$1M Engine Upgrade to a Pilatus PC12 - Was it Worth It?

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Mike Patey

Mike Patey

Жыл бұрын

Was spending near $1M dollars to upgrade a motor worth the hassle? Mark talks real world numbers and gives his take on it.
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@mikemorgan8792
@mikemorgan8792 Жыл бұрын
I love seeing Mark so excited for the second time to watch him explain P vs B
@indyjons321
@indyjons321 Жыл бұрын
Oh good. It wasn't just me watching it again. haha!
@applicablerobot
@applicablerobot Жыл бұрын
It took me far too long to realize I'd already seen this...
@notubenick
@notubenick 11 ай бұрын
That was a ONE MILLION explanation.
@jimhumphrey
@jimhumphrey Жыл бұрын
These numbers will never enter into anything I do in this lifetime. But I'm watching this for the second time. I watched Mark's video. But no matter I just love to listen to you guys talk about your airplanes.
@Qualitymobilevideo
@Qualitymobilevideo Жыл бұрын
PC12 is a dream airplane, hopefully in my future!
@jackdotzman2908
@jackdotzman2908 Жыл бұрын
It’s very interesting to learn what it cost to fly your anirplanes and how and why you do what you do. There are not many people out there that can tell of your experiences without leaving a “better than thou” feeling in your messages. You and Mike are over the top in what you do and then to explain it to us viewers, who will never fly airplanes like you do, how you get it done is beautiful. I very much enjoyed my flying days in the Beech Sundowner, I can only imagine what it like to fly one of your airplanes. Thank you for taking the time to share your experiences with your viewers. Flying is flying, some fly jets, some fly ultralights, and some fly all the stuff in between. It’s all about the love of airplanes and flying. From Missouri, Jack
@noanyobiseniss7462
@noanyobiseniss7462 Жыл бұрын
Will never own something this nice and will probably never fulfill my dream of owning a plane period and yet found this video captivating! Great job Mark.
@richardghastin6685
@richardghastin6685 Жыл бұрын
Great to have an excellent, no BS, presentation to start a Saturday morning! Thank you, Mark😊
@garyflint1793
@garyflint1793 Жыл бұрын
I’d watch even if I wasn’t an enthusiast of aviation. Just to see the enthusiasm, passion and happiness of you both makes it worth watching. Keep smiling- love to see it!
@randallparker8477
@randallparker8477 Жыл бұрын
Knowing "the numbers" is what makes the name Patey mean success. Great job Mark! PAPA all the way!
@vittoesmith1
@vittoesmith1 Жыл бұрын
I am not a pilot but love airplanes. My wife and I were hosting a RV park in Iron River, Michigan. Krist Oil Co. had a PC-12 flying out of a very short runway in Stambaugh, Michigan. He flew directly over us in the park. Got quite a few pictures of him taking off and landing. Great Airplane.
@opusx._.6092
@opusx._.6092 Жыл бұрын
I’m not a pilot, I’ve flown all of 3 times commercially, when you talk about different planes I generally have no clue what you’re talking about. All that being said, I could listen to you talk about the cost:benefit analysis on the 9 different ways of skinning a cat. Thank you Patey Brothers for piquing my interest in aviation. Because of you I will some day own a bush plane and have my private pilots license.
@MrFg1980
@MrFg1980 8 ай бұрын
The fact that there are less engine management concerns holds as much value as the faster airspeeds and time to climb considerations in my book. Money well spent. Love the numbers videos, that's the info we need.
@05Petedriver
@05Petedriver Жыл бұрын
I sure didn't think that was boring. I'm not a pilot, I'm not an aircraft owner, nor am I an aircraft mechanic. I am a Patey enthusiast, and seeing how passionate Mark is on this subject makes it interesting. But then again, I enjoyed reading Encyclopedias as a child
@richardmurrayjr.2338
@richardmurrayjr.2338 Жыл бұрын
Mike, of course it was worth it. You two already engineered that decision to death I’m sure before dropping the 1M. Love you guys, get back to work!😂
@B3ARPA73
@B3ARPA73 Жыл бұрын
That’s why we love watching your channel. By breaking down the numbers, you are giving everyone real data and not just all emotion. You have plenty of that to spare as well but each post is exceptionally thought through. Keep on sharing.
@pnorva
@pnorva Жыл бұрын
Watched the full video just because both of your enthusiasm and passion for aviation is contagious. I’m just an Army Helo (AH-64D) pilot who flies general aviation when I get a chance. I can appreciate it when I don’t have to pay out of pocket for both scheduled or unscheduled maintenance on these helicopters. So it’s amazing to me that someone like yourselves can afford that much. Maybe I’ll never get there (which is ok), but I’ll continue to watch your videos and live my vicariously thru yours. Back to work!
@douglasyoung1955
@douglasyoung1955 Жыл бұрын
Mark showed up in Sedona this week with that B E A utiful bird. It was a pleasure meeting you!
@speedypt
@speedypt Жыл бұрын
That was an AMAZING and easy to understand update. Thanks Mark (and Mike). Love your content and living vicariously through you both!
@k5edd128
@k5edd128 Жыл бұрын
Smiling! Galveston, TX: Was raised on a ranch just about 50 miles from there. My uncle and aunt owned a bay house there, and we got to go play as kids.
@ginvr
@ginvr Жыл бұрын
Watched this on Marks channel, Just watched it again here. Great video, Hearing how excited mark was to give those beautiful numbers was worth the time to hear it again
@whatnextjoe
@whatnextjoe Жыл бұрын
The experience you share with us is worth the time we spend with you on KZfaq, Thanks Mike And Mark for sharing! love your channel.
@jalenunruh8837
@jalenunruh8837 Жыл бұрын
Yeah we're gonna need a few shots of Perry in your video outro Mike!! It's officially been Pateyized!
@gmcjetpilot
@gmcjetpilot Жыл бұрын
I love ppl talking about $1M as if nothing for a motor. That is my net worth. Ha ha. I have zero jealousy and feel rich in the Lord and all the blessings I have, including my Lyc 0360 powered RV7. I love numbers as an engineer and airline pilot.... The upgrade was worth it? If you have the money yes. It definitely added performance and resale value. Q: Is that a $1M including trade in for original PT6? Considering a full PT6 overhaul is $460K flat rate, (could be less), $1M for a NEW PT6 with higher thermal limits is pretty good. Aviation to save $1M you have to spend $5 million. Ha ha. Planes do not fly with LIFT and THRUST.... They fly with $$$$$$$$$.
@stephandelaat
@stephandelaat Жыл бұрын
460 flat rate overhaul will not happen.
@gmcjetpilot
@gmcjetpilot Жыл бұрын
@stephandelaat who are you? Won't happen? Ha ha. $460K is not 460. Punctuation matters. That is $460,000 and it is high. It can be done for less. I talked to P&W Canada. I worked for P&W military engines in CT as an engineer. Ala Cart overhaul with minimal parts replaced is less if the PT6 is in good condition, well-maintained and properly operated. Does not include prop overhaul. I just looked it up. Do research before you open your mouth.
@stephandelaat
@stephandelaat Жыл бұрын
@@gmcjetpilot I sell PT6A maintenance and in can tell you an all inclusive (oem approved) flat rate overhaul for 67B at 460k can not be done. 460k is probably closer to the average 67B overhaul price. They can end up at 600k or even higher.
@gmcjetpilot
@gmcjetpilot Жыл бұрын
@@stephandelaat What is it? Can or can't be done for $460K? You contradicted yourself. Did you think I said 460 dollars? Ha ha. If you have a crack in combustor or turbine cost can go way up. I have 35 yrs in turbine aircraft cert, maintenance and operations, mechanical engineer, ATP with 6 types. If you can (apparently) buy a new PT6 for $1M (M means million) then yes you can get an overhaul for much less. Your Apology to me accepted.
@2K9s
@2K9s Жыл бұрын
Engine not a motor.
@cspruitt3190
@cspruitt3190 Жыл бұрын
Those 2 episodes should be used in a lecture series. Very well done. Thank you
@Jimmypupkin
@Jimmypupkin Жыл бұрын
This video was way out of my wheelhouse but your excitement kept me on the edge of my seat!!
@davidrobins4025
@davidrobins4025 Жыл бұрын
Your explanation of the process you are following makes total sense - NEW for OLD with less expense and better quality. I like the way you and Mike think.
@SmittySmithsonite
@SmittySmithsonite Жыл бұрын
Faster AND less workload? Can't beat that! Plus I'm sure you can be off the runway & clearing obstacles quicker, too. Probably not as much of a factor out West as it is up here in the Northeast with trees and wires everywhere, but still an added bonus nonetheless! Thanks for the breakdown, Mark. I love that aircraft!! 👍😎👍
@gls9902
@gls9902 Жыл бұрын
WELL THAT cinches it, I'm getting a Pilatus and upgrading the engine like this! The numbers and the increased simplicity of flying ~ done deal. Thanks Mike and Mark for your outstanding contribution to aviation, YES ! !
@1225drob
@1225drob Жыл бұрын
I loved his energy in this video. Obviously very pleased and excited about the upgrade👍
@stevehammond7485
@stevehammond7485 Жыл бұрын
I did watch Mark's vid but it's great to see you add one. Thanks Mikey!
@laska907
@laska907 Жыл бұрын
Had to pause at the 12 minute mark to say Damn I don’t even own a platty (yet?🤔) and I’m sold on this engine! Can’t wait to see it in the air!
@golfbravowhiskey8669
@golfbravowhiskey8669 Жыл бұрын
I think watching it the second time you get to see how excited Mark is. I’m about two hours by car north of Galveston right at the Leona Vor.
@fetchit55
@fetchit55 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed and understood more of Mark’s thinking this second time watching the video. Thanks for the repeat! Pilatus is my favorite dream plane. 😊
@johnreed8872
@johnreed8872 Жыл бұрын
Some take off and runway length numbers would be awesome, thanks for the update!
@terrancestodolka4829
@terrancestodolka4829 11 ай бұрын
Great information. The low down is apples to apples, not the oranges, bananas, or pineapples... Time speed, temperature, altitude...and most important Fuel burn per setting... The added value and of safety and ease of operation as you point out is "Priceless"... Thanks Mike to all of us gearhead airplane numbers pilots out there... We devour POA for the gold in them...
@ErikssonTord_2
@ErikssonTord_2 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic summing up on the upgrade, loved it!
@PhilG999
@PhilG999 Жыл бұрын
As a Mechanical Engineer (now retired) I am always interested in engines and things they go in! Sadly, most of my professional career was involved in Forensic Failure Analysis of those where the internals decided they didn't want to play nice with each other anymore! ☹
@TomGS
@TomGS Жыл бұрын
So, you studied what happened when internal combustion transitions to external combustion... Ferrari might want to have a word. Lol
@PhilG999
@PhilG999 Жыл бұрын
@@TomGS Actually most of the ones *I* dealt with were German Diesels. Ones that usually were run low or out of oil, and then run to destruction. 😡
@danielc9312
@danielc9312 Жыл бұрын
It may have seemed boring to you but as one consumer of millions that benefit from people like you doing that work thanks :)
@TomGS
@TomGS Жыл бұрын
@@danielc9312 ditto
@RadDadisRad
@RadDadisRad Жыл бұрын
@@PhilG999 the design engineers call that unscheduled rapid disassembly a feature not a bug. 😂 as an automation engineer I’d say that it was purely mechanical related. 😂
@glock19gen3
@glock19gen3 Жыл бұрын
Love these different vids! Keep them coming
@Agislife1960
@Agislife1960 Жыл бұрын
Anytime they invite you to be a guest speaker at Oshkosh, you've made the big time in aviation.
@jimsodowsky1298
@jimsodowsky1298 Жыл бұрын
As an FAA Certified pilot and A&P Technician all of Mark;s explanation makes sense.
@troymholmanify
@troymholmanify Жыл бұрын
I love the honesty upfront. I'm still watching, though :D
@eiselbay
@eiselbay Жыл бұрын
that was awesome! Thanks Mark!
@geraldhancotte7887
@geraldhancotte7887 Жыл бұрын
Great job Mark..! Love the paint job on Perry.
@YardLimit
@YardLimit Жыл бұрын
Thanks for giving us the details!
@MichaelSmith-eq5lf
@MichaelSmith-eq5lf Жыл бұрын
well done , loved the numbers crunching
@ss442es
@ss442es 11 ай бұрын
That's awesome and makes perfect sense. Thanks for the explanation, It's good that you are spending long cruise time collecting data instead of just going for the ride so that you can make this stuff work. Don't ever lose the spirit of blasting around the mountains and valleys of Utah with friends just having fun flying with some cool music. We enjoy watching that too. Thanks!
@jdkenyon
@jdkenyon Жыл бұрын
The passion shown between both Mike and Mark is incredible. Thank you for sharing your talents with the world.
@johnp9773
@johnp9773 Жыл бұрын
Pateys explaining hurts
@Andykev
@Andykev Жыл бұрын
This was enjoyable to see how you have "thought engineered" all of the numbers for betterment of the flight, costs, and safety. Great!!
@tomenglish8554
@tomenglish8554 Жыл бұрын
Keep it coming, Mike. Thanks for mixing it up. See you in the sky's.
@jublejones9983
@jublejones9983 Жыл бұрын
It would be amazing to see the real time cockpit calculations during flight. Excellent content
@ben3989
@ben3989 Жыл бұрын
I like your relative breakdowns of Eng temp and weight variables. I find that very interesting.
@jugglinglessons
@jugglinglessons Жыл бұрын
I watched this on Mark's channel, thanks for reposting. Good data!
@wolf-dietergrabner9762
@wolf-dietergrabner9762 Жыл бұрын
You guys inspire me.Thanks for your work and enthusiasm.
@shamu3838
@shamu3838 Жыл бұрын
The first flight will be extremely exciting. Way cool. I love the best tug for my Columbia 350 that I purchased from you. I push and pull my hanger door open and shut with it too! Great design!
@johnp9773
@johnp9773 Жыл бұрын
Cool video. Mark is intense in a different way. He’s not messing around
@arthurjones9580
@arthurjones9580 Жыл бұрын
Loved the breakdown!
@rdyer8764
@rdyer8764 Жыл бұрын
You were right. I couldn't care less about the details you mentioned. BUT what I did enjoy hearing about is all the various considerations that you talked about as a pilot. As you can tell, I'm not one, but I am a fan of technical knowledge, and it always gets my motor revved to hear the kinds of things that other smart people have to deal with. So thanks!! It was well worth my time.
@andrew.mccarter
@andrew.mccarter Жыл бұрын
Explained so well im not a plane engine guy but i totally understood that
@FlyingNDriving
@FlyingNDriving Жыл бұрын
Nice to see a break from the house
@zzwcpj
@zzwcpj Жыл бұрын
I don't own, or fly but watched the whole video because I like details and stats....... Pretty cool............
@portnuefflyer
@portnuefflyer Жыл бұрын
This Rotax 912S engine pilot found this fascinating!
@moacyrsilveira
@moacyrsilveira 2 ай бұрын
Very nice comparison. Loved the data shown
@benschrader238
@benschrader238 Жыл бұрын
Your explanation covers what the poor pilot was trying to manage in the Pilates medical flight accident. God bless them all. Thanks for the info
@jamesburns2232
@jamesburns2232 Жыл бұрын
The NTSB made it appear as if the Pilates medical flight accident was caused by inflight breakup or structural failure in which case the pilots were not the cause of their demise. 🤔🧐😳
@OnceShy_TwiceBitten
@OnceShy_TwiceBitten Жыл бұрын
@@jamesburns2232 can you elaborate? I have not heard of that one? Maybe a paragraph of everything?
@jamesburns2232
@jamesburns2232 Жыл бұрын
@@OnceShy_TwiceBitten You need to contact Dan Grider from Probable Cause. He can explain it much better than I can.
@jefffrank48
@jefffrank48 Жыл бұрын
Excellent Analysis! Definitely worth it! For me, the improved Pilot Workload is the real win.
@insolentstickleback3266
@insolentstickleback3266 Жыл бұрын
Great video Mark! Also, the Pilatus looks sexy as heck in that new paint, really nice look on that sleek airframe!
@billjamison2877
@billjamison2877 Жыл бұрын
You two are the GREATEST!
@davewilliams639
@davewilliams639 Жыл бұрын
Awesome fact filled video....Thank You!
@wh5476
@wh5476 Жыл бұрын
I miss Draco and the PT6 yall head in it . yall two brothers are amazing
@kaleheidke5232
@kaleheidke5232 8 ай бұрын
So smart so easy to listen to, bonus is I can understand your math/plane limits and peaks.! Legend thanks the more times I watch the more I learn.! Thank you
@thetexianpatriot2201
@thetexianpatriot2201 Жыл бұрын
Good Morning,Mike and Mark!
@91rss
@91rss Жыл бұрын
fresh wax job helps you as well. and protecting the boots with age master really helps, You can resell the old engine, you have no bulletins to go or be having to do soon on a legacy engine if you can get parts my friend said
@FutureSystem738
@FutureSystem738 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark, thanks Mike, great stuff! Big 👍
@MonkPetite
@MonkPetite Жыл бұрын
Mark, you did a perfect explanation. It’s so good I can use it in my lectures at aviation college 😊. Obviously the climbing part is what makes thermal difference performance wise. Nice to see your able to gain some more cruise speed. But getting there the easy way makes grade. I have flown loads of multi engine pt6 planes and yes we set those energies not to exceed red line ever. We gave up some speed / performance to make some space for cockpit management. Luckily some newer planes made life better by upgrade like yours Congratulations 👏
@RWBHere
@RWBHere Жыл бұрын
These two videos are on both channels, with minor differences. Thanks guys.
@bnelson313braveheart8
@bnelson313braveheart8 Жыл бұрын
Very well presented! Love your videos!
@davidchristensen2898
@davidchristensen2898 5 ай бұрын
I am not a pilot but that whole video was fantastic to watch ! I can grasp less drag at higher altitude and better fuel consumption, more power in reserve for emergencies, fascinating stuff ! Thank you for all the information !
@daverohn383
@daverohn383 Жыл бұрын
I'm a Cessna guy. Those stats are WAY outta my league!
@lockedin60
@lockedin60 Жыл бұрын
Not that I understood everything but what I understood sounds awesome. Glad the results that you are getting is making the most sense. But I don't expect Mark and you doing anything without looking at the numbers. Numbers can lie if not use by the right person. But they can tell stories and prove things that estimates can never tell you. Great job guys.
@ericpecquerie4868
@ericpecquerie4868 Жыл бұрын
I am still missing Draco. Such a wonderful beast of an airplane. But we need to move on.
@lesbouma9666
@lesbouma9666 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike. Great video.
@philcourteney4328
@philcourteney4328 Жыл бұрын
I first fell in love with an aircraft when I started skydiving, our PC6 EC-KGD 🥰 love the pilatus style, they all look beautiful!
@f-godz3342
@f-godz3342 Жыл бұрын
Same. F-GODZ 🤘
@philcourteney4328
@philcourteney4328 Жыл бұрын
@@f-godz3342 YES MATE! Iconic Jumpship 😜🤘 I’ve never been to BK, but EVERYONE knows that plane 😁
@alcurmudgen3345
@alcurmudgen3345 Жыл бұрын
You loved it sooooo much, you jumped out? 😂
@jasoncbrothers
@jasoncbrothers Жыл бұрын
So cool that you guys have a home in Galveston too. Please keep in touch as we are also thinking of getting another home there as well. We live in Reno but all of our family are in TX.
@cousteaufan
@cousteaufan Жыл бұрын
These data-analysis videos deserve a separate KZfaq channel! Very very very interesting.
@alainmartel119
@alainmartel119 Жыл бұрын
Great to learn from a customer that we did a good job with this new epecs engine
@Smokkedandslammed
@Smokkedandslammed Жыл бұрын
Oh dang, ill have to keep an eye out for a bunch of 💪's being thrown around next time I'm working in Galvestoon!
@DutchKC9UOD
@DutchKC9UOD 11 ай бұрын
Got to love this guy! Pushing the tech in flying! Now I regret not taking almost free flight lessons in the Air Force in 1973
@clarencehopkins7832
@clarencehopkins7832 Жыл бұрын
Excellent stuff bro
@NovejSpeed3
@NovejSpeed3 Жыл бұрын
I can't remember his name but I'm subscribed to a guy who was a A&P at Surf Air. He said their pilots always preferred flying the Legacy birds over the NGs because they were quicker. He said even though the NGs had a more powerful engine it was negated by the heft of that Honeywell Primus and all its videocards.....(Which he showed are located underneath the cabin floor by the way lol) He always said the NG motor in the Legacy bird would be a hot rod!!!
@andrewwatson9805
@andrewwatson9805 Жыл бұрын
Love the numbers!
@6stostormo
@6stostormo Жыл бұрын
Thanks for everising regards from Svizzerland
@brianbiddle7590
@brianbiddle7590 Жыл бұрын
Another great video!
@WalkingTrashcan
@WalkingTrashcan Жыл бұрын
As a person who isnt really into aviation (i mean I do watch this channel and find it very interesting but that’s about the extent of my interest) and didnt even know what a Pilatus is until a week or so ago, I still really enjoyed this video. I guess I just really like numbers.
@CR-eo2ts
@CR-eo2ts Жыл бұрын
One measurement is worth a thousand opinions. 👍
@peytont100
@peytont100 Жыл бұрын
its good to see some flying content for a change.
@flyingrock2682
@flyingrock2682 Жыл бұрын
After seeing a ton of pilatus at work, this is insane hearing about the difference. With all of the modifications you have already done, do you have the door handle upgrade to make it flush with the side, and I believe there is also a speed nose that will also grab you a few more knots. The nose is rare and I have only seen 2 of them. I feel like the whole experience of having it done and a new feeling for the plane is great for piloting! Keep up the good work!!!
@flyingrock2682
@flyingrock2682 Жыл бұрын
I do remember both of the speed noses I have seen were on legacy pc12. I don’t know if there is a restriction because of a different engine from not seeing it on the ng.
@stejac51
@stejac51 Жыл бұрын
... very interesting ... whilst I have not flown the PC12 I have flown the Leonardo 139 with the Heli versions of this engine ... the digital fuel controls just offer so much more from the aircraft ... I can so understand the enthusiasm ... nice stuff !
@andrewagner2035
@andrewagner2035 Жыл бұрын
Greetings from Cape Town. Although your numbers refer to the PC12, your presentation can be used on how to consider an STC for any aircraft, and work the numbers to see if it’s a worthwhile proposition. Nice video.
@gregsutton2400
@gregsutton2400 Жыл бұрын
Great vid!
@dave-wk4t
@dave-wk4t Жыл бұрын
Glad THIS PC12 is okay and everyone is safe. Sad about crash in Vegas
@glencrandall7051
@glencrandall7051 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing.🙂🙂
@waynenocton
@waynenocton Жыл бұрын
Good Saturday morning!
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