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Battleship New Jersey

Battleship New Jersey

Күн бұрын

In this episode we're taking a closer look at the propellant for the 16in guns on the battleship.
For our video on Shell Types:
• What are the Different...
For our video on Nuclear Shells:
• Nuclear: Project Katie
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@taofledermaus
@taofledermaus 2 жыл бұрын
Really surprised how large the grains are. Also I didn't expect them to be organized so neatly in the bags.
@manga12
@manga12 2 жыл бұрын
taofledermaus? I used to watch some of your videos ages ago, I did not know you liked the battleships
@carlwright6889
@carlwright6889 2 жыл бұрын
I can hear the gears turning. Will it fit in a shotgun? Where can I get a few grains?
@MrJerry160
@MrJerry160 2 жыл бұрын
Me neither but it makes sense when you think of it as a scaled up rifle.
@johnserrano9689
@johnserrano9689 2 жыл бұрын
Officer Greg will get the chance to fire a "Russian slug" loaded with a power bag from the real battleship New Jersey. Be the high point of his entire life....and probably your best performing video for the next 15 years👍 yeah man I'm sure he'd still be your friend after
@johnserrano9689
@johnserrano9689 2 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine the raw power unleashed in a single bag though lol nevermind 6 pushing 2700 pounds of american anger...that's a lot of trust placed in the guys at the forge to put it mildly. Not everyday a 12 gauge is made to look like a daisy single pump
@Ed-kd7qu
@Ed-kd7qu 2 жыл бұрын
I worked as a Chemist at the Naval Ordnance Station, Indian Head MD in the late 60’s. This is where the propellant for the NJ was made. We tested every batch to make sure it was in spec. I got a chance to go to Dahlgren VA. to watch test firing to measure the “force/power”of every batch to make adjustments for range. It was shot at 45 and 0 degrees through wire loops to measure the speed of the projectile. When I got there,they were firing 5” guns and I thought that was unbelievable on how loud they where and how everything shook. Then they put 6 bags of powder into the 16” gun after the shell which weighed about 2200 lb. When that was fired, it made the 5” gun sound like a .22 round in comparison. The noise was deafening and it lifted dirt off the ground everywhere. I also got a chance,with binoculars to watch the 0 degree shot skip down the Potomac like someone skipping a rock. What a day!!
@keefsmiff
@keefsmiff 26 күн бұрын
What did you do at work today daddy? Fascinating job,
@theEVILone0130
@theEVILone0130 21 күн бұрын
Definitely interesting. I never got to see that. The best thing I saw was the testing of the catapults on the USS Ronald Reagan while it was at Newport News shipyard on fit out. Which was interesting to see.
@funkoreviews3657
@funkoreviews3657 2 жыл бұрын
You do a great job, Ryan. Don’t sweat looking at notes occasionally, we don’t expect that you memorize every script. 👍👍👍
@riproar11
@riproar11 2 жыл бұрын
Some day they'll upload a blooper reel.
@johnhowitt2653
@johnhowitt2653 2 жыл бұрын
i think Ryan explains it very clearly and covers all the relevant points in a non technical way that actually conveys the technical detail that goes into this. And yes no one expects him to remember all the numbers. I have often seen ‘war’ films where they are loading guns and wondered how and why. This video explains it clearly.
@HighestRank
@HighestRank 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@emiliodesalvo7024
@emiliodesalvo7024 2 жыл бұрын
Or we could specifically finance a teleprompter.
@L3GHO5T
@L3GHO5T 2 жыл бұрын
He shouldn’t have to look at anything there shouldn’t be notes there he should just know it off the top of his head. The world of tanks guy does
@marklatimer7333
@marklatimer7333 2 жыл бұрын
I love Ryan's nonchalant presentations, it's like he turned up for work having forgotten it was video day, I love the laid back approach, a refreshing change from most American TV Presenters, Ryan's approach seems to be listen to the information that's the important bit not what I look like.
@ScumfuckMcDoucheface
@ScumfuckMcDoucheface 2 жыл бұрын
Well said, definitely agree =)
@BattleshipNewJersey
@BattleshipNewJersey 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, basically that's what we do. We sit around for a few minutes and bounce ideas, then find a place to film him talk about it
@GeneralKenobiSIYE
@GeneralKenobiSIYE 2 жыл бұрын
@@BattleshipNewJersey Ryan has gotten much better with his presentations as he has gotten more comfortable. I remember how nervous and out of his depth he seemed like a high school freshman having to give a presentation in font of the whole school at the start, but now it's like "Eh, another day of teaching. Lets do this..... in a chilled way."
@ScumfuckMcDoucheface
@ScumfuckMcDoucheface 2 жыл бұрын
@@GeneralKenobiSIYE yeah? I never really felt that way, that Ryan came off like that, not nearly to the extent you describe anyway.... either way, he's very enjoyable and downtoearth/chill now-a-days =)
@beanMosheen
@beanMosheen 2 жыл бұрын
I like how it's presented. It feels like a bunch of enthusiasts sitting around and geeking out over specifics. It's a rare treat to deep dive topics.
@pakieffer49
@pakieffer49 2 жыл бұрын
I watched her shoot just north of DA Nang one night. What a show---horizon flash, three red dots overhead to land, rumble from the guns then the landing rumble. I was aboard ship so we saw it all and what a sight it was!
@maxcaysey2844
@maxcaysey2844 2 жыл бұрын
It must have been glorious... Not being in a war naturally, but the power and majesty of these ships never seem to go away!
@ironduff003
@ironduff003 2 жыл бұрын
Never saw that at night, but did see it a couple of times off VN in daylight. I did see both heavy cruisers (8") and light cruisers (6" RF) doing GFS at night. The light cruiser was close inshore in the fog. Made a heck of a show!
@FaustoTheBoozehound
@FaustoTheBoozehound 2 жыл бұрын
@@ironduff003 Was the CA one of the auto-loaders? They were the Salem, Newport News and Des Moines iirc. Fired a volley about every 6 seconds!
@rockyperez2828
@rockyperez2828 2 жыл бұрын
During Desert Storm when the Mighty Mo was firing I could hear her guns talking away. Not sure what they was firing at. But remember that after about 3 days the line of combat had moved forward and our lead M109 created a large sand dunes and fell in a HUGE crater that was when we noticed alot of building had been blown away and our commander told us this crater was from the battle wagon off shore she created this hole it took 3 SNOOPYS (wreckers) to pull the 109 out. Let me tell u that was a big hole sure glad she wasnt shooting at us..
@gateway8833
@gateway8833 Жыл бұрын
Welcome Home.
@Benson_aka_devils_advocate_88
@Benson_aka_devils_advocate_88 2 жыл бұрын
When he says "tare layer" he's referring to the word _"tare"_ as in the _tare weight_ of the bag. So, tare layer, is the layer of propellent laid on it's side to bring the whole thing to your tare weight. Hope that helps if anyone was wondering!
@zlcoolboy
@zlcoolboy 2 жыл бұрын
It does! I was thinking he meant "tear" like they tore a hole in the charge to shove more in if it didn't weigh correctly.
@dickJohnsonpeter
@dickJohnsonpeter 2 жыл бұрын
They would take the tare for the bag off on the scale, zeroing it out before loading the propellant. He explained it had nothing to do with the weight off the bag. What I don't understand is why it's called that when, as he explained it, it didn't have anything to do with the tare and was just extra grains to compensate for small variations in sizes of grains to achieve the correct weight.
@felixthecat265
@felixthecat265 2 жыл бұрын
@@dickJohnsonpeter Nope.. the "tare" weight is the corrected weight to match the performance of the charge to the ballistic standard. The nitrocellulose propellent will vary in performance from batch to batch. A sample is taken from each batch and burned in a closed vessel of known volume and the pressure curve compared with that of the standard for the propellent type. The actual weight of the charge can them be adjusted to produce the correct energy output for the cartridge.. Eg if the batch is found to be more powerful than the standard, the charge is reduced, if weaker more propellent is added. All the gun calibration data depends on having consistent propellent charges so that the projectile will hit the same range, batch for batch. In practice, a ship will do calibration shoots with each batch of propellent if it can, however in wartime this may not be possible and the guns may have to switch from batch to batch during an engagement without re-calibration. The tare weight system minimises the batch to batch variation...
@dickJohnsonpeter
@dickJohnsonpeter 2 жыл бұрын
@@felixthecat265 Thanks that's why I was wondering why they called it Tare when it really isn't. Still though, after they test the propellant they're going to load the bags at equal weight and would take a tare off for the bag weight since that can vary.
@beeble2003
@beeble2003 Жыл бұрын
@@felixthecat265 Right, but the normal meaning of the word "tare" is the weight of the empty container. So it's not clear why they're using the word "tare" for this completely different concept.
@richardknouse618
@richardknouse618 2 жыл бұрын
The powder plant in question was near Memphis Tennessee. Early on, my father was called to appear at the draft board and get a pre-induction physical. Because he was one of the few in line who could read and write, they asked him to go first, so the others would have confidence. At the end of the process, he met with a committee of three officers. One turned to the others saying "Looks shaky to me. What do you think?" The other two agreed: "Shaky" Shaky." The officer in charge stamped my father's papers 4F. Apparently he was only one of a couple dozen people in the country who knew the smokeless powder process well enough to run a powder plant. So he led a battalion sized crew of old men, wives, girlfriends and fiances of servicemen for five years. During that time, his crew experienced casualties comparable to a combat battalion.
@Jaybird-vy7oh
@Jaybird-vy7oh Жыл бұрын
If your dad is still around, thank him for his service for me. The men and women left on the home front were vital in the war effort and all too often overshadowed by those with more heroic sounding job titles.
@bobbym6130
@bobbym6130 Жыл бұрын
Wow. When he described vats of guncotton being mixed i thought that must have been terrifying
@richardknouse618
@richardknouse618 Жыл бұрын
@@bobbym6130 A powder plant is a building with three sides made of heavy stone or masonry and the fourth side made of flimsy wood frame so if it blows, you know which direction the blast will take. This was true of the original duPont powder factories along Brandywine creek in Delaware that date back to the American Revolution.
@richardknouse618
@richardknouse618 Жыл бұрын
@@Jaybird-vy7oh He passed in 1973.
@andrewandres148
@andrewandres148 Жыл бұрын
So no one did the "pop the bag" gag at work i assume....... God bless your dad, he kept some guns rockin on my grandpas destroyer during WW2 i bet...
@richardknouse618
@richardknouse618 2 жыл бұрын
My Father was in charge of a smokeless gunpowder plant during WWII. I inherited some samples including a grain from the battleship Missouri. Relax, I have since disposed of the samples. The reason for the 7 holes was so that as the gunpowder burned, the surface area would remain relatively constant. Burning from the outside would reduce the surface area. Burning from inside each of the 7 holes would increase the surface area. So the two would balance out. An important concern was that the burn would finish just as the round left the end of the barrel. This served to avoid wasting powder and it also served to reduce the size of the muzzle flash.
@patrickmcneilly4293
@patrickmcneilly4293 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps I focus on local history too much, but I saw “smokeless gunpowder plant” and thought of Hercules Powder Company in Kenvil, NJ. I know that it blew sky high in September 1940, it killed 51 and it was suspected that the local Bundists did some sabotage.
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 2 жыл бұрын
There was also the Hercules plant just outside of Wilmington, Delaware. Actually, it's still there, though I don't know if they still make anything on-site any longer.
@georgesakellaropoulos8162
@georgesakellaropoulos8162 2 жыл бұрын
This is known as progressive burning powder and is used in a very much smaller version in sporting and military small arms. You want the powder to burn in such a manner that it provides consistent pressure while the projectile is being pushed down the barrel. Any unburned powder is wasteful and does nothing for velocity. Conversely, if the powder is burned before the projectile leaves the barrel, then pressure drops and the projectile will have a reduced velocity as it exits.
@samuelschick8813
@samuelschick8813 2 жыл бұрын
Richard Knouse, I was a 16 inch gunner on the Missouri back in the 1980's, rear turret center gun. I was also LPO of powder flats and powder magazines. We had a powder bag break open on the powder flats. Somewhere around the house I still have a Cheetos with powder grains from that broken bag.
@TKing2724
@TKing2724 2 жыл бұрын
"Relax, I have since disposed of the samples." TBH, that upsets me way more than you having a few grains of propellant from 80 years ago.
@Just_Joshing024
@Just_Joshing024 28 күн бұрын
This dude is EXTREMELY knowledgeable. He isn't reading off anything, and he has to think sometimes. Very impressive stuff
@chash7335
@chash7335 2 жыл бұрын
Other than basic training I did my entire Army tour in a field artillery battery, a year of that in Viet Nam. It was an 8"/175mm battery so had separate loading ammunition. Powder grains look to be similar in size but our had larger holes, IIRC. I tried burning a few grains to heat up C rations but the fire was too intense and short lived. Our powder increments came packed in one round cans with 6 increments of white bag and 3 of green bag, with only the base increment having the red igniter pad. We had a lot of powder increments unused, these disposed of by burning. We lost a jeep and trailer when the burning got out of hand and ignited a trailer full of powder. The 175 mm gun used over 90 lbs of powder as a full charge, which placed a dangerous stress on the tube ( field artillery calls the barrel the "tube") so the gun crew dismounts the piece and a 50 lanyard is used to fire it. Even then we lost a man when a tube ruptured. 300 full charge rounds was the limit for the 175, 6000 rounds for the 8". At one time we were changing 175 tubes every day or so, more often than I changed socks. Thanks for the great presentation, Ryan.
@albertfat907
@albertfat907 2 жыл бұрын
What was the unit that you were in???
@chash7335
@chash7335 2 жыл бұрын
@@albertfat907 7/15th Artillery Regt
@shawntailor5485
@shawntailor5485 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for service ! All my artillery buddies are deaf ,I humped alot of 105 and 4 deuce in support platoon, and damn near went deaf on deliveries.
@spvillano
@spvillano 11 ай бұрын
During Gulf War I, they used a bunch of spare tubes to make bunker busters. Just retasked them, filled them with HE, closed the ends, added fins, the bunkers were history. Apparently, the tube was hardened just right to double as a penetrator. Given how the tubes were made, yeah, I buy that one!
@dwwolf4636
@dwwolf4636 4 ай бұрын
8"/203mm
@danielmarshall4587
@danielmarshall4587 2 жыл бұрын
"as this slowly burns in the blink of an eye" NICE. Loving your vids cheers.
@philperry4699
@philperry4699 2 жыл бұрын
He must be taking lessons from Drach...
@watchm4ker
@watchm4ker 2 жыл бұрын
As flame speeds go, that's not all that fast. Once you get to really energetic explosives, even the best high-speed cameras struggle to catch more than a frame. And that's before you get to nuclear reactions...
@tubedude54
@tubedude54 2 жыл бұрын
I used to make gun cotton in the chem lab in HS. Sure, it was crude stuff but it worked! In the open air you could lite it and it would just burn with a rather large flare up. Never tried a contained burn... wasn't that stupid! lol Oh... just remembered that one day the chem teacher came in and asked what I was doing... told him... he just looked at the stuff I had on the lab table and walked away muttering! He was a kewl dude!
@thegrimsniper
@thegrimsniper 2 жыл бұрын
As a chemist, I love that Ryan nailed all the major points of the chemical production
@Bert2368
@Bert2368 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, except for leaving out a whole lot of washing & stabilization steps. And with a couple of the steps given in the wrong order... Don't try mixing the solvent/plasticizer with unnitrated cellulose and THEN soaking such a mixture with nitric & sulfuric acids at home, kids. Also would not hurt to mention terms like neutral, regressive and progressive burning + explicitly equate those to changes in grain surface area.
@AflacMan13
@AflacMan13 2 жыл бұрын
I still find it interesting, that Gun Cotton was developed and Gun Powder was still used heavily for so long, until Gun Cotton proved to be the superior propellant. :-P
@Bert2368
@Bert2368 2 жыл бұрын
@@AflacMan13 There were (are!) quite a few guns in use which were not proofed for the new smokeless propellants, people wanted to keep using them... It was quite a while before the majority of civilian weapons were "nitro proofed", militaries HAD to make the switch ASAP to stay viable.
@Bialy_1
@Bialy_1 2 жыл бұрын
@@AflacMan13 Using gun cotton with black powder guns often was ending with the gun chamber exploding into the user face...
@tcoradeschi
@tcoradeschi Жыл бұрын
@@Bert2368 You are correct. The ethyl alcohol is added to the nitrocellulose (post nitration, washing, stabilizing) as a solvent to enable incorporation of other elements of the propellant and then extrusion of the propellant grains.
@beanMosheen
@beanMosheen 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the fact you bring notes to speak accurately. Thanks for all the hard work you and your team do. This channel is awesome.
@gorillaau
@gorillaau 2 жыл бұрын
Having a specification sheet for those pesky numbers is a good idea.
@dalesql2969
@dalesql2969 2 жыл бұрын
The word you were looking for the extremely rapid burning of the propellant grains is Deflagration. In one of the USS Massachusetts videos the gunner's mate said that they recorded the lot numbers of the powder and made an effort to use all the same lot number for each particular gunnery shoot. This was to gather data so they could adjust the fire control solution for the slightly different projectile velocity for each given lot of propellant. As another video idea would be to just do a video on all the different variables that had to be cranked into the fire control computer to achieve the impressive accuracy. Not just range, speed and course of the target, but things like air temperature, wind speed, humidity, and even the ships latitude and longitude to compensate for the rotation of the earth while the shell was in the air.
@beeber4516
@beeber4516 Жыл бұрын
Interesting side note, thanks.
@sambrown6426
@sambrown6426 Жыл бұрын
I'd like that.
@gullreefclub
@gullreefclub Жыл бұрын
The use of same batch/lot number for all components of a given load be it small bore rifle to load for a gun on a battleship is important to maximize the deviation of the means to improve shot to shot predictability. I shoot various disciplines of center fire rifle and pistol and the loads for my competition ammo I use brass that only comes from manufacture lot number that I have then check for the same weight, and volumetric capacity, primers from the same lot/batch number, powder from the same lot/batch number and projectiles from the same lot/batch number. Additionally I keep the primers and powder in a very environmentally stable location. My reloading equipment is also in an environmentally stable location and I only load the ammunition that I need for a given match because the components in loaded ammo degrade at a different rate than components stored in bulk. Additionally any time I buy a new supply of components I have to retest my loads and or adjust them to maintain the expected performance of my loads for each load, caliber and firearm I shoot them in.
@spvillano
@spvillano 11 ай бұрын
@@gullreefclub I remember being quite shocked at the difference in volume alone between different lots from the same manufacturer. I do joke about commercial NM vs precision hand loaded, "You can have NM or you can have good". ;)
@tannersires9734
@tannersires9734 Ай бұрын
Crazy how precise they could be seeing as how factory ammunition in small arms vary in the 20s-30s fps for decent ammo.
@jpavlvs
@jpavlvs Жыл бұрын
I was a Marine in Vietnam. I saw her firing off the coast south of Da Nang in '68. The rounds sound like they say. A Railroad train passing overhead.
@johnmollet2637
@johnmollet2637 2 жыл бұрын
83.0gr by weight in a 375 H&H. Does anyone else want a couple of those granules of propellant for their reloading bench? Ryan, great job on explaining how gun cotton was manufactured and produced. It was explained simply and clearly enough for the average person to have a fundamental understanding of the process.
@kingduckford
@kingduckford 2 жыл бұрын
I've had good luck using 10.5 grains of Red Dot in the same cartridge, with a cast lead bullet. Able to do 1 MOA consistent, good enough for short range varmit shooting, or just cheap practice. Great cartridge for the big heavy loads of powder, but also good for the easy light ones, as well.
@johnmollet2637
@johnmollet2637 2 жыл бұрын
@@kingduckford Tell me about it, I pull my 265gr cast lead back to about 1600ish. Makes for a nice day. Love to see peoples faces when those long cases come out of the rifle. Have a great evening.
@kimmer6
@kimmer6 2 жыл бұрын
I put 232 grains of IMR 5010 behind a Hornady A-Max 750 grain projectile in my 1/2 inch squirrel gun. The best I can do is a 14.2 inch group of 5 at 1000 yards. Some guys do much better.
@johnmollet2637
@johnmollet2637 2 жыл бұрын
@@kimmer6 I surrender my Man Card. LOL Figured someone would pipe up with a 50 BMG. Those are some expensive squirrels, aren't the component bullets several dollars apiece?
@adamkoch3424
@adamkoch3424 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnmollet2637 Well there's always the Tankgewehr...
@MajesticDemonLord
@MajesticDemonLord 2 жыл бұрын
Now, as a longtime fan of Forgotten Weapons, now that you've talked about the Powder and the Shells - does that mean next weeks video will be you taking it out to the range and shooting it? (P.S. the correct answer is 'yes')
@Elthenar
@Elthenar 2 жыл бұрын
Not unless he wants to blow out every window for a couple of miles. That 16 inch battery makes a bit of a pop when fired.
@MajesticDemonLord
@MajesticDemonLord 2 жыл бұрын
@@Elthenar worthy sacrifices...
@zoopercoolguy
@zoopercoolguy 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a roadtrip to U.S. Naval Surface Warfare Center Dahlgren Division is in order. Actually, a video showing Dahlgren's display of naval guns would be pretty interesting.
@mikeowen9268
@mikeowen9268 2 жыл бұрын
@@Elthenar It's New Jersey, would anyone even notice the difference before and after?
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikeowen9268 lol
@BlackHawkBallistic
@BlackHawkBallistic 2 жыл бұрын
5fps+/- on average is incredible, I'd have thought it'd be much more than that since small arm variance is in the double digit range it seems
@Neutercane
@Neutercane 2 жыл бұрын
And some are WAY more than that!
@appleintosh
@appleintosh 2 жыл бұрын
Well, with the amount of propellant used in a battleship shot, any variance in the rate of burning between different individual pellets gets normalized. There’s a lot more powder being burned, so any little differences between each individual pellet just get averaged out. Whereas in a small arm round, there’s much less powder for those differences to be averaged out over. Plus you’ve also got to consider that these battleship powder bags were probably stored in very good conditions over the 60 years it probably sat in storage. I’m sure the Navy kept them in a climate controlled bunker somewhere, and even on the ship, the powder magazines were kept cool and dry. Compare that to rifle or handgun cartridges, which usually get tossed into 120 degree storage containers and trucks and left there for a while during shipping.
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 2 жыл бұрын
Also, when you're trying to hit moving targets at 20 miles, firing from another moving platform, *any* variations in velocity mean a *lot* of dispersion at the far end. All efforts were undertaken to eliminate every source and form of induced variation.
@squid0013
@squid0013 2 жыл бұрын
5 fps variance is not uncommon for rifle shooters
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 2 жыл бұрын
@@squid0013 +/- 5fps in rifles means you're using match-grade ammo. +/- 30fps is much more common.
@bobkay2827
@bobkay2827 2 жыл бұрын
Nice. You correctly referred to it as gun propellant vs gun powder. Yet more evidence that Ryan has an engineering background. Lots of nitrocellulose and cordite...not much powder ever since cannonballs were phased out.
@ghost307
@ghost307 2 жыл бұрын
Now if we could only get people to stop using the obsolete word "tarmac" incorrectly.
@jobdylan5782
@jobdylan5782 2 жыл бұрын
@@ghost307 oh shut up lol
@ScumfuckMcDoucheface
@ScumfuckMcDoucheface 2 жыл бұрын
@@jobdylan5782 haha the man's got a point =P
@jordanrodrigues1279
@jordanrodrigues1279 2 жыл бұрын
Or asphalt when they mean asphalt concrete.
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar 2 жыл бұрын
@@jordanrodrigues1279 I don't think I know the difference.
@tidelovinyankee1368
@tidelovinyankee1368 2 жыл бұрын
I found this video to be the most interesting one yet. They are all good, but I guess this is where my primary interest lies. Thank you, Ryan.
@Wvanbramer
@Wvanbramer 2 жыл бұрын
ES(extreme spread) and SD(standard deviation) are super critical in Long Range shooting. I work up loads with both in the single digits. This builds consistent impact points at the target. Barring wind and shooter error.
@224Nisqually
@224Nisqually 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking on this topic. There are two areas that you missed that I think were very important during WWII. The first was flash suppression for night battles. The British, learned from Jutland, that battleship main batteries could draw attention to themselves, or even light up supporting smaller vessels with flash from the big rifles. The British developed a "low flash" powder and made effective use of it in night engagements. After learning that the Japanese preferred to engage at night at Guadalcanal, there was a scramble for "low flash" propellant by the Americans. It was probably more urgently sought than even to replace the Mark 6 magnetic exploder for torpedoes. What were the changes to propellant that made it "low flash"? What were the sacrifices in performance and shelf life of "low flash" propellants? I have heard that changes in tactics were also made so screening destroyers would not get "flashed" by battleships behind them in night actions like stopping Southern Force at Leyte. Secondly, I have heard that the Japanese used colored smoke trails from battleship salvos to identify it from others in the fleet for correction purposes. How was a smoke trail accomplished? Engineering and chemistry? Did the Americans have similar use of colored smoke? What were the different colors of Iowa and New Jersey at Truk (Operation Hailstone 17 Feb 1944)?
@Jreb1865
@Jreb1865 2 жыл бұрын
Never heard of the colored smoke idea, but it sounds like a good one...
@watchm4ker
@watchm4ker 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think they emitted trails, just burst as smoke bombs instead of explosives. While unpleasant, these are effectively harmless, and only useful for finding the range. Most navies I believe focused on timing the impacts to tell splashes apart, since it's a non-trivial task to switch between munitions when loading a naval cannon. More importantly, the US and UK were rolling out fire-control radar by WW2, obsoleting the concept.
@tigrrtom
@tigrrtom Жыл бұрын
I read that the Japanese used different color dye packages with their shells so they could tell their splashes apart. Wikipedia has a notation on it for the Kongo-class battlecruisers. "In 1941, dyes were introduced to the IJN. Kongo's shells used red dye, Hiei's black, and Kirishima's blue, while Haruna did not use shell-dyes" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kong%C5%8D_class_battlecruiser Wiki also has a notation for the Iowas: "To distinguish between the rounds fired from different battleships the Iowa class used dye bags which allowed artillery observers to determine which rounds had been fired by which ship. Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri, and Wisconsin were assigned the colors Orange, Blue, Red and Green, respectively" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armament_of_the_Iowa_class_battleship
@llake102
@llake102 2 жыл бұрын
When the powder bags was being made, they had to use brass sewing needles to close them up. They couldnt use any sewing machines for fear of igniting the powder, but sadly some did. Great work on how they were made. PS I would love to find the numbers for the depot at my home town.
@jeremyperala839
@jeremyperala839 2 жыл бұрын
They probably only employed non-smokers, too. They were pretty hard to find in the 1940's.
@DanielsPolitics1
@DanielsPolitics1 2 жыл бұрын
Say where that is and someone may be able to find out
@llake102
@llake102 2 жыл бұрын
Lol, they did in fact employed anyone including smokers, they just have an area for smoking out side the buildings, and I cant really say what town or city I am from but the Old navel depo is in NE that much I can say. Again its cool to see how they were made instead of hearing it.
@dacomazielsdorf7618
@dacomazielsdorf7618 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeremyperala839 they got searched at the plant the search houses for Indiana army ammo plant was just turned down a few years ago. I remember my gpa talking about them when we drove by
@arnoldgrubbs2005
@arnoldgrubbs2005 2 жыл бұрын
@@llake102 Thought that all the ammo plants here in Nebraska made bombs for Europe.... My Grandfather worked at the Mead plant as an electrical repair man there.
@FP194
@FP194 2 жыл бұрын
Finally a look inside the bag
@ScumfuckMcDoucheface
@ScumfuckMcDoucheface 2 жыл бұрын
......................... you hittin' on me, boy?
@lloydadkins885
@lloydadkins885 2 жыл бұрын
we found these grains on the beach in panama, Howard AFB. All us kids collected them with the sea shell's my sisters used them as salt and pepper shakers when playing house
@Jreb1865
@Jreb1865 2 жыл бұрын
@Norm Simpson I can relate...lol
@Jreb1865
@Jreb1865 2 жыл бұрын
@Norm Simpson Very true...I used to have my neighbors who were SF give me their pen flares out of their suvival kits...lol Sometimes an M18 or 2.... I was a MB back then as well...
@Jreb1865
@Jreb1865 2 жыл бұрын
@Norm Simpson Same here...Spent most of my life at Bragg...Got here in 67 and still here in 2021....It's been quite the ride with some of the best people on earth...Other MBs..lol
@phantomaviator1318
@phantomaviator1318 2 жыл бұрын
@Norm Simpson dudes y'all sound like you had fun I just sit on the computer and drive a prototype Abrams around and do loop the loops in hueys all day
@yepiratesworkshop7997
@yepiratesworkshop7997 2 жыл бұрын
@Norm Simpson My older brother and I did the same. At 66, I'm still playing with cannons and flintlocks. And I STILL have all nine fingers!
@seanwatts8342
@seanwatts8342 2 жыл бұрын
1:33 In engineering we call it "Incomplete deflagration to detonation transition" (IDDT). It's desirable to have a _FAST_ burn in a gun but definitely not supersonic fast. The largest charge I've personally fired is a .375 H&H, stunningly powerful for a shoulder fired rifle.
@AirGunScientist
@AirGunScientist Жыл бұрын
Thank you Ryan. Great explanation!
@briansnow1469
@briansnow1469 2 жыл бұрын
The largest charge I've fired was for the M107, 175mm Self Propelled Artillery gun, while in the USMC. The shell weighed 147 pounds and the maximum charge was 58 pounds of bagged powder with a range of 21 miles. The largest shell was from the M110A1, 8" Self Propelled Artillery gun. This shell weighed 200 pounds, but the powder charge was only 50 pounds with a range of 18 miles. Interesting side note, the M110 also had a nuclear shell available for use during the cold war. Our crew had a member that was certified to arm and handle the nuke, that was a special MOS 0812.
@bartpickens8650
@bartpickens8650 2 жыл бұрын
The M107 was classified as a gun and the M110 as a howitzer. It has to do with the ballistic profile the projectile travels. As you've noted, the 175mm was longer ranged with a lower weight projectile so it travelled on a flatter trajectory than the 8". The interesting time involving the propellant charges for both of those artillery pieces was disposing of unused charges after a session on the range. I did it once for each type of weapon at Grafenwoehr and the amount of heat generated when it burns is amazing. The red bags are placed at the end so they are the last ones to light off.
@beeber4516
@beeber4516 Жыл бұрын
I'd heard about those 8 inch nuclear shells as a kid and was amazed at the small size.
@spvillano
@spvillano 11 ай бұрын
@@beeber4516 there were two classes, that size was a gun type, similar to the Hiroshima bomb, albeit with more neutron reflectors. The larger round was a linear implosion, a cousin to the Nakasaki bomb, again with tons of reflectors to make it smaller. Yeah, I used to work on nukes back in prehistory.
@w.reidripley1968
@w.reidripley1968 Ай бұрын
Wiki saith we built four dozen such nuclear shells for 16 inch guns. Looks like they were a Pentagon political weapon -- the infighting over which service branch had which part of the nuclear triad. This was however a weapon type in search of a mission... emptying an entire harbor at a shot? Making a new harbor, lickety-split? And all this at nuclear weapon prices and maintenance costs. The projectiles obsolesced and were dismantled.
@apieceofdirt4681
@apieceofdirt4681 2 жыл бұрын
The knowledge that’s in this guys head is quite amazing. He’s kinda like the Jack-of-all-trades of all battleship curators.
@randomperson8695
@randomperson8695 2 жыл бұрын
When I was on active duty in Uncle Sam's Canoe Club as a Seabee the largest weapon system I got to fire was the M203 attachment to my M-16, it's a little bit smaller physically and the pressures it developed were probably somewhat lower than the 16"/50 cal. All bad jokes aside, I wish you guys would consider putting up a crowd funding site so we can send you on a trip overseas to other floating museums, get a cool private tour with camera crew. It would be fun to physically see the technology progression. My number one suggestion would be the IJN Mikasa in Japan, not only is it the last British built battleship anywhere in the world but it's a pre Dreadnought battleship, so the contrast in what counted as state of the art in its design and manufacture would be awesome. And that doesn't even touch on the cool history the Mikasa as the flagship during the Battle of Tsushima. Just thinking out loud, please give it some thought.
@richardsolberg4047
@richardsolberg4047 2 жыл бұрын
M 203 used the high-low pressure system to launch a grenade .. ,so the high start was still low compared to most rifles or a cannon ..
@sambrown6426
@sambrown6426 Жыл бұрын
My 2nd grade teacher had an honorable discharge from Uncle Sam's Canoe Club, after he slammed into the hull of a ship he was boarding when it was rolling in somewhat heavy seas. IIRC, he broke both arms, a few ribs, and at least one leg, then fell off the ladder onto his cutter, knocking him out.
@spvillano
@spvillano 11 ай бұрын
Well, he can cross the river to see a few generations prior in the USS Olympia, Dewey's old flagship from the Battle of Manila Bay. She's literally across the Delaware River from the New Jersey. There's also the Becuna, a Balao class submarine on display there.
@wadd58
@wadd58 2 жыл бұрын
I was a Gunners Mate{E-6} on the USCGC Duane, sister ship of the USCGC Taney. So I shot many full service 5'38 rounds. I also have one of the last 2 short charges fired when we decommissioned the Duane in 1985. I was part of the decommissioning crew and we were told to fire the short charges as opposed to turning them in when we off loaded the rest of the ammo.
@BOb94523
@BOb94523 2 жыл бұрын
USCGC Ingram 1965 GM2
@olsurferguy1
@olsurferguy1 2 жыл бұрын
Today, I learned a lot about something I always wondered about! These videos and Mr. Ryan’s lectures are most enjoyable.
@mikeowen9268
@mikeowen9268 2 жыл бұрын
I bet you could 3D print some inert grains of propellant and sell them in the gift shop. Unique and probably inexpensive souvenir.
@My12521252
@My12521252 2 жыл бұрын
I'll take 10!!! What a cool idea
@jeremyperala839
@jeremyperala839 2 жыл бұрын
Or go old school and use the Play-Doh extruder he mentioned. Could use old dog turds picked up in the park for the material. Put a coat of shellac on them to keep the stink down and get them on the shelves.
@yepiratesworkshop7997
@yepiratesworkshop7997 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeremyperala839 They could polish them, too, I suspect.
@rhinehardt1
@rhinehardt1 2 жыл бұрын
I've always liked the way that Ryan explains things thoroughly, but not loaded down with techno-speak, so as to make things difficult to understand. In particular, this video was very informative and entertaining. Good job.
@fredrickmillstead6397
@fredrickmillstead6397 2 жыл бұрын
Fired over our heads in I corps 1969. The sound going overhead was frightening, the results down range were awesome. Always wondered what a high cap round with a proximity fuse (airburst) would have done to any ground target.
@spvillano
@spvillano 11 ай бұрын
Never saw them do their thing in person, but knowing what artillery of smaller mass does, I suspect they ruined quite a few vacation plans. ;)
@johmcerrone3393
@johmcerrone3393 2 жыл бұрын
just was reading about the explosion on the Iowa On 19 April 1989, due to a overram of powder bags ."The team determined that the "tare" or "trim" layer (a small amount of powder placed at the end of each bag to equalize the bag's weight, inserted in the mid-1980s when the powder was mixed and rebagged under Miceli's direction) would often ignite when compressed at high speed. Cooper found that the burning fragments did not ignite adjacent powder in the same bag, but instead would burn through the bag material and ignite the adjacent bag's black powder patch and thereby ignite the rest of the bags."
@HugoFuchs
@HugoFuchs Жыл бұрын
That makes sense, considering the what was heard. Also, the barges they came from apparently had A/C issues. Finally, when not encased in the barrel, those grains become burning shrapnel. Bodies were a mess. 😞
@ripfletching
@ripfletching 2 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad I stumbled across this video as a child I found a large metal case full of these in the woods and of course I took them home and experimented with them for years how crazy
@marleyboy7732
@marleyboy7732 Ай бұрын
Man! Can you imagine the arms of these men who had to roll or try to pick these things up in a rapid pace during a fight? Must have been some really strong dogs back then. Respect!
@kn4cc755
@kn4cc755 Жыл бұрын
Back in the 80's, I was dispatched by my company to a US Arsenal in Virginia to commission a new polythene extrusion operation. The extruder was to operate in a unassuming wood shed in the middle of some very ominous looking bunkers and revetments. I was told about some self-controlled cargo carts that I might see operating very slowly on the narrow roadways and to immediately move off the road entirely if I saw one heading my way and turn off my engine and stop all electrical activity or RF emissions. I took this very seriously - it was easy to guess that the cargo carts and bunkers contained things that got very angry if poked. The end use of my product was briefed to be for the 16" gun propellant packages in some otherwise unexplained way but described here at 3:00. Being prior military myself, I did not question the end use or application as I had no need to know. But now I know what I had a part of making. PS: The place was like a well manicured nature park, in fact there were some magnificent bucks wandering around. No hunting was allowed - obviously.
@spades1080
@spades1080 2 жыл бұрын
I have shot many 1 to 1 1/4 pound loads of black powder charges though 2, 12 pound Napoleons and 3/4 to 1 pound loads though 2 different 6 pound civil war era guns, all cast in 1864 in Cincinnati, Ohio while a member of Battery A, 1st Ohio Light Artillery. It was an awesome unit to re-enact with from Columbus, Ohio.
@jetsonIFY
@jetsonIFY 2 жыл бұрын
In 1967 my next door neighbor would buy 50lb kegs of surplus 20MM powder. He used it for handloading many popular rifle calibers. 3006, 243, 220 swift etc... It would shoot fantastic groups at a few dollars per pound!!
@philperry4699
@philperry4699 2 жыл бұрын
Now _that's_ a keg party!
@paulskopic5844
@paulskopic5844 2 жыл бұрын
This was an extremely interesting and informative presentation that got right to the point and covered most of the technical questions. Excellent.
@Dragineez774
@Dragineez774 2 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to comment that you've inspired me to do a warship binge. I've just come back from visiting Patriot's Point (Yorktown and Laffey), USS North Carolina, and USS Wisconsin. Keep up the great work!
@Jreb1865
@Jreb1865 2 жыл бұрын
The USS North Carolina is a great ship to tour...
@FIREBRAND38
@FIREBRAND38 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta lot of respect that you read the procedure for making nitrocellulose off a card. I'll take correct info over slick presentation any day. Just to clarify though, the perforations in the powder grains allow for even burning after ignition. For example, if there were no perforations and the grain was ignited, the burning would take place over the entire external area of the grain alone releasing an initial amount of gas. As it burns away, however, the area of the cylinder becomes less reducing the amount of gas produced the longer it burns. The perforations provide for the grain to burn inward and outward at the same time so the perforations get wider as they burn just like the outer diameter gets smaller, creating a balanced burning. Generally, powder grains for weapons below 40mm have one perforation down the center while 16-inch gun propellant grains have seven as demonstrated in this video. One ctiticism though, the internal pressure doesn't immediately start to go down as soon as the powder is ignited. The shell is moving down the barrel while the powder is still not all consumed. In fact, a consequence of priming the back of the rear bag means that as pressure is building unburned or still burning powder grains are being pushed up the barrel behind the shell. There is a point at which pressure begins to drop as gas generation can't keep up with the volume of the barrel behind the shell, but it's not immediate. You can find out more about this subject in the 1957 Naval Ordnance and Gunnery Volume I, Chapter 6, Section C _Gun Barrels and Interior Ballistics_ eugeneleeslover.com/US-NAVY-BOOKS/1-NO-10797-A-CHAPTER-6.html
@SethBondArtist
@SethBondArtist 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Always enjoy the content. My wife is a museum professional, so I can relate to a lot of the issues you face. Keep up the excellent work.
@victorcontreras9138
@victorcontreras9138 2 жыл бұрын
What a great informative video! This topic was one that I've wondered about for years. I was a tank crewman in the Army and we only dealt with 90 mm rounds. Keep up the good work!
@TheTh903
@TheTh903 2 жыл бұрын
Loving these videos, I hope you dont worry about us caring about you looking at note cards. You cover so much its incredible and im sure barely anyone else would even know where to start
@jarodstrain8905
@jarodstrain8905 2 жыл бұрын
Dracinifel discussed the efforts at remixing in a video once. The results were less than stellar. It resulted in charges that could vary by 30% from ombre shot to the next. Identical shots had effect variance of as much as 600 meters. Imagine taking the same aim twice and missing the same spot by a quarter mile.
@sliceofbread2611
@sliceofbread2611 2 жыл бұрын
imagine being an infantryman being supported by such inaccurate artillery..
@DiscoR53
@DiscoR53 2 жыл бұрын
Extrusion is the technical term when you’re pushing material through a die.
@jeremyperala839
@jeremyperala839 2 жыл бұрын
Would it be considered a die or a mold?
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeremyperala839 a die can be open ended, a mold encloses the material.iirc
@ke7eha
@ke7eha Ай бұрын
The perforations are to increase the burn rate of the powder. They increase surface area of the grain that is burning. You can tailor also design the perforations to generate a specific pressure curve, depending on the shape and locations of the perforations and how this develops as the propellant burns.
@seantu1496
@seantu1496 2 жыл бұрын
The turret explosion in USS Iowa was during a 5 bag D-846 w/2600lb practice shell experiment. Everything I have read said it was not officially sanctioned by NAVSEA.
@lukebaker1167
@lukebaker1167 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan, your presentation has come a long way!!!! that was/is an excellent explanation.. I was trying to explain grain size and the like to my son ( For my BP cannon) and ill have to admit you have done a better job than my attempt and so therefore his homework is - to watch this episode and then explain propellant grain fundamentals to me!!!! So thanks for helping Charlie boy understand in a way that I know will stick in his head. The whole reason we have kids I think, to teach them stuff!!!!!!! ( so we can then show them they have a long way to go to beat Dad!!!!!!!)
@rolandallegri3750
@rolandallegri3750 2 жыл бұрын
776uyù
@strategosopsikion8576
@strategosopsikion8576 2 жыл бұрын
I love this channel. This delves so deep into the inter workings of these old warships. Soooo coool!
@roadrunnerhome
@roadrunnerhome Жыл бұрын
Incredibly detailed info. Bravo!
@davelewis3255
@davelewis3255 2 жыл бұрын
I know that things don't work this way, but I keep thinking about a low boy trailer carrying a set of Hornady reloading dies, a box car load of Sierra ballistic tip bullets (and the fork lift to move them) and a dump truck full of Hogdon powder. As usual, everybody will be out of stock on the super large super magnum rile primers.
@Jreb1865
@Jreb1865 2 жыл бұрын
The rifle primers would be about an inch across....lol
@w.reidripley1968
@w.reidripley1968 Ай бұрын
In the turrets, there's a primer man with the specific job of putting the electrically fired primer in the back of the charge before the breech is closed. I understand his station is in the breech space just far enough that the big gun's recoil doesn't reach him. These turrets aren't a big armoed box with gun breeches sticking into them, but divided up into numerous small compartments. Wriggling from one to another is like exploring a cave. Each gun breech has such a space. The largest interior space is the back of the turret where the local-control optical rangefinder lives.
@Akula114
@Akula114 2 жыл бұрын
You really communicated your extensive knowledge of the subject well! Even I understood it. Just a little tip from someone whose been in the film and video business for a long time... Get used to looking at the camera lens until you don't think of the glass but of the one guy who is hanging on every word you say. Treat the camera like somebody else just standing there chatting with you. You really need to practice this... it doesn't come easily sometimes, but if you can avoid glancing away from the camera, you'll appear more comfortable and natural. Great work on this amazing ship! Thanks for a great channel!
@philperry4699
@philperry4699 2 жыл бұрын
It looked like they had two cameras going, and he didn't know which one was "live" half the time.
@stevecooper2873
@stevecooper2873 Жыл бұрын
Relax.... for all you know he has taught himself to look around, as if when speaking to a group.
@unknown-ql1fk
@unknown-ql1fk Жыл бұрын
As a precision rifle shooter +/- 5fps is AMAZING. I would have assumed 100fps but thats amazingly tight quality control for the guns/primers/shells/powder
@clayp6415
@clayp6415 2 жыл бұрын
I am glad to see these videos are getting good amount of views and that they continue to be made. This type of history shouldnt be lost to time.
@ccrider5398
@ccrider5398 2 жыл бұрын
In reading about Iowa class battleships, the literature often mentions "dumped" versus "stacked". I think you explained that the practice rounds were "dumped" while the service rounds were "stacked". The books seemed to have extensive tables of "dumped" and "stacked" with associated ranges and muzzle velocities leading me to believe there were multiple uses for these two terms. So the "dumped" grains are just randomly oriented in a bag, while the "stacked" are aligned end to end. Am I understanding this correctly?
@stevehofer3482
@stevehofer3482 2 жыл бұрын
I read that Yamato’s gun barrels were only rated for about 100 full-charge shots. Every time it shot its guns in anger, it cost 1% of the ship’s useful life.
@Wyrmnax
@Wyrmnax 2 жыл бұрын
Barrel, not ship. You can switch barrels withouth throwing the whole ship away. They were not made by Apple.
@stevehofer3482
@stevehofer3482 2 жыл бұрын
@@Wyrmnax Well, I found another site that says barrel life 150-250 rounds, but one of the barrels of Musashi may have been rendered inoperative firing a san-shiki anti-aircraft shell on the day it sunk, so there is nothing precise in those figures. Now, what happens at the end of your barrel life? The barrels of the Yamato-class could not be relined. Only 27 guns were commissioned. 9 were installed on Musashi, 9 on Yamato, two were test guns, and 7 more were earmarked for the Shinano but were never completed. A ship like Yamato might have had a nominal 25 mile range on its guns, but it's chance of hitting a maneuvering target over half that distance was less than 1%, at maximum range, probably less than .1%. An American battleship staying inside the range of its radar-directed gunfire but outside of the range where Yamato's gunfire would have a high-enough hitting position to justify the decrease in barrel life could goad the the Yamato into effectively destroying its own combat effectiveness. At the same tonnage as the Yamato, the US could add two cruisers, say a Brooklyn and a Baltimore class. As soon as Yamato concentrates fire on Iowa, Brooklyn and Baltimore advance. When Yamato deems them a threat and engages a cruiser with the main battery, that cruiser makes smoke and withdraws. The cruisers could easily get within the range of their radar-directed guns, and they could start making mincemeat out of Yamato's upper-deck works. www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP_18-45_t94.php
@stevehofer3482
@stevehofer3482 2 жыл бұрын
@hognoxious You can change the barrels if there are any, but making barrels for guns this big was really the artistic and highly technical part of the job. They are expensive, and Japan didn't make extras.
@Carstuff111
@Carstuff111 2 жыл бұрын
I love these kinds of details. I have always had a love for the technology put into large naval guns.
@andreww2098
@andreww2098 2 жыл бұрын
The Royal Navy switched to Cordite N a triple base propellant in WWII by adding Nitroguanidine to Cordite, this reduce muzzle flash and increased barrel life by lowering the temperature of the shot due to the massive amout on nitrogen produce by the Nitroguanidine when heated, some modern artillery still uses this triple base propellant
@TheRichard991
@TheRichard991 2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite channels, I know your busy but I'd love more recess and void space exploration!
@BattleshipNewJersey
@BattleshipNewJersey 2 жыл бұрын
We've got one coming up on monday!
@gi70st
@gi70st 2 жыл бұрын
@@BattleshipNewJersey AWESOME!!! Cant wait!!
@ghost307
@ghost307 2 жыл бұрын
I remember watching another KZfaq video on how this stuff was made. The propellant gets extruded in the final step of the process and looks a lot like Tootsie Rolls (except that eating one would definitely be contraindicated).
@Shad0wBoxxer
@Shad0wBoxxer 2 жыл бұрын
Well there goes those plans!
@ghost307
@ghost307 2 жыл бұрын
@hognoxious Correct. Interesting trivia...pool balls were made with nitrocellulose starting in 1869. They switched to Bakelite in 1907 because the billiard balls occasionally blew up.
@thorphinnskull-splitter7602
@thorphinnskull-splitter7602 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic job, Ryan. Your videos seem to get better and better. Keep doing what you're doing.
@x1heavy
@x1heavy Ай бұрын
Very well done. I believe they did a shoot into Lebanon on morning news TV once. It was some distance away, the flash, boom reached the camera at different times. I was around middle teens by then. Not much for shooting except a couple of confederate enfields in living history and a few artillery here and there but nothing that would hold up to this level of knowledge and precision present in this wonderful video. I was told by a relative years ago that there was a battleship support off Korea and I have not been able to find much on it. Story goes the ship was shooting at 2000 yards enemy danger close from miles away. The description used by the relative was the sound of manifest high speed boxcar trains of that era rumbling over then the thump with a small pause before the kaboom. Im not much personally, just a old trucker who will die one and frankly followed the artillery in all its forms most of my life and its very good to sit quietly with a coffee pot and soak in this information at this stage in my life. The United States started off with I think DuPont up in the Brandywine Valley near Philly and worked out wards from there. I will share that I witnessed first hand a place near Hawthorne Nevada walker lake once or twice where theres a valley of about 20 miles by 40 if not bigger as the eye can see of storage bunkers maybe 600 yards apart. That at one time in WW2 was the stockpile for the entire Pacific. Ive been told its since closed and no longer in use. So I am the last one to know anything more. I will share that I have been into Remington Arms which is a small arms plant in Arkansas for delivery of Ready Mix Concrete that they would order at one time or another for a little bit here and a little bit there and so on. As they were actively making the powder or propellent in those woods back there I was taught one rule. Red Light stop and stay. Mr Red Light dictates that no one moves until its off for reasons. So... it was a small experience but memorable. Working for Dowdy in Batesville we eventually run Brass Coil Sheets into that plant on the front end docks to be made into small arms rounds. Those brass coils were loaded up in Buffalo NY across from Canada there. There was a foundry there. Its alot of writing for a late night but little tidbits here and there and so on. Aberdeen Ordance Museum had at one time or another a 16 inch naval gun similar if not the same model as the Battleships. So standing in it's tub and consider dealing with it is something. Anzio Annie was something to compare it to. I think they moved it out long ago. Probably to Virginia. I look forward to more of these wonderful videos.
@Train115
@Train115 2 жыл бұрын
Holy cow, you guys are at 61k subs now, you had like 30k a few months ago. I swear I remember seeing like 25k on your channel.
@jaredhildebrandt7210
@jaredhildebrandt7210 2 жыл бұрын
Love what y'all are doing, don't worry so much about the note card, I need one to spell my name some days.
@garybrill5860
@garybrill5860 Ай бұрын
Ryan you are truly an amazing curator. It never ceases to amaze me how you are so descriptive and inclusive in all your presentations. I always lament missing some of them. I was wondering if you ever did one on the manufacturing of the powder bags or where they were manufactured and how. Thanks again you are a joy to us battleship lovers.
@phildeber2697
@phildeber2697 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video Ryan. You are a very good teacher of history. Many thanks.
@tokencivilian8507
@tokencivilian8507 2 жыл бұрын
Biggest charge you ask? 48 grains of IMR 4064 in a 30-06. Somehow, I suspect one could load a few dozen 30-06 size cartridges with the weight of just one grain from those 16" / 50 charges.
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 2 жыл бұрын
Biggest charge I've ever personally fired is M2/M33 ball .50BMG from a ship-mounted Browning M2 machine gun. Nothing that special, though it *is* a *lot* of fun.
@toddcooper2563
@toddcooper2563 2 жыл бұрын
As a Marine Corps machine gunner in the early 80's, the M2 along with the MK19 were my daily toys. As you said, they are not to be compared to the 16" guns, but they still have their place to this date and they still mean business. And yes, they are a hoot to shoot!
@kimmer6
@kimmer6 2 жыл бұрын
I had 2 bolt action target rifles in .50BMG. 1 in 16 barrel twist for both, 30mm Nightforce scopes, Badger 12 bolt scope rings. These were a lot of fun to shoot and to let others including kids to shoot. I hand loaded a thousand plus rounds of fire formed brass, precision primer pockets, special projectiles for 1000 yard use. The muzzle brakes cut the recoil to less than a 12 gage. I fired about 5 rounds out of a 20mm Lahti and that recoil was considerable. Now I do indoor .177 air rifles.
@natwooding9394
@natwooding9394 2 жыл бұрын
Several decades ago I worked with a retired USN officer who said that he had a professor at the Academy who had a cane made from propellant extrusion. Apparently the prof liked to whack it on objects to show that it was stable.
@phantasmo9998
@phantasmo9998 2 жыл бұрын
I was in a mortar unit in the Army. Our cheese charges were bad enough. I can't imagine how lethal these things must be.
@rogue9ine
@rogue9ine 2 жыл бұрын
I was a Quartermaster in the Navy in the late 90's. I'd like to see a video on the Chart room.
@ScumfuckMcDoucheface
@ScumfuckMcDoucheface 2 жыл бұрын
hey, forgive me my (first hand) knowledge of the Navy (and armed forces in general) is severely lacking, but the documentaries I've seen, laaaargely pertaining to the 1800s and before it seems, a "Quartermaster" is someone that worries about supplies and ensuring the troops have all the clothing and rations and weapons and so on that they need... is the term simply used differently in land forces? Thanks so much for your answer.
@genericnpc6379
@genericnpc6379 2 жыл бұрын
In the navy a quartermaster is the primary navigator.
@rogue9ine
@rogue9ine 2 жыл бұрын
@@ScumfuckMcDoucheface In the Navy a Quartermaster is an Enlisted navigator. I used to work with Charts, GPS, and Radar. I believe in the Army a "Quartermaster" works in Supply.
@ScumfuckMcDoucheface
@ScumfuckMcDoucheface 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Ryan man, does your 2 pound charge count if there's no projectile? =) just playing Devil's advocate haha
@exemann
@exemann 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the very detailed and technical explanations!
@larryfairbanks7783
@larryfairbanks7783 2 жыл бұрын
In the early to mid 80s I remember these shells and powder charges coming through NWS Charleston for S&I. Train car after train car. I was absolutely amazed at the size of these shells and charges.
@WalkaCrookedLine
@WalkaCrookedLine 2 жыл бұрын
I was a bit surprised they used silk for the bags. I thought silk was in short supply in WW2. Presumably silk must offer some advantage to be used rather than something cheap like cotton canvas. I wonder what the advantage is?
@jeremyperala839
@jeremyperala839 2 жыл бұрын
I would imagine it was in short supply to consumers because the War Department bought it and used it for powder bags and parachutes, not undies and bed sheets.
@philperry4699
@philperry4699 2 жыл бұрын
@@cliffaksw Yeah, silk leaves very little smoldering residue. Rayon and some wools leave more. Cotton leaves a _lot_. Even though the barrel is blown out before the breech is opened, and the gun captain is supposed to stick his head in an visually inspect before loading, it's not something you want around when shoving bags of propellant into the breech.
@novarandom4278
@novarandom4278 2 жыл бұрын
I have a question, how do you flood a ships powder magazine, I know a lot of ships would do so if they had revived a hit and did not want to risk a magazine explosion, what did that entail? Is it just automatically spraying down the powder bag storage or is the magazine literally filled with water?
@Bob_Betker
@Bob_Betker 2 жыл бұрын
Usually, the magazine will have a high-pressure sprinkler system as well as an intake that allows sea water to enter the magazine when activated. Remember most of the propellant is stored in water-tight, air-tight canisters and only a few canisters were opened at one. time. The high-pressure sprinklers should contain most of the fire and cool it down sufficiently that the propellant in the canisters won't ignite before the water coming in from the sea water intake completely floods the compartment. I came across an excerpt from an USN manual on Stowage and Supply of Ammunition from 1917 states that either system should be capable of flooding the magazine within 20 minutes: www.gwpda.org/naval/w04usams.htm
@novarandom4278
@novarandom4278 2 жыл бұрын
@@Bob_Betker hey thanks for the info
@phillipbouchard4197
@phillipbouchard4197 2 жыл бұрын
For a technical explanation of the Iowa explosion in turret # 2 I recommend reading the book " Explosion aboard the Iowa " by Dr. Richard L. Schwoebel of Sandia National Laboratories . He and his team were hired by the Senate Armed Services Committee to investigate the incident of April 19, 1989 on the Iowa.
@mikerca
@mikerca 2 жыл бұрын
“A Glimpse of Hell” is also a good book about the incident. Names all the players and all the nonsense that was going on, as well as the Navy’s refusal to believe the truth. A movie version of the book came out starring James Caan.
@ightwoman
@ightwoman 2 жыл бұрын
As a teenager (in 1963) I owned and shot a vintage flintlock Charleville musket. I loaded a .64" round ball (+-450 grains) over 190 grains of FFg and each time wondered why I was doing that?? The only recoil mitigation system was my shoulder and it didn't work that well... Thanks for the very detailed description of how the grains were laid in the bag, I would have had not idea! Your videos are always informative and engaging.
@RCAvhstape
@RCAvhstape 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't realize the grains were so big. I've seen the grains used in common rifle cartridges such as .223 or .30-'06 and they look pretty similar except they are tiny. A 2" long grain, yikes!
@thomaskauffman2108
@thomaskauffman2108 2 жыл бұрын
When reloading rifle ammo grains are weight granules or kernels are the size you always go by weight for reloading same for shot shells!!
@HarryTaints
@HarryTaints 2 жыл бұрын
The pressure peaks and then doesn't drop until the shell leaves the barrel. There is propellant burning the entire time even after the shell leaves the barrel. Thats why there is a large fireball that leaves the gun. Propellant is still burning in the open air. Also the shorter barrel doesnt increase the speed of the shell. The shorter barrels needed a faster burning propellant because it has a shorter amount of time to build pressure while the shell was still in the barrel. A perfect load has its charge fully burnt right ass the shell leaves the barrel. If you burn up to fast you will get a slower round speed also if you burn to slow youll throw some of your load out and get a slower round.
@benwelch4076
@benwelch4076 2 жыл бұрын
Learned a lot from this video, I guess I shouldn't have been surprised; giant rifles need giant grains of propellant. The additives to extend barrel life was very cool, I had no idea such a thing even existed. Fascinating! Cheers to you all.
@Idahoguy10157
@Idahoguy10157 2 жыл бұрын
There have been questions on two safety issues with the forty year old powder bags in the battleships returned to service; 1) whether the “fine tuning” for increasing range exceeded safety parameters. 2) whether the storage un air conditioned barges effected the powder’s stability. The point being the questions of whether unsafe practices caused the infamous turret explosion aboard USS Iowa in 1989. Followed up by blaming one guns mate who was allegedly suicidal.
@F-Man
@F-Man 2 жыл бұрын
Yay! More gun stuff!
@cpprcrk1833
@cpprcrk1833 2 жыл бұрын
71.5 gr of H4831 out of my 300 Win Mag is the largest amount of powder that I personally have used , the scale size of each grain of powder is amazing ! I thought it would be same size as rifle powder , just a Helluva lot more ! I was WRONG ! 😳
@johnshepherd8687
@johnshepherd8687 2 жыл бұрын
That was going to be my answer.
@rockets4kids
@rockets4kids 6 ай бұрын
This is the same reason why powder for small arms comes in different grain sizes as well.
@HugoFuchs
@HugoFuchs Жыл бұрын
I was on the shell deck of Turret 3, so technically, the most I've ever fired was probably the 330 lb charge. The higher charges were mostly right out of service by the plankowners. Apparently, there was a firing of a 5-charge of D-846 and one D845 and got some more range (and a thorough chewing out of Seaquist by the Navy), but that was before my time and not my turret.
@codyhilton1750
@codyhilton1750 2 жыл бұрын
Another good video. Had a nice talk with a veteran who served in the USS Iowa during the Korean War.
@nyssfairchild2244
@nyssfairchild2244 2 жыл бұрын
Drachinifel has an interview with the captain of the Iowa. In it he talks about exactly how accurate they got. They could put every shell on the grass of a soccer field.
@mopardoctor9966
@mopardoctor9966 2 жыл бұрын
At a range of 20 miles.
@nyssfairchild2244
@nyssfairchild2244 2 жыл бұрын
@@mopardoctor9966 I forgot to mention that. Yeah, it's crazy.
@leftnoname
@leftnoname 2 жыл бұрын
9 16” HE shells landing in the soccer field could ruin any grounds keeper’s day.
@appleintosh
@appleintosh 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I’d have thought it would be more accurate than that. I guess that’s why we use missiles these days though, you can get a guided missile through the window of a building.
@kcrailroader5297
@kcrailroader5297 2 жыл бұрын
@leftnoname, more like put them out of a job.
@doggonepointgooddogbacking3248
@doggonepointgooddogbacking3248 2 жыл бұрын
I remember the Navy smearing & scape-goating Clayton Hartwig after the 1989 USS Iowa accident.
@LuvBorderCollies
@LuvBorderCollies 2 жыл бұрын
Same here. One of my cousins was in ordnance at the time. Two problems: the old powder was deteriorated and more sensitive. Because of that more care had to be taken when inserting the bags into the barrel. In the Iowa accident its believed the powder bags were rammed too fast and too hard. Yeh, it was a truly scummy thing the Navy brass did trying to cover up the real cause of the explosion. Scuttlebutt had it that the Iowa officers were trying to do a rate of fire that was unwise with old powder. Navy brass must always find a scapegoat, its a time honored tradition.
@appleintosh
@appleintosh 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the navy is currently doing the same thing to the sailor they’re saying burned down the Bonhomme Richard. I’ve heard the evidence against him isn’t very convincing
@morecowbellhockey8038
@morecowbellhockey8038 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve begun to wonder why Ryan avoids this topic so seriously? Across several videos where the topic would organically likely come up, he….alludes to it…..but has never really tackled it head on. I suspect it’s part of the Navy agreement. If so, understandable…..but also very unfortunate. That is a story very worthy of being told. Still, great channel Ryan and thanks for efforts!
@BattleshipNewJersey
@BattleshipNewJersey 2 жыл бұрын
We have done a video on it, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bqpmqZdpyL7agqM.html
@morecowbellhockey8038
@morecowbellhockey8038 2 жыл бұрын
@@BattleshipNewJersey thanks for the reply. Surprised I had missed that one (and did enjoy it) but…..my original point still stands. The accident itself is known about but the story surrounding the event is something still avoided here. I don’t mean it as a criticism per se, just an observation. I understand that it can be a sensitive topic but I also believe that a lot of hard lessons should have been learned, at least I hope so, and that the navy will be better off for it no matter how many lumps they need to take.
@jerrydonquixote5927
@jerrydonquixote5927 Ай бұрын
When I was in the Navy, the two ships I was on, a destroyer and a frigate, we had 5 inch guns. I used to love the gun shoots!
@billmason2785
@billmason2785 2 жыл бұрын
This is so well presented. Many thanks 👍
@brianalford5754
@brianalford5754 2 жыл бұрын
The navy should have kept the battleship and used rocket propelled shells.
@ScumfuckMcDoucheface
@ScumfuckMcDoucheface 2 жыл бұрын
haha hell Yeah, can you imagine? The way troops describe the sound of shells flying overhead already as "freight train like"... just throw a rocket on the end of one... and then...? haha
@brianalford5754
@brianalford5754 2 жыл бұрын
@@ScumfuckMcDoucheface it would be like the M982 artillery shell. It’s just rocket assisted on the beginning stage before it leaves the barrel. It should sound the same just a whole lot faster.
@ScumfuckMcDoucheface
@ScumfuckMcDoucheface 2 жыл бұрын
@@brianalford5754 i dont know the designation you're refferencing but I've heard of rocket assisted shells (and dropped bomb) that use the rocket to navigate and target select well off the gravity assisted ballistic trajectory... totally awesome, for sure.
@demonprinces17
@demonprinces17 2 жыл бұрын
Hard on the barrels
@philperry4699
@philperry4699 2 жыл бұрын
There have been a number of rocket-assisted shells designed and even used, from WWII onward. They light off at some point _after_ leaving the muzzle. Two big problems: 1) if the shell isn't perfectly aligned when the motor lights (e.g., some wobble) accuracy goes all to hell, and 2) the rocket propellant etc. reduces the amount of bursting charge the shell can carry (more or less fixed volume).
@joshuamitcham1519
@joshuamitcham1519 2 жыл бұрын
Buff HE! Nerf Concealment of DD's!
@lcarus42
@lcarus42 2 жыл бұрын
AP should cause flooding on DDs
@Pete856
@Pete856 Ай бұрын
Those holes in the grains do more than ensuring an even burn, they actually cause the powder to burn at an accelerating rate as the projectile gets further down the barrel....in doing so, the pressure in the barrel doesn't drop off as fast as it otherwise would. If the grains didn't have holes, then as the powder burns inward the burning surface area decreases causing a drop in gas release. By putting a single hole in the center, as the outside rate decreases the inside increases and the gas release remains constant. By putting many holes in it, the area inside which is burning increases much faster than the outside decreases, so the burn rate accelerates.
@JoeKubinec
@JoeKubinec 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome presentation. Thank you.
@johnslaughter5475
@johnslaughter5475 2 жыл бұрын
Well, now, all of us who have read that women couldn't have silk stalkings during WWII know why. The silk was being burned up in the barrels of our battleships.
@ericcorse
@ericcorse 2 жыл бұрын
Or parachute silk
@unitedwestand5100
@unitedwestand5100 2 жыл бұрын
@@ericcorse ,. Or maybe it was this; Japan was the sole supplier of silk to the US, and deteriorating trade relations in 1941 cut off the supply. ... To protect this precious resource, the Office of Production Management (OPM) seized the nation's supply of raw silk on August 2, 1941 It lead to the development of nylon, and Rayon.
@unitedwestand5100
@unitedwestand5100 2 жыл бұрын
@@ericcorse ,. To go with my last comment; Bag Ammunition - Propellant bags were primarily manufactured from a raw silk also known as "cartridge cloth" or else from a special coarse wool twilled on both sides known as "shalloon." Unlike cotton, these materials burn without leaving any smoldering residue in the barrel which would present a safety hazard when loading the subsequent round. Shalloon was used by most nations as it was relatively inexpensive but silk was preferred in the USN as it reduced barrel wear. Bags made from Rayon rather than silk were used in the USN for some guns after a serious propellant fire aboard USS South Dakota BB-57 in 1945 was traced to a spark generated when a silk bag was removed from its metallic container. www.navweaps.com/Weapons/Gun_Data_p2.php Silk was not as important as you think. And, it wasn't the only thing used.
@georgesakellaropoulos8162
@georgesakellaropoulos8162 2 жыл бұрын
As opposed to getting other barrels ready for action lol.
@philperry4699
@philperry4699 2 жыл бұрын
@@unitedwestand5100 Nylon already existed (ca. 1938) and I think Rayon ("artificial silk") was already in use by 1941, but the ban on silk led to their expanded use. Of course, Nylon (and Rayon?) was reserved for parachute use once war broke out. I don't know if they ever found a good substitute for silk in powder bags.
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