How to read the deviation of a FM modulated signal on the spectrum analyser.
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@xenia51018 күн бұрын
Well done. Thanks for mentioning the original drum application
@user-uv4xe3cq2y4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and thorough, as always. Thank you again for your video production here and for all the others.
@lyntonprescott34125 жыл бұрын
You are a genius sir. So well explained. A pleasure to watch.
@BaluShiva-ym8hj4 жыл бұрын
great presentation i have ever seen ... Now i have seen my entire theory in practical experience thanks a lot professor
@DucatiMTS12003 жыл бұрын
Awesome - now I understand better. Thank you for taking the time to explain sir.
@TheRadioShop6 жыл бұрын
Another great tutorial Peter. Well done!
@TRXLab6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Buddy! Take care my friend 73
@larryk4mu2406 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, Thanks for taking the time to do a FM deviation tutorial, always enjoy your videos. 73
@TRXLab6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Larry! 73
@dennisqwertyuiop6 жыл бұрын
Great video, your a great teacher as always thank you very much for all information, Have a great day Peter
@TRXLab6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dennis! 73
@chrisstorm77042 жыл бұрын
I was able to set the deviation on an FM transceiver using this method using a mobile phone, an SDR receiver, and an oscilloscope. It took a couple attempts because the makeshift signal generator did not keep a constant audio level as the frequency changed. Once I realized the problem, I changed my method a bit. Take the specified deviation in the service manual and divide by 2.405. Use a tone generator to produce tone at this frequency. Set the tone level to what is specified in the service manual by checking with an oscilloscope. Play tone into radio input while transmitting. Watch the waterfall on the SDR transceiver, and adjust the radio's deviation until the carrier frequency disappears. When I was finished, the resulting adjustment was within about 1.5% of what the radio arrived with.
@mrkattm6 жыл бұрын
Great job Peter, I loved the way you tied things back to the mathematical fundamentals, it gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling ;o) Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing.
@TRXLab6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Michael! All the best 73
@enocpaz72238 ай бұрын
Excelente profesor. Saludos desde México!
@czwurttemberger96955 жыл бұрын
Vielen Dank für das perfekte Video. Einfach und gut erklärt !
@TRXLab5 жыл бұрын
Freut mich das es gefällt. Danke fürs vorbeischauen...
@zinaung39833 ай бұрын
I clear understand about FM deviation by your video ,so i'm very thank you for it.
@T-She-Go3 жыл бұрын
I understand so much more now. Thank you so much good sir
@toddanonymous52956 жыл бұрын
How great it is to attend one of professor Peter's lectures at TRX University without leaving home. Thanks Prof P !
@TRXLab6 жыл бұрын
LOL glad that you liked it Todd! Thanks for feed-back 73
@wobboonstra92906 жыл бұрын
Hello Peter, Good explanation. Have learned something again, thanks.
@TRXLab6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for feed-back Wob! 73
@hitechredneck63666 жыл бұрын
Very cool, Peter! Thanks for the thorough description. I've heard of the Bessel Null function in FM broadcasting, but it's neat to see what it means and how it's derived. You should do more theory discussions like this! :-)
@TRXLab6 жыл бұрын
Glad that you liked it Jason...Well some theory discussions are already here on my channel. Thanks for watching 73
@roumenvelev5666 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your lesson Peter !
@TRXLab6 жыл бұрын
Glad that you liked it 73
@eddyane676 жыл бұрын
Great as usual! Thanks Peter
@TRXLab6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Eduardo! 73
@zohirbailiche73224 жыл бұрын
That was pretty interesting ... Thank you 👌
@jesussanchez-prieto36433 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. Thanks
@sebastianalejandrovaldivia38363 жыл бұрын
thank you a lot! this was very helpful
@egbertgroot27373 жыл бұрын
Beautiful equipment!
@mikebloodworth9258Ай бұрын
Hi Peter, an informative presentation. I used my OWON XSZ1015P Spectrum Analyser and my Marconi 2031 Sig Gen to test it out at 28MHz with 5KHz deviation at -10dbm. I found 2 lower frequency nulls #1 at 581.4Hz, #2 at 909.4Hz and #3 at 2.083KHz all nulling down the fundamental to about -90dbm. The Spectrum Analyser in ''modulation mode'' showed a Peak deviation of 5.05KHz, 5.04KHz and 5.01KHz. All quite close results. Based on the modulation Index of 2.4048 for 1st Bessel null this calculates to an audio freq of 2.076KHz for 5.00 KHz deviation. So I am confused by the 1st 2 nulls as they should not be there. I think the best way is to to use the formula to calculate the audio freq based on Audio (KHz) = Deviation/2.4048 and trim it for a null on the SP. Cheers Mike
@ht91ify11 ай бұрын
I used to give analog and digital modulation lectures long time ago. I wish I had got an SA to show my students the modulations spectrum in the frequency domain. Thanks.
@vaibhavhalankar58402 ай бұрын
Great educational video
@K1ZEK6 жыл бұрын
Nice video, I think I will watch it again and I will add it to my "electronics education and stuff" list of saved videos. 73 Leo
@TRXLab6 жыл бұрын
Glad that the video is useful to you! Thanks for feed-back Leo 73
@danield67736 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Sir, it is very educative and answered lots of questions that I had in mind. Keep it up !
@TRXLab6 жыл бұрын
gld that my video was of any help...Thanks for feed-back 73
@alexarif28355 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, I am trying to fix my HP8590L spectrum analyzer and would like to seek your advice on some of the issues. 1. I tried to measure the signal path from the RF to the IF with a 500Mhz scope which I borrowed but I cannot see any sensible signal between the output and the input of the different stages. Of course at 2.4 Ghz I would expect issues with the scope shorting the signal due to capacitance but at 300 Mhz I expected it to work. When I disconnect the wires from the SA I see on the screen that the signals disappear hence there must be a signal inside the cable its just that my scope doesn’t seem to pick it up. Do you have a recommendation how I could check the signals, I do not have another spectrum analyser. I tried a small hand made coil (contact less) but didn’t help either. Is it impossible to measure in your opinion ? 2. I see a nice signal on the SA at a SPAN of 100khz and above. The moment I tur the nob below 100Khz the signal becomes useless. Can you recommend where to search ? www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/hp8590l-spectrum-analyzer-calibration-signal-issues/new/?topicseen#new Highly appreciated Bjoern
@MeineVideokasetten4 жыл бұрын
Hey dr op. Nice video!!! What is the m value of CB radios modulation? Is has to be smaller than 5?!
@user-hv3ku4nn7u5 жыл бұрын
很专业 虽然现在我听不懂,也不明白,以后我会懂的 Very professional although I do not understand now, do not understand, I will understand in the future
@TRXLab5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for feed-back. Do you have just started your electronic studies?
@Eltimple3 жыл бұрын
So to sum up.. feed in 2khz and adjust deviation for the carrier or bazel null on the spectrum?
@ChiefMade3 жыл бұрын
Terrific video! What software is that, it’s fantastic to have that on your pc
@Simon-mz7sf Жыл бұрын
Thankyou so much.
@vidasvv4 жыл бұрын
TNX for another great video !!! 73 N8AUM
@josegermanparra60643 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation. I will try to measure the deviation of my signal generator FM modulation option which is not documented.
@TRXLab3 жыл бұрын
Good luck
@josegermanparra60643 жыл бұрын
It worked! I was able to get an estimate of the deviation variation of an old signal generator using my basic Siglent 100MHz oscilloscope. But not in real time (the scope only takes 1024 points, not enough frequency resolution) but saving the signal values (about 20000 points) and doing DFT via software and using Carlson bandwidth formula.
@bjorlfale18726 жыл бұрын
Great and many thx ! I didn't have a clue that the Bessel functions have something to do with the spectrum of a FM modulation, now you just proved it. I vote to have now some more expalantions (of the math side), could you give us a site or something to read more about this ? When I study for the HAREC license, these little formulas sound silly, I would be happy and remind easyier if I can unterstand the math under the formulas.
@TRXLab6 жыл бұрын
Glad that it was in any kind helpful for you! Thanks for watching 73
@hjfgjgfjghj3 жыл бұрын
Hello. Which rf generator do you use?
@alexeymitjaew6926 Жыл бұрын
thanks!
@berndb.50976 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, what do you mean, could I also measure that with a CW receiver and narrow band filter of for example 180Hz? 73 Bernd
@TRXLab6 жыл бұрын
Hi Bernd, not entirely sure what you mean. Well you may see the vanishing centre frequency with varying the AF frequency. Just try it. 73
Good evening, thanks for the interesting video. I have a question: @minute 37'30" you said "...we have seen that our Bessel zero is @ 2.4". I searched backward but I didn't understand how you can say that. Please can you help me to understand? Thanks again. Andrea
@AugustusBoadu2 жыл бұрын
If you go back to minute 30:42, there's a graph of 'J' signals. 2.4 is the first zero crossing of J0 signal. I hope that makes sense
@3peterpaul4 жыл бұрын
Ein sehr guter Vortrag. Ich würde es für begrüßen, wenn Sie diesen Votrag für alle, die nicht englisch verstehen, eine deutsche Version zu veröffenlichen.
@apskhanna5 жыл бұрын
Great video for introduction to FM and FM deviation. However the carrier null shown does not seem to be the first null (2.4). Audio frequency at start was very low which means very high m. As the fm is increased m decreases and the null shown is a higher order null. Deviation by calculation should be much higher than 5 KHz.
@ryantoomey6113 жыл бұрын
Don't the peaks technically go out to infinity but they are below the noise level?
@gaborm47674 жыл бұрын
Can I ask you how does squelch work in FM transceivers? Is it signal strength based or something else? Thank you.
@ryantoomey6113 жыл бұрын
squelch is used in receivers not transmitters. The squelch basically mutes the receiver when the signal strength falls below a certain level. Once the signal strength is above a certain level the squelch "opens" and the receiver un-mutes. The squelch level threshold is usually controlled by the user depending if they want to hear strong signals or weak signals.
@rubenespada81172 жыл бұрын
Wonder how did you inject a 28 mhz carrier signal ,because your sig generator goes only to 25 mhz?you use another generator???? thanks ...Ruben
@grzesiek1x15 күн бұрын
8:56 but this diegramm is a little bit confusing , I mean for FM because I usuelly can't see the modulation like that on my oecilloecope unless there is a really slow signal like 10 Hz or something so then I can see sinewave expanding on the screen...
@hana95232 жыл бұрын
Why there are minus signs and why is start with minus sign in vertical -axis?
@user-uv4xe3cq2y6 жыл бұрын
What is the make and model spectrum analyzer, please?
@TRXLab6 жыл бұрын
The entire answer is here in my video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b92Jd9Ory5PXnGw.html
@mohammadosman11765 жыл бұрын
Great Video , please could you kindly help to view FM signal and AM on Oscilloscope , so to check these signals in Time domain .
@TRXLab5 жыл бұрын
You will have trouble to see the FM deviation on the scope as the frequency delta is to small compared to the transmitter frequency.
@mohammadosman11765 жыл бұрын
Dear Sir , thanks a lot , please I have question : If I set the carrier ( from waveform generator ) to say 10 KHz , set the deviation ( FM modulation from the waveform generator ) to 1 KHz , so is it possible to view the analog FM signal on the Oscilloscope ? Thanks and best regards
@alessandrozax6 жыл бұрын
FM deviation it's not easy to understand, but we appreciate a lot what you have done for your followers. It's not so clear 4 me, how it's possible see deviation without carrier signal. :(
@TRXLab6 жыл бұрын
Hi Alessandro well finally Bessel is the secret but to understand it more in depth we would need the to use the maths approach. Thanks for watching 73
@soumyadippoddar34993 жыл бұрын
I think the bessel 0 point you have achieved here is not the first bessel 0 point (i.e modulating index =2.41) because if it was so then while you were increasing the frequency of the audio signal amplitude of the central tone should go from negative to zero as shown in the bessel graph. But in your case amplitude of central tone was coming from positive to zero while you were increasing the frequency so maybe it was any one of the next bessel 0 points.