will increase in value. So the higher the AC voltage the Higher the Forward Diode Resistance, but how can you measure the Forward diode resistance?
@w2aew
@w2aew 3 жыл бұрын
A diode's forward resistance is not a constant value, it varies depending upon the operating point. So, the only way to characterize it is to look at the I-V curve for the diode, using manual measurements, a curve tracer, or an SMU (source measure unit).
@waynegram8907
@waynegram8907 3 жыл бұрын
@@w2aew What is a SMU source measure unit? Measuring the I-V curve using a curve tracer doesn't get the Diodes forward resistance values. The DVM meter and Simpson Analog meter only has one test current and one test voltage to measure OHMS. DVM meters setting in OHMS will output a test current/current source and will measure the voltage drop across the diode or resistor to get the Ohms resistance value. If I use a Lab power supply as a constant current source and use a DVM meter set to voltage I can calculate the ohms or forward diodes resistance?
@w2aew
@w2aew 3 жыл бұрын
@@waynegram8907 A SMU is a combination of a precision current source, DMM and power supply. It can be used to source/sink current and measure voltage, or apply voltage and measure current. Very useful for characterizing two-terminal devices: www.tek.com/document/brochure/source-measure-units-save-time-space-and-money-and-make-multiple-measurements A diode is a non-linear device, thus the "resistance" is different under different bias conditions. The resistance can be determined by the slope of the V-I curve at any point. If you want to do this with a constant current source supply and a DVM, you'd have to measure two points and then calculate the slope (change_in_V)/(change_in_I)
@waynegram8907
@waynegram8907 3 жыл бұрын
@@w2aew How can I use a Lab Power supply as a Constant current source? If I set the current limit on the lab power supply to 1mA , what voltage do I use to make the lab power supply into a constant current source? Or do you just set the voltage on the power supply to the forward bias voltage .7vdc and then set the current limit to different current settings and using my fluke DVM to measure the voltage drop across the diode? The Forward Diodes resistance will change in value for different current settings and voltage settings. In Rectification the diode is "not biased" at all have NO DC bias or DC voltage. The AC voltage will get rectified but when the AC voltage is passing through the diode, the forward diodes resistance is changing in value. The Forward Diode resistance will cause a LOSS of efficiency in the rectification circuit. How would you measure the Forward Diode resistance when an AC waveform applied to the Diode to measure the Loss of Efficiency of the rectification circuit?
@waynegram8907
@waynegram8907 3 жыл бұрын
@@w2aew If you have an SMU can you make a video lesson on how to use an SMU to sink current and Source current to measure various components. I have never used an SMU so don't know how to really use one to sink current and source current. A lab power supply only sources current, I'm not sure if a lab power supply can SINK current?
@kellylykins12
@kellylykins12 10 ай бұрын
I need to replace the 9volt battery in this Simpson 260
@power-max
@power-max 8 жыл бұрын
I picked up this exact meter at a antique shop and it looks like this thing has been severely neglected. :( Anyways I was hoping you would have some advice on how to clean up the insides from the terrible corrosion without damaging the parts themselves. I would like to use it in my videos too, I think it looks really cool. Also it appears that no matter what I do, I cannot get any meter movement at all. I hope it is not the meter itself and instead a broken wire somewhere. What points inside the meter will give me the most direct connection to the meter itself?
@power-max
@power-max 8 жыл бұрын
Ehh, it appears that indeed the meter movement itself that is also broke. I can only get the needle to move a few divisions with 50V. I assume that the winding has been fried. :( Where could I get a replacement meter movement for
@w2aew
@w2aew 8 жыл бұрын
If you put the meter in the 50V scale, there is a direct connection to the meter through the common and 50uAamp connector (just above the ohms adjust knob). Unfortunately though, if the corrosion is from battery leakage, it is often unrepairable because the acid gets absorbed into the old Bakelite circuit board.
@w2aew
@w2aew 8 жыл бұрын
Your only hope to get a replacement that cheap would be from a used donor.
@power-max
@power-max 8 жыл бұрын
That's too bad. The one on my circuit board looks far worse than the meter you showed, everything has that thick green corrosion on it. I was considering rewinding the coil itself until I popped the cover off and noticed how ridiculously fine the wire is and the tolerances involved, I am very impressed with what they were able to manufacture such a long time ago!
@power-max
@power-max 8 жыл бұрын
+w2aew Actually I stuck a 50V power supply (same small grey HP power supply you have as well by coincidence) _directly_ across the meter movement itself in hopes to get it to react. For a second it appeared as if it came unstuck but it never went higher than a few divisions. Thanks for the help! I guess I will keep an eye out for good deals on these meters, I would really like to get ahold of one!
@bebsrepairbench5074
@bebsrepairbench5074 5 жыл бұрын
I always hear people talk about watching "needle wiggle" on analog VOMs being the way to go to do alignments on receivers but have never seen it done or really understand the details behind it. Any chance you might be able to do a video on that?
@w2aew
@w2aew 5 жыл бұрын
The basic concept with alignment is often to adjust things for maximum response (peak in signal level). An analog meter makes this easy because you can watch the meter rise or fall in response to your adjustments. This is more difficult to interpret with a digital meter.
@bebsrepairbench5074
@bebsrepairbench5074 5 жыл бұрын
@@w2aew So it's not an oscillating kind of wiggle, but more of a dip meter kind of a response?
@w2aew
@w2aew 5 жыл бұрын
In general, yes. Usually tuning for s peak, sometimes for a dip. The only time you typically get a wiggle is when you are zero-beating. See my video on zero beating.
@bebsrepairbench5074
@bebsrepairbench5074 5 жыл бұрын
@@w2aew I'll definitely do that. Thanks.
@viorelpopescu4990
@viorelpopescu4990 9 ай бұрын
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@ilovegodandgames5588
@ilovegodandgames5588 7 жыл бұрын
how do you tell witch 260 meter you have?
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
Most of them have the "Series #" printed in small print on the meter face. When in doubt, compare using the info found here: www.simpson260.com/
@ilovegodandgames5588
@ilovegodandgames5588 7 жыл бұрын
OK
@PapasDino
@PapasDino 10 жыл бұрын
Well, I sure over-thought that one!
@unklebidii
@unklebidii 6 жыл бұрын
To calibrate an analog meter, could I go with a DMM I have?. It's not a Fluke, but I'm not looking for precise precise measurements.. reason I ask is I just got a cheap analog meter(Soltec HM-102S) and it's my first analog(excitement). I eventually want a Simpson but figured I need to learn how to use this first. Haha. Only reason I want a Simpson is because of your vids. That vintage stuff is awesome. I also can't find much about how to calibrate these meters out of the box or if they already are. The zero-ing out of ohmmeters is new to me. Recently I've grown quite fond of analog meters..learning about them..and this video showed up just in time, even though its over 4 years old. ..
@w2aew
@w2aew 6 жыл бұрын
Out of the box, it should be properly calibrated, so I wouldn't worry about it. They generally don't drift much at all, unless they've been abused or stored in nasty damp environment. Since you have a DMM, use that for your measurements needing the best accuracy, and use the VOM for quick checks and for those occasions where watching a meter movement (tweaking and peaking circuits) is more important than absolute accuracy.
@unklebidii
@unklebidii 6 жыл бұрын
w2aew does the needle need to line up with 0 ac/DC scale? What is the 5k, 10k,etc point.
@w2aew
@w2aew 6 жыл бұрын
I assume you're talking about your HM-102S. Yes, without measuring anything, the needle should line up on the 0 on the AC/DC scale. If it doesn't, carefully adjust the plastic adjustment screw in the bottom-center of the meter movement clear plastic cover, right above the meter's fulcrum. The 5k, 10k, etc. are on the Resistance scale, and are used when making resistor measurements.
@unklebidii
@unklebidii 6 жыл бұрын
w2aew yes, the HM 102S. How does the mirror work?
@w2aew
@w2aew 6 жыл бұрын
The mirror is there to get rid of the parallax error. If you look straight ahead to the meter, the pointer lines up with a given reading. But, if you are off-center to one side or the other, the pointer lines up with a different spot - all because the pointer is some small distance above the scale - so the angle that you view it is important. The mirror is used to help you look at the correct orientation. When you are looking directly perpendicular to the meter, the reflection of the pointer will be directly underneath the pointer itself. Then, you know you're viewing "dead on" and the parallax error is gone. If you are looking at the meter and you can see the reflection of the pointer, then you know you're not looking directly "dead on", and you may read a slight error due to the parallax.
@DaveMcAnulty
@DaveMcAnulty 10 жыл бұрын
I attempted to repair one of these once. All I can say is, watch out!! The meter magnet can (and did) pull a jewelers screwdriver out of a loose hand hold :(
@Roy_Tellason
@Roy_Tellason 3 жыл бұрын
I own a couple of these meters, as well as probably 3 other analog VOMs. And a half dozen or so DVMs, none of which are in complete agreement with each other. :-) One of my 260s is a Series 2, I've had it since I was a kid, and it's seen some horrible abuse and a few repairs, mostly when I had access to those folks that could do that professionally. I've replaced the original leather (!) handle with some nylon strapping after the leather one got chewed up in a toolbox lid, the nylon had to be cut with a tool that could handle piano wire. It ain't gonna break any time soon. The other meter I was given not too long ago, and it's a real sad case. The glass is broken, and at least two of the shafts are "frozen" and I'm not sure what to do to deal with that. I *think* that it's even older than the one I had, there are a couple of "3V" batteries in there of a type that I've never seen in rectangular cardboard cases, no sign of leakage (which is why I opened it up in the first place). Do you know of a source to get parts for these meters? Is Simpson still in business? BTW, two of my digital meters are also Simpson, I like their stuff in general...
@w2aew
@w2aew 3 жыл бұрын
Simpson is still in business, however I doubt they still have parts for a 50-70 year old meter. They still sell a few versions of the 260. simpsonelectric.com/
@Roy_Tellason
@Roy_Tellason 3 жыл бұрын
I see a 260-8 listed in their current product line. :-) I'm specifically looking for a new case for my 461 which was damaged on its face by bench chemicals, and also a manual for my 464, no luck so far but I've sent a couple of emails. Some of the places they list as being fairly local to me aren't, when you go to those websites. We'll see how that goes...
@w2aew
@w2aew 3 жыл бұрын
@@Roy_Tellason a 464 manual can be found near the bottom of this page: simpson260.com/downloads/downloads-2.htm
@khroe
@khroe 10 жыл бұрын
So far I have 9 260s, a series 1, 2 series 2s, 2 5Ms, a 6XLP, a 7 and a 7P and a series 8. I think I may need professional help.
@cwr56
@cwr56 10 жыл бұрын
No, You're still in the early stages of collecting, whereas I've already progressed to Stage 4 terminal illness. The following is MY Simpson collection. I must have more! (1) Simpson 221 Roto Ranger (2) Simpson 250 (1) Simpson 250-L (3) Simpson 255 (4) Simpson 260 Series 1 (1) Simpson 260 Series 2 (2) Simpson 260 Series 3 (1) Simpson 260 Series 3A (Somewhat Rare) (2) Simpson 260 Series 5 (1) Simpson 260 Series 5A (Much Rarer) (1) Simpson 260 Series 5P (2) Simpson 260 Series 6 (1) Simpson 260 Series 6M Made for Motorola (2) Simpson 260 Series 6P (1) Simpson 260 Series 7M (1) Simpson 260 Series 8XPi (1) Simpson 260 Series AFP-1 (3) Simpson 260 Series SR (Clear Caseback) (1) Simpson 261 Series 2 (1) Simpson 265 (1) Simpson 269 Series 2 (2) Simpson 269 Series 3 (2) [Simpson] Dupont Model 101 Blaster's Multimeter (1) [Simpson] ETI Model 101A Blaster's Multimeter (1) Bach Simpson 260 Series 5 (2) Bach Simpson 635-HV (Canadian Armed Forces) (1) Bach Simpson TS-111 Series 2 Railroad VOM
@cheewurz
@cheewurz 5 жыл бұрын
I have a Busted Case.
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