This show was CRIMINALLY underrated.

I dont understand why this show is not as popular as it should be, truly underrated and imo well in my impression and experience, equally as good as westworld, and even some elements are beyond better

I thought the show got better as it went on and highly disagree that it stopped making sense later. There were a few times when it violated its rules a bit, but these were only very minor occurrences. What it accomplished overall with its twists, was so satisfying in some cases, that it easily made up for it. I liked the film, but it was nowhere near as good as the series. Even if it was more consistent, it’s much easier for that to be the case with a film than a 40+ episode show. The show accomplished so much more overall and the film just felt like a starting off point.

looking back season 4 had a better ending and series finale than "Dark" hands down

This is the best show I've ever watched!Absolutely genius!

best part when hannah(marien woods) writes a letter to cole before dying and tell him that she's his mother

The reason the future versions had to self destruct was that they were changing time. Them existing would make them an anomaly so they had to self-destruct.

I also disagree with your problems with the show, it seems to me that you just got confused and and lost all idea of what the show's concept of time travel was, threw up your hands and said "ok..this show has lost me, but I still like the characters so I'll keep going!". lol. Just like Dark the entire show is a series of loops..but what makes it different is that within each loop is events that are fixed. They cannot be changed. Cassie was always going to die in the CDC...she was always meant to touch the artifact and get the strand of white in her hair. But within that is room where things can and will change. Within the show, it's shown time to be this force where, if something goes wrong..a character goes off a predestined path..where events are meant to happen, time will find a way of course correcting. For example: in one loop Ramse as Ethan Seki died in 2015, Cole went into obscurity, Cassie died in the CDC in 2017 and old Jennifer didn't take her daughters to titan...but because Ramse was alive, Cole saved him which caused them to destroy a virus strand in 2016 leading the virus breaking out a year later and Cassie also dying a year later. His interference caused everyone to take the fight to Titan and leading to their deaths..which Cole averted because of Lillian, a primary who like you said, came out of nowhere..because he was going off course..and the show has said again and again that Primaries "ARE time". So no..there was never a timeline where Athan was the witness or where Olivia wasn't The Witness..she always was..those are fixed events.

still my favorite time travel show of all time

Every episode starting from the Pilot was excellent! I have just binge-watched season 4 and it is also brilliant.

I think the show managed to maintain the suspension of disbelief pretty good and what I mean is that time travel is so confusing, and very few movies or series make any sense if you think about them, and I'm sure that if I nitpick the series I'll find some flaws, but it kept you watching and making you understand what's happening in a very believable way. Indeed criminally underrated, and Emily Hampshire's performance was amazing throughout the show

I believe the guardians had to self destruct so they wouldn’t create any offshoots to the timeline. It would make their changes permanent and screw up Cole n Gang’s plans

The reason the guardians destroyed themselves is because that changed time. We saw that when Cole heard the baby crying then was sent back. When the heroes went back, they were merely fulfilling what had already happened and kept causality in tact. I can't think of a moment where a hero went back in time and the experiences were different than what had already taken place. Where as finding the baby witness etc didn't happen at all when a guardian destroyed herself after giving the warning.

I really enjoyed the show, and of course your review too.

Thanks for the review.

Just finished Season 4....Amazing!!

I only finished season 4 last night and I already miss the show. The funny thing is though I know absolutely no one who watches it. Actually scratch that, no one seems to know this show actually exists. It's criminally underrated and under-watched, and that's such a pity. I've watched all the big shows (and many littler ones) and maybe Ashes to Ashes, Breaking Bad, Six Feet Under and The Sopranos (yep) have finales as satisfying as 12 Monkeys' finale. It had everything I wanted from it, it was funny, moving, logically wrapped up all it's wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey plot strands and also (spoiler) managed to have a happy ending that a lesser show would not have earned. I think I would have been a little pissed off if another show had tried to pull off what they do in the final moments. I would have seen it as maudlin, overly-sentimental, and pandering to it's fan base, but I was never so happy to see a character come back from the dead (non-existence) because, as I said above, the show (and James and Cassie) really earned it. I tend to hold dear (and pretty close to my chest) shows/books/movies that I love that no one else knows, like my little personal secret, but with this show I'm ready to tell the world about. It was well worth the journey to get where we did and I look forward to watching it all again maybe in a year or so. Top stuff. Now go do the show a favour and tell everyone about it.

The show essentially depicts the scientific rationale behind fate or destiny in that they must carry out the loop as it has happened already so that they continue to exist as they do, I think it's the same as dark in that there is always a version of themselves ahead and a version behind, there is just so many interactions with multiple points of each persons timeline you can find yourself believing it's the first time it's happened but chances are a character that had already spoke to other characters from the future, just meant that the character it happened to always knew they were going to eventually go back and have that same interaction with their past self but chose to obscure it from others in their own timeline to preserve causality so that the events played out the right way. Essentially deacons story arc. I think the show was exceptional at explaining this. However the happy ending, which was obviously just to give the fans a non bittersweet glimpse of the heroes winning, is all a lie. Think of everything happening in 2013, everyone alive, brothers deacon bar where Jennifer drinks, her genetically engineering a unicorn as CEO of markridge even though Leland would have never been shot so wouldn't he still be CEO, Cole being alive and him and Cassie together in the house, no plague, all the Jones family with Hannah fully grown up with Katarina and Elliot not looking much older, Ramse meeting Sams mother and the chances of him ever existing anyway. It's too good to be true, time didn't just owe Cole one, it's the red forest, I think Cassie didn't stop the paradox at titan, the world turning blue wasn't it being reversed but actually someone's perfect world and moment being created. The moment being 2013 with different moments from time happening all at once. The show has a way of throwing us red herrings and I think that's one of them. Happily forever after. May just be my opinion but as they say, "the right ending, is the one you choose".

Sal's cameo was the best! He was hilarious

its just like the Terminator, Skynet creates itself in the bootstrap paradox

So, I am not much of a tv viewer. I pretty much just explore via youtube or previews on a DVD. That being said, my three favorite series are Heroes (Reborn= ehh), 12 Monkeys , and Mr. Robot. They have their similarities & differences. Any suggestions?

What happened to the timeline 2047 when Cole gets in the time machine

IT WAS AMAZING! WHAT A SERIES! Sorry so amazing I'm yelling 😅

I wont watch this video yet but because o want to know does the show tie into the movie ?

You look like Robb Stark. Thanks for that great explanation though. 10/10

I believe the term for someone or something going back in time to stop something but ends up actually being thr cause of it is called the Grandfather Paradox.

Best series love much

For 'me' the whole idea towards the end was that time wasnt to be bothered with and the whole goal of the primary's was to end the cycle. Doing so travel would have never been possible if James Cole would have never existed. His existence was the cause of time travel, once completely erased from time. Cole survival was due to the one that was sent through the last portal was the last version of himself, so because his atom was thrown to somewhere in time and of his other existence never took place. His atom was not erased but his life was not killed because his final jump atom was still intact. For him to never have been born and since his life never existed gave him a type of "individual" atom if i could say. So his life was sent to the new reality where none of the whole story took place. So the whole mission was to save james cole. Crazy but an amazing show. Which because james survived gave jennifer somehow the power of the primary where she still knew of all the events that took place. The show was just outstanding, a bit confusing but the show was extraordinary

You're forgetting about different timeliness / parallel universes. If someone meets an older version of themselves and then later travels back in time to meet themselves then lives their life and dies. They don't repeat that. That's the end of their life.

I wish the ending episode was a choose your own adventure special like Black Mirror's Bandersnatch. A part of me wanted to see a world without Cole. I also wanted to see the red forest. But I also wanted to see other realities. It would have been nice to have an option to actually choose a few possibilities of our own.

Did red forest happen how cole ended in 2013 and did plague happened plz explain 😵

It was awesome. Great ending . Im still crying

One thing that made no sense to me was that Cole and Cassie were in 1957 for basically a year. Then when they splintered back after undoing the paradox, Ramse and co still hadn't got to Titan yet. We know that Cole and co didn't time travel to go save them they just travelled in space so are they really trying to tell us that Ramse, Jennifer and the daughters travelled on foot for a year? What also makes no sense is in this new timeline where the paradox never happened, surely Ramse wouldn't have had to have walked there. There would now be no reason why he couldn't have used the machine as there was no fight to go stop the paradox as it now never happened. So when Cole and Cassie returned it should've been to a timeline where Ramse and the rest died a year ago after having splintered to Titan.

Triangle is an awesome time-loop movie.

Theres a series???? I had no idea

The only way A lot of this can be explained is that for everytime someone manipulated time travel by travelling they created a different reality its just that all the realities were identical with the exceptions being the ones time travellers created.

I've been watching the show from the beginning. Yet I wasn't particularly looking forward to this season. I had kind of even forgotten about the show. I really didn't even remember much of what happened last season. Yet this whole season was nothing short of spectacular. Almost every episode was brilliant. And I don't think I'm overstating it when I say that the series finale was perhaps the best series finale I've ever seen. I really do think it was that good. Great video by the way. It actually helped me understand some things that I even found confusing now.

I could write a long paragraph explaining my thoughts but that would take too long.

just got done with it. i am going to chase this high for a long time... i know it

Can someone tell me how the primaries got the vision Powers.....

Still don't understand how two of the James Coles were able to touch each other without it a creating a paradox at the beginning/end of season 4.

I think the self destruct thing was meant as a means to erase a version of someone who came back to change the timeline. The s3 the woman who makes sure cassie is safe, the version of her that goes back to warn them shouldnt have been able to come back and warn herself. She goes through time as if she was never warned to go back and warn herself. Causing her old self to not have existed to come back. I feel the self destruct was the scape goat. When the main gang travel they are careful in their words to help keep causality intact. The messengers who travel back to themselves to change time dont do that.

When Cole went to2013 it was the same timeline 2047 or he was in multiversd

when i first tried to watch this it was when it was first started and tried to watch the 1st episode and fell asleep thru it.i thought it was due to it being rubbish that was the reason i fell asleep.a year later i could not find nothing on so i gave it another go and was hooked from start to finish.since then i have watched the series 2 more time all seasons and seem to see different things and plots i didnt see the first time around.its well wrote and the plots are crazy from cassie saving the young girls life and ending up becoming coles mother!.the only thing i would say they may of changed storywise is when cole was close to the skeleton that originated the virus i thought he was the skeleton due to him looking like he was going to paradox when near it.i think that was how it was meant to go down but got changed in the writing somewhere

Can u tell me how the plague will be stopped by erasing cole from timeline ?

They did a show? Based on movie?

Why Cassie realesed virus in 2015

For the 12 monkeys (1996 film) The time travel logic seems not make sense in the scripts.... As Cole was killed at Airport in 1996, how can Cole survive in year 2035 and being sent back from 2035 to 1990 and 1996 respectively? Anyway I like the "revise concept" about all future actions fixing the history.

And what happened to the orginal timeline ?

"The rules of time travel" What rules? I don't think anyone has met one.

James Cole is what came first. The primaries are VERY clear, and the ending of the series confirms this. The source of all causality in the series IS James Cole, and erasing him from time causes the army of the 12 monkeys, the Witness, and even time travel itself not to exist. Furthermore, there is a direct time loop in the series, when the older James Cole uses that time travel vest to save the younger version of himself from trying to get Cassie out of Titan after giving birth to Athan. So yeah... I think you could have structured your argument better. Oh, just because we don't SEE the youngest Jennifer Goines have that conversation as her older self, and we don't see the main Jennifer Goines get older and have that conversation with herself when she dies does NOT mean it doesn't happen. It does. In fact, again, in the season finale, when they send everyone back, Jones specifically says that they have to send everyone back 'to preserve what little of causality that we can'. The only exception is after they push the plague back a couple years at the end of Season 1, reason being that Jones has to 'investigate our own investigation'. This means that the conversation SHE has with her younger self IS a conversation with a different version of herself, but this is the only example of this argument that is valid.

Take a breather in between... lol

is it connected with the movie 12 monkeys ?

GOOD VIDEO! i just finished watching the entirety of all the 12 monkeys series's for the second time. as for the red forrest creating a persons perfect moment, there are 2 things that are supposed to happen, firstly its supposed to do exactly what it says on the tin (Forrest becomes red) and what we've seen happen in the series when the paradoxes and time travel stuff is effecting time (turning plants and stuff to red), and the other thing its supposed to do is create the persons perfect moment to re-live over and over again WITHOUT time being a concept, meaning no days going by again and again or doing work then coming home etc. Cassies perfect moment would'nt involve desperately waiting around for cole in the ceder house and being rejected by the emerson hotel staff. Also the mistake she made was using cole's real name when asking for him there, we see when cole first finds out about the emmerson and rents out a room alongside jenny with him (who claims it was'nt HIS first time there, even though it was himself's current self's first time there) the name they give is morris morrison, or something fake and goofy lol, i know for sure it was'nt his real name. he ends up getting a room next door in like 609 i believe because 607 is being watched at the time. Also the clerk told cassie they stopped selling out rooms as a perminant residence since the 1940's, but did'nt cole buy the room sometime in the 1930s? probebly 1944 if i'm not mistaken i did at first kind of believe that cole was dead or having his red forrest moment when waking up washed up on the shore, it felt too good to be true lol. i think all timelines are continually running at the same time, it feels like nothing got erased but rather prevented instead. But then... how did cole appear washed up on the shore if his past was in the future as a scavenger with ramsees? ramsees was also a scavenger at the time so him being in the past with a child already born makes no sense, unless their former selves (cole in kid form left at the orphanage place WITH kid ramsees) also exist in the same timeline. This can cause a paradox intentionally if they ever decided to come in contact with eachother. This part we know is speculation. BUT we do know old jenny in the bar with deacon exists in the same timeline as young jenny on tv, meaning they can come in contact with eachother and cause a paradox. At the end everyone appears to be living a happy life, but the red forrest only gives a person a perfect moment in their own head, or a persons own perfect moment rather than everyone having their own perfect moment at the same time and be able to interact with eachother. IF the red forrest did happen, then we woulda seen the doc from back to the future (the tall man's dad/botonists dad) having his perfect moment playing that kids game toy things with his wife, AND the tall man spending time with his dad, as moments before he seen his dad get shot in the past by the hg wells detective guy the dad says to him "see you again when the forrest is red" or "see you later in the red forrest" or something before provoking his own death. Olivia's perfect moment was probebly the idea of being the withness, that being her goal and moment of perfectness that she was hoping to achieve as her main goal, having her body blasted from 2043 all the way back to year 800 or 900 and something probebly her death moments after such a long jump in time had caused her spirit spirit to become timeless,and thus the withness in spirit, but a dead virus body in the flesh. or maybe not, that last part about olivia i just pulled outta my asss last minute, but it could be something. a small bit of speculation i wonder about. Everything is put in place to happen again, back to where it was origenally, except for cole and ramsees and future jenny

Tbh in general i liked this show more than GOT.

I knew it. You trashed 12 Monkeys and praised Dark for having a consistent plot and I thought "just you wait, Dark is going in the same direction", and it happened and Dark ended almost exactly the same way as 12 Monkeys. If anything Dark eventually became even more confusing in it's rules.

All i know is that the movie deserves a sequel, the movie has unfinished business!!!!

Thank you for the objective criticism. I'm so tired of people buying into everything fed to them by the show and abandoning reason and critical judgment. It was a good series and I'm glad to have watched it, but it's not in the pantheon where the movie is.

i think you misunderstood the show.

I stopped watching in season 2 and honestly already thought it has gotten unnecessary over complicated and repetitive and lost intereste. 1 strong season (mini series) would made it perfect to watch.

You clearly did not understand anything at all from this show

What you've explained is the reason why no one watches the show. it's so batshit confusing. It makes no sense.

The series was awesome as compared to the ASS clown circus that the movie was.