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1927 "VARSITY DRAG" Played On Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph Early Model A-250 (Disc

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MusicBoxBoy

MusicBoxBoy

Күн бұрын

Here is a hard to find 1927 electrically recorded jazz Edison Diamond Disc record from my collection, "The Varsity Drag", by Ernie Golden and His Hotel McAlpin Orchestra on Diamond Disc #52109. I played this on my early model Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph model A-250 with louvered sides. I also included a few of my Edison Diamond Disc Edisonic reproducers just for fun. As always, thanks for stopping in for a visit and I hope you enjoy the video!

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@sidibill
@sidibill 5 жыл бұрын
It could be a good thing to tell people who have never experienced an old player, Edison or Victor, that with the lid shut there is a lot less record noise.
@MinaSmol
@MinaSmol 2 жыл бұрын
The movie, “Good News”, was where this song came from, also, the movie was provided by “Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer”.
@thatrecord5313
@thatrecord5313 4 жыл бұрын
How rare to see an Edison Disc with ACTUAL jazz on it, though he was a little too late....
@Bruce15485
@Bruce15485 2 жыл бұрын
Edison only recorded 'cheap' artists ! I do not think you will find a 'star' artist on Edison recordings ! Edison was about the recording not the artist !
@MikeJones-do1xv
@MikeJones-do1xv 2 жыл бұрын
Edison had nothing to do with jazz. That changed with he turned control over to his 2 sons in the mid 20s. Way too little too late. Before then Edison had to approve that every record fit his musical tastes before being pressed. It was never about what the public demanded. It was always about what Edison wanted.
@hyzercreek
@hyzercreek Ай бұрын
@@Bruce15485 Edison discovered Rachmaninov
@TheWorldOfBudgetVinylRecords
@TheWorldOfBudgetVinylRecords 11 жыл бұрын
I love 20's jazz, it has such a intense feeling of optimism. Varsity Drag, Charleston, and Rhapsody In Blue are certainly the greatest and most prolific pieces to come out of this time.
@larryware1
@larryware1 4 жыл бұрын
I'm always amazed at the variety of instruments featured on most Diamond Disc recordings, and how well each are presented. Edison sound engineers did a fabulous job of mixing the sound on these records - unmatched my any other record company of that time period. Loved this selection. I just obtained a 1922 C-19 Diamond Disc phonograph from Decatur, IL with a full compliment of records. Most of the selections are the later paper labels and are dance records. I find these to be the best of the Diamond Discs. It's hard not to like this era of music. Thank you, "MusicBoxBoy" for taking the time to share your information, the history, and your rare recordings with us.
@albertnortononymous9020
@albertnortononymous9020 11 ай бұрын
“Mixing” hadn’t been invented yet. The whole band played at the same time in front of one recording horn, and to make instruments louder or softer, the instrument was moved further towards or away from the recording horn, and it had to be done before they started playing, or they would have choreographed soloists or small groups to move closer to the horn at different points in the piece and then back away. Either the engineers knew exactly what instruments to put closer to and farther away from the horn before they started recording, or the band had to do dozens of takes to see which spatial configuration sounded the best, both equally impressive.
@Jersey2tall86
@Jersey2tall86 8 жыл бұрын
Skip to about 7:42 to bypass the detailed background on the phonograph and get right to the song.
@rEdf196
@rEdf196 8 жыл бұрын
I heard many obscure oddities on Edison discs but Varsity Drag is the best song of them all.
@johnwynne-qx6br
@johnwynne-qx6br Жыл бұрын
Wonderful, nice to go back in time for a while. Thankyou for sharing
@vinyleyezz
@vinyleyezz 8 жыл бұрын
This is so cool!
@james-flynn1938
@james-flynn1938 6 жыл бұрын
Vinyl Eyezz it's marvellous I collect 78
@zack4382
@zack4382 3 жыл бұрын
The amazing thing in that Diamond Disc Phonograph, it doesn't need electricity, or, batterys, or, amplifiers, or, speakers, the sound is very acceptable and very clear, you can use it without power, and you can smell the past comes out from the body wood and the body wood color.
@MusicBoxBoy
@MusicBoxBoy 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your gracious comments. Good to hear that you enjoyed it.
@WirelessPaul
@WirelessPaul 10 жыл бұрын
Now that is a tune I had forgotten its name but not the tune. Great recording `thanks for sharing it with us all
@HarborGuy
@HarborGuy Жыл бұрын
Great find and music.
@SumithDias
@SumithDias Жыл бұрын
Great work...!!! Thanks
@monitortop
@monitortop 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful! Alas, I may have injured myself by going down on my toes and up on my heels, but that wouldn't be the first time. Ridiculously, it makes me sad that I was around when the contents of the McAlpin were being sold off, prior to its demolition.
@SeeburgMusic
@SeeburgMusic 3 жыл бұрын
The building still stands in NYC, it wasn't demolished.
@neilfranklin5644
@neilfranklin5644 4 жыл бұрын
Hey that is amazing sounds as good as my Pasadena roof orchestra c.d
@zacharybowen4247
@zacharybowen4247 6 жыл бұрын
7:54 to bypass background info
@narabdela
@narabdela 4 жыл бұрын
....from a tongue-tied narrator. Why are Americans so bad at this? Aside from the narration, it’s a really interesting video.
@TexasRailfan2008
@TexasRailfan2008 4 жыл бұрын
Zachary Bowen thx for that
@ANameIOnceHad
@ANameIOnceHad 4 жыл бұрын
@@narabdela I rather enjoyed the narration. But, the option is skip is always welcomed.
@SeeburgMusic
@SeeburgMusic 4 ай бұрын
@@narabdela Because we excel at being the only country that matters. I'll take that over fine narration any day.
@narabdela
@narabdela 4 ай бұрын
@@SeeburgMusic 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@muddysledge
@muddysledge 6 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful machine! Fascinating presentation. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
@thesegoto80
@thesegoto80 11 жыл бұрын
Nice to hear the Edison version! My only Edisonic is a gunmetal finish, but it has the early squared-side weight. It's been rebuilt and plays loud and clear!
@idonttrustbarry2629
@idonttrustbarry2629 8 жыл бұрын
for my money, the Edison units always sounded better than the Victrola
@robertmackinnon9666
@robertmackinnon9666 4 жыл бұрын
They also had a better frequency response..
@ZX-zw3ge
@ZX-zw3ge 3 жыл бұрын
You talkin bout those current record players?
@michaelmckenna6464
@michaelmckenna6464 Жыл бұрын
The Edison sound reproducers tracked laterally (side by side) unlike the Victrola sound boxes which tracked vertically (hill & dale or up & down).
@SeeburgMusic
@SeeburgMusic 4 ай бұрын
@@michaelmckenna6464 You have it backwards.
@SeeburgMusic
@SeeburgMusic 4 ай бұрын
@@ZX-zw3ge nobody talks about those.
@bradleylamon3565
@bradleylamon3565 8 жыл бұрын
I have got two copies of the varsity drag in my collection.
@JohnDoe-zh4li
@JohnDoe-zh4li 4 жыл бұрын
How good of condition are they in?
@Westtoledoguy
@Westtoledoguy 10 жыл бұрын
another great machine, and great DD wonderful love the reproducers you must have a wonderful house full of great machines and records, I would be in Heaven
@pcallas66
@pcallas66 5 жыл бұрын
That sounded great!!! Thanks for posting.
@mikepage9783
@mikepage9783 3 жыл бұрын
Very good sound from a 78 thank you
@Bruce15485
@Bruce15485 2 жыл бұрын
I have some of these Edison records and they are labelled 80 RPM.
@MusicBoxBoy
@MusicBoxBoy 11 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome. Good to hear from you again. I enjoyed sharing this.
@Borriaudio
@Borriaudio 10 жыл бұрын
Love this song, first heard it on a LINK 2E coin operated piano. And loved it the first time I heard it. Funny some of my recordings made with my Edison factory acoustic studio head sound this good. I have heard the test recordings when they were setting up Edison's 79 5th ave studio for electrical recording, and trying different amplifiers, and changing out grid capacitors and equalization across the outputs.
@ronedwards6873
@ronedwards6873 9 жыл бұрын
Great video
@jtcarrey
@jtcarrey 7 жыл бұрын
❤️❤️❤️❤️ more more!
@cleanersweep
@cleanersweep 7 жыл бұрын
another great Frank Skinner arrangement
@josephconsoli4128
@josephconsoli4128 3 жыл бұрын
I had no idea there was any "hot" jazz on the thick Edison records. I was only familiar with this cut on Victor by George Olsen. I wonder if it was also on cylinder? I heard they were still being produced in the late '20's. That would super-rare for sure!
@fromthesidelines
@fromthesidelines 2 жыл бұрын
Thomas Edison's musical tastes were more traditional, but had people working for him who *knew* what phonograph listeners wanted to hear. And there was the fact that Edison was virtually deaf towards the end of his life.
@josephconsoli4128
@josephconsoli4128 2 жыл бұрын
@@fromthesidelines It's interesting that Henry Ford had the same mindset. These guys grew-up in the 19th century world where you stuck with the "tried and true". They were lost in the 20th centuries quickly progressing world. It's too bad that Edison did not make a slew of hot jazz dics and cylinders. I know there's only a very precious few.
@MusicBoxBoy
@MusicBoxBoy 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment. Always a pleasure to see a comment from you.
@neilmansfield8329
@neilmansfield8329 2 жыл бұрын
What a great record player
@roybo1930
@roybo1930 6 жыл бұрын
I LOVE This!!! GREAT Record indeed!
@ForrestOutman
@ForrestOutman 4 жыл бұрын
A really great arrangement on that recording, though I personally love the vocal refrain in this song.
@rickos1915
@rickos1915 10 жыл бұрын
Great version. Thanks!
@rrvideos7343
@rrvideos7343 7 жыл бұрын
If only o could like the video twice I would !
@ZX-zw3ge
@ZX-zw3ge 3 жыл бұрын
That looks pretty new.
@bosswhale422
@bosswhale422 Жыл бұрын
Hey! If your edison diomond record player has that stylus on the back left, if you open up that front grill on your player, there is a little holder for it on the front left, which sometimes might be covered up by that gramaphone in the player. Although thats just in my player which is from 1914 thiough. Not sure about yourts.
@Muswell
@Muswell 6 жыл бұрын
Great quality. Brilliant. . I wonder about the family that owned this record... were the girls charleston-ing to it in their front room?
@dawne5139
@dawne5139 6 жыл бұрын
bootsamou I think they would be doing the drag itself. Same high energy as the Charleston.
@therestorationofdrwho1865
@therestorationofdrwho1865 8 жыл бұрын
Are you able to email me a recording of this? Like straight from the speakers directly into a recording program?
@JDH1990s
@JDH1990s 4 жыл бұрын
cool man
@Dirk1961
@Dirk1961 9 жыл бұрын
Is this a 10" or a 12" disk? For me it looks like 10" in comparison with that big turntable. But I thought 4 minutes of music used to be stored on 12" records, especially in the 1920's, long before the so-called Rheinic procedure came up, or what is this called in English? Or was that the beginning of micro-grove record production in the 1920's? Greetings from Germany!
@vinyleyezz
@vinyleyezz 8 жыл бұрын
+Dirk1961 They're 10 inch discs
@bobskie321
@bobskie321 8 жыл бұрын
+Dirk1961 Edison records can hold a 4 minutes music on a 10 inch disc because it was cut vertically which allows the grooves to be closer to each other.
@thenorthamericanphonograph1039
@thenorthamericanphonograph1039 4 жыл бұрын
The Edison Diamond Disc is cut at 150 TPI, they can actually hold 5 minutes at 80 rpm.
@amiedetherese
@amiedetherese 11 жыл бұрын
One of my faves
@Outtatime
@Outtatime 5 жыл бұрын
Catchy tune.
@djfmitv
@djfmitv Жыл бұрын
Great track :) Do you know what the first Electrically-recorded Edison Diamond Discs were, along with how Edison electrically-recorded these diamond discs?
@SeeburgMusic
@SeeburgMusic 4 ай бұрын
First Edison Electric is number 52089.
@fromthesidelines
@fromthesidelines 6 жыл бұрын
Recorded on September 26, 1927.
@cowtippingrocks
@cowtippingrocks 10 жыл бұрын
I have a few diamond disk records, but I don't have a player, but my old school califone record player seems to do an alright job.
@debthern
@debthern 9 жыл бұрын
very enjoyable.....thanks so much for sharing. i'd like to send you info about our machine sometime in the future.....maybe you'll be interested, and know some info about its history. Its been in hubby's family now for 3 generations......deb
@RMoribayashi
@RMoribayashi 6 жыл бұрын
I keep hearing the words to the song The French Mistake from Blazing Saddles when they play the verse. Throw out your hands!! Stick out your tush!! Hands on your hips Give them a push!! You'll be surprised You're doing the French Mistake!!
@arkgamer45202
@arkgamer45202 5 жыл бұрын
EBay has got some edison diamond disc records listed for sale on its site
@bosswhale422
@bosswhale422 Жыл бұрын
Hey, i wanted to ask, when you were rebuilding your reproducer, did it use a diomond stylus, or a steel one, for each one what type was it? I have another reproducer on my player that has a dull stylus. It would be very helpful.
@rupertpowell8056
@rupertpowell8056 4 жыл бұрын
Are the pickups counterbalanced? "Styluses"? No needles? Vertical cut but are there also laterals? Presumably verticals don't need such wide grooves? Very interesting.Thanks.
@Fegelantic
@Fegelantic 2 жыл бұрын
Unlike regular 78 players (like the Victrola), Edison machines used a diamond stylus instead of disposable steel needles. Yes. Regular 78s are lateral. Edison company even made some laterals in their last months. Correct. Edison actually experimented with Long Play discs that could hold 40 min or more per side. Thinner groove than a modern LP
@danielguevara9023
@danielguevara9023 4 жыл бұрын
"Ta chido"
@AreSheepElectric
@AreSheepElectric 3 жыл бұрын
Did Starr Records employ this same recording method for their releases?
@flamingbarrelofmonkeys
@flamingbarrelofmonkeys 5 жыл бұрын
I have been collecting victrola for some time and just acquired A Edison C19 with out the replicated head, but found one online. If I need to replace the needle what type of needles do I need.
@MrRentgould
@MrRentgould 4 жыл бұрын
I have one and thought I should get a better needle ?
@aeoliankid1
@aeoliankid1 2 жыл бұрын
Nice sounding machine, but a rather tongue-tied narrative. I can see why Edison reproducers are rather scarce, as some people seem to hoard them for "the collection". How many operable diamond disc machines have been scrapped just for the reproducer?
@frankolen4137
@frankolen4137 3 жыл бұрын
I have this on l Lp
@manila1909
@manila1909 6 жыл бұрын
Do you fix victrolas? I️ have an Edison and it doesn’t play anymore
@GRAVADORAARTFINAL
@GRAVADORAARTFINAL 10 жыл бұрын
Hello , has no interest in selling this product, or know of one for sale?
@EverydayKindaGuy
@EverydayKindaGuy 3 жыл бұрын
What do you use when rebuilding a reproducer for a needle?
@kenherrera2819
@kenherrera2819 3 жыл бұрын
There are people on the Internet who will put a new stylus in your reproducer for a fee, usually anywhere from 130 to 150 dollars, however I have found it possible to buy old reproducers on Ebay that still have good needles on them for much less money and then change out the needle (stylus) myself, taking the Ebay part and putting it in my reproducer. It is a relatively simple job and as long as the reproducer is apart I also replace the diaphragm, if needed, and gaskets (always). When you look at an old reproducer on Ebay look for a sharp point, if there is a sharp pyramid-shaped point on the diamond, it is still good. These things literally last more than 100 years if they are not abused. The diamond stylus put Edison far ahead of the competition at the time producing not only a better sound, but also doing away with the need to change the needle every play or two.
@albertdiner
@albertdiner 5 жыл бұрын
from what year is that disc?
@davidlogansr8007
@davidlogansr8007 5 жыл бұрын
albertdiner 1927
@raymondsix4694
@raymondsix4694 3 жыл бұрын
1927. It came out of the smash-hit collegiate musical "Good News".
@zacharybowen4247
@zacharybowen4247 6 жыл бұрын
who was the artist
@BixLives32
@BixLives32 2 жыл бұрын
Careful with those Diamond Discs™. They have smaller grooves. A normal osmium needle will quickly destroy an Edison Diamond disc. the size is about 1.0 - 1.5 mil A standard 78 RPM disc is 2.7 mil. Look for cactus stylus. They sound far better and are wear the records less. Really, I am not joking. But Diamond Discs have such small grooves, I am not sure you can find the right size cactus stylus.
@loren4504
@loren4504 6 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know someone who can replace the diamond tip?
@RS-tp3uu
@RS-tp3uu 5 жыл бұрын
loren4504 You can buy the whole reproducer on eBay for around $100 or $200
@Fegelantic
@Fegelantic 2 жыл бұрын
Wyatt Markus can. He's commissioned the making of new diamonds for these reproducers.
@musicalschnauzer
@musicalschnauzer 4 жыл бұрын
Great record but played far too fast.
@jaysvintagerecordsandphono6184
@jaysvintagerecordsandphono6184 4 жыл бұрын
Richard Abraham speed sounds right to me
@marguskiis7711
@marguskiis7711 6 жыл бұрын
Edison killed himself his super system but ironically it was retrieved when stereo vinyl was invented after WWII.
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