Hey Ethan - I loved the authenticity of this video along with all of the others I've seen on your channel. I recently made the switch to Ableton from Logic after being a Logic head for 6 years. It's been around 6 months since I've switched over, so I can say a few things. I guess I'll start with the synths... ES M is insanely simple and super slept on (imo) mono synth that is great for sub basses and acid sounds. It''s extremely intuitive and relatively easy to get some nice sound out of. Since switching to ableton I have yet to find a synth that is that simple and robust to create those sounds. ES2 has some good sounds as well, and you can basically do anything with it, but I would often opt for different, easier to use synths such as ES P or Retrosynth. Retrosynth is great for beginners and you can make some relatively complex sounds (as far as subtractive synthesis can stretch lol). E FM is garbage, I've never been able to use it effectively, same with ES E. Alchemy has some really complex presets and lots of customizability, but the system for modulation is not as great as other 3rd party synths like Serum or even Surge XT. It also annihilates your cpu, so that's fun

Such a great video! Just what I was looking for :)

Love your energy bro!!!

I started with Ableton and really enjoyed it. A project I was involved with was in Logic and I made the switch. It became very un-fun to spend time working on music as I was battling both moving from a PC to a Mac and from Ableton to Logic. That project recently ended and popped Ableton open and spent several hours making music. It is closer to the way my brain works and will be the go-forward. Both great pieces of software as you said but one is just easier for me to get my head around.

Thank you for this. Thoroughly enjoyed this.

Cmd + D in ableton is Cmd + R in logic!! I hope this helps for any future logic sessions

This is a great video thanks for posting!

Ive been using both for decades. They're both super easy to use. My favorite thing about ableton is that everything is drag and drop and the browser is the best in the business which makes it a great took to create a beat very quickly. logic is my go-to all-in-one DAW (recording, mixing, scoring, beatmaking). Pick what you like and what works for you There is no sound difference between any DAW. The workflow is what matters most for the end product. If youre frustrated or uninspired then the final product wont come out as good. If you're workflow is strong then youre product will "sound" better.

I really love this video, as it shows me what to expect when I do get logic. The reason for that being I am blind, and use a screenreader to navigate my devices. I have many blind friends who use logic and I’ve played around with it myself, and it is very screenreader friendly, and very easy to navigate. However i have not heard anyone say Ableton has the same accessibility as Logic, and i haven’t had a chance to test that. However seeing as I have gotten pretty used to Logic, I can say I love it, and can’t wait to get it on my own computer.

A quick way to Zoom in Logic is "Command and arrow keys." A quicker way to Duplicate is "Command R" in Logic.

at 8:11 What setting did you do to get the loop to warp and line up at the correct BPM?

duuude i love that video. i have subscribed. sending much support ❤

This is the best Ableton channel I have found on youtube so far. Thank you

Brilliant content, love your humour.

love your vids bro!

After having tried Logic Pro on the iPad, the insane drum sequencer is really tempting me from Ableton land.

Thank you Ethan!! You had me laughing the whole time. Loved the new song

Thank U!!! Gracias gracias gracias!!! You make me see the light at the end my tunel hahaha... well i'll continue studying ableton... seriously. Love from Buenos Aires :)

Awesome video , currently at this point in my mixing career. Question, what do you use to record your computer's audio in stereo?

Fun video! I appreciate that this video had all the snark I would expect from a Logic vs Ableton video but is ultimately playful and recognizes that both are great tools and the main difference between them is how well you know one versus the other! Subscribed! I started in Logic and switched to Ableton. At this point, I don’t know that one is really better than the other, but I’m a big fan of Ableton Push and that’s the main thing keeping me on Ableton. (FWIW, Apple has a similar thing in the Logic Remote app for iPad…it’s sort of the “Push” for Logic. And it works well - but for me a touch screen just doesn’t compare to the physical controls on the Push).

Bro 😎 you was killing with how to repeat and time stretch in Logic there’s many was to do the time stretching in Logic, like using Live Loops section in Logic or doing it with Flex Pitch

Hey Ethan! Thanks for your time and effort creating videos, I love them! I am an video editor and just getting started to get into music production and your videos are really helpful for me. :) After watching this video I was wondering if you would share your Abelton hot keys with us? I feel like watching your videos and being able to use the same hot keys as you would help aaaaaalot!

In this year I got Live 11 Suite after being Logic user since Emagic Logic 5 =) For me it like you went from yacht to helicopter piloting =) But, yeah, it’s really interesting to try something new and go from comfort zone

You are hilarious. This is the most fun ive had watching a video in a long time! (currently a logic user looking to switch to ableton, but watching WHY, may i shouldn't switch...)

I'm currently looking into which DAW I should dig deeper into. I'm glad I discovered your lovely videos and your warm manner. It will probably be Ableton, because it's also a gut feeling, 3 months trial is really good. I will probably watch your videos more often, and probably also the masterclass. Thank you and keep up the good work! ♥

logic x is amazing..after 10 years still love it!!! I started on ableton too but switched to logic and don't regret at all....

I used them both and like them both. Ultimately, I went with Logic. I miss the envelope follower in Ableton, though.

The way you see Logic is the way I see Ableton. All you need are the shortcuts. Logic is easy. Ableton is taking me time.

Kind going through the same thing right now. I first recording gig was back in the analog days, then about 2005 decided to checkout DAW world with Logic. Not long after I got into Logic I got a job in a ProTools shop and Logic was no more. Then I got our of recording again and now retired and decided to get back into recording for my own pleasure and decided to try something new and went with Ableton Live. So after about four months with Ableton I decided to start doing Logic Pro because I find something learning two similar things makes it easier. I'm like you Ableton is far more intuitive and the online help far better. I like to work a lot in the Piano Roll to edit drums time and feel and Ableton way easier. So for now I will keep getting up to speed on Logic as I go deeper into Ableton Live.

10 years for me too, since I knocked a glass of wine by guitar neck onto my Mac :) finally now I have Ultra, though playing Live still. Wanted to give Logic a nostalgic try. You did it for me the fun way :) ….. one reason I also institutionalized to Ableton it’s shortcuts and Push 2. Wish it can work same way for Logic or …. god forbid Luna …….. coolest DAWs name starts with L.. haha

Heyyy I actually did the opposite recently! Bought ableton after using logic for 10 years. I’ve used ableton before here and there but always felt like a bushman when I did (like how you may have felt when using logic) and that was mostly cause the shortkeys are different, and also behaviours are different… (like even play behaviour what..) But totally agree both are so powerful. I’m learning ableton mostly just for the switch of inspo. Would be interesting to see you do a video of tips and tricks for people switching to ableton!

I felt the same way I’m doing the reverse of you!!! I’m using AL for stage tho!!! They both play a useful role in my production!!!

10:56 Hey Ethan ! I would absolutely love to see a detailed explanation on how you made this beat/getting access to the session. It's absolutely fire ! Willing to pay for it ofc

Ableton looks like Microsoft Excel 😂😂😂😂😂 #LogicGang

That was interesting. I've tried many times to get into Ableton, but i find it completely unintuitive. But, i started a long time ago, when all sequencers had a more traditional 'tape'/linear layout. Mark of the Unicorn was my first sequencer/DAW. I moved to Logic afterward. Tried Reason, went back to Logic. Now, because so many 'dance' producers use Ableton, i keep trying to like it, but it never makes sense. The one thing i do like is having a full chain of effects visually represented at once, but then that's countered by that UI not looking like those individual plugins as they were designed. Ableton shows you a lot of stuff at once, but it's also showing you stuff you're not using. Re: colors and keyboard shortcuts, i'm pretty sure you can tailor Logic in similar ways. Learning shortcuts is the same for every DAW-either memorize the new thing or change the commands to match what you think they should be.

Lol I appreciate your authenticity in todays video. I relate haha.

You one funny guy! Seriously, I know how you feel about your first love (DAW). For me it was Master Tracks Pro in the 1980s on a Commodore Amiga (stop laughing!). I’ve been using Logic for nearly as long as it’s been around, and it’s pretty second nature to me, just as Abelton Live is for you. For “baby” music makers, the wonderful world of digital audio workstations is entering a new level of amazing! So, I’m a bit envious - but also really excited for you!

I feel the same way about Ableton. A buddy gave me a license and I just couldn’t get into it.

Is the john balaya song out in the meantime? Really sounds fire! 🔥

load the sample and set your loop using the yellow locators bar. then click Command \ to crop the sample.

Nice Bassline!

Set the mood, then click open! Lmao so relatable. I think a lot of us probably do some ritual right before we sesh to set the mood just right. Love ur content

I really love your video bg music it feels nostalgic

I have worked on almost every DAW and ableton live is the best for music production & Audio engineering

Loving your take - being a Logic freak ;)

Everything you show that you can do in ableton you can do in logic but I appreciate the authenticity

The things for me, is the details. The ins and outs. The opens and closed. The details that actually add swing and organic substance. It’s hard to actually change things in such small details to actually get that vibe and sound.

i switched from logic to ableton around 8 years ago and neverrrr looked back. Logic is great for recording and mixing bands and is a contender for Pro-Tools in that arena, but ableton is a producers daw and geared towards electronic production with creativity in mind and it's so sick if that's your flow. i love ableton, can't wait for 12!!

Only hesitation I have that’s keeping me from switching to ableton is that there’s no Flex Pitch. SUPER easy to add to backing vocals to tune a note or 2 instead of an overpowered Melodyne for every. Single. Track. I’d love to see how people edit and tune vocals quickly in ableton. Any advice or videos would be encouraging.

Very humorous comparison. 😎 Well I‘m just a hobby amateur musician who uses Logic and I think if you‘d worked with Logic all the time and now tried Ableton in the same manner it would be exact the same result, just the other way round: you‘d have said the absolute same of Logic as you said of Ableton. I’m absolutely sure about that. I hardly ever subscribed to a user of another DAW, not because another DAW is less good, but because I want to be taught in Logic! And I’ll never change to another DAW. Thanks for this funny but absolute professional video!

When I was in school for my first DAW class I had to pick a DAW that wasn’t ProTools or logic and then do a project on it. I chose able 10 because the guy that I ended up making dance music with while at school had already been using it, and now 12-13 years later I’m still use it. I don’t think I’ll ever switch. Lol.

I would add logic to my arsenal if there was a windows version available lol. I just got the desire to try something different recently so I tried band labs cakewalk but idk if there’s really any advantages to it, on the other hand it is nice to have a change of atmosphere so to speak.

what is that search app youre using when you want a sample or etc?

Low key banger!

It’s what you’re used to. I’ve tried Reason, Cubase, ProTools, Digital Performer and ended up on Logic because I’m a Mac user. I tried Abelton and it seems more oriented to loop based music, while I tend to think in a more old school linear way. Same with things like Push 2 doesn’t suit my workflow.

Ethan, I switched from Logic to Ableton this year. And I feel the same feelings about Ableton as you do about Logic in this video lol.

it was the same thing for me to switch to Ableton after a year in Logic. But pro like you catching up everything super fast. just another proof that if you know one DAW very good, you'll be alright eventually with any DAW.

dude that song in ableton was fire

Don't sleep on the value of session view. It's changed my creative workflow completely and the optimum workflow for teasing out ideas. I know for experienced producers it's hard to switch view but f you're new to DAWs i'd highly recommend you learn to use session view for creating and developing you musical ideas.

Whatever DAW you use is the best. Learn to use it properly , whatever it is, and you’ll make great stuff. I am a logic user and have been for 15 years. It just keeps getting better and better.

All the things you described in Albelton at the end you can do in logic as if not more easy , if you know ofcourse, further logic is a more powerful DAW as in it can do Kind of both pro tools and ableton , also it’s 200 bucks forever free updates ! Had to pay 500 more just to get take lanes something logic has had forever , I use both for different things but mainly use logic as it’s what I started on.

What is your equipment you use… headphones and microphone please. Great video man

If you going back to your beginner stage what would you chose to learn the ableton or logic

I’ve been abletoning since 2015 and love it but I’ve been a little bi curious myself about logic. Mainly because everyone who uses ableton seems to make electronic 4 on the floor music exclusively (except Tame Impala), but I make rock music (like tame impala/Beatles). So I feel like I should be using logic or protools but idk my bff Jill

I am loving ableton live

There is no planet in the universe where a person learning their first DAW would learn ableton more easily. No no no way!!

Also changing from Ableton to Logic - I don't know if I'm imagining it, but I think everything sounds better on Logic than on Ableton.

You took a kind of boring subject (Ableton → Logic switch) and made it fun, funny, informative and entertaining. Big thumbs up. 👍

I was holding Command + R for like half that video 🤣 Recently switched to Logic cause the metering and whole mixing through buses was giving me a lot of issues. I agree Live is so much faster for sound manipulation and the quality of Warp is unmatched pretty much any daw,

If you are buying the latest version of Logic then you won't be able to use the older more reliable macbooks from 2012 and 2015, both my personal faves. You'll need a newer mac with a newer OS. However, with ableton, you can use it with an older Mac OS so if you have a 2015 macbook then you are good to go with Ableton. I'm on an old pirate copy of logic from a few years ago that I cannot update. I want a new fresh copy of logic but it will require me dropping at least 1300 bucks for a used 16 inch M1 chip Macbook so I can get the newer OS. I am trying to decide if I wanna buy Ableton standard while it's on sale and see how it runs on my 2015 macbook pro with 16gb RAM or do I buy an M1 chIp macbook and get logic. The most expensive option would be M1 macbook plus ableton

Bought Logic now I'm stuck with it, but I do envy ableton

Do tech house mix master tutorials on Logic Pro x

You need to do this with mixcraft ❤

At the end of the day it's all about muscle memory. Hotkeys are everything for efficiency.

I feel like Ableton might be a little too much for what I need. I don't do anything live, and I usually end up using presets.

Oh my god, I'm gonna need a John Balaya song breakdown. Teach us how to Disclosure 🎶

@11:30 wow that's surprising. I actually never liked the visual aspect of Ableton. I was forced over, transitioning from Cubase, cause i needed a real live-performance environment. But: i find Ableton soooo incredibly ugly. Truly shows that it s just a matter of taste. But when it comes to in detail midi editing and a better handling of multi monitors, Cubase is much better. Visually, compared to Ableton, I like Bitwig much more. Seeing the content of clips!!! Waveforms, Midi notes! Awesome! Even the play-progress is visible in the clip view, while in Ableton it's only far below the clip. Buuut: Bitwig lacks a few Ableton things i would miss so i cant change yet. It's quite a journey with all the DAWs and VSTs, haha.

I miss ableton but their upgrades and costs pissed me off. Leaving and learning logic asap

i love you ethan! :)

Just curious. You _bought_ Logic just to try it while Apple offers you to try it for free?

lol you made me laugh so much. I can relate.

It took me up until the push 2 came out to really get into ableton.i thought the user interface was ugly and was not user friendly at allll lol.i love it now but I also love reason as well and it’s much easier then both of those.

as a logic user, I'm sure it'd take me ages to get something done in Ableton.

I don't know why this wasn't showing up in the context menus, but Command T is the command to split a track. That's why it doesn't make a new track. To me, an idiot, Command N is what I'd expect for a new track, but that makes a new project, so it's Option Command N, which is pretty logical I would say. Command T in Final Cut Pro is the trim tool, that splits a video clip, so it's the exact same command in logic to trim the track, or split it rather. Just different commands for different workflows.

I’m a Logic user for life and my one and only time trying Ableton was a lot like this 😆 …only a lot worse lol

I am fluent in Sonar, Abbleton, protools, steinberg, fruity loops, and logic. Logic is absolutey the last DAW I would use. You can't quick master in Logic; the tools aren't there and the layout of requires way too much mousing movement. If you're a pro use: abbleton, studio one, steinberg, protools, or even cakewalk for mastering Audio tracks. Fruity Loops, Garage Band, Logic, are for making midi tracks. This video is absolutely correct. I am only here because I was trying to master someone's Logic track and I ended up mastering it, but I told him that I will never do it again.

For me zooming in Ableton is horrible. Like trying to hit bullseye on a moving dart board

bruuuhh, When are you dropping Goose Fat? Shit slaps

Command c to copy Command v to paste

Ironically I just jumped on Ableton for the first time ever just to try it out. After using Logic Pro for over 15 years. I’m so lost lol. But it seems pretty cool and powerful DAW.

10:40 - dude, please be honest. To say Ableton is "150 bucks more" is kind of disingenuous. A fair comparison would be the price of Suite, given the sheer amount of quality stuff Logic comes with (sounds & FX). So the difference is a LOT more than 150 quid, plus Ableton has paid upgrades way more regularly than LPX. The list of things (from 10:18) that Live supposedly does better is a bit biased as well (or simply uninformed). Tbf though, the browser in Live really is way better (cmd+f and type the first few letters -> boom!); selecting plugins in LPX otoh gets really tedious. The quick selection remembers only the last 5 plugins used; so lots of menu diving to get the right plug. Live is also the best when it comes to giving info at a glance on small laptop screens. Not hating, tbh I'd be using Live if their pricing wasn't as predatory - due to the unified browser and better UI on small screens. It's super efficient. Coming from Logic, and not owning a gazillion third party VSTs, Live Standard would be a massive (!) downgrade in everything except workflow. Logic is easily the best bang for the buck only 2nd to FL.

Are you suggesting ableton because you sell ableton training?

"Warp" is called "Flex" in Logic

This is goofy but, the thing i cant stand about Ableton, is that all the track parameters are on the right side of the screen. EVERY other DAW they are on the left, and its so uncomfortable for me. I want to love Ableton but.......ugh i hate that.

I am a beginner. And I started with ableton 3 years ago. I had to watch a few tutorials and it wasn’t hard to understand. But once you get deeper into electronic music theory, it is pretty much like math or coding. You have to Google stuff and you will learn completely new ways of making music. Garage band and logic is great for kids.

as a logic pro user, this was painful to watch 😂 but great video nonetheless

Hmm

Nice video man. although it might be a little hard after 10 years of experience to be objective about it, just saying

You would love fl studio

Bitwig for me