What's so exciting about this NASCAR compared today All it is is single file racing

@@scottbrown7497 for starters, single file non restrictor plate racing is WAY safer than restrictor pack racing…

@@jamesmelton4412 Doesn't explain why it's more entertaining then today's NASCAR

@@scottbrown7497 ohh, you’re trolling. Sorry I tried to respond sincerely.

@@jamesmelton4412 No I'm not trolling I'm trying to figure why people like this compared to today's NASCAR I mean we have single file races like in yesterday's NASCAR and people complain about calling it boring But people the 70s a d 80s NASCAR even though it's the same racing

You know Tim, it's that very "down home" flavor of sensibility that's long gone in today's NASCAR. The powers that be are just trying so hard to make Top Flite Professional Stock Car Racing into a "Reality TV Talent Show," with the occasional 'Fist Fight' or, short of that, the promise of one. It's all so manufactured that IMO, it's not fun to watch and no where close to this 1985 Version of The Daytona 500 for authentic and real American Auto Racing.

I saw terry labonte at meyer speedway

No Toyota's. Lol all American manufacturers.

Don't forget Buick!

Real cars 💪💪

@@morrismerritt7923or the Chrysler Imperial.

Sounds way better than the new X Pipes exhausts

One word. Torino.

@@twerktospec No but not having the classic drivers we grew up with is what I believe he meant. I can remember《43》the King Richard Petty in his iconic blue and red. So many incredible racers, Earnhardt, Petty, and so many more. If listed them all we'd be here all day. My point is back then the races had more spectacles, more to see, better racing, and oh the cars, the cars were EPIC! But the men who drove those cars....ICONS!

@@EdsterIII Perhaps having time to reflect helps us view them in a better light. That being said, yours and many others' nostalgia, while it may hold some things back, there is also several valid good ideas and sentiments there, too, that need to influence and inspire the present.

@@twerktospec lol Jocko

It's even more sad that Nascar itself is no longer with us.

@@mnmailman3489 NASCRAP

Everything was great tbh 👍🏻

"HELLS HEAH!"

Yessir!!!

​@@Guiltless765 you got that right.

So true

More danger = less yolo moves for 1 position

I can't even watch the crap that is NASCAR now.

Agreed. It just makes me sick to watch them restart with 2 to go, wreck, and then, "Now we get to re-rack and try again!" When NASCAR races were allowed to end under caution, there was incentive for drivers to be careful enough not to bring the caution out with only a few laps to go.

@@wolverine9632 They still end in caution.

Exactly

Before Brian France got a hold of NASCAR and f'd things up.

Stages are just ridiculous. Just like evening up the score of a football game at halftime

Mad respect!! Kudos my friend.

Aye, as a ford man I give credit to the monte ss as well, dale wheeled the hell out of em and I respect the hell out of that. Awesome cars

Good too know it would still go out and dominate today's 500

@@rexracer7192 Now that would be EPIC to see!

AND, Awesome Bill was his own crew chief...WHILE driving the car!!

The 'lucky dog' was created in response the new rule which prevented racing back to the finish line when a caution was thrown. Prior to that, cars would go even faster at the start of a caution just to secure a good track position, and sometimes they would be bearing down on a safety crew trying to get to a wrecked car.

@iamtheoceanr; I've been a fan of NASCAR's "Grand National" series (now Cup) since I watched the 3 week tape delayed, 1963 Daytona 500 on ABC's "Wide World of Sports." I watched as history was being made by one 'Tiny Lund' as he picked up a last minute ride from the Wood Brothers as a reward for saving the life of their #1 driver Marvin Panch during the Speed Weeks 250 mile sports car race (the forerunner of the Rolex 24.) Anyways, I mentioned all that because I just wanted to give you a shout out as having the 100% spot on comment regarding NASCAR Cup Racing currently being held. It's like just another version of those night time singing talent scout shows. Except now it's little boys who barely need to shave and have a big fat Bankroll backing them so they can secure a ride and go play "Bumper Cars" at 200 MPH. Everything you said is exactly the reason that I don't pay any attention to this "Manufactured Soap Opera" any more. Some 'Fans' might call the likes of you and I Boomers or old guys who can't keep up with the times but, anyone who looks objectively at current NASCAR Xfinity or Cup can see what this once Proud, S.E. Regional, Hard Nosed Racing was all about and absolutely is NO MORE! Thanks again for voicing your opinion b/c it is 100% on the money!

You're damn skippy!!

Well said.

Good fuck, come off of it

I think the entire east coast was on the edge of their seats back then... Loved it. When your Dad only gets one free day a week and watch 5 hours of racing with ya, life is complete...

Haha that's awesome same here

Lies again? Half 1000

Yep, but same now as then, Squire and Hobbs talk out their ass and making assumptions and mistakes, it used to piss me off because I was just a kid and knew more than them. I spent my paper route money on Stock Car Magazine, Grand National Scene & Illustrated, Auto Racing Digest and Circle Track Magazine. I got a copy of the NASCAR Record and Press Guide, and I was like an encyclopedia, and these two experts, jack asses to me, sounded like clowns, screwing up. Poor Ned having to deal with them. With that said, nowadays I watch these old races and chuckle because today's racing, and commentary, is the shits, and has been for years, and I finally gave it up when they went "woke."

Fellow Mainer here. Rumford, to be exact lol

Ernie was the man.

Sounds so much better

Right?! I was like "wow! look how they take right off!" Good stuff! It was Elliott going 212 at Talladega that made them enforce them right?

@@billymanilli It was the crash Bobby Allison had that caused them to

These cars were so much heavier, and they're still visibly faster than today's formula.

​@@reedeux7818 Oh ok. The one where Bobby tore the catch fence all up? Makes sense that's what ultimately did it. Thanks! That was the same weekend wasn't it? Everyone was flying

This

Mike Joy needs to be led out to pasture

You know it’s funny I thought the same thing. “No wonder BP was such a good color guy, he described that perfectly”

It's better than it was back then I promise that's why the stands have been packed and races have been sold out early several times over this year

I stopped watch NASCAR shortly after Rusty Wallace retired. Not long after that NASCAR fundamentally changed the sport into the crap hole it is now. Nothing but a crash fest, revenge driven, pit fighting, driver ego, poor sportsman circus. People watch these days because of the drama, not because actual racing. All people want to see now is wrecks, revenge and pit fights. Races back in this time had that sure, but today it's every race, every driver. It's just BS! I watch IMSA now, will never go back to NASCAR.

Ah yes, when a guy could build an engine and a car so fast he could lap the field...twice.

@@KevinMcAdams26 could you imagine what the Elliotts would have done at the 1985 Winston 500 to the field if Bill DIDN'T have that oil fitting issue? That would have been an embarrassment, and NASCAR officials couldn't figure out how that car was legal. And yet it was. Ken Squire summed it up best in his comments about the Elliotts; they weren't the biggest team and didn't have all the "trick" parts and pieces.

And imagine I got here from nba all star game 1985, because of the many adverts of this broadcast during the game. Same as motorsports so was in basketball: a matter between grown men, who put not only their skills in it but, first of all, their pride. Different times.

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@@adamtereska8734 And the Elliott's refused offers from Ford to share their speed secrets with the other well funded Ford teams. That whole 1985 season on the superspeedways forced Buddy Arrington who was running a Chrysler Imperial to switch midseason to a Ford Thunderbird. I don't think there will ever be a dominant car like what Bill Elliott and the Melling team had in 1985.

They dont make em like Cale anymore......Tony was the last one

Cale was the only one that could even keep up with Elliot. 205MPH - whew!

In all honesty, Bill was comfortable just drafting behind Cale. He was just waiting on the right moment.

No cellphones

You got that right the Golden age of NASCAR...When they tried to Dehillbilly it is when it was beginning of the end....Also the restrictor plates really turned me off...HOW do you regulate SPEED and call it a RACE !

@@fedupwithfedforever4151 dehillbilly is the term of the century....and you're absolutely right

NASCAR was a much more kinetic viewing experience back then. Those in charge smoothed themselves out. Both physically and metaphorically they applied bright shiny coats of paint, and lost the gritty vibrations that made it interesting. At the end of the day, NASCAR will only be an obsession to a certain type of person and is never going to appeal to everyone, and I say this as a BROWN SKINNED guy who grew up in NY City and New England. I enjoyed watching it as a kid in the 80s. It was speed and sound wrapped in dirt and seemed to be trying to vibrate my parents TV off the stand. Nowadays the headlights on the cars are clearly decals, back the headlight was DAMNED HOLE some dude put DUCT TAPE OVER!! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o5Zkf5Wkvqu5ops.html. Sorry that part made me laugh out loud.

"officials in regular/ordinary uniform" Safety be dammed, let them burn like Kobe Bryant. And let's do away with the HANS Device, let them snap their necks like Dale Earnhardt, And what's with the cockpit on Indy cars? Let them smash their head against a post as they flip upside down like Dan Wheldon. And get rid of the SAFER barrier, Let's make it all concrete.

Then you notice for the next two breaks they remember and cover or mute the mics but then they forget again...

I would call that a pre-Rick Roll!

They had more character than what I've seen in recent years

@downforce65 Those were the absolute ugliest hulks on the track and the few I saw on the road that I've ever seen in my life.

@@LT1HILLINGHOE Well nothing was a pretty as the AMC Gremlin looking glass back Monte Carlo SS...right?

@@toddjohnson7133 Sorry that you once owned a Gremlin. That explains your bitter reply.😉

@@LT1HILLINGHOE Cars I own...2016 Mustang GT, 66 Superformance Cobra, 70 Chevelle SS...but no Gremlin, Pacer or Glassback Monte.

i always rooted for jd and guus like gim...jimmy means ..dave marcis...they made the sport great

J.D. won at a local short track the night before he died at Watkins Glen,so he went out a winner!

I saw the interview of his wife after he died and she was talking about having to sell off the place cause she was broke and how she heard nothing from Nascar. Not that they are obligated but you'd have thought they could've gave her something, or at least some drivers would've helped a bit.

How was it unfair that he didn't get wins?

@user-ge8pq4nj4n cause he fought hard and never won on the big stage of nascar all those years. It's like never reaching your goal knowing it's right there and obtainable but falling short

That's who that is? I didn't even know he announced Nascar. I remember listening him on VT public radio when I was a kid.

​​@@justforever96en Squier was one of the original founders of the MRN Radio Network. His first calling was play by play at local short tracks up north and Motor Racing Network Nascar races later on. He's called Nascar and auto racing 40+ years. Not only Nascar either. He did Indycar, Imsa and F1 on CBS also.

Mat Helm apparently you don't know how many people in this country would love to make a hundred dollars a day. Wow you have lived a sheltered life

Somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed. But that was $100 bucks divided by 16+ hour days for 8 days (on 24 hour call), after having had to drive 600 miles to get to the hotel, 40 minutes from the track. If not for the 10 cent buffalo wings in the hotel bar, we'd of all went broke. The $50 dollar a day utility guys did go broke, and they all lived in NY state. But the point of that statement wasn't a complaint. It was to show how far we would go to be part of the action... But that one was the worst by far, and I only did it the one time there. There was a time when Bill Elliot and I were on a first name bases...

Mat Helm that was good money in 85. What exactly did you do if you dont mind dumbing it down for me ?

Mat Helm yea that was sad. Didnt he get decapitated ?

@@MatHelm Pay him no nevermind Mat, there's one in every comment thread here in the devil's playground aka Internet 🤷🏻‍♂️ Thanks for all your, and your co-workers hard work to bring us Race crazies all the great action from Watkins Glen! 💪😎👍

Too many rules these days.

Actually, as fast as the average speed for this Daytona 500 was (172.265 MPH), Bill Elliott's 1987 win was accomplished at an even faster pace. Elliott missed breaking Baker's Daytona 500 speed record two years later by less than a minute and a half. Elliott's race winning time in 1987 was 77 seconds slower than Baker's in 1980 (2:50:12 vs. Baker's 2:48:55 in 1980). And as for the attrition in this race, Bill Elliott attributed that to most of his competition running too low of a gear to try to keep up with him (Richard Petty's problems started when he ran out of gas just after the first caution came out, which led to his gearbox problems), though as the commentators noted, this race was run in warmer conditions than they had raced and practiced in all week. The odd thing was that, as high as the attrition seemed like it was in the 1985 race, it actually wasn't that much worse than it was in 1984, especially in the first 300 miles. The difference was that most of the cars that fell out were the more heavily financed teams of that period, which allowed those that usually ran in the back of the pack to have better than usual days.

ramble on ramble on

This metric of average speed isn't even measured today I don't think but it sure was the talk of many broadcasts years ago. Stage racing has cautions built-in but stage racing as well as the playoffs is plain stupid.

It's on YT here. Search 1985 Winston 500. It's in 3 parts.

@@wadesuhr Stage racing should be only used in the All-Star race

Unless it's one of the Gibbs Toyota's dominating.

@@thomashorner1711 ok Boomer.

@@KevinMcAdams26 Hush sonny, the grown-up's are talking 🤨

@@Slinger43 with poor grammar, I see.

Shush! Geez, some people's children 🤨

So true! Plus, even if the commercials had been shown, there would be way fewer commercial breaks than you see in 21st century nascar.

Right!! The in car cameras are horrible now.

For 1 year

@@LT1HILLINGHOE you must be for them are coupe gm Horsepiss which were nothing more than a aero dynamic band aid to allow gm to catch Bill an were nothing more than a aero dynamic band aid to cover up for a pass pour design item should never been allowed on Trac LMK an bil would had another 11 win season in 86

@@brianbooher7318 What dialect is that? I wanna turn on the interpreter program.

@@brianbooher7318 1986 Bill won 2 races. Facts.

@@brianbooher7318See, if you hadn't replied, no one would have known about your ignorance problem. Remember that, Skippy. P.S. It's never too late to finish 3rd grade. Look how your mom broke ground, in your family, by doing that. I'm rooting for ya'!

Them boys are unbeatable in for NASCAR kept breaking one off Andy Ellis week after week changing rules just imagine if you go back and put this and take the schedule got now replace it was the 1985 schedule and there's a very real possibility used to be looking Bill have him 20 to 25 wins could you take out almost all all of the short tracks. people don't see I don't think about Ellie's 1985 season yes he can't f****** ice on a big Speedways but he had a he had absolutely no competition. The part that people don't think about his highest the schedule almost with short tracks to. and the fact that was the shortest season in NASCAR history. If Ellie to come home about five years later and he just ride hey be looking a lot more championships cuz you eliminate most of the short tracks Plus by 1988 The Voice has a short track program down not being together Eagles championships

For a full 1 year and only on the big tracks at that.

Ricky Rudd loved it as well. 💀

Yeah, same with J D McDuffie. "My woman cries with each goodbye kiss that I give her, as she prays that come Monday morning I'll be drifting home."

this is when racin was good.

Now days they throw a caution flag of there's snot on the track

That would throw a race today. Nascar sucks today

1st caution lap 71, amazing

@@jasoncolegrove5032 Now they throw caution for a dust.

Same here I went to Darlington and saw him win the Winston Million.

They are in too deep to sponsors and TV executives and Greedy beyond anyone's imagination.

The danger actually made them hold back from what they could really do behind the wheel

Nobody wanted to get hurt, or hurt anyone else, it's the natural way. The over regulation of nascar now is not for safety so much as reducing liability, and dictating acceptable suppliers.

212 at Talladega a few months later.

@@alwaysopen7970 2 year later*

Hi Gearheads, no one could touch the #9 at super-speedways unless he had some type of issues. I lost quite a few $$$ on getting the field against Mr Bill Elliott at super speedway tracks. I was always a Bobby Allison and Harry Gant fan, but I respected all the drivers. Back then, you could call Bill & Ernie the dynamic duo or Batman & Robin. Both were great at their job's.

'70-until about '95 is probably the greatest 15 year time period in mankind history. The cars, music, sports, you name it. .....for a smaller sample size, id say '77-'89....im biased of course...lol

@@beeemm2578 You are absolutely 100% CORRECT!

That's 25 years but yea even better. More years that truly we're the golden years of humanity. The world didn't end on y2k but it's been straight down hill ever since..😢

There were at least 45,000 cousin-wives in the crowd in those days

Yes, they were heavily modified but they were very different. Half of these brands don't exist anymore. Sad.

They have retro uniforms in the NFL, NBA etc so why not retro cars?

The camera views they show today are absolutely shameful , compared to what they were showing back then. Watching a bumper or watching a driver sitting in his seat. How stupid have TV producer's become ???

CBS, TNN & TBS, all 3 Networks did a great job with music selection back then. When Kyle Petty won his 1st race in 86, I think it was a TBS race & they played Jim Croce's "I got a name" as they rolled the credits & antique finished still pics from the race at the end, very cool! 😎

IMSA brother

@@maineiacial miss would only be good if they didn’t focus the cameras on the stupid prototypes the whole races. I want to see the actual sports cars!

@@yfi62dortoh ok then i reccomend Assetto Corsa Competizione and GT World Challenge!

Just search GT World channel

Nascar always had to change rules for Chevy to keep up. It's a wonder Ford didn't leave Nascar all together.

@Rich Rishel But yet, Chevrolet has won more stock car races than any other brand ever. And they didn't even compete in the 60's.

@Rich Rishel Especially win Yates won...oh wait...5 whole races and no cups.

It's well known that Bill France Sr, and his family, had a lot of GM stock. They always favored the chevy's. Ford was dominant for a few years through sheer hard work.

@@p99t0013 Cool story, bro. Tell us one about that time you met Bigfoot.

Welcome to my little slice of racing heaven. Enjoy your stay, there's plenty to see lol

Was on radio back in the 70's on MRN before he started on TV

TALKS TOO MUCH

well they do some in-car but they only have it 3-5 second clips! To this day i don't understand why production don't show more in-car shots.

@@csmith9684 All racing coverage today, plays 2nd fiddle to the commercials. Pay attention.