I’ve really only ever known logic. I haven’t got time to learn an entire daw again when logic does everything I need / want. Think of it like moving house. There may be better houses, but it’s nice where I live and I know where the toaster is. Wouldn’t be able to find it if I moved home again.

As an user of both daws i can say that all of this is true, but I want to say that you can create your own custom commands for Ableton too, but only on macOs. Logic kills all my creativity but I use Loopback to route Ableton into Logic and then use Logic as Master Channel 🤓

You can even create a custom folder to categorize your plug-ins, not just bring them into logic’s default/stock folders (Pro tip: title them with an “ _ “ at the beginning of the name so they show up at the top)

bro this video blowed my mind, switching to logic as soon as i have mi macbook

As a Logic user, it was great to see this perspective. Great video too. Liked & new sub ☺️👊🏾

You deserve way more subscribers! Thanks for the very detailed overview.

both are great try them and decide which one is better for you, you can also make one DAW as the main station and the other as a helper tool for some purposes, most of the pros do it

This a great post. I’m using logic. Love it

Both DAWS just keep getting better and better, excellent analysis, thanks

Idk a lot about ableton and I’m a logic user and i just wanted to say I learned so much from just this video and it’s crazy how a video about a comparison was actually so much educational thank you 🙏🏽❤

Great video - awesome 👏

idk for how long u havent used ableton but some of the features mentioned here are also implemented in ableton by now. for example the stereo pan is very much possible. also the quick automation / mapping to a knob. track lanes too. no track alternatives tho sadly. the plugin organizing is better now but still nothing compared to logic (or cubase). midi editing is missing a lot too sadly. i thought about switching to logic or using both, but the main reason why i ended up not doing it is the colour of the waveforms haha. i cant stand white waveforms it looks way to busy for my eyes. i didnt find a way to change them to black.

How do you get the third tool to show?

Originally I used Reaper, since I was only using a DAW for guitar practice to load some kind of basic drum sound (I believe I was using Sennheiser Drumica at the time) and some kind of amp sim, basically just enough that I had something to play along to. When I started making electronic music, I decided to spring for something a little more tailored to that, and since in all the tutorials I watched they were using Ableton, I went with Ableton. Retrospectively, Ableton feels like a childs toy, like Babys first DAW. I had similar stability issues with Ableton 11, and started shopping around. The decision came down to two choices. Bitwig, Abletons younger, sleeker, more attractive sister. Or Cubase, the closest I could get to Logic on Windows. I decided to go with Cubase since I do things outside of just Hard Dance, and recording guitars/instruments/vocals into Cubase was just a better experience, and seemed like a good middle ground between a DAW that is laser focused on the recording and mixing side of things like Pro Tools, and the Ableton/FL type DAWs which are laser focused on electronic music production. It's been a steep learning curve, but I've gotten better with Cubase as time goes on, learning different shortcuts and functions, I feel like I've barely scratched the surface on whats possible over the last 3 months, but I don't see myself stepping away anytime soon. Occasionally I might miss having FX Racks in Ableton, and maybe I felt a little FOMO seeing some of the cool kids making that generative ambient stuff in Bitwig, but I have a 3rd party VST that allows me to do either of those things in Cubase if I ever decide I really need some of those features (Though that's pretty rare)

07 is awesome! Ableton definitely needs that too.

What Mac you have? What specs ?

I am trying to decide on whether to get a Mac. But only if it’s worth learning about both. What are peoples options?

please make ableton video too

FL Studio has some of those reasons you like :D I'm impressed ableton don't have a easy workflow for those stuff

I am so glad to here that. Actually there are more advantages inside Logic than other DAWs. If you want to read the notation staff, it’s impossible in Ableton.

Hey since you're using logic I found a keybored(keybored with letters) with tons of key commands made just for logic. So you don't even have to set it up. 150$American but I do think they make a euro version.( Logickeyboard Designed for Logic Pro X Compatible with macOS - Astra 2 Backlit Keyboard # LKB-LOGXP2-A2M-US) Its definitely helps me. Great video by the way. Let me know your opinion

nice video but the background music makes it really hard to listen to you

I'm more creative in Ableton and even making Kicks and safe them in a folder its a thing i can't miss.. After i switch sometimes to Logic and start the project. Logic looks even better and the zomm shit its very comfortable. The plugins are unbelievable, with the stock distortion sound everything very hardcore 😃 Do you have the feeling that the sound is more clear in Logic, and even Kicks sounds sometimes more powerfull then in Ableton, maybe i'm wrong, i dont know..

This was exactly the video i was looking for, i miss all the things you mentioned when i moved from logic to ableton 10 years ago, im gonna take the leap, you're a funny fucker btw too, love thing's being explained at a good pace, no time for long intros and getting emotional about a f'king compressor. good skills keep it up...

awesome content!

Interessantes und sehr informatives Video. Logic Pro X ist für mich an sich auch eine sehr interessante DAW, da ich beim Stefan auch mal dran schnuppern konnte. Allerdings bin ich Windows User und Liebhaber und komme workflow-technisch nicht mal mit iOS klar :D FL hat ja zwar den schlechten Ruf, gerade weil es so viele Noobs benutzen und sich damit brüsten der größte Producer zu sein nachdem sie da was billiges hingeklatscht haben... :D trotzdem gibt es wohl immer noch keine Gründe für mich davon zu wechseln. Auch FL hat den Lifetime Free Update Service und mit den letzten Updates, gleichen die sich beim Workflow auch immer mehr an Logic an. Man hat das Gefühl dass sie sich viel davon abgucken. Deswegen bleib ich auch dabei: "über memes über FL oder wenn jemand Witze darüber macht, kann ich auch selber lachen" Aber ich weiß auch, dass es viele sehr gute/große Produzenten wie: Sprinky, Aalyx, Rooler, Sound Rush, Atmosfearz, Monkey Selektah, Maotai und viele mehr gibt, die damit ordentliche Produktionen raus hauen. Ich sage da immer gerne dazu: "wichtig ist nicht von welcher Marke das Werkzeug ist , sondern wie man damit umgeht!" Das gehör entscheidet! Man muss halt selber am besten damit klar kommen. :)

What a great video!! I started to use Ableton 2 years ago but before I always worked in Logic (From version 3). Before that Atari 1040 ST and therefore Akai MPC60 Ableton is absolutely great and fast. Specially with audio But last years Logic also improved that. But I miss so many function in midi in Ableton, like you mention in your video. For me Logic stays number 1 And the total overview in logic I find better Thanks fo sharing your thoughts Ruud Van Rijen Twenty 4 Seven

I do wanna know what you miss about Ableton

I like how you said it's better for you, very interesting, and no one can dispute that. I wished you would have touched on audio editing and manipulation, especially since using loops is now a part of most productions. I used Ableton Live but recently moved to Bitwig.

I use both based on my mood. I can also make you a list why Ableton is better than Logic Pro. Both really good daws.

I am a logic user it is a great video even though ableton as some really kool effect and plugins but for me when i open logic my creative vibes flow

..so true, regards

That watch is huge!

I have both, and for specific tasks one daw is better than the other one... simple. Learn both, use both.

in what ableton does it better then logic?

Im just sick and tired of Ableton constantly crashing. I went from Windows to Mac hoping it would resolve the issue, and it didnt. Email after email with Support, chasing 3rd party plugins and trying to figure out what's causing the issues is just a total nightmare. This has been going on for months. I spent $800 on Ableton and the thing is so unstable, I'm just about done with it - as much as I love it.

Can you make a Logic Pro x template Video Please 🙏

Colegue; with live Ableton Live... life is more easy! Those tutorial's reminds a f... informatic program set up!

I guess this DAW war is never gonna end

Logic Pro is indeed much better overall, albeit I must say that you get some cool effects in Ableton Live that you don’t get in other DAWs. I’m sticking to Logic Pro though!

It’s easy to forget Ableton “Live” pioneered the live looping concept and vertical track orientation, whereas Logic always maintained a traditional horizontal tracks orientation from the days of tape machines. Logic would compete with the studio leader Pro Tools. The audience for Ableton is musicians and creators, whereas the Pro Tools audience is studio engineers. Because Logic is object oriented with an extensive midi implementation, it’s audience is both! I use both Ableton and Logic, but it’s clear Logic is more powerful with broader capabilities, but people are passionate about the intuitive ease-of-use in Ableton, and similar DAWs like FL Studio. There’s no “one better than the other” debate, really. Just use whichever DAW suits your style - the one where you’re most productive 😁

Good video although I think you could have cursed more ..

Clip distortion is CLEARLY the superior DAW

The session view and easy automation mixed with the endless start and stopping points. Also mixed with LEGATO clips between session clips makes every other DAW useless. I love the inspiration of other DAW's but at the end of the day Ableton with Reason as vst is so powerful. Also....I am on a superior OS.... Windows.

I love Ableton but I wish their developers watch this video

Its all relative, and what you prefer and are used of. For example I hate the workflow of FL Studio, but other people swear by it. I love Bitwig because of it flexibilty and modulation options, but somebody else will hate it. One thing I really hate in Logic is the shitty audio editing and automation editing. I mean, you gotta select a curve tool just to bend it, other daws simply have it integrated or holding a button. Stock plugins are very nice btw.

Found your video searching for "Ableton sucks" - I am a Logic user. Ableton got a nice integration to my Keylab keyboards but I hate it. Clips' concept could be cool if you would be able to control them. Logic rulez!

If only they made logic for PC. The problem is you can get a pc for around 1500 for what you can get a 6,000 mac for. I ended up leaving the Mac universe because I needed a reliable work station for 3d, video, and music production + streaming and didn’t want to spend 6 grand for an i9 and 64 gig of ram. I do miss logic but I don’t miss slow computer speeds !

the bigest downside of Logic is the unability to prehear MIDI samples. I have all of the DAWs and I like the most 1. Cubase Pro 2. Logic Pro 3. Ableton 4. Bitwig 5. Reason... and yes I know, Reaper is one of the best in the field, but I don't like it 😅

Whoever designed Ableton needs to be fired. Is so damn ugly!!!Ableton Is my primary DAW but damn logic is so well designed and so beautiful ❤

Wow!.. I'm educated now.. Of course now I wish Ableton Live had all that shit. Only reason I stay with Ableton is for the Session shit. So what about the Session View shit? Did you use it when your were using Ableton? Does Logic have anything like the Session shit? Why didn't you mention the Session shit? Great video though, got down to the real (shit). Much appreciated. I also used to Use Reaper, but Reaper seems like a pain in the ass written by Linux freaks who love to have to fuck around all day just to get something to work compared to Logic. Logic is definitely some classy shit. Does it have a session view?

Why What ???!!???

I think 95% of electronic music creators rely on the element of luck .like reactive v proactive because it's extremely quick.good fun though I do it myself with ableton a bit of a roulette table but instead of black and red it's good or shit.

I've got both and I use Logic pretty much all the time. I find Ableton drabby-looking, sketchy, kind of unfinished-looking, and not very precisely drawn. Ableton has nicer samples though, for me. But that is a question of taste. The real estate is nicer and more conveniently arranged in Logic. But Ableton has better tutorials. I guess, it's a toss up.

I have found that Ableton Live suits me better than Logic Pro, and I have used Logic for most of 2022, until September. You can make an argument that Logic has some features that Ableton doesn't, and vice versa, but it really comes down to preference and needs.

Ableton is so ugly though. it reminds me of a Windows computer from 1998. there is nothing inspiring about that

Logic sounds way way better than ableton, but the clunkiness of workflow lets it down generally speaking imo.

I tried but Ableton is just easier and faster workflow.

Lol

reason to avoid logic is when you dont own a mac🙃

Logic Pro is messy. There, I said it.

I won't ever buy Apple products again so Logic is a no go for me.

It's not better. Used them both for years. It's feature rich and buggy since ever.

Ha ha 😂an abelton user will give you 100 reasons why abelton is better than logic. All Daws do thesame thing . Is good you master one or 2 and then use it to create at your own pace. This days there's no superior Daw all Daws are great and unique.

I’ve been using Logic for 3 years. And tbh don’t even bother with Logic. Studio One, Ableton and most other DAWs offer so much better workflow, capabilities and integration with important plugins like Melodyne. Apple doesn’t listen to the suggestions and complains, they just want to sell more iPhones.

Everything was so informative except for the annoying hardstyle music in the beginning..

Thanks for the comparison but your scream talking style is so stressful. I prefer the way you talked towards the end. No need to scream the whole time like it’s a freakin emergency.

The problem with Logic Pro is that it was made to work on Apple OS only which means you have to use Apple crappy gutless computers, worst to use for music production, over priced, slow, not enough ports, and pops and glitches if you try over 50 tracks - end of story - cheers!!!

One and only reason Ableton always will be better then logic Pro... Apple enough said