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@@Edwing77 (unless it is Jazz. Edison hated Jazz.)

@@pastexpiry2013B Edison: "Best way to play jazz? Throw it out the window!" 😜

That's really awsome.Make sure to hang on to that.

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Apparently Edison discs were made to be played back with 3 mil styli, or at least that's what Edison said in a letter back in 1951.

@@ZeusTheTornado Edison died in 1931

By "leads" you mean the ground wires right? Just reverse them? Thanks.

@@allen-rp3gm There are 4 wires at the back of the stereo cartridge. You have to switch two of them over to eliminate the horizontal signal so you get a MONO vertical signal and your Edisons will play perfectly.

@@gennettor8915 Anytime I have summed a stereo cart to mono I place a bridge between L + R positive, usually connecting them with a piece of speaker wire in figure 8 looped around both pins. No switching wires, only a bridge. If actually switching wire configuration is what you mean please explain exactly what wires get switched to where? Also if all that is required is getting a mono signal from a stereo cart wouldn't a mono switch, typical on older amps solve this problem?

@@allen-rp3gm You don't just want a mono signal, for Edison Diamond discs you only want the VERTICAL signal. I am not going to explain it all but the trick is to switch the phase of one channel on a Stereo cartridge; if the wires are correcty coloured what you must do is switch over the blue and white wires at the back of the cartridge. Makes an enormous difference when playing these Edisons.

Yes I love 78s I need to buy a new 78 needle for the lp120 because I just got the 120 because I can't find any more needles for the grammarphone

For old phonographs, I heard you can use cactus needles. They might need some trimming to fit.

Actually, Edison discs were recorded at 80 RPM.

I agree but,.. the video shows an out of phase cartridge. well,. it's better to have switches do that for you then you don't have to fool around with tiny wires and look up the statistics of a certain cartridge you just switch to the vertical part of the stereo. also stiffening the stylus bar by inserting a minute piece of rubber into the stylus bar shaft will give you more rigidity so that you can increase the weight if needed (some hil&dale recordings will need a lot! F.I. 16'' pathé's a lot of them are no way's centered nor level! ) dd's like small needles this is not because the groove is very small although they are smaller than regular 78rpm they are very V shaped yet shallow so deep penetration gets the best results (no pun intended!) to avoid skipping or dancing across the record (this won't do any damage) the turn table would have to be absolutely level so the needle stays dead center another thing would be to build a rumble inhibitor switch to cut out the last remaining noise from your dd with a pathé switch as it is called in Europe, you cut out any remnants of lateral sound a thing that's very difficult to do with just changing phases then add the rumble inhibitor (if needed) and use the equalizer(analog or digital to enhance the sound your getting from your dd to taste you will be ensured of a recording with far less his (and rumble) some dd's will turn totally quiet! the dd's of the 1917-18 period are very noisy this is because of shortage of materials at the time and,.. i'm afraid very little can be done about that!.. you cant bring back sound that isn't there!

2 as far as scratchy dd's are concerned they are mostly on the lateral spectrum a scratch going across the groove is mostly going to affect the stylus by moving jerkingly from side to side for a 1000th of a second with a deep scratch you might hear popping but not much else. with a shallow scratch that does not penetrate to the bottom of the groove, you will hear nothing you can have a dd that looks worse for wear or even totally ruined but when played in the right way it will sound mint! I know (from experience) many of you will have had this experience of course, totally busted dd's with eaten out grooves by wrong playing (from worn dd styluses on original machines) will sound awful!

3 in 2017 were well into the digital age so, even the worst transfer from an analog medium can be digitally restored to audible acceptable limits I restored quite a number of hugely bad digital transfers to a standard that would be acceptable for any archeophonic enthusiast to date I have restored more than 50,000 recordings and i have amassed an (digital) archive of 300,000 recordins spanning all the ages from 1858 to present!

Tino, do you have any of those restored recordings available for viewing/listening here on YT? My look through of your uploaded videos don't indicate such. Thanks.

I got 2 youtube pages 1 tino van der zwan phono cave and the other is just named tino van der zwan the last holds many recordings i will see you there

Actually, instead of pulling the leads or having to change the headshell, you can use a DPDT toggle switch and accomplish the same thing. You are only reversing one channel so solder the hot and ground to the middle terminals of the switch; solder the outer terminals with wires crossed in an "X"; solder the outputs on one set of the outer terminals with the hot being on the same side as the hot input. That's all there is to it. I used a little plastic project box from Radio Shack and put RCA terminals on either side of the box so I can just plug in. Hope this helps.

Thank you very much for your advice. I really do prefer to use a separate headshell, especially since the shielded cables from the cartridge will be connected directly to the magnetic phono inputs of the pre-amplifier along with a ground, and I want to minimize hum. The headshell on my turntable is very easy to change, and I already have a second one and cartridges. Could you kindly tell me how the colored wires should be connected to the cartridge? I am having trouble understanding the concept involved. I know that to put loudspeakers out of phase one simply reverses the leads on one of the speakers, but I don't know how to put cartridge channels out of phase. Thanking you again, Ted Huning

You can swap the white and blue OR the red and green on the pins. If you hold the cartridge upside down and the leads facing you, the left channel are the leads on your right side and the right channel are the leads on your left most of the time. Look at your cartridge and there is usually some way to identify that for sure. Hope this helps.

T W Huning There is a good illustration of headshell wiring here: www.petervis.com/record_players_and_turntables/headshell_wiring/headshell_wiring.html

So I can connect red wire to red pin, green wire to green pin, blue wire to white pin, and white wire to blue pin, reversing one of the channels, with no cross connections, same as with reversing - and + on one of a pair of loudspeakers? (The pins on the cartridges I have are all color coded.) I've seen illustrations showing the right channel + pin connected to the left channel - pin, and the left channel + pin connected to the right channel - pin. That totally confuses me. If only the maker of the video had said, "I reversed the leads on one of the channels," rather than, "I reversed the leads." From the image in the video, I couldn't really see clearly what he had done.

Bobby Roy you conect the right and left channels out of phase. He has a cool stereo that does that with a switch.

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@@roybo1930 finly got it. I descovered this trick back around 1968 when i was 14 . I had a thing about experimenting with all my audio equipment to create special effects. Once i created a script where aliens land on earth. To create their voices i recorded all their lines on tape. Then threaded the tape backwards around the capstan to play it in reverse i then listened to and learned to speak their lines backwards record the backwards lines then reverse that recording .it was cool. I also made a tape echo on my akai deck and by plucking a stretched out exercise spring(remember those things witb three springs and two handles that are capable of removing chest hair)lol. Used for the sound of the alien ray guns.

@@michaelshultz2540 David Lynch did that in the early Twin Peaks episodes. Those dream sequences with the midget.

@@allen-rp3gm i did it back in 1968

The Diamond Disc records are recorded vertically and have a "square" groove as opposed to the "V" groove of other records. The sides of the groove contain no sound. The sound is in the bottom of the groove as they are recorded vertically, not laterally like a V groove record. A stylus has to bottom out to get to the sound. You can't use a stylus that rides up in the groove as it's not a V, and the sides contain no audio. This is why when you play one on a Victrola, for example, the audio is barely audible.

It means to invert phase between channels. Contrarly to mono summarize, you connect lefts lead with right ground and right lead with left ground.

He puts one channel "out of phase" or reverses the positive and negative leads on the back end of the cartridge of 1 channel to have the proper phasing required when playing a "Hill and dale" recording (meaning the needle moves up & down, NOT side-to-side as in conventional phonograph records).

Theodore W Huning Diamond Disc reproducer styli were the same diameter as used for Blue Amberol cylinders, namely 4-mil. Wax two minutes cylinders were 8-mil, as were Pathé vertical cut discs.

@@HMV101 There seems to be a variety of opinion on stylus size. Where did you get the 4 mil spec? According to this 1951 letter from one William A. Hayes at Edison Inc., the diameter of the "diamond point used on both the diamond disc 150-threads-to-the-inch record and the Blue Amberol record was .003 [3.0 mil]..." www.esotericsound.com/PhonoCartriges/Edison.pdf The link to that letter can be found here... www.esotericsound.com/CartStyli.htm Just search for "Edison" on the page. Then clicking on any of the results takes you to the letter. Mike Stosich at Esoteric Sound recommends 3.0 or 3.5 mil ellipticals for Edison DD. I've been using the 3.0 x 0.5 elliptical in a Stanton 500 cart with pretty good sound. I tried the LP stylus approach shown here on one 1917 electrotype label DD (Edison 82135) with 0.7 and 1.0 conicals and a 1.2 x 0.5 elliptical, but they were noisier than the 3.0 E. Too early to draw a firm conclusion from one disc, but based on the letter (and I would think Edison would be definitive on what size was used) it appears that a 1.0 mil or smaller stylus is much too small for a 3.0 mil groove.

Stereo cartridges can also play up and down modulation.

The older ones. The paper label needs the 78s stylus.

Ross Tvdoctor The deck is set to 78 and increased to 80rpm using the pitch control.

If you press both the 33 and the 45 buttons simultaneously, it sets the turntable to 78. Then the pitch adjustment on the right can modify the speed, within 10% either direction, I believe.

Jacob McArthur sandstorm '27

Edison was a pretty greedy man lol

He's using a 1 mil and the stylus on the ion probably isn't much smaller. The data is encoded vertically so one channel would be inverted. Rather that rewiring the turntable you can invert the left channel in software. There are many apps but I use Audacity since it's free. On speed your choices are limited to 33-1/3, 45 and maybe 78. These are 80, but again, you can compensate for running at 45 or 78 in software; it just takes longer to rip.

Carnage?!?

Neither the left nor the right read up and down, they read at a 45 degree angle. The only way to get 100% vertical response it to switch the wires around and play in mono.

IM NOT SURE

Sounds like the average acoustic to me. A pre-1925 acoustic recording is never going to be “rich or full” sounding by today’s standards, or even 1930s and 1940s standards.

@@DavidWood-rc6gj haha maybe Bob Roberts doesnt know what hes doing. . .lol