One of the best time travel series. Surpassed the charm of original 12 monkey movie in my personal opinion. This series should have much more fan base.

One of the best series on tv in the last 20 years! It's a real shame it didn't get nearly enough of a mainstream audience (10 years from now I can bank it's held in high regard like Breaking Bad and Game of Thorns, etc. It's close to perfect and has real re-play value to it! I wish it ran at least 2 more seasons (4 seasons isn't nearly enough for a story this deep and brilliant)

The shows ending is astoundingly genius, in the Jennifer-Cole ouroboros loop where they tell each other that 'the right ending is the one that you choose' is true for the entire show and true for the the viewer of the show as they literally get to choose their own ending depending on their own interpretation of events and their own personality - it's very impressive writing. And it's a fairytale ending either way - the ending I chose is where they save time and Cole and Cassie are reunited and Jennifer tells Cole 'sometimes the right ending is the one someone else chooses for you' hearkening back to Athan telling Jones that there may come a time when a single life 7 billion may be one to many and that she should choose to save the one which she does by changing the primary code. But it's also kind of a dark fairytale ending if they're all in the red forest and the prophecy of the primary is that the true witness would be Cassie because 'she fears loneliness and nothingness' and Cassie is ultimately the one who defeats Olivia and chooses to bring about the red forest and be with Cole forever because she loves him too much to let him go. It works either way, THE RIGHT ENDING IS THE ONE YOU CHOOSE!

This show ended so beautifully. Definitely my top 3 most like tv series

except athon talking to jones was a flashback and not part of the new timeline, that was how she got started

well said, couldn't say it better myself. Although i don't necessarily agree with your multiple ending theory. The show always shuffled back and forth primarily from 2 points in time, the present and the future. After Cassie chose to save the world and not bring on the red forest, which is what happened at the end in my opinion, granted we are taken first to Cassie in the beginning of 2013. The reason for this is because as stated with the time travel shots time will happen around her unlike everyone else. We're taken to the first scene of the series back in 2013 because that is the only earliest point where she would be able to remember what occurred with Cole and the future. She cannot recall any events of the future that occurred before up until the first time she was suppose to meet Cole, which is why shes on the phone with ex bf Aaron. Once she enters the car everything comes rushing back to her because that is her first moment when all her craziness began. That is why she's looking in her backseat for Cole but he's nowhere to be found. Naturally she goes to the Emerson when her fears become a reality. Cole has been erased from existence. As far as the scenes with Jones and grown up Hannah, Ramsay and son, and an older Jennifer with Deacon, and his brother at their bar are scenes not from Cassie's point in time, 2013 and the following years but are happening in the new 2043 where the timeline has changed for good. There's no virus to wipe out mankind because Olivia is the cause, as shown when sliced in half and transported to 894, completing her cycle. Showing that scene justs shows how she played a role in the original timeline by being the body the virus came from. In this new timeline she would now never be able to be that virus infected body due to the fact that she is a child of time travel. Since time travel never existed neither could anybody associated with the forming of the Army of the 12 Monkeys.

I especially love that both endings work... and even if the red forest did happen, well at least Cassie and Cole are reunited. On one hand, it doesn't really feel like they're in the red forest at the end, but they COULD be and I love that we CAN'T KNOW. This show is honestly pure genius.

I am not used to saying stuff I may regret later, but this series is *the best thing I have ever watched*

I have witness the best tv finale.

This is one of the best shows that has ever aired.

I just finished the finale and it was TRULY amazing and bitter sweet. I confess I got a little teared up!😢

i just finished watching the entirety of all the 12 monkeys series's for the second time. as for the red forrest creating a persons perfect moment, there are 2 things that are supposed to happen, firstly its supposed to do exactly what it says on the tin (Forrest becomes red) and what we've seen happen in the series when the paradoxes and time travel stuff is effecting time (turning plants and stuff to red), and the other thing its supposed to do is create the persons perfect moment to re-live over and over again WITHOUT time being a concept, meaning no days going by again and again or doing work then coming home etc. Cassies perfect moment would'nt involve desperately waiting around for cole in the ceder house and being rejected by the emerson hotel staff. Also the mistake she made was using cole's real name when asking for him there, we see when cole first finds out about the emmerson and rents out a room alongside jenny with him (who claims it was'nt HIS first time there, even though it was himself's current self's first time there) the name they give is morris morrison, or something fake and goofy lol, i know for sure it was'nt his real name. he ends up getting a room next door in like 609 i believe because 607 is being watched at the time. Also the clerk told cassie they stopped selling out rooms as a perminant residence since the 1940's, but did'nt cole buy the room sometime in the 1930s? probebly 1944 if i'm not mistaken i did at first kind of believe that cole was dead or having his red forrest moment when waking up washed up on the shore, it felt too good to be true lol. i think all timelines are continually running at the same time, it feels like nothing got erased but rather prevented instead. But then... how did cole appear washed up on the shore if his past was in the future as a scavenger with ramsees? ramsees was also a scavenger at the time so him being in the past with a child already born makes no sense, unless their former selves (cole in kid form left at the orphanage place WITH kid ramsees) also exist in the same timeline. This can cause a paradox intentionally if they ever decided to come in contact with eachother. This part we know is speculation. BUT we do know old jenny in the bar with deacon exists in the same timeline as young jenny on tv, meaning they can come in contact with eachother and cause a paradox. At the end everyone appears to be living a happy life, but the red forrest only gives a person a perfect moment in their own head, or a persons own perfect moment rather than everyone having their own perfect moment at the same time and be able to interact with eachother. IF the red forrest did happen, then we woulda seen the doc from back to the future (the tall man's dad/botonists dad) having his perfect moment playing that kids game toy things with his wife, AND the tall man spending time with his dad, as moments before he seen his dad get shot in the past by the hg wells detective guy the dad says to him "see you again when the forrest is red" or "see you later in the red forrest" or something before provoking his own death. Olivia's perfect moment was probebly the idea of being the withness, that being her goal and moment of perfectness that she was hoping to achieve as her main goal, having her body blasted from 2043 all the way back to year 800 or 900 and something probebly her death moments after such a long jump in time had caused her spirit spirit to become timeless,and thus the withness in spirit, but a dead virus body in the flesh. or maybe not, that last part about olivia i just pulled outta my asss last minute, but it could be something. a small bit of speculation i wonder about. Everything is put in place to happen again, back to where it was origenally, except for cole and ramsees and future jenny

binged it twice. Loved it. Will probably binge it again and start a new cycle. Love the ending. Love how the episodes show us fate. Everything that will happen has already happened in the episodes. We just dont find out until that moment comes.

they are all in their original timelines, except Cole(2013), deacon and Jennifer are in 2043 because you see Miss goines a bit older, and maybe jones and her family are in 2043 hannah isn't Cole's mother anymore because basically he never borned

This is one of the best series I've ever seen. I wonder why it is not as popular as it should be.! Everybody should watch it especially those who've seen Dark. The story is just perfect. It is definitely underrated..

Personaly I think they made it, they saved the world. Also, even if they didn't, the characters like Deacon or Jones are not "older than they should be in 2013", we just see them like they became, without the plague. Plus, in Deacon's bar, Jennifer is older,it means they are many years in the future, maybe 2040, but when she finds Cole, she is younger, then if it's the Red Forest I don't think she would aging (until what age? If they never die, they won't aging infinitely, this wouldbe stupid).

One thing that really interested me and was a bit overshadowed by the time travel element was this : how easily one can create a religion homing in on people's insecurities and fears and grief, as was the case with the 12 Monkeys &the Witness

Awesome theory buddy... i am so sad that this series is criminally underrated... maybe it would be better rated if it was released in 2020 or in near years... or if it was better advertised😌

I tend to ramble on, lol. I think there is only 1 ending, She saved the world and the happy scenes with the other cast members are them in the new future, 2043. As the show did, those scenes are switching back and forth with all other cast members in the new 2043 while the scenes with Cole, young Jennifer and Cassie are in the present, between 2013 and several years after I guess. That's my take anyway!

Personally I think the ending truly happens, and just the leaves turning red is autumn and thematically the true red forest aka perfect moment, while the red forest of time being screwed is not in effect. A bunch of the other stuff just seem like explanations or time skips to show how life played out. Like the scene with athan and Jones is just from inside the jinn, explaining her final thing to save Cole.

O, and the scene when Cassie died with the white streak in her hair was from the previous timeline, not the new one where she saved the world and the virus never existed.

I cried so many times these last few episodes. I’m both satisfied and still digesting. I like how the right ending is the one you choose. So I choose the happily ever now.

Thanks for putting out the only decent ending analysis (I can find) for this show. I just finished binging 12 Monkeys and … wow, just wow. By far one of the best sci-fi series ever. I’d love to see you put out a longer analysis video on the connections throughout the series and how it all comes together at the end. Unlikely I know this long after it has ended, but hey, might as well ask :)

I don't agree with ur theory. But 12 monkeys is the best series I have ever watched. The sense of closure it gave me, satisfaction. This has to be the best. What more do you need from a series.

Both endings happened. Red Forest was the original and the "good" ending was when the cycle was broken after going through the same thing numerous times.

I think that for the entire time the djinn never broke and the red forest happened that is why all the characters are enjoying their perfect moments. The virus will happen in a different world and red forest in different world.

AWESOME! What a great theory. Dude you Rock! Please don't take any contradiction i'm about to suggest as disrespect because you the man! I owe you a beer and truly love your theory!!! The only problem I find with it is the 12 Monkeys universe is not Back To The Future where each action caused an alternate dimension/reality. In 12M there was only one timeline where they had instant confirmation of how, and if, their actions changed the timeline with nose bleeds, memories, a scratched watch, etc,. It was solid and in the end was what made this series great! The problem that had to be solved was how could they break the circle that they lived in and contributed to. It was complex and direct. From beginning to end it didn't leave it sloppy or open ended for us to guess or debate like Lost did. To start I have to question if Olivia could have really beat them, and time, by accident? How was she going to break the circle with the Red Forest when she clearly didn't have a good plan. She fumbled, guessed, cheated and bungled what her ego didn't understand. Pardon the pun but she was like a monkey humping a football. This makes me ask if time (within the laws within the 12M universe) would just say "aww what the hell" and allow her to succeed in undoing time and creating the Red Forest while Cole and the Primaries had to figure out a precise puzzle to end the apocalypse. Time was clearly on Coles side HAHAHA, the song should be playing in your head now MUAHAHALALALA. Also wonder if time would allow the death of everyone (including all primaries) if it depended on people to help it along. I don't think so. But that's not definitive and you are correct that the wrap up shows happy endings that could almost be too happy for everyone. So how do we confirm which ending was the right one based on the laws of the 12M univers? Here are my thoughts and i'm open to criticism so please correct me. From what we see everyone gets the life they hoped for and that's where we find the solution to the real ending. We know the Red Forest did not create a dream world of what you wanted to happen. The Red Forest would only let you relive the best parts of your life with the ones you loved that had actually happened. So If Cassandra didn't hit the button and the Red Forest had happened those "happy lives" we saw could not have happened and could not have been everyone's "Happily ever now" because they never took place to begin with. Only if those lives had actually been lived before the creation of the Red Forest could they have been real and relived in the Red Forest. This shows that Cassandra did in fact hit the button ending the cycle, killing the Red Forest, making everyone's "happily ever now" real. So the only solution is Cole won, all his travels were erased except the last one and he was spit out the end like they explain. However this creates another question. Since Cole was the only one born as a result of the time travel circle and was the son of Hanna who now never went back in time and never hooked up with his father how could he exist in any reality including the Red Forest? That circle was broken so he was the only one who could never have been born in either reality. Does this mean Cole was an extreme case of immaculate conception with no mother and no father making him the biblical son of god who died and was reborn so all of us to live? I'm not religious but have to make the connection with all theories and ask what this makes him?!? Cheers!

brilliant series.the only thing i would say they may of changed storywise is when cole was close to the skeleton that originated the virus i thought he was the skeleton due to him looking like he was going to paradox when near it and jennifer speaking about its eyes.i think that was how it was meant to go down but got changed in the writing somewhere

Just finished today. WOW!!!!! Hannah is Cole's mother WHAT A TWIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMAZING! Remember how when anyone came into contact with another version of themselves they would spark and then paradox? We saw that with Jennifer and Jones but that did not happen with Cole. Because unlike every other person alive, Cole is the only person born out of time. For example, we can trade your family back 60 generations. We cannot do that with Cole..because he saved his own mother, which allowed him to be born. MIND-BLOWING. S02E08 Lullaby was absolutely my favorite episode and likely the most important episode of the entire series, in terms of clues. That was the episode where James and Cassie are stuck in the time loop and they are slowly dying each time they fail to solve the puzzle. The groundhog day episode is where the show actually begins, because that is the episode where Hannah is saved. Hannah is saved by Cassie but no one else knows that Cassie then gives baby Hannah to Jennifer to raise her as one of the daughters fast forward Jennifer presents Hannah to Jones later Jones sends Hannah back in time and has her sit around for two years Hannah finds Emma. Hannah and Emma flee. They run into Matthew Cole Emma dies. Hannah "falls in love" and James is born Hannah bails on her baby daddy Matthew raises James alone Matthew is murdered by Tall Man in 2015 James goes to an orphanage and meets Ramsey -- 2018 plague occurs -- In 2020 Hannah dies at Spearhead from untreated meningitis Jones continues Splinter research to create time travel (to save Hannah) Elliot bails on Jones after she is unable to cope with the loss of her daughter Over the next twelve years, all test subjects die using the machine Cole and Ramsey break from West VII and eventually make their way into Raritan Cole is selected as a test subject For unknown reasons, he is the first successful test subject --Fast forward-- James and Cassie enter an unknown loop (S02E08 AMAZING), Hannah is saved by Cassie but no one else knows that #REPEATALL That is the loop that broke time. James Cole is the only person (I am ignoring Ethan) born outside of time. To me this means all of the events of the show are happening on a different branch of time that is unsustainable, so time is breaking down, hence the destruction of everything. The only way to end this PARADOX is to erase it from existence Amazing show ending! Lots of info here - 12-monkeys.fandom.com/wiki/12_Monkeys_TV_Series_Wiki

just finished it today. absolutely brilliant. fav show ever

I'm pretty sure the happy-ending scenes took place in their respective time periods. So, Jones, Deacon, Ramse, etc were shown in 2043, and Cassie and young Jennifer were in 2013. That is why I think Jennifer was old in the scene with Deacon. There was only one of her seen in 2013 and 2043. But, I could be wrong.

just saw the ending(i know im late) and i always thought thats its a good show but its the ending which makes it amazing with everything coming full circle. unlike game of thrones which was amazing (almost perfect) and then got worse and the finale was so bad that the show is irrelevant now. 12 monkeys managed to finish in a great way and that is quite unique in tv shows (or even movies these days...)

Bro ur theory makes the most sense about the multiverse

hello and greetings mr video maker, your video has inspired me to go back and re-watch the whole series starting from the very first episode. i know i commented already 4 months ago and again a week ago. But after i am done watching the entire all the episodes again for a second time, would you like me to come back here and comment again about it all, and re-watch this video again?

The ending scenes aren't all meant to be 2013, and it wouldn't make sense to assume that they are.

I agree this is one of the best TV series I've ever watched thank God they didn't try to keep it going like has been done with other shows like The walking Dead where it just kills the show. This was genius writing you have to literally sit back and think about it for a minute before you can understand the ending or some of the scenes my favorite character is James Cole and Jennifer goines. With the extra special touch a future James Cole and a future Jennifer goines

I just finished binging the series for the dozenth time, and the part with Athan is pre-erasure. Because once Cole was erased, there was no plague or need for project Splinter, which is where he was meeting Jones; when she first got there after leaving Spearhead after Hannah dies. Its just a flashback of that timeline. Otherwise, we could say the whole show is proof he didn't get erased, because none of it would have happened it he had. I actually think that he showed up there just before he went to Titan (maybe he stole those guns from them), and lied to Jennifer about knowing what the symbols meant before he left her. He knew he couldn't just tell her, or he'd fuck up the timeline. Maybe he'd just been seeing fragments of the symbols, but something in the drawings Jennifer showed him he was finally able to understand. Then he went to Jones to give her that message, _then_ to Titan. Its the only point in his timeline I think he would have. Before that he wanted the Red Forest to happen, I dont think he would have been like "well, if he gets erased I wont exist and the Forest will never happen, buuut just in _case_ they win, I should really save my dad I had beans with for 5 minutes that once, and that time he didnt shoot me in the face was nice". I dont really see his motivation before they talked in the house. And after Titan he was...well, dead.

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I believe there are separate timelines involved. One where Cassie ends up sans Cole and the rest are happily ever after and another where somehow Cole still ends up being born and ends up with Cassie without any Plague at all, maybe Olivia's corpse never gets discovered and again everyone lives happily ever after . This would be what I would call a Causality Paradox: things happen all over again (since Cole exists, so does time travel therefore his existence is guaranteed by Hannah going back in time to birth him) but in an an alternate way. The other Olivia timeline exists as well, one in which that version of time flow is forever stuck in a different loop and the Red Forest is just another Causality Paradox. Did I make any sese ? ;)

Really great series, hopefully it will get another life in streaming, great writing, acting, and solid story all the way through. As for the ending Im choosing the Schrödinger's cat version, the cat is both dead and alive at the same time, Good review, thanks.

i have seen this series, it is a masterpiece idk why its underated

Thats an interesting idea. Im going to ponder that for a bit.

Nice video man! (coming from r/newtubers)

Jennifer Goins is easily my favorite crazy woman from any TV show or movie.

Oh geeeze... multiverse. The go to cop out answer. Hate the multiverse SYFY cheat. It would totally be against Cassies core character to not turn off Titan. She is possibly the most grounded character in the series. I’m glad they didnt actually show her stopping the machine at 3...2....1..STOP . Which is possibly one of the most trite cliches used in cinema today. This was poetic editorial. Beautifully executed, with a powerful message and imagery..

The only thing that bothers me with the show is in s4 how Jones comes up with "how to make time travel work", her future self comes from the future and tells her, she writes it down, gets drunk, forgets about the encounter and uses the notes she took, but this way being a loop, there isn't a point in time where she figures it out by herself

Missed hint regarding Deacon, he gives her the knife then says "I'll want this back some day", implying that she will give it back to him 'someday'. One thing I've realized about shows is that they don't just say or do things for no reason(most of the time). So subtle things like this can reveal future happenings in the show. Also Cassie states that they will need 'everyone' to pull it off. Well, everyone would include Deacon and since they already screwed with causality by bringing back Ramsay, it was simply a foregone conclusion that Deacon would make a reappearance. Side note, best Series finale ever.. Like seriously, the finale was better than most of the regular episodes and didn't leave any loose ends. Better than breaking bad finale really, since 'you don't see a body bag".

You sir have Fried my mind!

Yup one of the best series I have ever watched. And the final sesion was just Amazing!

Loved every second of this show

Great review. I disagree that they are in a multiverse of the Red Forest. I think 75% we had a happy ending but I like the bit of doubt, adds to the finale. Most of the events post Cassie-turning-off-the-console (or not) don't fit a Red Forest scenario. Deacon and Chicken walk away planning how they will collaborate to do all the stuff they have to do ... that can't happen in the Red Forest. Also when Cassie remembers Cole while sitting in the car she is so sad, and that sadness lasts a long time. Eventually, she buys the House of Cedar and Pine, but we never see her in it, and she just sits on the steps grieving. None of that feels like Red Forest material. But, as I said, I like the element of doubt. BTW, I regard this as one of the best SF tv series I've ever seen, and frankly (if I can be frank, cos you've got moxie and I like your tie) I can't think of any that beat it.

I just finished the show and I got to say it was one of the best shows I’ve ever ever seen. I’m trying to find a show to at least fill the void because it was so freaking good if anybody has any recommendations.

I kinda agree about the fact the ending is not what it looks like at all, even tho i don't fully agree with you, athan scene is a flashback so i don't believe about this alternate verse or whatever. I personally believe that What we see after that last splinter is a "reward" to Cole from time, kind of his red forest and i think it's pretty obvious, the whole moment cole sees white like he was in heaven/the last leaf / the fact Jennifer was here (or am i missing something about that fact being not normal?) . something in this show almost never changed before that, it wasn't shinny, the whole last part is too much like that and doesn't fit the show at all to me. Of course you choose the end you want but i think that this one fits the most the whole show: Cole was gonna save the world at a cost.

while i disagree, i like your video. I think one of the clues that it speaks to a sentient universe that did indeed owe cole one, was the transition from space that was clearly an eye blinking from the inside.

He was probably pissed off with being asked so many times that he just got sick of answering it and passed the buck with "what do you think?"

I am super late to the party, having only watched (binged!) the show over the past week and watched the ending late last night. But I think you're missing the clues that what we are shown in those ending segments are flash-forwards for the different characters, they're not all taking place in 2013 (you can tell this because Hannah is grown up, Ramse has his son, and a 2043 version of Jennifer is with Deacon and his brother. Yet, when Cole wakes up on the beach, he's met by a waiting young version of Jennifer Goines, which points to Cole's return being somewhere in the 2013-2016 or near-abouts time period. That said, I hadn't even considered a multi-verse potentiality, so with my immediate rewatch of the show I'm going to keep that in mind and see what little things I'm able to pick up on. Already in episode one are bits from season four, so I cannot wait to see what else can be found in the rest of the episodes.

Athan, I think he can be in that scene because that belongs to the current timeline, the one is still to be supposedly erased at the end with the final jump?

To me red forest wins... How did she know how to turn it off! That fast? How did she reprogram it to send him to a place and time she never knew? How is she the only one who actually remembers everything? And actually the house is in a place in the middle of the red forest. It feels like it'll be thermal autumn. Like too good to be true.

still the best show in the last 20 years, by far!

The show is solid and I love it. Your argument was solid but remember aethan visiting Jones was pre Cole wipe. Aethan just made sure that when they do win, Jones saves Cole.

Fantastic ending to a great series

I think the idea of the red forest doesn't make any sense, you can't exist with no time and expect that you could experience anything? doesn't make sense ! Plus at the end, the forest had multiple colors in the trees not just red ! Is however one, if not my favorite show ever !

The only thing I didnt understand is how the primaries got the ability to see visions........can somebody t3ll me

The right ending is the one you choose. Which says a lot about people in what ending you choose. Are you cynical or do you believe that love and teamwork actually works ? Do you think Cassie’s fear wins over her love that truly sets so truly exists ? The ending we choose says something about us and not about the show and I wanna believe that when we believe in something when we love and we work for it, we celebrate victories, one by one. I guess that’s how society evolved. Step by step, victory by victory and the belief that humans deserve a better life full or nows that mean something because it ends.

I watched all 4 seasons within a week and finished it today, i just love this show, it is so emotional and touching.

Dammit you just made me see if from another point of view !

Also how would she know what button to press to stop the machine with 5 seconds less. If the machine was shut down then wouldn't the earth still look destroyed? That whole reversing the erosion of the earth didn't make sense. I also believe that maybe they threw that red leaf tree to confuse people. There's lots of trees with leaves Like that. I believe time was seen as a sort of God and entity and did let Cole have that because remember that episode where they went to save hannah when she was a kid and they had to trick time? Time obviously had its own agenda plus Olivia went back to the beginning as the origin of the kalavirus so it makes sense time would let Cole be alive because they'd eventually find Olivia's skeleton. The plague would come back eventually. If it was the TRUE red forest Olivia would've had a happy ending for those few seconds she was alive because the red forest is all time until the beginning and the end. Like a sort of heaven.

😲😲😲 are you for reals? I never thought of this. Wow. 😲😨😨😨😱😱😱

wow just luved this show awesome

Now I am depressed... :( that's a really sad theory... I was really happy believing everything was okay.. Even though it was kind of weird that after turning of titan's machine everything got normal again in an instant.. There was a plot hole right there :(

What do you mean by "it would never do that" at 00:03:55? I have no idea what you mean at 00:04:25? It is a third person perspective. We see what happened before the ending, before erasing Cole, just like we see everything else what happened before that point. If Red Forest happened, then why would it happen in the way it happened?

There is no real need to be serious about any debate on a great 4 season series of an amazing story. Its a fictional story with some attempts of explaining factual ideas which they did well. They take a cheeky ending similar to inception which is neat and they extended it because movies have a limited amount of time. With good writers, come good stories that I am willing to support financially.

Best ending of any series, ever!

One of the greatest shows ever , shame that Athon character is not in this season , i guess he will be born again The question is when he does will he remember EVERYTHING (:

Man, your theory is brutally harsh. It completely warped my perception of how the ending was. I was hoping for a good ending, but I am not sure anymore.

One of the reasons why I don't like the red forest theory is, that what everyone was working towards would've been for nothing if it's actually this beautiful place that was promised by The Witness.

the Red Forest is the cause and the end of each and every timeline, Universe, Multiverse, no matter what. Infinity happens in just one moment, all else is an infinite small fraction of infinity.

one of the best tv series !

Matalas is crushing Picard Season 3 in my opinion and it's great to see the Monkeys cast make appearances.

Original film, the scientist in the future sent Cole back to guarantee the agenda is fulfilled which had already happened. We see her at the end, she’s young n states her name, it’s the same name of the older scientist. It did the time loop instead of multiverse theory.

Bro did virus ended in the last they reset the timeline by entering codes right and in new timeline virus did not occur but why did Cole has to be erased from timeline due to virus ?

1000% agreed

Yes 🙌🏾

4:47 we know what year, Jennifer is older and deacon has his bar. If the virus had hit, Jennifer would have been leader of the daughters and deacon the leader of west 7. It’s 204?

DARK and 12 Monkeys are my top 2 favourite shows.

the happy ending with cassie and cole can only happen in the red forest scenario. it makes no sense that cole would manifest in the universe he never existed in. even when you stretch it, so jones could manipulate the code that way, cassie would never remember the alternate timeline. that said, this video has some errors. the athan scene happened in the old timeline, not the post cole deletion one, as well as cassies dead.

The older versions arent in 2013 though. Theyre all in the future like Hannah,Deacon,Ramse and Old Jennifer are in the future.

crazy the show is coming true now lol

No way man, you weren't paying attention...

Please after rewatching the series many times I keep asking myself the same plot hole question.. Its a spoiler so I write it a few lines down. I asked the writer in twitter and instag and didnt answer. Its kind of enough answer but I neeed to ask. Thanks for the video! The question: When Deacon's army come to the rescue, how does it travel to 2043? It is where Olivia find that they are, according to Part 1 of the finale after the red forest encounter with Jennifer. So in 2043 there is no "young" Deacon. How does old Jen finds the army in 2043? The machine had almost no energy, so no army-jumps. She had red leaves or injections for them? Dialogue error? Plot hole? I can take any excuse, like I love the series thanks! And liked the end, Deacon have his brother at least. He wanted Cassie but he can have another gf in the new world. Yes I think they 'saved the world' and became a new world. Missed an image of Olivia too, doing fine with her family in that world..

I think your analysis is interesting but heres my critique. Suppose there is a multiverse, so Athen would jump to another universe to fix their problem and then forget his own? I think that wouldnt really make much sense and require more science fleshing it out as its so theoretical. I think that kind of science would make this story much longer but would possible damper the sentiment of the series.

Best series ever

I'm confused. Love this show though.

Brilliant show loved every episode one of the best series after breaking bad

why cant swome one put this is amazon prime or hotstar? i dont think netflix will do it since it already has dark. i sincerely feel this show is better than dark.

No need to take it further than what the creator said... Thanks for the review.

They change the timeline that's the Red forest

the red forest couldn't have been in 2043 b/c that was the beginning. If it had started in 2043, where was it all this time in the original timeline?

Just finished it and theres something I dont get. Marion was supposed to not exist. Cole could not exist in order to time travel to save Hanna for her to become Marion.

I really didn't like the ending until they showed the red leaves which at least gave me an out of the sentimental overload that was the last two episodes. Personally, I wanted a scenario where Cassie was going to choose the red forest (they'd been setting it up), and because of that James had to erase himself from the timeline to stop her. The red forest winning is also a good ending though (that's what I choose to believe). Unfortunately, it's just a hint and the crappy surface ending is the one most people will take. For a show that had been so good with conflict and hard choices to kind of throw it away in the end for a avengers endgame type thing was disappointing. I don't think there's anything in the show to indicate multiple timelines; either the red forest happens or that ending is real ¯\_(ツ)_/¯