Those episodes were brilliant! Thank you to everyone involved.

Very enjoyable listen all around. P1 and P2 are my 1st experience with your channel. Keep up the good work.

This needs to happen again

Loved the warts analogy depicting viewing historical figures in a modern perspective. Dan Carlin is the man, great shows.

That's a wonderful show. As a Dan Carlin follower (that guy should be the freaking US president). Regarding remembrance, as an Israeli Jew, the holocaust molds our daily life. Whether we would like it or not. Our ancestors were basically wiped out. It damaged our mental/physical/emotional life and it still very alive today. a big section came here without no family (even basics staff like no grandpa/uncles to help with the kids education, physical & holocaust of entire regions), even if we try to forget it, it's noted in every aspect of our life.

Brilliant conversation with Dan. He’s an absolute legend. Please have him back on again soon!

Great conversation. And yes, I would also choose Samurai.

I was born in 1980 in America, and we absolutely were taught to revere the founders. They were definitely presented as borderline saints.

love this. you can truly learn from these guys. especialy how some people think and relate to history.

Thank you Dan for introducing me to these excellent gentlemen. I must confess that my only takeaway from both episodes is "the grit that produces the pearl". Thus I am impelled toward a groundhog day replay horizon.

Carlin is fantastic! I've been listening to him for about 10 years. The only problem is that they don't come out often enough.

"Nothing changes more than the past" -Bill Boze Bell, executive editor of True West Magazine

"moss covered queen" - I guffawed in solidarity with that particular characterisation.

Very good show. You got a sub. Love Dan. Thanks guys.

I think most people cherry pick their history whether they know it or not.

“Pray for your moss covered Queen” did not age well😬😂

Brilliant!

Great episode!

8:40 about old hatreds having to be deliberately revived is very interesting, given that the Serbian revolution set the formula for all the Color Revolutions since, even down to the Otpor stenciled-fist logo that they all bear. And I mean *all* Color Revolutions including, presumably, the one that's been going on in America. I'm sure if you had told Americans in the year 2000 that they'd be refighting the Civil War in a few decades they'd have laughed. It took a long campaign of deliberate re-division to get us where we currently are, and we're chumps for having fallen for it.

So good.

"those all suck, don't they?" XD

Brilliant.

Samurais expected a certain level of behavior of the masters so if you chose them it would limit your freedom to an extent.

Well, with the Serbs during the Yugoslav wars it was far less the Battle of Kosovo (though this has certainly been turned into a myth of its own) but more the still present memory of the genocide committed against Serbs in WW II by Croat fascists in Croatia and Bosnia. Between 300- and 600.000 were killed, many of them so atrociously even the SS protested. When Croat nationalism reemerged and Croatian independence seemed a possibility, there were a) Croat nationalists that openly glorified the Croat fascist regime of WW II, and b) Serbs going from Serb village to Serb town to Serb village just whispering the word: Jasenovac (which was the main Croat concentration camp), stirring up old fears, and in some, undoubtedly, the lust for revenge they thought they had been denied after 1945. That played a large role in Bosnia, too, though there it is a bit more complicated. This wasn't helped by the fact that that sense of victimhood started permeating popular culture in the 1990's already. Even cultural icons of Yugoslav unity were re-interpreted to (in that case retropsectively) justify Serb war crimes in the 1990's with the genocide against the Serbs in the 1940's. I did a story on the perhaps most appalling of these cases on my blog, dealing with the appropriation of Yugoslavia's most popular song from 1988 on: balkanstories.net/2015/11/20/the-day-music-lost-its-innocence/ Here, a serious reckoning with history would have helped. Sadly, historical research about the genocides in Yugoslavia in WW II wasn't exactly encouraged in socialist Yugoslavia. The regime feared that this might undermine national unity. The reckoning was always superficial, and so rumors started circulating under the surface that made the already atrocious reality of WW II even worse or, that in other cases, denied anything serious had happened at all. Conversely, Croat nationalists thought that they had been victims of the Yugoslav regime in particular, and that their fascist regime in WW II had served noble goals, if somewhat overzealously at times, and that they had been denied the fruits of their heroism.

@36:03 I don't believe Putin ever said "the Ukrainian government are all neo-Nazis", however it is factually correct to say that there are in fact sizeable factions of the Ukrainian military with neo-Nazi elements who openly identify as such with public admiration of infamous Ukrainian Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera who has a statue dedicated to him in the western Ukrainian city of Lviv.

Tom the Wise :)

Forget germ theory for a start

Dan was in Italy during the Brigato Rosso era probably ...now there's a story worth looking at ! ps Putin was right about Z , we all know that now

Hey viewers! How 'bout a thumbs up.

These men need to learn the art of jelqing.

I'm sorry but I have to correct your assumption on how heroes were viewed in the United States. I grew up in the seventies and people like George Washington or Abraham Lincoln were 100% presented as unflawed demigods. Now that's how they were being presented to students I'm sure that people reading the New York times or regular book readers had an understanding that there was much more to these people and a lot of it wasn't good.

Statues of the founding fathers and Churchill weren't erected because they were racists. They were erected because of the amazing things they accomplished. Focusing on traits everyone had at the time for political advantage is gross, disgusting and deceitful. They were intimately involved in creating a world where racism is no longer accepted for the first time in human history. That is just part of their legacies.

I found where Dan hides

Guys I live in the UK, from what I see it IS decadent! Otherwise I found this good podcast

It's really quite odd to hear people so well-versed in the history of the first two millennia of the "Common Era" completely stumble and misunderstand (or at the very least misrepresent) current events in the modern geopolitical sphere.

What now, 10 June ‘24, in Ukraine, history boys?

This podcast didn't age well on a lot of current events. Opps