(2/3) TBS Crossfire Series: Your TBS Crossfire Questions Covered (Part 1)

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Painless360

Painless360

6 жыл бұрын

Questions covered in this video (Part 1):
2:10 Using the graphs on the Crossfire
4:54 RSSI and LQ
6:25 Antenna alignement tips
10:21 Unlocking a module
11:28 Multiple pilots supported?
12:17 Using Non CRSF capable kit
14:21 Connecting the KISS/Raceflight
The other questions are covered in Part 2!
In the video I'm using version XF TX BETA v2.08 on the module. Betaflight 3.2RC5 and OpenTX 2.2.
"The TBS CROSSFIRE is a long range R/C link based on the newest RF technology, capable of self-healing two-way communications and range beyond comprehension. With a sensitivity of -130dB, full RF-side diversity, tiny receivers for FPV quads, the TBS CROSSFIRE contains the most modern technology to provide a superior long range control link."
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@timothyphillips4801
@timothyphillips4801 Жыл бұрын
Best thing about this channel is "reference " I'm getting into Crossfire in 2023,and with your description and answering peoples questions it's a brilliant watch and read. #1 channel in my book. Thank you.
@megatrolltrollington
@megatrolltrollington 6 жыл бұрын
This video series is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.
@rl2109
@rl2109 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video, full of detail...! This is another clip that I will likely watch several times, with a notebook at hand...! Thanks for posting!
@widgets76
@widgets76 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this series! got my micro bundle yesterday; hopefully installing over the weekend!
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
+kuunder_fpv Best of luck!
@Dailyartpallette
@Dailyartpallette 6 жыл бұрын
You've gotta Love this channel, cheers.
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
Glad it's useful! Thanks for the comment :D
@m-alevesquefpv8971
@m-alevesquefpv8971 6 жыл бұрын
Just realised i wasnt subscribed yet WTF??, This channels is so much helpful! Thanks for sharing all those vids dude! Cheers
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
+M-A Levesque FPV thanks for subscribing! Happy flying!
@martykracher
@martykracher 6 жыл бұрын
Great series! Thanks!
@ArnaudDeSmedt
@ArnaudDeSmedt 6 жыл бұрын
@painless360 THX for your content and effort !!
@sumerianrcpilot8889
@sumerianrcpilot8889 6 жыл бұрын
wooow, awesome Q & A session. Can you please explain a bit about how CRSF will work with pixhawk 2. Many Thanks
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the idea. I'll add it to the list. Until it's supported in the Ardupilot code (it's been asked for - github.com/ArduPilot/ardupilot/issues/7006) then you're stuck with S-Bus ;D
@matthewmaxwell7511
@matthewmaxwell7511 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, I appreciate this and your video on the eagle eyes vector. With that said, using SBUS on channel 8 for the diversity RX and running the configuration wizard it looks like my "flaps" switch is not recognized. If we use SBUS does that mean we are limited to 8 total channels? Does bumping up to 12 on the TBS TX do anything for me? Do you recommend using LQ on channel 7 on the TBS TX to get telemetry from the vector? Sorry, just trying to figure out gow to be able to use flaps along with telemetry after SBUS is on channel 8 on the diversity receiver using the Vector. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
@alejandropetrakovsky1068
@alejandropetrakovsky1068 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video! I have a question, I use flysky nirvana and the crossfire tx needs external input power so that the nirvana does not turno off. Can I use a 3s 450 mah battery to give external power? or what lipo would you recommend for this issue? thanks in advance.
@Painless360
@Painless360 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure, can anyone else please help?
@Ottivad
@Ottivad 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you !
@mportillo78
@mportillo78 6 жыл бұрын
I notice in your example with the antennas you are holding the module itself sideways as you talk about lining up the antennas. Would you have your antenna rotated like that once module is installed into the tx? Most people I see have it coming straight out and going side to side/horizontal.
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
Depends on how you mount the antennas on the model. You need to think about making sure that they are lined up as much as possible. TBS talked to me about vertical being a good choice..
@BrutusTheUgly
@BrutusTheUgly 6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, thanks a lot
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
Glad it did, I'm covering a lot of detail here ! :D What bit helped?
@BrutusTheUgly
@BrutusTheUgly 6 жыл бұрын
Well a lot, the SWR screen, I had no clue about what could I guess from the graph. Your precision on the Noise downlink screen is very useful too, the fact that the TX can get info from the crossfire for the alerts. I always put my receiver antenna horizontal and not vertical... and I was thinking that the micro RX antenna should be strait up and down and not with a 90 degree angle (flying wing setup), so thanks a lot and looking forward for the next video :)
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
As you asked, here is a sneak peak - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pqiBn5x6urSaZ5c.html ;)
@gavinnblake
@gavinnblake 6 жыл бұрын
Hello I have bind my drone to crossfire but Rac input no signal and ht input no signal in the output map Rossi, lq,Rossi/lq,ppm,sbus,n.i.sbus, and the ch. 1 to 12 but no craft v2
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
Without more detail it's impossible to offer any advice. Happy to help but please watch kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pdJ5pLeauLCseY0.html and come back to me with more detail of what you've tried..
@doktordrone
@doktordrone 4 жыл бұрын
thank you very much 🙏❤️🍺
@joel_fpv
@joel_fpv 6 жыл бұрын
Will crossfire support IRC Tramp via Lau script to change channels from your Taranis?
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
We need to wait until BF 3.3 for all of that to be possible..
@joel_fpv
@joel_fpv 6 жыл бұрын
yes , I found it, irc tramp works BF 3.2 lau script on crossfire micro with the qx7 github.com/codecae/betaflight-tx-lua-revised/tree/x7_test github.com/opentx/opentx/tree/2.2/radio/sdcard/taranis-x7/CROSSFIRE
@joel_fpv
@joel_fpv 6 жыл бұрын
YES , it works, on my qx7 with crsf micro , I can change my video channels from irc tramp Vtx on BF lau script v1.0-rc 2. FC must have BF 3.2.
@--JohnDoe
@--JohnDoe 6 жыл бұрын
Question - Running on crsf runs at 150hz then switches to 50 hz. But when and how? And how can we know it switched? And what are the benifits of switching to 50 hz? At a certain rssi or lq? LOL you may need a 4 part series, we reallly appreciate this!
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
+John Doe where did you read that. Do you have a link? Thanks..
@--JohnDoe
@--JohnDoe 6 жыл бұрын
Painless360 On page 33 of the crossfire manual. www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.team-blacksheep.com/tbs-crossfire-manual.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjVi_rE3vHWAhXKwVQKHYDSDmIQFgglMAA&usg=AOvVaw35Tq6_uc_pFW0hg3q3Ev_k I did some testing, and where it says LQ on the crossfire. It says 300 until you go not that far, then it drops to 100, then slowly goes down to about 40 or 50 then it's very unstable, uplink would always completely drop out bofore downlink. And power level didn't change it that much. I'm not sure what the osd says during this I was just reading the back of the unit while driving. Going through like 25-50 houses. I'm not exactly sure but I played with it alot and the only consistant thing that made it go from 300 lq to 100- lq was when lq for both uplink and downlink were below 280. I had uplink below 150 with down still at 300 and visa versa. I tried forced telemetry and numbers went up but the light wouldn't go green/bind. Oh and the 915 mhz had significantly better numbers than 868 at distance, but 868 had better numbers closer. 😕😕
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
+John Doe let me add that to the list, it's about how the amount of data drops as the range increase to maintain a connection.. Thanks for the suggestion..
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
As you asked, here is a sneak peak - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pqiBn5x6urSaZ5c.html ;)
@OZSCQUADS
@OZSCQUADS 6 жыл бұрын
Nice. Very nice. Just wish I could afford the full CF. Any chance you could run through setup etc for the Micro Tx also? Maybe outlining what is different between the 2?
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
The differences are covered in this series and the LUA script performs the same function as the screen on the full sized one for the MicroTx. Hope that helps.. happy flying!
@centralfloridalawncare8373
@centralfloridalawncare8373 6 жыл бұрын
Will this work with a Spektrum DX7?
@Politicallyhomeless957
@Politicallyhomeless957 4 жыл бұрын
Central Florida Lawncare if you have a trainer port yes. You just have to switch two wires
@du4-fpv777
@du4-fpv777 6 жыл бұрын
Is is there a way to connect it to a Spektrum dx6e that does not have a trainer Port because it has Wireless trainer? And thank you very much for your videos it seems like everything I want to know about certain products you're the one who covers it if Joshua Bardwell doesn't. You're awesome! I have recommended your channel too many friends!
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
The inputs are only using the pins or the supplied adapter cables.. Happy flying! :D
@itsover-fs7wm
@itsover-fs7wm 4 жыл бұрын
Just finished building a plane which I've used tbs nano receiver in got it to bind and work eventually it is setup to use sbus and not crossfire. But now when I go to fly my quad which also runs a tbs nano but uses crossfire it won't arm the quad? Any ideas.
@Painless360
@Painless360 4 жыл бұрын
I'd rebind the other one in case it's a firmware update thing...
@itsover-fs7wm
@itsover-fs7wm 4 жыл бұрын
@@Painless360 I really appreciate the quick response. Managed to work it out by plugging the fC in and running the kiss gui. For some reason the arm switch had been changed to aux 2 when it had been aux1 previously causing to not arm.
@rudiphoto
@rudiphoto 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining all that! Great work as always. My question for the next instalment: Can you still receive telemetry when you run Crossfire with SBUS, or can you only receive LQ and other telemetry through CRSF? ???
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
You receive basic signal telemetry from the receiver only if you're not using CRSF on the far end. You need that bi-directional feature of CRSF from the FC to get all the extra telemetry back from Betaflight (V3.3 needed for full support)..
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
As you asked, here is a sneak peak - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pqiBn5x6urSaZ5c.html ;)
@hectorlmges
@hectorlmges 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, is it a good idea to fly TBS with a Jeti TX via PPM? Can you get telemetry back that way? Does somebody know if Jeti is working on implementing CRSF protocol? Thanks
@Painless360
@Painless360 4 жыл бұрын
No idea, I've not tried those radios. In theory it'll work but not be as useful as CRSF...
@hectorlmges
@hectorlmges 4 жыл бұрын
Painless360. Thanks anyway, it is difficult to find info about Jeti and TBS. It would be great if they start to collaborate in the short future...
@janiversen4391
@janiversen4391 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Can you use a TBS crossfire TX EU Version on a Taranis plus NON EU Version?
@Painless360
@Painless360 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. The Crossfire module doesn't care.
@janiversen4391
@janiversen4391 4 жыл бұрын
@@Painless360 Thank you so much. Think i will order the top TX . Any suggestion on RXes for long range in plane using matek F405wing
@Painless360
@Painless360 4 жыл бұрын
I use the micros with the Immortal T antennas in my wings.. Works great.
@TheWasch24
@TheWasch24 6 жыл бұрын
Your videos are great help. Would you consider making one on how to setup LQ alarms and voice alerts on QX7 ? There’s not a lot of complete info on this topic that I can find. Thanks !
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
+TheWasch24 great idea. Will do afte covering Rf modes in the next video..
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
Preview just for you - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hsChedyk1MrUYnU.html ;)
@dreambock
@dreambock 6 жыл бұрын
Hey painless360. Thanks for the review. Which RSSI must i use for the telemetry warning? TQly or RQly. I think RQly.
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
RQly sounds the best bet. www.dropbox.com/s/i0wrjv32szjvabv/Telemetry%20setup%20image%20for%20Crossfire.jpg?dl=0 should give you a few ideas! :D
@eckythump6429
@eckythump6429 6 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to show the features of crossfire when paired up with a Tango or is it a case of waiting for the next Betaflight update for the juicy features to be released?
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
I'll show more of that in the next video if it'll help. To be honest the setup LUA scripts on the OpenTX radios and the menus on the Tango are almost identical. The big change will come with 3.2/3.3 where the full directional support in BF will be implemented. Then we'll have full control over everything from the radio - Crossfire, Receiver, Betaflight settings.. (Inset evil laugh here
@fpvkagge
@fpvkagge Жыл бұрын
Hi. Maybe u know the answer to my question. When my drone/airplane use a gps the coordinates shows in my crsf 2w module...but not all the digits. Hiw can I make my crsf show all numbers in longitude/ latitude?
@Painless360
@Painless360 Жыл бұрын
CRSF? Do you mean Crossfire or another system that talks CRSF?
@fpvkagge
@fpvkagge Жыл бұрын
@@Painless360 crsf= crossfire🙂 just shortened down.
@Painless360
@Painless360 Жыл бұрын
With respect, CRSF is a protocol designed by Team BlackSheep and championed through the TBS CROSSFIRE remote control system. Multiple systems such as Crossfire, ExpressLRS and Tracer all can use versions of the CRSF protocol. Hence my question.
@fpvkagge
@fpvkagge Жыл бұрын
@@Painless360 i always learn something new ever day. But my question was about gps and coordinates showing on the crossfire 2w module and how to use it.
@Chris-vc1dh
@Chris-vc1dh Жыл бұрын
can I run 2 tbs with 2 planes at the same time? Thank you
@Painless360
@Painless360 Жыл бұрын
I don't think you can.. Best of luck
@sharkbytefpv4326
@sharkbytefpv4326 6 жыл бұрын
When will part 3 come online?
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
+sharkbyte FPV not for a few weeks.. what bit are you waiting for..
@antoineozaneaux6881
@antoineozaneaux6881 6 жыл бұрын
how can you tell that you are flying to far away ? does the video signal get worse before the tx rx signal when using 5.8 gh at 600 me ?
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
The video signal will start to break up and get lots of noise in the image. If you watch video of long range flights some of them show what happens to the signal as you approach the ‘edge’ of the FPV range.. using diversity and sensitive, directional antennas with sensitive FPV reciever will help a lot..
@mark675
@mark675 6 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual :) i have a question that i dont see asked at all so its probably dumb lol Im trying to use the tbs v2 micro receiver on a flying wing with the tbs servo adaptor board (throttle in ch1, servos in ch2 and 3) after successfully binding it the two servos are working but the motor is just beeping at me, any idea why this is? Thankyou for any help its driving me mad 😂
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
Not sure, I've not used that board here. Maybe check that the servos move if connected to the ESC output to see if it's working at all? Maybe a power issues - is everything getting the power it needs? Best of luck!
@buggzy99
@buggzy99 6 жыл бұрын
hi, i read alot of us are'nt able to get rssi working when using the crossfire. i have it on a tbs vendetta and have tried everything i can find and rssi doesnt show up.
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
+Eric V choose LQ in one of the output channels in the receiver and select that channel as the RSSI channel in Betaight as normal.. eat of luck!
@koenvrintsacecore2806
@koenvrintsacecore2806 6 жыл бұрын
A build with FrSky, Crossfire and pixhawk. Would be a nice build to see to get all the telemetry on the remote
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
Simply configure two of the connections on the receiver as MAVLINK , and put those into the telemetry port connections on the flight controller. Simple. Best of luck!
@koenvrintsacecore2806
@koenvrintsacecore2806 6 жыл бұрын
not easy to get the LUA script to work. HORUS controller, Pixhawk 2.1, Crossfire
@fpvandgasrc4321
@fpvandgasrc4321 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I setup my crossfire micro RX and TX the same way you did the only problem I'm having is I selected lq on the DST channel 12 in the RX settings but then in betaflight receiver tab I also selected channel 12 in my RSSI is at 22%. I thought you have to select Channel 8 orox 8 in the receiver tab for the RSSI to work on my OSD I did that and it now shows 99%. My question to you is do the first four channels count as actual Channel numbers like throttle roll pitch and yaw. Thanks Steve
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
+Steve Maratea yep, Ch5 in the RSSI setting is AUX1 in the channel list. There is work to improve the rssi-LQ pieces for use with things like Betaflight, I'll share as I get more detail..
@fpvandgasrc4321
@fpvandgasrc4321 6 жыл бұрын
Painless360 great thank you so much for the response. Just one more question.. what telemetry warning should i set on the taranis? Is it Rqly? Cause if i look on the telemetry screen thats the one closest to 99%lq when im right next to quad. Or is it the 1RSS or 2RSS. And what value shpuld i have it warm me at?.. thanks so much
@danielmason4494
@danielmason4494 4 жыл бұрын
Can you run crsf protocol on eagle tree vector flight controller?
@Painless360
@Painless360 4 жыл бұрын
Not last time I checked. If they've changed it recently it'll be in the manual. Happy flying!
@danielmason4494
@danielmason4494 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot. I couldn’t find it in the manual or firmware updates so I assume no. Merry Christmas!!
@Politicallyhomeless957
@Politicallyhomeless957 4 жыл бұрын
Just bought a full size module and will be running it off my DX8 G2. I know I have to switch two wires to get the Crossfire to work. Would you recommend just cutting and soldering or trying to re-pin it? Thanks for all your knowledge and happy Thanksgiving
@Painless360
@Painless360 4 жыл бұрын
Best wishes to you and yours too. I've not tried it with a DX8 so I can't comment. Best of luck with it!
@sparkles9868
@sparkles9868 5 жыл бұрын
What Vtx and Vrx do you recommend to use with this ?
@georgymartynovich4522
@georgymartynovich4522 5 жыл бұрын
Sparkles tbs unify
@puffandstuff72
@puffandstuff72 5 жыл бұрын
has anyone ever used the old Turnigy 9XR (non pro) with a crossfire?
@josephfreeman5289
@josephfreeman5289 4 жыл бұрын
Have you flashed open TX firmware and done the telemetry mod?
@mabfpv3296
@mabfpv3296 6 жыл бұрын
Hello Is it possible to connect the TBS Crossfire micro system to a DJI GPS Naza V2? Thank you
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
+MAB FPV yes it sure is, but you'll have to use s-bus from the reciever as i dont think the Naza supports crsf at the moment. Best of luck!
@mabfpv3296
@mabfpv3296 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply if I use Sbus I will not reach long distances, is this correct? Thanks
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
+MAB FPV no. Still be long range..
@smooth_ops2942
@smooth_ops2942 6 жыл бұрын
How do you install on spektrum dx6?
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
Depends on what trainer port you have on that one.. You'll have to use that port with the supplied cable and settle for PPM to the module..
@ghettotech9617
@ghettotech9617 6 жыл бұрын
Can you cover tbs micro
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
I will be.. stay tuned!
@tobias561
@tobias561 6 жыл бұрын
I installed the 2.2.0 on my X7, updated the crossfire (2.06), bound the TX/RX, but it still says "waiting for crossfire" when i open the folder. Plus i dont get any inputs in betaflight nor do i get telemetry on my QX7. I soldered the Ch1 to RX ant ch2 to TX. Ports are set to UART 3 where i put them. Can you help me out of this mess ?
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
+To bias you need to use the latest beta firmware available via the TBS agent software. See the first video in the series where I cover it. Best of luck
@tobias561
@tobias561 6 жыл бұрын
Painless360 i did that before. Unfortunately it didn't work. Then i downgraded to 2.06 cause in another video somebody said it needs to be 2.06. btw i have the tbs micro.
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
+To bias I was using 2.06 and really struggled until I used the latest beta firmware. Best of luck..
@tobias561
@tobias561 6 жыл бұрын
I hope this will work. Thank you so much!
@tobias561
@tobias561 6 жыл бұрын
Update for everyone. I bought a x9d (telemetry bug no problem anymore) and the main problem was that on the wizard x220 (sp racing F3 board) you need to wire CH1 on the backside of the board to ppm. So you back to ppm instead to CRSF. but hey , you get flying . Thanks for your help anyways! :)
@radiokicks
@radiokicks 4 жыл бұрын
Tbs did that "up down up down left right left right because theyre fans of old Nintendo cheets👽😂👽 dope!
@LCSRacing
@LCSRacing 6 жыл бұрын
Is all the functionality/ logic apply to the micro flavor as well? Thank you for your time!
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
+stef dan almost. See the chart detailing the differences in the first video. Hope it helps!
@mportillo78
@mportillo78 6 жыл бұрын
Did you have to do the hardware mod on your qx7 to get it to work?
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
Yes you do, unless you are using OpenTX 2.2.1 (not out yet though!)
@mportillo78
@mportillo78 6 жыл бұрын
I see in Furadi's newest video he mentions that the 1st gen qx7 do not have this problem. I hope that's true. I got mine when they first came out. Thanks!
@LCSRacing
@LCSRacing 6 жыл бұрын
Any sort of indicator that flags the earlier version of the q7 ?
@mportillo78
@mportillo78 6 жыл бұрын
Not that I know of other than when you got it. I got mine when they were first coming out and barely anyone had them in stock. I think it was in Feb.
@SgtPsson
@SgtPsson 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your incredibly enlightening videos! Now for the question: Is it somehow possible to connect the mavlink downlink to an antenna tracker, based on APM/Pixhawk, given the flight controller has a GPS connected? It would make an awesome package/solution. Thank you!
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
+SgtP The MAVLink support on the crossfire is fantastic. In fact it was one of the first things the Crossfire was used for, very long range control of MAVlink capable flight controllers. So you can do pretty much anything with it :)
@SgtPsson
@SgtPsson 6 жыл бұрын
Painless360 Sounds fantastic! I think I'll have to get me one... Thanks again for your fantastic videos!
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
+SgtP GST the full size one not the mini. You can share the MAVlink data over the inbuilt Bluetooth module and then connect anything to that BT link (tablet running Mission Planner for example)..
@SgtPsson
@SgtPsson 6 жыл бұрын
Painless360 Absolutely! The full size is on the list. The MAVlink/Bluetooth feature is one of the main reasons I'm looking into it, which I understand is not available with the micro version.
@Painless360
@Painless360 6 жыл бұрын
As you asked, here is a sneak peak - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pqiBn5x6urSaZ5c.html ;)
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