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Oh yeah...No damn 10,000 acre farmers everyone has 40-160 and the little towns were all kicking good..

@@davehughesfarm7983 And farmers were still working themselves to death and going broke. I don't like the 10,000 acre government supported corporate farms either. But those WEREN'T the good old days if you were doing the farm work. I've had more than my share of plowing at 2am to beat the rain, or winter corn picking.

What was wrong that you needed to get into the Power Director twice? They usually can go thousands of hours with little more than an adjustment or two.

Dad used to rent a Case 930 diesel. It was a good puller and he thought it could out pull a 4020 but when he bought his own 190XT he said the XT would outwork the 930. Dad owned a VAC too and he said that too was a good lugging tractor. The Case tractors for Dad were kinda clumbsy and the 930 was a very hard starting tractor. Dad grew up on Case and IH but he loves Allis Chalmers especially after he bought his WD45 in the late 1960's.

Yup, once you get past about 40 HP in the Gas tractors (no matter what brand) they really got thirsty. Once Allis went to diesel things got better. Our 170 used about 2-1/2 - 3 gallons an hour pulling the 3-16's. The tank of fuel outlasted my butt every day!

Diesel fuel has much more energy per gallon than gasoline. Your observation would hold true for any comparison of a diesel tractor to an equivalent gasoline tractor.

Diesels always win the fuel usage battle. We plowed with a Super W6 gas pulling a 4x16 plow until I replaced it with an Oliver 2050 diesel pulling a 6x16 plow. The 2050 plowed more than 1 mile and hour faster, turnover 50% more ground per pass and used 60% less fuel than the SW6. And the fuel was much cheaper. The 2050 was so much cheaper to operate it was unbelievable. But that is 15 years newer technology also.

@@cdjhyoung Good day from Ontario. We has SW-6 with 3 =12's & had a heck of time pulling it in sod & on dry landon hills. Thanks

There is no better example of the difference in that era between gas and diesel than the John Deere 730. The John Deere Diesel 730 set an all time Nebraska test with 18 Horsepower hours per gallon, but the gas only got about 9 hp hours per gallon. Same tractor, different fuel. And it ran cherry red at night.

I agree, not a fair test!

Agree, that's an Eagle hitch 800. If they'd used a mounted plow they could have set it a 10" walked right past the D17. I like AC and love their promotional videos, but the Case isn't being used fairly at all.

Sure I see your point, but I think the whole point of the film was to point out that having traction booster was better than not having it. I believe Case, John Deere, and Farmall all eventually had their own system that had a similar function. But when this came out on the WD series it was pretty ground breaking (pun intended!)

Also, when the WD came out, one of it's big criticisms was that it was so light. It was really 1500 lbs lighter than a similar horse power Case. This was really great for all purpose use, but many though it was too light for "serious" pulling. The traction booster made it possible to have a lighter more manageable tractor and still be able to pull the plow with ease. and that was the point of the film.

@@kirbymurdstone4925 Didn't Ford have this same tech on the 8n?

As the owner of both a 720 diesel and a D17 I can tell you first hand the D17 will make the 720 look foolish out in the field. Unless you were in sand a 720 can't swing 5-16 it has its hands full with 4-16 and 3-16 at depth is what it really likes. The D17 will get more work done on less fuel then the 720

Neighbor had a 720 diesel, electric start. It was alway parked on the barn bank, and was definitely broke to lead.

@@RJ1999x well said,,, thank you,,,

@@RJ1999x so why do you have the 720 then?

@@J-1410 Was my grandpa's, along with a 60 gas, I bought them for sentimental reasons

No shit there's a big difference. THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT! Jesus these comments make my brain hurt.

@@jfdb59 Your comment makes MY brain hurt. If they really wanted to show the benefits fairly, then it should have been both the same Model AC tractor, one with traction booster and one without, BOTH with the same mounted plows. NOT two different types of plows and making the Case look bad doing the comparison. The way this was done it was more an opportunity to sh_t on the Case, sell theirs, than a true comparison. The Case appears to have a 3-point hitch on it, so why didn't it have a mounted plow as well? Did Case have their own system as well? I see from the comments Ferguson had a patent that pre-dated AC.

​@@KStewart-th4sk "If they really wanted to show the benefits fairly, then it should have been both the same Model AC tractor, one with traction booster and one without, BOTH with the same mounted plows." That is a valid point for sure. But they didn't. Can you blame them? Which has more impact? "Look at our new system that is slightly better than our other one." Or "Look at how much better our new system is than these guys." It's how any marketing works. They're going to use it against their primary competitor not themselves.

@@jfdb59 The point was to show how the competition built in so much unnecessary weight into their tractor when a D17 pulling a mounted or semi-mounted plow can do the same amount of work and even more .

kinda like a John Deere M.. the connection point for the hitch is to the front of the rear tires.. thus pulling the rear down. Our M can out pull the 20hp 4100 with filled tires and 4wd on..and wheel weights...

The weight shifting idea is even older than this video. Ac system was an attempt to get around Ferguson patient. Ever one had theirs attempts to get around the patient.

Brian Patrick Yes, of course. (I’m sure you meant “patent,” not “patient.”) It’s the reverse of an equalizing hitch for towing trailers on the highway. The highway device lifts at the hitch to transfer weight to the steering axle and the trailer wheels. The farm tractor devices do the opposite; push down in the vicinity of the drive wheels and hitch, transferring the weight from the steering axle and the implement.

Waste of time on drawbar work, although Massey had a solid hitch set to the draft control that would transfer weight. I was a kid then so don’t remember enough about it

Three point to drawbar not a fair comparison

I think this video explains it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aZxziM-Llb_UnGQ.html

Except the traction booster system was far superior

How did you not figure out during this video that that was the whole point of the comparison? They literally said they were using trailed on one and 3 pt mounted on the the other to compare the two systems.

Oliver66FarmBoy what in the world are you doing watching AC videos? Like to see real equipment at work 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

That's a 700 not a 730 to tell ya, it's got no stickers on the hood, 700-800 had chrome pieces that said Case and 700 or 800, in this case a 700. You were very close and they are hard to tell apart due to early 730s having low tin like the 700.

This video was pre- 3pt for allis tractors. The best comparison would be a d17 series 4 with snap coupler and one with 3 point. Hook the mounted plows up and go. It has been done and the snap coupler wins every time. Problem is when you get into bigger tractors, removing the drawbar gets to be a chore.

@@drewschipper1 my neighbor had Allis and still has a series 3 d17 with a 3 bottom plow and a sickle bar that must be snap coupler by the looks of it, and she has a d14, yah I don't know much bout ac except the 7000 series cabs look like death traps compared to a case 70 or 90 series.

It wouldn't have mattered, the Case draft control sucked, and if they both had the mounted plow the guy would have been working the levers constantly to keep plowing. The traction booster system had no equal until the electronic controls came into being

Wasn't allis less than case though?

@@J-1410 Allis Chalmers were not sold on price, they were sold on performance

@@RJ1999x so I take that as a yes, AC was cheaper than a JIC. Everything is sold on performance.

@@J-1410 As a past salesman for farm equipment I can tell you feature for feature all tractors, combines etc are dollar for dollar, cheaper meant fewer options, .

@@RJ1999x what ever you say

I still have a series I D17 but I'm not sure I understand your aggravation. I pulled a 4x14 fully mounted plow and could easily out plow a 730. And if you use Allis cylinders the hydraulics are fine. My aggravation was that my D17 didn't have power steering.

John Deere really took a jump ahead of every other tractor maker with the 3010 and 4010 tractors. They took over the sales lead from IH and never trailed again. You're right, in the early 60's any farmer that could get one bought a 4010 or 4020 to do their tillage work. Many of them were using a semi mount plow for the first time.

The video is as much a dig at case as about AC system. They could have used two of the same AC tractors and made it apple to apples.

@@brianpatrick8787 not really, an Allis Chalmers won't dog it on purpose, they were made to run!😁

Ground conditions are different all over even in the same field. Wet clay soils will turn over in one long slab. Dry clay will be large lumps.

The ground was worked several different ways every year. Count the trips back then from harvest to harvest. At least 10. The 60s and 70s was maybe 7.

This is SE Wisconsin the AC test fields and some of the best loam in the world... Jet black 10 or so feet thick fertile and the consistency of potting mix... It's also hard to pull on as it has no bite and no bottom you really spin the tires and you're heavy you will bury the machine... Watched an IH nose tractor when I was young in the 80s spin out pulling a chisel or something took an excavator and a D6 to pull it out and I recall it wasnt really wet the ground is pure topsoil and doesn't really compact... Go North of there 100ish miles it becomes sandy loam that's a whole new challenge...

Did you think you were watching a tractor nameplate test? What gave you that idea. It’s a hitch system test! That’d be pretty tough with identical hitch systems, doncha think? 🤦🏻‍♂️🙄🤯

Was actually very fair test, even with a semi mount plow the case draft o magic was about useless in comparison to a traction booster

An 800, 811B if gas which I think it was. And I couldn't see if it was in COM or direct drive. Likely AC used COM instead of locking it in.

@@Bret4207 it said Com on it, yah the was my second answer was a 800

@@Bret4207 doubtful

I agree, the eagle hitch being used would really even the match out

Because the draft control on a case only worked if you had your hand on the lever all day, the Allis Chalmers was automatic

In reality if you wanted to plow the "hard spots" at the same depth as the rest you needed to use a smaller plow. These draft control systems were a form of "cheating". My dad's opinion on this was if the shallower plowing was good enough for the tough spots then just set the plow shallower for everything. Keep it simple.

Although, It has gone through a few Iterations, The Challenger tractors are a direct descendant of Allis Chalmers. It is certainly unfortunate that the Farming bust of the late 70's Killed many fine tractor companies. Farming as a whole had some awful growing pains in those years.

This is..... grabbing at straws at best. Case was bought by Tenneco before AC merged with, well, everything haha. J.I. Case kept most of it's traits after the merger with DB, but beyond that Tenneco and the IH merger changed most everything about the company and tractors, in much the same way as AC got folded into the mix with all the other AGCO brands. And I am a Case guy, I grew up with a 1030 and a DB 1200, we rented a 1590 for two tillage seasons, neighbor had a 70 series crab steer he did custom work with, etc. BUt once "the red ones" came around, they were still great tractors but it wasn't really a Case anymore, it was a Case IH and had traits of both. A lot of the innovations from AC's last series were implemented into the AGCO tractors that came after, along with White(Oliver/Moline) as well. I have brand loyalty too, but I save my cheering for the antique tractor pulls.

my father worked at a Case dealer and owned an Allis

No you cant. It has the case name. But the Case IH tractors are actually a design from IH, it's all an IH except for the case name and motor

@@CheeseMiser To be fair, the motor is kind of an important part of a tractor. But yeah, I agree Case stopped being Case when they dropped the J.I. part when Tenneco bought them. Even the Case/DB tractors still were built like an old Case. Globalist garbage ruins everything.

do the test with the same tractor, one trip with traction booster one with out, this test is useless

@Hunter Jacobs ya you say that but I don't know if it's in gear or what the knobs and levers do. I'm liable to kill myself

@@MatthewHolevinski : So then you open your mouth and ask someone who knows. Even better yet, buy an Owner's/Operator's Manual and READ it. You'll most likely learn more about the tractor than by just asking someone. Not being afraid to READ is how "smart guys" like me know so much. Lifetime self-education is just as important as a good public education when you're a youngster. Honestly, maybe even more so. 👍

@@turbodiesel4709 Ya agreed, I'll get around to that when I get around to that, it'll still be there.

Find a local farmer to come and help. Some of them love to look at and help with old tractors. Its not difficult, but its always safer to get some in person help.

@@fhuber7507 I need to learn some hydraulics first. The 2 cylinders hooked up to the front attachment thing are leaking really bad. I'm looking forward to tearing into them to replace all the rings and seals. Gotta get some calipers and stuff to take some measurements first.

Uhhh..no.

Especially pulling loaded forage boxes down steep hills ,I want weight and good tires

@@scottydog62 Exactly.I have ran old heavy 2 wheel drives that would hold back better than some of these new "improved" lightweight 4x4s

Case o matic had a lock up

@@RJ1999x and?

@@J-1410 And it's apples to apples then the case would be in the lock up mode. The reason Allis Chalmers used the case o matic is case was using that feature in their demonstrations, so Allis Chalmers showed it was little to no advantage

@@RJ1999x see 456, looks exactly like how it works not in lockup, like how case advertised. Also where did they say "used in lockup"? 312 here, even pulling an allis backwards kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eJaAnppnvK6lYKc.html

@@J-1410 I've seen that demonstration already, and it's a marketing gimmick . My uncle owned an 830 case o matic they were nothing to write home about, few are left because of all the problems they had, dealers refused to take one on trade, my uncle traded his in on a silo, the dealer never came to pick it up, ended up selling it at his uncle's auction. My uncle did have an 830 comfort king, that was a nice tractor, gear transmission

You completely missed the point

They were in direct for testing

The case had that, and it couldn't hang with the power director

You obviously never owned a D17

@@RJ1999x you are right I never did own a Allis except when very young I had a WC however a friend and his family were Allis Chalmers on their farm.

What a joke this demo. is, That Case would kill that Allis any time any place !!

@@mikecarr1378 in both your dreams

Yea, "light duty" D17. Out lasted a lot of other tractors. 😩

@@randymagnum143 more like outlasted them all

So Technically there was no weight added to the tractor, however there was more weight load added to the tires. And this done automatically. There is a torsion bar in the 3 point hitch that sensed how hard the plow was pulling, as it pulled harder, the Hydraulics would lift the plow slightly to transfer some of that draft (Lateral force) load to the downward force of the tires when the draft lessened the hydraulics would relax the lift. and this was done automatically. There was a lever that adjusted the aggressiveness of the action, but the hitch was constantly making tiny adjustments to the plow. It was really quite a effective system. Some would say that it was all just lifting the plow so it pulled easier, but the actual movement of the plow was very little, usually less than an inch, Typically about a quarter to a half an inch. And yes this was a sales film, not an engineering explanation. But it did a fair job of showing how and why the system is effective.. Also it made me laugh, cause Case tractors were notorious fuel hogs, so the economy probably had little to do with the traction booster.

@@kirbymurdstone4925 Thanks. You do confirm there was nothing automatic about what was happening. The action was activated by forces in the pulling system, and hydraulic adjustments were made. The outcome was all determined by the position and loads on the components. The total weight of the tractor and plow is a zero-sum matter. Nothing external was adding weight. It may have been effective. If so, it was not a market-changer. The effectiveness was managed through mechanical and hydraulic actions. The fuel usage was an attempt to make some objective measure of effectiveness. AC couldn't offer anything objective regarding the action of the mechanism. Their words were subjective. As you point out the fuel use had little, or nothing, to do with effectiveness of the AC feature. If they would have had two identical AC tractors, one equipped with the feature, the other not, fuel measurements could have provided an objective measure. But, that was not done. Comparing AC to Case was a failure. Also, they had no measure of wheel slip on identical AC tractors. That too could have been some objective measure. The tug-of-war part of the film was of no use. Thanks.

@@rightsideofthegrass8114 I guess it depends on how you define automatic. The system makes adjustments based in constantly varying conditions without input from the operator. I think that is a reasonable definition of automatic. You are correct the total weight didn't change, it only changed how much of that total weight was on the drive tires. But the point of the system was to be able to capitalize the total weight of system (plow and tractor) in order to have the weight of just the tractor lower, which make it more versatile tractor. and it did this very well. Most other tractor manufactures came up with some system that did a similar thing, AC was just the first to do it. BTW, There is another video out there the compares plowing with traction booster on and off, to show that the added traction did boost efficiency.

Don't know how you can say it wasn't automatic, the driver of the D17 only had to dial in the sensitivity, and the rest is done automatically. You just drive and the tractor booster took care of the varying loads automatically, with in reason

Rightsideofthegrass There is a difference between "automatic" and "magic"

What the hell are you talking about

You're very wrong my friend.

@@jakesvids3467 oh if I'm so wrong then why is it that I could pull a 16 foot offset disk up a very steep hill in 2wd with an 1896 case and my brother couldn't do it in 4wd ?. By the way my cousin made it up a mountain on black ice with a B train when all the other trucks were jackknifed or in the ditch. Don't tell me that I don't know how much the driver effects the pulling ability

@@leslieholman3121 Lay off the pot my friend. Traction has everything to do with weight. The relation of the hitch to the implement affects the amount of weight put on the drawbar and therefore the tires.

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What size disc did you pull with your gas D 17

@@granch4211 I'm thinking maybe 8 or 10 feet...

@@herbhouston5378 ok when i was a kid we had a case 830 and a ih 756 we had 12 foot disc i just didn't know on the allis them was the good old days i thought we was poor but we raised hogs and chickens and always had a big garden we ate ok

@@granch4211 The farmer who owned the Allis and the small disc was 82 years old and had the disc for years... When he got the bigger tractor... he had intended to get a bigger disc, but he ran out of time... By far, most of what he raised was used to sustain the family... He did milk about a dozen cows... and would sell a hog sometimes... The grains and hay and straw were all used on the farm... They had a huge garden... Bigger than I had ever seen... I remember we would take ear corn to a local mill and grind corn and cob meal for the cows... When we got back home we would mix everything on the u-shaped concrete floor inside the stanchions... by shoveling from one pile to another till everything was well mixed... Lord... that brings back memories...

@@granch4211 Sorry for butting in but I used to farm with a D19 and D17 and when plowing with the D19 I followed up with my D17 and a 13-1/2 foot Allis Disk. It was a load but it pulled it about 3 mph. The only thing the D17 needed was power steering. It was a 1958 model and power steering was an option and not standard equipment until 1959.