I stayed with them in 2010 as a WWOOFer, and I never thought they would have authorized something like filming them and publishing the video on KZfaq!

The twelve tribes community is a beautiful place. I only lived there for a year and i plan on returning in the next couple days but anyone who slanders the name of the tribes is wrong. Liars. I am not biased either, not brainwashed. We simply try to live the life that the first believers did some thousands of years ago. Apart from these videos.. we share meals together, we work HARD ( but its good for the soul ) we are commanded int eh scriptures to work 6 days and rest on the sabbath.. the sabbath consist of going on walks, sleeping, spending time with family, playing music, festivities, eating.. well everyhting apart from that is beautiful.. we praise our father twice a day morning and evening.. we lift our hands in prayers... we taLK about real life and how to get over and put our enemies (demons) under our feet and we confront them head on unlike most of the world who put them aside. the children are not beat they are very happy. they are diciplined with a flimsy thin wooden rod no larger than two full pencils.. The children after getting corrected or diciplined are almost immediately forgetful of it and go back to living a normal kid life being happy. the children here in the communities actyually have it better they grow up without being stained by the opreverse generation and technology that todays society is indulged in and they grow up with numerous other children and families to help and support them gorwing up.. The men and women are THE NICEST peiople you will ever meet in your lifetime. I say that with an unbiased and very serious heart. This life is not for everyone but if you can live it and want to, it will be the most rewarding and beautiful form of exasistence you will ever experience. - Randel Show less REPLY

:) I miss you all my friends. keep well. shannon

Child Discipline “When there is a stubborn child you should shorten the child’s life?” Whether is a stubborn child you should shorten the child’s life. It limits the family. - Training up our children in the way they should go Yesterday I was down at the river and Yochanan (Haggai’s son) was swimming and I saw that he had stripes on his bottom. I thought that if there were other people there and they saw those marks, they would know that he has a father who loves his him. - Breaking of Bread 7/15/89 From the cradle to the grave you must discipline your children. From the age of 6 months you would start disciplining them with a rod on the palm of their hands and then you would stop when they are about one year old. From there you would discipline the children with a rod on their buttocks until they submit ….. Elbert Spriggs (Yoneq) Our children need to fear the rod. The severity of our discipline should cause them to never want to be disciplined again. Don’t be afraid of your “baby.” That he is going to be more than you can handle if you confront his bad attitudes or deal with his disobedience. For we have no other purpose than to deal with our children… So, take action and “beat the tar out of him.” - Letter from Abel 4/6/85 The method needs to be controlled, slow and hard. He should never want another wippen (sic) as long as he lives. Elders Meeting 2/11/78 Reproof gives wisdom to the child. Submission comes only through reverent submission (fear) of the Lord. Execute judgment and draw blood. - Elders Meeting 2/11/78 A six month old baby can be trained what no means. Lightly use the rod and your hand. When the baby is wiggling when their diaper is changed, spank them to stop wiggling. - Apostolic Workers Meeting 3/16/88 A man who beats his son frequently will reap the benefits. He will be proud of him among his acquaintances. - Letter from Abel 4/6/85 Bend his neck and bruise his ribs while he is young. Allow him no independence in childhood, or he will hurt you very deeply. Be strict with your son and persevere if not then you will nurture his insolence. - Letter from Abel 4/6/85

On that sunday long ago in Tennessee, had Elbert Eugene Spriggs only taken a deep breath and counted to ten, then phoned up his minister and asked if he could watch the Superbowl with him, maybe Spriggs would have learned the meaning of fellowship. Instead he got angry and made a decision, in anger, to start his own religion. So you see gentle readers, Twelve Tribes religious cult, friend to pedophiles and child beaters, was born out of anger, an angry emotional reaction and we can only conclude that any so called spiritual movement born out of anger, is a miscreant religion, and carries no spiritual or divine authority. Spriggs acted out of spite and fury because his minister decided to watch a football game instead of a sermon. That is how Twelve Tribes was born, out of the anger of a disgruntled man child with a very small mind and an axe to grind. Twelve Tribes is a false religion and as such is doomed to self destruction. In fact it is already decaying and rotting from the inside. Members are leaving in droves, especially the younger folk, who have had enough of the control freak elders and the child abuse requirements, in fact many of these young members were born into the cult and have had the sense and intelligence to know that the life of abuse they lived is not the norm by any means in any society.

Do you have a community in Michigan?

I was there for 3 years. So glad I'm out.

I grew up here as did my parents. We left in 2009. Good people, horrible ideology

How do you become a fake church to avoid paying taxes? Asking for myself.

That's so unfair, being far away from people of heart, love, and peace.. ;) I ll report this to God to make me meet all of you asap 12 Tribes, brothers & sisters.. :p Word speaks empty, heart speaks love.. Love one another..

I got into some trouble and was afraid to tell. I told one of the other youth and told her not to tell. She saved my life and told on me. - Youth Confessions 6/26/94 You’re to tell on your husband, tell on your brothers and sisters. That’s love. To not do this is hate and then you’re a murderer because you are robbing them of life. - Seeking First His Kingdom/Washings/The Narrow Road, 4/1/94 If you see brother or sister doing something that is not right and you spare them and don’t say anything even though you know they are lifting up their soul to idols then you become guilty. Ezek. 3:18-21 His blood is on your hands. We must blow the trumpet. - Diligence/ Expose the Deeds of Darkness There is no underground in the Edah. It can’t even be tolerated in your own family with your own (husband or wife). Somehow our children grew up in the underground. Love your brothers and sisters and tell on them. Then you won’t be deceived and they will live because they heeded your warning. - Diligence/Expose the Deeds of Darkness 3/30/94 If we’re not diligent, we’re not secure. We have people around who don’t love us enough to blow the whistle on us. - Diligence/Expose the Deeds of Darkness 3/30/94 We have to be cleansed from our dullness and never allow a brother to drift off. Don’t be afraid to tell on a brother. Am I my brother’s keeper? Or am I a murderer? - Diligence/Expose the Deeds of Darkness Tell on one another - get help for people - don’t pass by one another - be a good Samaritan. - Seeking First His Kingdom - No “Underground” 4/14/94

Is this like a Jewish tribe ?

A letter from the Apostle Shaul to the Disciples in the Twelve Tribes Communities... 1Shaul, an apostle-sent not from men nor by a man, but by Yahshua Ha' Mashiach and God the Father, who raised him from the dead- and all the brothers and sisters with me, To the churches in the Twelve Tribes Communities: 3Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Messiah Yahshua, who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. No Other Gospel 6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Messiah and are turning to a different gospel- 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Messiah. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse! 10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Messiah. Shaul Called by God 11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Yahshua Ha' Mashiach. 13 For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. 14 I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. 15 But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by his grace, was pleased 16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, my immediate response was not to consult any human being. 17 I did not go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went into Arabia. Later I returned to Damascus. 18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas and stayed with him fifteen days. 19 I saw none of the other apostles-only James, the Lord’s brother. 20 I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie. 21 Then I went to Syria and Cilicia. 22 I was personally unknown to the churches of Judea that are in Christ. 23 They only heard the report: “The man who formerly persecuted us is now preaching the faith he once tried to destroy.” 24 And they praised God because of me. Paul Accepted by the Apostles 2Then after fourteen years, I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also. I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain. Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek. This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Yahshua Ha' Mashiach and to make us slaves. We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you. 6As for those who were held in high esteem-whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism-they added nothing to my message. 7On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised,just as Peter had been to the circumcised. 8 For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles. 9James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised. 10 All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do all along. Paul Opposes Cephas 11 When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group (natural seed). 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. 14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? 15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Yahshua Ha' Mashiach. So we, too, have put our faith in Yahshua Ha' Mashiach that we may be justified by faith in Messiah and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified. 17“But if, in seeking to be justified in Messiah, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Messiah promotes sin? Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker. 19“For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Messiah and I no longer live, but Messiah lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Messiah died for nothing!” Faith or Works of the Law 3You foolish disciples of the Twelve Tribes! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Yahshua Ha' Mashiach was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Have you experienced so much in vain-if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. (natural or spiritual) 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. 10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”(living by the LAW) 13 Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Yahshua Ha' Mashiach, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Omer now one should want to live with them warning if you have a nice life with a wife and kids DO NOT COME HERE

Bizarre In the next age, the apostle will rule over Israel restored to the land of promise, Gen. 15:18. They will sit on thrones judging these 12 tribes. Before that age comes, Israel today must not live like the gentiles , doing what the gentiles do their cows, chickens, goats and children. Nor should they eat anything that comes along. Some gentiles raise chickens in tiny pens and pump them full of things that make them grow to the size you can eat them in 14 weeks instead of the normal 6 months. Then people eat them and all the diseases of the nations come upon them. Paul told the Ephesians not to live like the nations in the futility of their minds. We know that God’s holy law will be fulfilled if we live by the power of the Spirit, in obedience to the commandments of YAHSHUA and the commandments of our God. Thus we will be that distinct people. - More on the First and Second Death Our emblem is (Rev. 12:1) a pregnant woman clothed with the sun and with the moon under her feet. The moon has always been known for its great effect upon the EMOTIONS of men. It is very true that the moon in its different phases has a dramatic effect on man’s behavior…. The tides of the earth, the growth of plants and trees, the birth of babies, etc., are all greatly effected by these pressures of the moon and stars. As men observed this, they were even able to chart men’s behavior in horoscopes by watching how people’s actions changed at different times. Women, who are “weaker vessels,” are more influenced by their emotions, are the ones who are chosen to be pictured in this sign who is effected by the moon or who must put the moon under her feet. But when woman does it (especially in a pregnant condition which is well known to be the time when a woman is the most emotional), men will also find the grace to rule over their feelings. These will be the violent people who take the kingdom. - Burnt Offering, Sus Giving our life as a living sacrifice, laying down our life, will bring about the end of Satan’s tyranny and dominion on this earth. Rom. 12:1-2; Gen. 1:26. We who live together for the cause of God on earth are the executioners of this fallen spiritual army, which has been the cause of the many woes of man for the past 6000 years. - Consequential Effect Apostasy is having doctrinal truth but not having faith! They hold an outward form of righteousness. They hold to their profession of Christian beliefs and go to church and “do good,” but inwardly they are vicious wolves. - Apostasy - Apostate Israel This is the time of the day we remember Him. Right at the end of the Sabbath and the beginning of the first day. When the sun goes down, the Sabbath ends and the first day begins. It is obvious that Christianity has the wrong person (who died on Friday and rose on Sunday). But the real, Savior spent three days and three nights in death (not one and a half). - Out of His Side All lawlessness comes under 3 heads: 1. Fornication 2. Avarice 3. Service of the belly - The 10th Commandment Do not just listen to the word and deceive yourself, but do what it says. We look in the mirror to see what is wrong with us, not to see how beautiful we are. If we see something hanging out our nose and don’t clean it, we will shame our Master’s name. We take care of what is wrong; we don’t walk away. - Desire Millet is one of the most wonderful foods you can eat. Millet has laetrile in it - it combats cancer. Birds love it. Some people say it’s for the birds. Birds aren’t dying of cancer - but men are. The whole world is under the power of the evil one - a deluding influence. So we can eat millet every day - like manna. If we have eggs from our own chickens we can eat it with eggs sometimes, but with the awful things they do to chicken to produce eggs, we don’t want to eat so many of them. We should drink enough water so that our urine is not yellow and smelly. This will save us great amounts of money and we will not have to flush the toilet so much. - Brazil When parental authority is rebelled against, it opens the door to come against all constituted authority. Honoring those who are over you, those who are honorable (especially parents) releases a special hormone from your brain, permeating your body, that gives long life. If you don’t do this that hormone dries up and your bones dry up. The disobedient don’t live long. The life span of a homosexual is about 40 years. This is not because of AIDS. They die of a bad conscience. - Desire Meat markets are deplorable; rotted meats, corrupted hamburger, (embalmed meats), sick cows already dead but kept alive by pumping them full of medicines. - Concerning Food There is no use praying for colds if you are not sleeping with your window open. It is a breeding place for all kinds of viruses, etc. You deserve colds and everything else if you do not do this. This is how you revitalize yourself, because your body gives off poisons as you rest and you need new air coming in. That’s why people who live outside all the time seldom get colds. You do not have to get crazy and open it all the way up on the coldest night. But use common sense. But it is always something we are doing wrong - coughing in people’s faces or something. If you can help it suppress your cough. The more you suppress it, the better it is. 75% of the time you do not have to cough. And drink your water too. Native Vermonters exposed their children to the cold weather a little bit, with common sense. We have been raised like sissies, so we get colds and sneezes. If you do not try to resist these things, they just come upon you. You cannot just receive these things, but resist it. The brain controls the body. - Breaking of Bread 11/25/89 They all called out on the name of the Son, YAHSHUA, who is powerful to save. It says in (Mt. 1:21) that Yahshua would come to save His people from their sins, so we are protected by using His name (Jn. 17:12). There is no name more powerful, and it is given to us as our protection from any evil. - Willing 11/13/92 I Peter 2:11-12 speaks of a day before the printing press and mass media - U.P.I, A.P; T.V. networks and telephones and modern communications, but God is still not hindered by any means. A miscommunication within the church, a failure to pick up a person on time is exploited and blown out of all proportion by the false witness of the day, the press and the media. - 5th Commandment All the nations are ever going to see of God is us. - The Trinity 7/94 This love is Ahavah and Agape love (they are the same). The word Agape rarely occurs in the Greek manuscripts - because they don’t have God. They can’t comprehend or relate to it. Only the Hebrew brings it out as a “raging fire.” - What it Means to be Justified by Faith 6/19/94

I am happy for you guys you got to spend some lovely times in Winnipeg, it's always good to meet people when travelling. Sorry to pop your bubble but as an ex-member of this group I have to point to the fact you are unwittingly providing free advertisement for what is a cult. Free lovely food, dancing, rejoicing, happy children's faces...they even let the guest play his instrument. They break their own rules, they'll work overtime, they'll overcome their rotten feelings and their tiredness...they'll do anything to make you feel at home and make you feel loved. To them it is a small price to pay in view of the goods in sight: a new member who will hand them out their money and possessions, all the years of their life until they either die or leave, produce much income, children for them brainwash once they've married you off to you lovely submissive wife they will provide for you. Oh boy...talking about conartists, these people have it down to fine art. The most pernicious of this is: most of them don't con you maliciously...they just think they love you and want to save your soul from eternal torment...

Real Yeshua Community We need to make Real Yeshua Community. Yeshua is with us and is concentrating His Energy, Attention, Magnetism and Spirit on our Endeavor to make His New Community Sprout on the Earth! It is always a mystery the way Yeshua wins our Hearts to Him, to focus all our attention, energy, resources and love on Him and His Way. This is a new energy in the earth right now, that we are inspired and our hearts are turned to Him, and we are in Hope and Awe of what He can do on the earth through us because we need His Head, and He needs our bodies, and minds, and hearts, and resources to be focused on Him and His goal for this to succeed. And He is at the door. Knocking and hoping we will open our hearts to Him. and open our lives to be the demonstration of His Play. Because we believe in Him. And long to walk in His Way and to know His Wisdom.