#1886

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IMSAI Guy

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Ай бұрын

Episode 1886 chip of the day
constant current diodes
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@Manf-ft6zk
@Manf-ft6zk Ай бұрын
I heard of that before, that they repack the leftover Easter bunnies as Santa clauses. Now I see it also happens with Junction FETs.
@MattBaker1965
@MattBaker1965 Ай бұрын
This is news to me. Great work.
@andymouse
@andymouse Ай бұрын
This is the sort of stuff you can only pay for in Gold ! why wasn't I taught this ? lol Great chip of the day ! in case you didn't know I love chip of the day !......cheers.
@user-zf5rz2iy7o
@user-zf5rz2iy7o Ай бұрын
And here are some notes on using a JFET for a current regulator: 1. Select a transistor with a minimum Vth for low supply voltage operation. 2. Select a transistor with a Idss slightly greater than, or equal to the desired output current. 3. The transfer characteristics of the JFET have a thermally stable point. If you establish the current at this point, it will not depend on temperature. 4. Be mindful of power dissipation and thermal effects on drain current. CRDs are very useful parts, but they are rare and cost like a wing of Jumbo Jet! For this reason they never got popular or mass produced. Also it is much cheaper to take two(or more) BJTs and make the same thing.
@robinbrowne5419
@robinbrowne5419 Ай бұрын
Cool 👍 I like the fact that a simple pot makes a variable current source. Also the fact that it is a 2 wire device which should be able to go almost anywhere in the circuit where you need a current source.
@beakytwitch7905
@beakytwitch7905 12 күн бұрын
The 78xx devices can also be used as constant current sinks, or the 79xx constant current sources. Basically you put a load across the regulated voltage output, and the constant current is what flows from the "unregulated" supply through the regulator. Since the breakdown voltage can be as high as 40 V and the current can be from milliamps to an amp, they could be used in vacuum tube circuits.
@MrSlehofer
@MrSlehofer Ай бұрын
Diotec in europe still makes these, such as the CL40M45. Lovely little parts, like zener diodes they exploit the reverse bias properties of diodes, but instead of a specific reverse breakdown they have a specific somewhat constant reverse leakage current. Forward characteristic is basically identical to a normal diode.
@user-zf5rz2iy7o
@user-zf5rz2iy7o Ай бұрын
Diotec parts are bipolar, they are for much higher currents, and are marketed as LED drivers.
@pault6533
@pault6533 Ай бұрын
Thanks for doing this! (It was my request). As interesting as I expected. The variable version is a bonus! PS Would be interested in your take on the varactor diode too🥸
@IMSAIGuy
@IMSAIGuy Ай бұрын
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@pault6533
@pault6533 Ай бұрын
@@IMSAIGuy Thanks for taking the time to find these for me!
@stamasd8500
@stamasd8500 Ай бұрын
This is exactly why I keep a bunch of J310 on hand, they make nice constant current sources which you can tailor to your needs with one resistor. Specifically the J310 is good for that because it has a high Idss and that gives you a wide range of adjustment. In fact, the Idss of these parts is so high (30-60mA in the datasheet) that it confuses those cheap component testers, doesn't read it as a JFET but rather either as a resistor, or as two diodes back to back. :) Try it, it's fun.
@PTigris
@PTigris Ай бұрын
The LM134, LM234 and LM334 are very good current sources too.
@KarlAdamsAudio
@KarlAdamsAudio Ай бұрын
One of my favourite tricks with a popular condenser microphone circuit that uses an emitter follower to drive the output transformer was to figure out the current in the emitter resistor, then substitute a current regulator diode of appropriate value.
@VEC7ORlt
@VEC7ORlt Ай бұрын
What does that achieve?
@KarlAdamsAudio
@KarlAdamsAudio Ай бұрын
The emitter follower will have lower distortion, especially at larger voltage swings, and will also get marginally closer to unity gain. In practical terms, not much difference at all, but the theory behind it is sound, and it's an easy substitution to do.
@VEC7ORlt
@VEC7ORlt Ай бұрын
@@KarlAdamsAudio oh, active load, yeah, that makes sense! I'd use 2 transistor ccs - seems a bit easier to tune.
@KarlAdamsAudio
@KarlAdamsAudio Ай бұрын
Yes, the constant current diode only makes sense as an easy retrofit to an existing PCB, replace one two-terminal device with another - not something you'd do in a clean-sheet design.
@ats89117
@ats89117 Ай бұрын
Using multiple JFETs in series with all the bases tied together and a source resistor can provide a much better current source. A J111 feeding a J112 feeding a J113 string gives really good results with sufficient burden voltage.
@KarlAdamsAudio
@KarlAdamsAudio Ай бұрын
I've used this idea too - it can perform really well, although as I recall there is also a bandwidth tradeoff in adding extra JFETs. Impressively constant current vs voltage, though.
@markp5726
@markp5726 Ай бұрын
Recently, I was looking at what jfets digikey has. I was surprised to see the power ratings - 63A at 1.2KV, for example. I guess the process parameters for SiC favor making JFETs rather than bipolar or MOS.
@qutube100
@qutube100 Ай бұрын
OHHHhM curve tracer of loveliness design me a constant current circuit that operates variably to two amps ohhhhhmmmmm!
@byterock
@byterock Ай бұрын
'Acrossed' you giving away your Upper Midwest upbringing ;)
@joeteejoetee
@joeteejoetee Ай бұрын
Down South people pronounce the word HeigHT, as HeigTH.
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA Ай бұрын
Current is very variable, depending on doping, so thus the huge number of binnings as to current.
@goosgitaar
@goosgitaar Ай бұрын
❤ Jfet s they Sound good to
@MsFireboy2
@MsFireboy2 Ай бұрын
Awe another idea for the old differential amplifier. Your thoughts on this?
@reedreamer9518
@reedreamer9518 Ай бұрын
Interesting
@mr1enrollment
@mr1enrollment Ай бұрын
cute - never heard of that B4
@paulpaulzadeh6172
@paulpaulzadeh6172 Ай бұрын
JFET you connected is current sink , NOT current source .
@p_mouse8676
@p_mouse8676 Ай бұрын
These are great little devices, but are becoming kinda absolute these days unfortunately.
@rtybn2012
@rtybn2012 Ай бұрын
I was watching one of your videos and you said at one time that you worked at HP. I have acquired an HP 8601A sweep generator for a rather low cost for an unknown problem. It turns out that the -75V regulator does not work. I have found a replacement for one of the transistors but not the other one. Its HP part number is 1854-0037 in is a PNP and used a current source for the error amp. Any help would most appreciated.
@IMSAIGuy
@IMSAIGuy Ай бұрын
1854 is NPN hparchive.com/Bench_Briefs/HP-Bench-Briefs-1974-01-02.pdf www.qsl.net/n9zia/hp/HP_Cross_Reference.pdf hparchive.com/PARTS/300-hpxref.pdf
@rtybn2012
@rtybn2012 Ай бұрын
@@IMSAIGuy I have the schematic and shows it is a PNP. The 1854-0037 is not listed. How would it effect the the circuit if I used a common type of a PNP transistor.
@markusberg2770
@markusberg2770 Ай бұрын
@@rtybn2012Interesting, I also read the HP schematic as PNP: 1854-0037 PNP Current Transistor. Unfortunately, after searching a digitized schematic for over 20 minutes, I did not find a parts list either. You’ll notice, though, some of the itemized parts offer a substitution.
@markusberg2770
@markusberg2770 Ай бұрын
2N3251A could be an appropriate alternative?
@rtybn2012
@rtybn2012 Ай бұрын
@@markusberg2770 Thanks for the info. I checked the specs, they looked good.I ordered some from E-Bay.
@AndyFletcherX31
@AndyFletcherX31 Ай бұрын
Those expensive constant current diodes don't even have a good stability or accuracy. I can't imagine why anyone would use them when there are better and cheaper alternatives.
@hobbified
@hobbified Ай бұрын
Why aren't these more common for LED drivers? Cost?
@VEC7ORlt
@VEC7ORlt Ай бұрын
At low power resistors are cheaper, at higher powers they are pointless efficiency wise.
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA Ай бұрын
@@VEC7ORlt Yes mostly cost, as driving a LED a resistor is very cheap, under a cent cost wise, and with a limited supply voltage the brightness change is not an issue. Having a device where a resistor can replace it for 5% of the cost means it will never be used. The constant current diode is really a specialist device, mostly used where you need constant current over a wide input voltage range.
@SkippiiKai
@SkippiiKai Ай бұрын
They kinda are, or at least were. I remember buying a pack from Mouser, probably 12 years ago, specially made for driving LEDs. I think they were only like 50 cents each, but being only 20mA at a max of 90v, they have a pretty narrow usefulness.
@SkippiiKai
@SkippiiKai Ай бұрын
The TL431 can perform a similar function, is way more versatile, and cheaper. Even the tiny half watt LEDs will want over 100mA, so a 1 to 35ma supply isn't helpful without an amplifier - in which case there are better ways to do it. Even the little through-hole 5mm LEDs will take 20mA, but those aren't going to be used in a circuit likely to have wide voltage swings, which is the application where these are useful.
@SkippiiKai
@SkippiiKai Ай бұрын
I think you either drew the potentiometer wrong in the schematic, or it's not doing what you said it's doing. The JFET is still 100% on, since the gate is still grounded. The current only changes because it's going through the resistor. I think you meant to have the pot change the current to the base to change how turned on the transistor is to vary the current.
@misterhat5823
@misterhat5823 Ай бұрын
Nope. The current through the pot develops a negative gate voltage, with respect to the source, and that lowers the current to below Idss.
@windshield11
@windshield11 Ай бұрын
Similar things are done with vacuum tubes, you add a cathode resistor so that the grid is "pushed up" and you get less amplification. In reality the reference point of the grid goes up so the total voltage difference grid to cathode decreases. You'd usually bypass this with a cap so that you get more bass.
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