1800's Early Charles Leon (C.L.) Guinand Full Hunter Pocket Watch Restoration

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Repair job on a late 1800s CL Guinand (of the Guinand Frères company in Les Brenets), an 18 sized Swiss made Antique Pocket Watch. The watch was purchased on auction and doesn't work.
The balance wheel was missing screws and the hairspring was out of shape. The movement was overall very dirty and likely hasn't been serviced in a century. The crystal was also shattered and needed replacement.
The Guinand Frères company was founded in 1865 in Switzerland by brothers Julien-Alcide and Charles Leon. They operated in a town situated on the border of France, close to many other French watchmakers who settled in this area during the French Revolution.
I am an amateur who enjoys restoring vintage watches to working order. Constructive critiques of the process are welcome. I am always learning.
Contact info: cspinnerwatchrepair@gmail.com
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro and Disassembly
8:01 Cleaning and Polishing
9:25 Movement Assembly
16:20 Casing the Movement
17:00 New Crystal
17:53 Let's Stare at It
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Пікірлер: 66

@peter84624 3 ай бұрын

The pallet fork looks interesting!

@lesfrost169 5 ай бұрын

You just helped me figure out what is missing on my Grade 27 Elgin which I had apart last week. As you were taking this watch apart I spotted you removing the over-wind protection star. When I opened my watch the winding index was in place but there was nothing on the post beside it. I had no idea what was missing and just hoped it wasn't something important. It is back together now but if I come across a star at some point I will know to save it for my watch. Thanks. Love your videos.

@csspinner 5 ай бұрын

I’m glad I could be of some help! I later learned that this mechanism does more than protect from overwinding. It’s called the Geneva Stop-Work and this video goes into detail how it functions: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/op2TrKua2rG7pY0.htmlsi=yALPddsP7Xo21pd7

@dsb1763 Жыл бұрын

One thing I miss is your commentary. It was nice having you discuss the history of the watch and your actions.

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

Thanks. In these earlier videos I was still a little shy about narrating

@rickkearn7100 Жыл бұрын

Fabulous work. Top shelf. Your knowledge of this craft, self-taught, is very impressive. Great content, production and presentation. Cheers.

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for the kind comment!

@peter84624 3 ай бұрын

I have almost the same watch at home! The back is different, but the movement seems to be identical. It's still running...

@jdmccorful Жыл бұрын

Very nice restart! Enjoyed watching, thanks.

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

Thanks- love breathing new life into these time pieces.

@jimmykao3355 Жыл бұрын

Bravo. Nice work on the hairspring.

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Jimmy!

@joelgoodwin4092 Жыл бұрын

You did an amazing job on this fine time peace. Well done 👍

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

Thank you !!

@georgejamison3782 10 ай бұрын

Just seeing this video now. Beautiful work on a gorgeous watch!

@csspinner 10 ай бұрын

Thanks, George!!

@romeldphillips3146 Жыл бұрын

Great job

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Romeld

@dickieadcock Жыл бұрын

I have never seen a pilot fork that is straight. Thank you for this video.

@SkyBlue-le7cd Жыл бұрын

Impressive work on the balance. Watch is beautiful. Thanks.

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

Thank you !

@maestromecanico597 10 ай бұрын

Absolutely marvelous. And I say this because my interests and collection are mostly of the railroad grade variety. Seeing a piece like this I know what the parts are but not in quite this layout. Thank you for sharing.

@csspinner 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for the comment!!

@eugenioanido1289 6 ай бұрын

Chapeau...brabo.!!!!

@ehun 11 ай бұрын

On older silver cases that are not blackened..I think the mellow glow of the old patina should be saved, just ultrasonic cleaned.

@csspinner 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. I also recently learned I can clean silver with sodium bicarbonate, if needed

@3576alan Жыл бұрын

You deserve more views.

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

I’ve yet to figure out the “algorithm”

@BigFuckingPig Жыл бұрын

Man, this is magnificent, especially your job on the balance wheel! I saw only stopwatches and chronographs from C.L.Guinand, with Jules Racine movements, I think.

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words

@curingabettoni4310 Жыл бұрын

Magnífico um espetaculo, graciez (Brasil)

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@robertlassiter907 4 ай бұрын

Some of the older Swiss watches you’ve worked on had very refined and elegant movements. This is the second one I’ve noticed that seems to be shall we say somewhat unrefined. Is it just the difference in quality or price when new. Just curious.

@karlhammer8151 Жыл бұрын

The time of Napoleon 1, what a rarity!!!

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

Thanks for visiting!

@karlhammer8151 Жыл бұрын

@@csspinner I've always liked watches.

@karlhammer8151 Жыл бұрын

What a beauty! It is not clear how they could have made such small screws 200 years ago? And why didn't they add a repeater? A watch would be more attractive.

@de-bodgery Жыл бұрын

What's the curly bit on the end of the pallet fork do? Some sort of counter weight perhaps? I guess it's only in very old pocket watches that you see these "sideways" pallet forks. In more modern stuff, they are all pretty much the same part.

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

Not sure if it serves any real purpose. I’d be interest to hear others’ opinions though

@de-bodgery Жыл бұрын

@@csspinner LOL...just there as decoration? Sure why not?

@rogers531 Жыл бұрын

Undo the four little screws.

@user-iv9qj7ys3y Жыл бұрын

The winding arbor is supposed to be unscrewed into two pieces . Another possibility is that the two pieces are held together by a pin. Either way I would leave it as it is and try to clean it as best as I could. In most cases it is nearly impossible to separate the Arbor. And another thing, I noticed that you polished the casing of the watch. In your place I would not do it and I would just clean the case in ultra sonic. In that way, the patterns of the case are preserved and the case is clean. Other than that, nice job. 😀

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment! I’ll pay attention next time I work on a watch with that kind of winding arbor to see if I can get it apart.

@user-iv9qj7ys3y Жыл бұрын

@@csspinner But be careful. If it doesn't move, just leave it as it is.

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

@@user-iv9qj7ys3y exactly. Same thought I had with this one. Didn’t want to do anything irreversible. It cleaned up just fine the way it was

@TimTellsTime Жыл бұрын

I did one of these watches a few months ago and I believe that is a Geneva Stopworks feature, not an overwind protection star. But I suppose it could help prevent overwinding the watch. The way I installed it was to count how many turns till a full wind and set it so the springs stays at a more consistent torque curve for better time keeping. Unless I'm wrong and have no idea what I'm talking about lol

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

You’re absolutely right, Tim. I have since learned it restricts the wind to about 4 out of the 6 turns (effectively eliminating the first and last winds )

@TimTellsTime Жыл бұрын

@@csspinner thank goodness. There’s always the risk of looking stupid when posting a comment lol. I love all your videos. Looking forward to more.

@lesfrost169 5 ай бұрын

I have spend a bit of time trying to look up any reference to the protection star. Nothing found. I am guessing they fell out of use fairly quickly and mine, being missing shouldn't cause a problem. I did leave the winding index in place. Should it come out when the star isn't there? Thanks, les

@csspinner 5 ай бұрын

Look up “Geneva Stop-Work”.

@manecobeirao Жыл бұрын

Prezado amigo, me pareceu que a caixa desse relógio é de prata. Nesse caso, o ideal para limpa-la de sujeira e oxidação é faze-la usando uma solução concentrada de bicarbonato de sódio dissolvido em um pouco de água, bem pouco . Deixe de molho por 24 horas. A prata fica perfeitamente limpa. Qualquer resquício de oxidação que reste sai esfregando a ponta dos dedos. Passo ao amigo essas instruções, pois coleciono, moedas de prata e para não danifica-las, me utilizo desse recurso. Grande abraço e parabéns pela recuperação desse maravilhoso relógio.

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

eu vou lembrar disso. obrigado pelo seu comentário!

@de-bodgery Жыл бұрын

I think that berral gear is pres fit on the arbor shaft. Probably frozen on there from 200 years of being in place! Pocket watch parts are so large compared to wrist watches. Look at the bridges on this thing! Each one does one thing and they are easily 3X larger than a similar part on a wrist watch that has 3 jewels and holds several things.

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

Always amazed by these time pieces

@de-bodgery Жыл бұрын

@@csspinner In this modern age of digital tech and everyone having smart phones, I have no use for an old mechanical watch. I don't even wear the really nice Casio digital watch I own! Never the less, just to have a piece of old history like this, I'm seriously considering buying one.

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

@@de-bodgery I hear ya. I’m not a collector of watches, but I do enjoy fixing them. I kept one or two for myself but my “daily driver” is still the Apple Watch. Keeps great time but lacks a soul ;)

@derverwirrte9600 Жыл бұрын

I have a similar pocket watch and i've been wondering how the mainsprin arbor (5:42) comes apart. I find it quite amusing that I am not the only one to struggle. Btw I came to the same conclusion and just left it in place

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

It cleaned up just fine as is! i’ll figure it out one of these days :)

@derverwirrte9600 Жыл бұрын

@@csspinner yeah me to and I didnt expect an Answer this fast wow

@fveggerby 12 күн бұрын

How much would a watch like this be worth? I Bought 1 a couple of months ago at a flea market. The signature is similar, but not the same, and though the number is stamped inside the outer "flap" and also inside the inner "flap". (8280) The movement is VERY, close to being the same, I'm 99% sure, that at least one of "my" hands is not original. It runs, but need a service. (10 min off a days) But I won't take it to any jeweler.

@tonyaxeman4381 10 ай бұрын

I really hate to find a hack had previously worked on a watch .

@leechjim8023 5 ай бұрын

Are the screws, or are they screwed!😂😂😂

@de-bodgery Жыл бұрын

One of these days you will run into a pocket watch that isn't solid silver and you'll wear right through to the brass underneath! I hope you can electroplate silver.

@csspinner Жыл бұрын

For sure. I wouldn’t dare refinish a plated or “filled” case like this