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Military expert WINSLOW T. WHEELER Explains why the f-35 will not cut it on the modern battlefield. (WATCH ALL MY VIDEO'S ON THE F-35)
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@brussell639
@brussell639 3 жыл бұрын
It's funny that the pilots who actually fly the F35 say that it excels at all of these tasks. Not one pilot wants to revert back to a legacy plane.
@nilservik7964
@nilservik7964 3 жыл бұрын
And what else do you expect them to say ?
@brussell639
@brussell639 3 жыл бұрын
@@nilservik7964 I expect to hear an objective analysis from the person who's life depends on how good or bad their plane is. Every new fighter plane has it's bugs to work out. When the F16 was in this phase, it was a dangerous plane. On average, they were losing one plane every week from crashes. There's only been one F35 plane lost to a crash in testing so far.
@nilservik7964
@nilservik7964 3 жыл бұрын
@@brussell639 That doesn't mean that it "excels in all of it's tasks" . One of the first testpilots said it can't climb, can't turn, can't climb. When it comes to manouverability, speed, payload and airtime before refueling it has many competitors who are better.
@brussell639
@brussell639 3 жыл бұрын
@@nilservik7964 Yes, and the software upgrades to the flight control computers have since eliminated those problems. You're only listening to the initial reports where they are working those issues. Don't you give any credence to the fact that all fighter jets have initial concerns that have to be addressed, and once they are addressed, they're no longer an issue? If the F16 was treated in a similar fashion, it would have simply been grounded as an unsafe airplane because of all the initial engine problems and flight control problems. But they didn't have the internet then, so it didn't get as much bad press as it initially deserved. But just like the F35, they were able to correct the issues it had, and it has gone on to be a very successful and capable plane. The F35 being flown today is not the same as the first few off the production line. They're constantly improving it, but a lot of people only want to stick to what they heard in the very beginning.
@nilservik7964
@nilservik7964 3 жыл бұрын
@@brussell639 Software upgrades don't solve those problems I mentioned. Yes, the plane has had massive software problems and maintainance problems, but that has nothing to do with being under motorized and lacking lift and payload. I have followed this plane closely because my country has spent terrible amounts of money on it that should have been used elsewhere.
@RegaDega
@RegaDega 2 жыл бұрын
11 years later, and this has aged horribly.
@danielqmul
@danielqmul 8 жыл бұрын
Run!! Get the fuck away from this airplane.
@meleket
@meleket 6 жыл бұрын
Lockheed Martin laughing all the way to the bank.
@charlesbukowski9836
@charlesbukowski9836 3 жыл бұрын
This program was a complete money grab...it was robbery straight up pure and simple ...not just to the benefit of the MIC but also politicians and the general staff to boot ...AND WE PAID FOR IT
@charleswest6372
@charleswest6372 2 жыл бұрын
Bunch of scumbags
@frankblangeard8865
@frankblangeard8865 10 жыл бұрын
As long as the USA only fights countries without the capability of fighting back then the performance of the F-35 really doesn't matter that much. Afghanistan, Libya...countries like that.
@luked4043
@luked4043 7 жыл бұрын
Frank Blangeard yeah but the cost matters.
@luked4043
@luked4043 7 жыл бұрын
Frank Blangeard what on Earth is the point in having a fighter so much more expensive that can't do the job better than what we have.
@Mirage2020
@Mirage2020 6 жыл бұрын
Cobradriver99 and you did it with f15 and f 16 not f35
@AvroBellow
@AvroBellow 6 жыл бұрын
Yep, if the USA faces China or Russia, it's game over.
@Neville60001
@Neville60001 4 жыл бұрын
Wait 'till they fight Russia or Chine in a future conflict....
@KapiteinKrentebol
@KapiteinKrentebol 10 жыл бұрын
The F-35 was even bad in Battlefield 2. =P
@NotSus_
@NotSus_ 10 жыл бұрын
it's shit in bf4 as well...
@thefreeman8791
@thefreeman8791 6 жыл бұрын
LOL. What do you mean? You could do back flips off a carrier with that thing in BF2. :D
@brussell639
@brussell639 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, you mean a plane's top secret performance characteristics aren't realized in your little game?
@Dcook85
@Dcook85 9 жыл бұрын
Hate to see the full maintenance manual on this thing...... probably makes the entire Encyclopedia Britannica look like an issue of Readers Digest.
@Rascallucci
@Rascallucci 5 жыл бұрын
I read somewhere that the F35 is so difficult to maintain whereby you can only fly one sortie every 5 days.
@wusong7966
@wusong7966 10 жыл бұрын
I totally agreed with this guy's opinion. As a fighter is definitely will not stand a chance against Russia and Chinese made fighters. And for a close support machine is too expenses and too weak against anti aircraft guns.
@titojr03
@titojr03 10 жыл бұрын
Wu Song You must be a very un-eduacated buffoon or a ridiculous but amusing person; a clown. I'm not intentionally trying insult your intelligence so lets get that out of the way now, at least not deliberately. I haven't even begun to view this persons opinion, actually I read your ridiculous comment way before I could even begin to load this video. Ok look, Mr. very claim to know…. Russia maybe I may actually give you the benefit of the doubt but thats pushing it..but please do research before making any claim or any kind of debate. You sound sooo .. I don't even have a word for it. How could you sit there and say for one that the Chinese have any advanced fighters. They have NUMBERS. They exceed in numbers my fellow human-being. The F-35 is a project in progress…we've had the F-22 Raptor 5th Generation Stealth Fighter since the 90s. The F-15 Strike Eagle, A-10 Thunderbolt, F,16 Fighting Falcon, F-18 Superhornet, F-117 Nighthawk, F-35 JSF Joint Strike Fighter….is a fraction ..only what we want you to know…OMG please tell me you haven't based your judgment on Made In Ching parts …seriously. We invented stealth tech along with so much more….and not just recently but as far back as the 60s almost 50 years ago…the world is just now learning of stealth and thats only because we want them to know since we can detect stealth by now. Stand a chance? You have got to me kidding me!!!! Close In Air Support was Designed in WWII. By the Untied States Marine Corps. We've been using this since we invented flying by the Wright Brothers. We have matched any Communist MIG in combat FACT!!! And murdered them in every conflict. Sir get your facts straight, or debate at a kindergarden level because your level of intell suggest you are but a child. Leave the grown man talk to adults and keep away.
@AVasiev
@AVasiev 10 жыл бұрын
Steven JayR You haven't defeated any communist MIGs in Korea thats for sure. Additionally the F-35's inferiority became glaringly obvious in a recent simulation run by John Stillion and Harold Scott Perdue, two analysts at RAND, a think tank in Santa Monica, California. Founded in 1948, RAND maintains close ties to the Air Force. The air arm provides classified data, and in return RAND games out possible war scenarios for government planners. In relation to this your claims about China are out of place, they have nearly 300 Su-27/30 like aircraft including 150 home made gen 4.5 SU ripoffs which are a fraction of the price, and I would wager more effective than the JSF....this isn't a discussion on who would win a war, as this gets way too complicated, but hypothetically I would rather be in a Chinese J-11 than a JSF in a one on one fight.
@shingGOLDmonkey224
@shingGOLDmonkey224 10 жыл бұрын
Steven JayR lol all it takes to detect stealth is long wave-length radar, and that's been around since 1940, not just recently.
@jimg1159
@jimg1159 10 жыл бұрын
Vynl Scratch That's NOT TRUE AT ALL. A long wave radar can be used like a smoke screen, to track the aircraft as it passes through and causes a change in the modulation of the signal. But it is not a sure thing and only works at short ranges. Ever heard of a HARM missile pony boy?
@jaysay7095
@jaysay7095 10 жыл бұрын
***** Don't compare their Walmart junk to their high end merchandise.
@rsKayiira
@rsKayiira Жыл бұрын
Mr Winslow Wheeler is wrong here(I'm commenting from 2022 so I have the benefit of hindsight). Mistake was underestimating advancements in computation and sensors. F35 direction was right.
@rickdeckard782
@rickdeckard782 9 жыл бұрын
Don't walk, run! LOL!!!
@jerryg53125
@jerryg53125 8 ай бұрын
This just in........Canada buys 88 F-35"s .Sometimes you just got to wait for it.
@jhaand
@jhaand 11 жыл бұрын
OMG. Why are we still trying to buy this airplane? It's a flying turd.
@stevescott1032
@stevescott1032 6 жыл бұрын
As light infantry, I didn't give a shit about fighters. They don't win wars and are too loud and noisy to be around. I kinda feel the same about the giant bombing mission. That's unnecessary killing of innocents. It didn't make the Germans look any cooler. The c-130 above me through... that was the angel of death. Helicopters were sick to have around too.
@AugustusLarch
@AugustusLarch 2 жыл бұрын
Infantry rocks. I have never been in the service. But I go on long range patrolling to stay in shape. Sometimes 35 miles in a circle before dark. That is my limit. What the US is missing is infantry. There could be a majority of infantry. A better way to understand the enemy.
@MrFarnanonical
@MrFarnanonical 3 жыл бұрын
All the F-35 hate is ridiculous. 99 percent of the issues the F-35 has had have been software. They went into production before all of the software had been developed. So early F-35s had software that limited its performance because a lot of the code hadn't been written yet. Once it was ready they updated the software and removed those restrictions. As of 2021, the F-35 has already been used in combat in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. People don't seem to understand that software development is an iterative process, and it's still being developed. As for readiness, the Marine STOVL variant already far exceeds the F-18 legacy Hornet and the Av-8b in terms of readiness.
@perokatic9208
@perokatic9208 5 жыл бұрын
Flies once and needs a full overhaul
@charleswest6372
@charleswest6372 2 жыл бұрын
And new pilot!
@WETBACK4TRUMP
@WETBACK4TRUMP 4 жыл бұрын
The comments against the F-35 on this have aged horribly
@geertvanschaik7976
@geertvanschaik7976 7 жыл бұрын
We're now a couple of years later and the F35 is now operational. Why is it never above Syria? The F16, F15 and F18 were called obsolete and needed to be replaced by the F35 as quick as possibe. Now with the first planes operational you would expect them over theaters like Syria, but nothing like that. Why is that? Because it's crap?
@DrWhom
@DrWhom 5 жыл бұрын
Read up on the operational history of the f111 aardvark to get an idea of the issues.
@kingsnakke6888
@kingsnakke6888 3 жыл бұрын
@@DrWhom Except Sprey and his buddies lied. The Aardvark also has a higher kill rate than your precious little 'hog, by the way...
@alonnehring402
@alonnehring402 Ай бұрын
Israel has used the F35 in Syria hundreds of times actually
@andrewlambert7246
@andrewlambert7246 2 жыл бұрын
I agree totally and utterly about beyond visual range combat. It always fails because of among other jamming.
@dalek14mc
@dalek14mc Жыл бұрын
Uh, then feel free to explain why an overwhelming majority of air-to-air kills in the last 50 years have been beyond visual range.
@danielmolinar8669
@danielmolinar8669 9 ай бұрын
@@dalek14mcNo comment. Especially The f-15
@Spjungen
@Spjungen 12 жыл бұрын
Aircraft designs are all about specialization. There are different roles for an airplane, and they demand different characteristics of the airframe if those roles are to be fulfilled successfully. Probably the only exception was the F-16...it's probably one of the biggest successes of the aeorspace industry, and it was damn near excellent in all its roles for the price, which is why it's been so incredibly successful in exports. Not all aircraft are like that though.
@realnapster1522
@realnapster1522 8 ай бұрын
Mig 21 was also very successful.
@calcrappie8507
@calcrappie8507 2 ай бұрын
Another critic who was horribly wrong. Order book is epic. 17 countries have orders in. Cost of F-35A is lower than anyone expected due to high production rates.
@raptor5908
@raptor5908 10 жыл бұрын
A trillion-dollar-piece of crap! Greets from Europe!
@Apollo-tj1vm
@Apollo-tj1vm Жыл бұрын
1:55 why is he talking about flying low to find targets? There is a great invention called cameras that you can use to see stuff with. You can be thousands of feet above of the area then make sure you are looking at your enemy not civies or friendies then use precision guided bombs to hit your target accurately. Unlike the A-10 which have shot up British tanks in Desert Storm.
@Flyingdutchy33
@Flyingdutchy33 11 жыл бұрын
7 miljard euro voor 7000 banen. Werkgelegenheid noemen ze dat...
@doriamedina
@doriamedina 10 жыл бұрын
Bring back and update the F-14 Tomcat!
@gordywarin6804
@gordywarin6804 10 жыл бұрын
haha they could but the f14 is too hard to maintain and easily outclassed by the f15, and the f/a-18. the f14 could proably kick this jsf f-35 tho
@Bluto2973
@Bluto2973 9 жыл бұрын
***** As bad as the F-35 is, the F-14 is comparable in terms of being a maintenance nightmare.
@thefreeman8791
@thefreeman8791 6 жыл бұрын
The F-35 is a maintenance dream. All those saying that it is terrible have nothing to base that off of except their own biases.
@ConstantineJoseph
@ConstantineJoseph 5 жыл бұрын
Why isn't anyone investigating Lockheed Martin. 1.5 TRILLION is a SCAM, OUTRIGHT SCAM on our money
@robregish3367
@robregish3367 6 жыл бұрын
One look at the RIAT 2018 F-35 display has this guy eating his words. And oh, the 20-1 air to air combat record at Red Flag. I personally spoke to an F-16 pilot who was told be ground control where to look for it (12 miles, at your 1 o'clock). He pointed the radar at it and... nothing. At 12 miles! All of which means you'll likely see it with your eyes before radar will, which means.... you're dead meat. You can't hit what you can't see, and even in the event there's a WVR engagement its a great dogfighter. Acceleration 20% better than a CLEAN Flanker. AMRAAM PK levels way above any F-15/16/18. Like any aircraft, its had its problems in development - but the bugs have largely been worked out. It's in mass production and (this is important), the pilots LOVE it. One F-35 driver I spoke with (who came from F-15's) said its not even a fair fight - kills F-15's easily. The F-15, the one with an undefeated 104-0 air to air combat record. Think about that and let it really sink in...
@gustavomazonave8536
@gustavomazonave8536 6 жыл бұрын
Old video. But the haters are being proven wrong.
@DrWhom
@DrWhom 5 жыл бұрын
The bugs have been worked out. LOL! Is that crow tasty, you pitiful fool?
@bennittotheburrito9606
@bennittotheburrito9606 Жыл бұрын
@@DrWhomthey have lol
@Bluelightning23
@Bluelightning23 6 жыл бұрын
The AV8 was the successful aircraft used for many years. how can this guy sit there with a straight face and say the F35 which Is also for the navy and Marine Corps Is too complex?
@SeanP7195
@SeanP7195 4 ай бұрын
Oops!! Now you can get one for less than a Rafale and countries are begging for them. They have three factories and the waiting list is 5 plus years.
@sep69
@sep69 3 жыл бұрын
Hello there, this is the future coming back to tell you it took another 10 years before the project was actually declared failed.
@maverikmiller6746
@maverikmiller6746 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Don't forget to add that 3 weeks ago Japanese Air Self Defence Force declared they had to drop their air interception rate of Chinese flights from 500s to 331 per year because as Japanese said "F-35 is not suitable for emergency take off and very expensive to maintain".
@jb76489
@jb76489 2 жыл бұрын
Is that why so many countries are adopting it?
@danielmolinar8669
@danielmolinar8669 Жыл бұрын
From who? Pierre Sprey?
@AndrewLambert-wi8et
@AndrewLambert-wi8et Ай бұрын
I THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY THAT ONE OF THE MAIN SELLING POINTS WERE THAT ONE CAN SEE THROUGH THE FLOOR. I THOUGHT IF ONE DARES TO GO SO CLOSE TO THE TARGET, IT COULD BE DANGEROUS FOR THE PLANE.
@iNuchalHead
@iNuchalHead 10 жыл бұрын
Lol, Dutch for "compromised" is "halfbakken." Lol.
@DrWhom
@DrWhom 5 жыл бұрын
half baked.
@MultiSun75
@MultiSun75 4 жыл бұрын
The real threath. The coronavirus
@RockerDave12
@RockerDave12 11 жыл бұрын
All the more reason to bring back the F-14 Tomcat with it's Phoenix missile system.
@quazars236
@quazars236 6 жыл бұрын
even the Russian experts consider this f35 seriously. a threat (for the pilot and the national budget). that's why they cancelled their own version of yak many years ago.
@RoadWarrior07744
@RoadWarrior07744 10 жыл бұрын
everything that's I've heard in this documentary is true. only people who were involved with this project know the truth and the whole truth about this project.
@dallatorretdu
@dallatorretdu 10 жыл бұрын
Agree, I'm not sure about the pilot training but USA already had functional F-16 Vista and F-15 Active prototypes that (while still in prototype) are more maneuverable than the complete F-22, Politics is strange
@inczelacc
@inczelacc 10 жыл бұрын
dallatorretdu politics is business!
@charliegareginyan9584
@charliegareginyan9584 9 жыл бұрын
+dallatorretdu the F 22 had better RADAR and stealth. And VISTA and ACTIVE were overly complex and would require big changes of the production. Line.
@RoadWarrior07744
@RoadWarrior07744 9 жыл бұрын
Charlie Gareginyan the F22 was build on the same concept as the F15. .so far the best 2 fighter jets that were build perfectly were the F15 and the F22. the Israeli's were the first one's to prove how well the F15 could perform .on the other hand the first version of the F35 were a total failure . the fixing the second version of the F35A lightning strike 2 . were done by Boeing and the IAI. the Israeli aerospace industries .
@charliegareginyan9584
@charliegareginyan9584 9 жыл бұрын
RoadWarrior077 quite LOL
@ztunelover
@ztunelover 12 жыл бұрын
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, The su27 and its derivatives are the prettiest aircraft in my eyes.
@AdamB9098
@AdamB9098 11 жыл бұрын
F-22 program was cancelled because it got way too expensive. There are something like about 150 raptors in service to "assist" eagle squadrons with air supremacy but have not as of yet been deployed to theater. Basicly, they are just really expensive air show jets.
@maximilliancunningham6091
@maximilliancunningham6091 11 ай бұрын
The USAF is shy about putting F-22s in harms way. Unless it's a domestic hurricane, then they are cavalier about it.
@nyalldavis
@nyalldavis 10 жыл бұрын
We in the UK invented the harrier, sure the F-35 is better in every way, but at its time the harrier was necessary. It was created because we needed a jet that could land without a runway, we didn't have another suitable way to fly our missions (aircraft carriers or building a local runway were un-workable). The F-35 was made when America had aircraft carriers, long range fighters that could easily fly from their base to the conflict, all they needed. But the must have wanted a jet to "look cool", because there was no need for it that hadn't already been forfilled by cheaper, better performing planes.
@GrahamCStrouse
@GrahamCStrouse 9 жыл бұрын
The Harrier has it's issues but it's still a pretty useful plane. It was designed as a VTOL plane and.the designers knew there would be some trade offs involved. I think there's still some merit to building a VTOL F/A plane if that's what you're going for. But the F-35 is just a disaster.
@AvroBellow
@AvroBellow 6 жыл бұрын
No, the F-35 is NOT better in every way than the Harrier. The Harrier WORKED AS ADVERTISED and was fantastically reliable with that ingenious Rolls Royce Pegasus engine setup.
@sp769
@sp769 6 жыл бұрын
Invented and then whinged them together
@thegodofhellfire
@thegodofhellfire 11 жыл бұрын
RUN, get away from that airplane it's going to ruin your air force.
@GoMiGman
@GoMiGman 10 жыл бұрын
There was A LOT of truth to the warfare experts who came out in the early years of the F-22 production and said "Why spend all this money on this ridiculous aircraft when you could just as easily and it would be A LOT cheaper and smarter to make better F-15's, F-16's and F-18's?" Those people surely knew what they were talking about now that we look at this dud they're building for gazillions of taxpayer's $! I personally think the F-22 is fine and they should've built it because technology needs to keep up with technology but then offered a different version to some other countries such as Japan and the UK to help ease the cost (NOT ISRAEL because they only leach off the US and it would cost the taxpayers money for that) and maybe even Australia would've been interested in purchasing the Raptor and that's it. They could upgrade the F-15's just like they did with the Silent Eagle and make it a little bit stealthier (that would be much cheaper). Do the same thing with the F-16 and they don't even have to touch the F-18 because it's already doing that. It is an excellent aircraft and has lots of room for improvement. That's the way they should've gone, no doubt about it.
@Spjungen
@Spjungen 10 жыл бұрын
Dude, just scratch the whole stealth idea altogether, seriously, you'll find you start laughing at yourself for ever having believed in it once you come to realize just how stupid it is. EVEN if it did work, the costs and impracticality of maintaining the skin and pilots' resulting inability to even get air time in the plane because of the need for repairs, simply outweighs any possible benefits the whole "stealth" gimmick could ever bring. There's a reason the Russians and the French, people who aren't stupid, stick to the tried and tested method of just building a really good plane that's fast and can fight, and as a result they've got winners such as the Rafale and Su-35. While we're stuck with the losers because well, Lockheed loves its money man what can you do. It's got buddies securing contracts for it and has no reason to stop fooling gullible politicians into buying useless junk.
@GoMiGman
@GoMiGman 10 жыл бұрын
Spjungen Well, I agree with some of the stuff you said but I'm not so sure about the cost of maintaining the F-22 resulting in its pilots not getting enough training time. Let's not forget that despite the economic downturn the US has faced in the last 5 years or so, it's still by far the richest and most powerful country in the world, regardless of what any of the fan-boy haters say and that there will never be a time where American fighter pilots won't be getting any training time. Just look at what they do at Red Flag with the Raptor on a regular basis. Don't forget that so far there's only 187 units operating and that most of those pilots are ones that have come from flying the F-15C and F-16D and so on. These are well established pilots and their training is rigorous and constant no matter what and second to none and will always be. So I would respectfully disagree with you on that point, anyway.
@GoMiGman
@GoMiGman 10 жыл бұрын
***** I agree that it's smarter, but risky in that it's predicated on knowing that there isn't a chance of any war really breaking out between the US and Russia for at least the near future. However...........God forbid.......should war suddenly break out for some reason within the next 5 years, how would Russia fair under that plan you mentioned knowing they currently have nothing that compares to the B-2 Spirit and the F-22? Maybe in some ways it's also smart if you can afford it to be sure you have the superior tech at all times?
@GoMiGman
@GoMiGman 10 жыл бұрын
***** You know, I do believe that we are at least 2 decades (maybe more) away from being able to deploy a fully operating squadron of remotely operated fighters that will have not only the capability of say the F-22, but to be able to closely operate with the "manned effect" because of intelligence and just good old human instinct. We've all seen the reckless bombing by Predators in Pakistan and Yemen and that's a highly contested affair when collateral damage is just unacceptably too high because of whatever reason. I do attribute it to the "unmanned" factor and of course to this new type of warfare the US has had to deal with that's as far from asymmetric warfare as can be. I think UAV's do have their place in the current dynamic of "fighting terrorism", but with UACV's where you're actually fighting against another "machine" and being able to out-dual it (so to speak), be it manned or unmanned, we still have a ways to go. And even then, do you think that the days of manned aircraft would be over anyway? Even when we reach the point where we're using autonomous UACV's, I find it hard to believe that the 'human' element will no longer have a place in the aircraft itself. As far as what you said about the F-22 - wouldn't it have been a better choice to terminate this idiotic program in the JSF and continue the Raptor production? I think that had the US offered a slightly downgraded version of the F-22 and included all the countries that signed up for the F-35 program, they could've easily reduced the end cost of each unit just by the ensuing production level. Halting the program after investing so much money into it is the main reason why the individual cost is so high. With the production of each aircraft the individual cost decreases incrementally. IMO, that was the big mistake. Also IMO, the Russians were always playing catch-up. I think they were matching the US' production models from the 60's on but lost an edge once they started going beyond the MiG-21. They lagged way behind with the MiG-23, 25 and 27 and it wasn't until the MiG-29 and Su-27 were fielded that they were back in the game and in the meantime, the US (which was not only already ahead in innovation and technology) was already way ahead of Russia's Design Bureau just by virtue of having fielded production aircraft such as the F-15, F-14 and even F-16. Those three aircraft were at least 6 years ahead of anything viable in the MiG-29 or Su-27. So I'm not sure if it was smart strategy on their part as you suggest or just plain outright lagging behind and having no choice but to follow that format? If you think about it, the PAK-FA is at least 15 years behind the F-22 (with still A LOT of obvious deficiencies compared to the Raptor) and if it weren't for the fall of the Soviet Union, who knows where Russia would be today vis a vis matching the US pound for pound with tech and firepower or even being in the same stratosphere as the US is in terms of 5th generation A/C? Another product of that lagging behind and the set-back effects of the fall of the Soviet Union is having to consolidate MiG and Sukhoi just so that MiG doesn't go under and if you look at the production aircraft both those mammoth institutions have fielded with the exception of the PAK-FA, it's only been one version of the Su-27 after the other and the same thing goes for the MiG-29. Anything else they did simply mounted to nothing much but showcase such as the Su-47 Berkut (while just an absolute beauty with those forward swept wings and intimidating black color) is nothing but a technology demonstrator prototype.. Even the Su-34 which was supposed to be Russia's answer to the F-15/F-111 is basically another variant of the Su-27 that came way too late. I'll give them tons of credit for being able to design a single concept that has become so versatile, but I wouldn't consider it anywhere near the level that the US has been able to achieve with the F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18, F-22. You say it's smarter, financially to do it the way they did and you're probably right. But my question is if it's 'better' in terms of capabilities? And if it's affordable, why not do it like the US has? Just don't get involved in anything like this disaster in the F-35. Sorry for the long comment! :)
@GoMiGman
@GoMiGman 10 жыл бұрын
***** Indeed. I think a lot of that Russian philosophy you elude to goes back to the success the Soviets had in WWII with the T-34 against the Panther and then the AK-47 all the way on to the MiG-21. Then I think they suffered a setback with the MiG-23 and in some respect the MiG-25 as well. Only the secrecy they shrouded the MiG-25 with gave the west fear until they discovered it wasn't all they thought it was. Meantime, the US had come out with the F-15 and 16 and it wasn't until the MiG-29 actually had a FBW system in it that it could compete with the F-16's flying capabilities. Same with the Su-27 and the F-15. Once the Su-27 incorporated a FBW system, I don't believe it was a match for the F-15. Now you got all kinds of models derived from the Su-27 platform it really is incredible. Even the PAK-FA (from what I've read) has many interchangeable parts & systems with the Su-35/S. I hope we never get to see who's weapons or philosophies are really better than the other's because that'll probably end up being resolved with nukes.
@albedoshader
@albedoshader 12 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know that beauty is the main concern for fighters in a battle. Thanks for the info.
@UnknownHumanoid
@UnknownHumanoid 11 жыл бұрын
Are u kiddin' mee?? this shit cost aprox 159mil $??? OMG! :)))
@jamesp4521
@jamesp4521 8 жыл бұрын
I feel sorry for the future soldier on the ground and for the JTAC guy who has to tell them all I have for you is this F35.
@gnolkenstein5527
@gnolkenstein5527 5 жыл бұрын
the enemy does not feel the difference off getting an gbu-12 on their head by an a-10 or a f35 schoo schoo back to RT
@kcimb
@kcimb 3 жыл бұрын
Guess what, you’re wrong. F35 works.
@bennittotheburrito9606
@bennittotheburrito9606 Жыл бұрын
Be happy you have one of the best fighters ever above you
@danielmolinar8669
@danielmolinar8669 11 ай бұрын
At least they can worry less about friendly fire.
@incar95678
@incar95678 11 жыл бұрын
The modern day F-16 is the multirole bombtruck conversion of the YF-16. We're talking MUCH heavier. Yes, its had engine upgrades but the wing area has remained at 300 Sq/ft2. Its an 'almost great'. You want to compare aircraft, compare it to the YF16.
@shawn97006
@shawn97006 Жыл бұрын
What garbage. This video did NOT age well.
@martentrudeau6948
@martentrudeau6948 5 жыл бұрын
WINSLOW T. WHEELER was right and so was Sprey.
@michaelmixon1099
@michaelmixon1099 9 жыл бұрын
Too bad we do not have another Kelly Johnson.
@hekinho1
@hekinho1 8 жыл бұрын
+Michael Mixon To be able to give money back to the government when a project get finished... wild dreams today...
@AndrewLambert-wi8et
@AndrewLambert-wi8et Ай бұрын
SWISS ARMY KNIFE? THE PENTAGON DOESNT DO STUPID THINGS. I DONT BELIEVE THE MOVIE "PENTAGON WARS" THEY HAVE NOW SWEDEN AS PARTNER.
@firefightergoggie
@firefightergoggie 12 жыл бұрын
Im just concerned that the old way of thinking from the late fifties and early sixties might have crept into the design team. Remember back when they thought that guns were a thing of the past and deleted them from fighters all together? Then little Mig 15's caught the F4's and F-105's in Vietnam and got some alarming kill rates. I know the F-35 has a gun, but I'd like to know it can out turn a Mig 29 or Su35 with ease. Then I'll be comfortable with it. Know what I mean?
@ToonandBBfan
@ToonandBBfan 11 жыл бұрын
Single role airplanes always end up being better than multi-role planes
@VF1Skullangel
@VF1Skullangel 11 жыл бұрын
The New Sukhois like the PAKFA and J-20 aren't proven yet and will likely run into the same issues as the F-22 and F-35 programs and will also likely bankrupt defense budgets for whoever is parcipating in the programs. Not many countries oped for the Su-35 anyways due to the extreme amount of money it takes to keep them flying. Most are going for the F-15SE and F-18 Superhornets. We should be doing the samething here in the states.
@VERGIS92
@VERGIS92 12 жыл бұрын
@VERGIS92 simply put: 1) if it's REALLY stealth then one F35 cannot detect another F35, hence I don't have to buy F35 to counter a surprise Turkish attack. 2) if it's not stealth, I can rather invest a tiny fraction of the budget in detection tools, and again not buy F35
@Redout9122
@Redout9122 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting these videos. So many great quotes about fighter design and the JSF.
@Sweetblood777
@Sweetblood777 10 жыл бұрын
Lairdriver. you need to view the abilities of the SU35 & SU37s. The T50 out flies the F22.
@AndrewLambert-wi8et
@AndrewLambert-wi8et 4 ай бұрын
THE NAVY HAS BACKED OUT. I SAID IT IS 30 YEARS OLD. I WAS WRONG! IT IS IN FACT 35 YEARS OLD DESIGN. THE USA SELLING THOSE OLD F35A MODELS TO EUROPE. A 35 YEAR OLD PLANE.
@dalek14mc
@dalek14mc 2 ай бұрын
…Mate…The Navy doesn’t use the F-35A. What are you talking about ?
@TheKille22
@TheKille22 12 жыл бұрын
I meant it in a positive way. I like all those planes that you've mentioned! Even MiG-21's are kind of cool looking.
@KondorDCS
@KondorDCS 12 жыл бұрын
I agree with you, but please don't call MiGs and Sukhois ugly as hell. MiG 21s 23s and 27s ARE ugly, but 29s and 35s are beautiful planes, not to mention effective! Same goes for Sukhoi 27s 30s 33s and 35s.
@jerryavila1
@jerryavila1 Күн бұрын
It all rings true today. A remarkable professional this guy.
@milan3320
@milan3320 9 жыл бұрын
Serbs will bring down the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Serbs destroyed the F-117 and so will break the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II
@thomastidswell7310
@thomastidswell7310 5 жыл бұрын
MILAN MILJKOVIC In the event, it was the Syrians. But they did it with the obsolete Russian S200 SAM. The IAF claimed it was a birdstrike. $110 million accident. That’s going to spoil their no claims bonus.
@sovietpineapple7938
@sovietpineapple7938 5 жыл бұрын
@@thomastidswell7310 The F-35 returned to base and required an inspection and minor maintenance. If you think an F-35 could survive a 217kg HE fragmentation warhead on a 10.7 meter long missile travelling at mach 4, then you're stupid. No debris was recovered either. It was a bird strike, end of story.
@bahamut149
@bahamut149 5 жыл бұрын
Thomas Tidswell yeah and Israel still air strikes syria with f16. S400, s300, s200 couldn’t do shit against obsolete f16.
@sovietpineapple7938
@sovietpineapple7938 5 жыл бұрын
@@bahamut149 There's no operational S-400s in Syria. Other than that, you're basically right. Israel has been destroying Russian AA like child's play.
@benbennit
@benbennit 11 жыл бұрын
Wow a trillion dollar museum piece, ouch!
@KK_on_KK
@KK_on_KK Жыл бұрын
Remember when we retired the Tomcat for COST? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
@tomclunie
@tomclunie 11 жыл бұрын
Mass produced unmanned interceptor drones probably make this thing obsolete anyway.
@NOLIBERALBIAS
@NOLIBERALBIAS 11 жыл бұрын
Guess who was paying for it if we cancel it.
@Aofex
@Aofex 11 жыл бұрын
I loved the Tomcat, but what you are saying doesn't make sense. All the Tomcats are now either in a museum or as scrap metal. Also the F-14 isn't designed to do the kind of missions needed. And the Phoenix missiles were designed to shoot down heavy bombers, they are not as good for use on smaller, more agile aircraft.
@Baseshocks
@Baseshocks 12 жыл бұрын
@TheMarelis Problem is thats what it only should be, only crate the B version thats it and procure other platforms for the navy and air force.
@firefightergoggie
@firefightergoggie 12 жыл бұрын
I dont quit understand what you mean when you say "pods was guns", but gun pods were developed for the F4 and F105 era aircraft when it was discovered that such planes could not rely on missiles alone. After that, the generation 4 fighters like F15, F14, F/A18 and F16 fighters were all equipped with Volcun canons. For close in fighting.
@DOUGLAS55ish
@DOUGLAS55ish 4 жыл бұрын
There were sure a lot of people talking out their ass years ago. I wonder what they have to say now?
@VF1Skullangel
@VF1Skullangel 13 жыл бұрын
F-35=Thunderchief II
@dollarhugo37
@dollarhugo37 11 жыл бұрын
We all know its a lemon, who cares! This lemon is paying my bills and sending my kids to college.
@VF1Skullangel
@VF1Skullangel 11 жыл бұрын
Not really considering the F-14 was never really upgraded. the major problem with that plane was how expensive it was to maintain it otherwise it could adopt the AM120 Amram system easily from the F-15 just as the F-18 Superhornet did.
@bidon3332000
@bidon3332000 13 жыл бұрын
@fanofrhymeswithstar That's why it is always preferable to develop domestic weapons. Buying off-the-shelf is much easier and cheaper, but you are never free to do whatever you want with such weapons...
@kf1645
@kf1645 5 жыл бұрын
Should have listened to 40 Second Boyd way back then.
@tman78au
@tman78au 14 жыл бұрын
I hope the Australian government ditch this aircraft. There has to be a better alternative to the F-35. As an Aussie I hope they'd consider buying the Typhoon, cheaper, better load out, better performance and from what I've heard, done pretty well against the F-22 as well.
@SeanP7195
@SeanP7195 4 ай бұрын
Oops!
@CusterFlux
@CusterFlux 11 жыл бұрын
This whole F-35 thing kinda smells like an un-tried, too clever by half strategy, marching into Teutoburg forest ...
@LJSJIUJITSU
@LJSJIUJITSU 12 жыл бұрын
@TheMarelis I say they bring back the F-86 Sabre and update that design with more modern avionics. I think it would be a great aircraft.
@DSOXBLADE
@DSOXBLADE 12 жыл бұрын
The only reason we have the F-22 and F-35 is because of POLITICS! The U.S. has to keep acting like they own everyone in air superiority. The F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18SH, A-10C, B-52 and F-111 with the latest updates are perfect planes. They would kick ass against all the other planes. Of course it still ALSO has to do with the pilot.
@frombaerum
@frombaerum 11 жыл бұрын
Ha ha agree. some people call the F-35 a turkey but that is wrong, a turkey can fly
@Elmarby
@Elmarby 13 жыл бұрын
@BadassMutha400 It's from a Dutch programme called NOVA, 12th of July 2010.
@akear
@akear 12 жыл бұрын
I am sure it will out turn the Viper and any other modern fighter. My problem it does not have a bubble canopy. It cockpit from the outside looks like a F-4E.
@aussienscale
@aussienscale 14 жыл бұрын
@tman78au it does not matter if it is doing well against the F22, because the F22 will never be used in combat, its just a show piece
@verdebusterAP
@verdebusterAP 11 жыл бұрын
Its not a matter of relying to too much tech its just the way of the world right now. every new fighter is has more and more of latest tech built. Like Eurofighter, does not have the stealth but is just as heavy on the tech
@1337wafflezz
@1337wafflezz 11 жыл бұрын
It would still perform inferiorly to the new sukhois, and I think they have better maintanence. We definitely need a new plane but this video has certainly convinced me that the f35 is not it
@91general
@91general 12 жыл бұрын
@bujoun76 it is actually because it costs alot for e.g the 5th generation f-22 its testing is supposed to be 7billion
@zedeco
@zedeco 12 жыл бұрын
@aman2426 scraped :(
@Schauming
@Schauming 10 жыл бұрын
lol, and we also know that a Swiss army knife is not good as a simple knife. Even Mora knife is far better for cutting and chopping. The same reason why I personally prefer Gripen than F35.
@Sub___Zero
@Sub___Zero 11 жыл бұрын
AGREED
@nelsontragura1441
@nelsontragura1441 9 жыл бұрын
Why don't they build an 18 trillion dollar plane? They won't be paying their debt anymore anyways.
@TheKille22
@TheKille22 12 жыл бұрын
Don't get me wrong. They look mean as hell and they actualy are. And I like them better than F-35 and F-22. I'm just saying that sexy looks should not be a standard while designeing a combat airplane.
@Picard578
@Picard578 12 жыл бұрын
@boffinboy100 'cause Lockheed Martin needs money. As much as it can get with as little of useful work as can be done.
@zedeco
@zedeco 12 жыл бұрын
the USA still think that other country radars are upgrading
@KondorDCS
@KondorDCS 12 жыл бұрын
2.14 "It's vulnerable to the kinds of weapons that can shoot it down." Does this sentence have any meaning? If it can shoot the JSF down that it's elementary that it is 'vulnerable' huh? BTW I totally agree with this man, he makes some very valid points.
@DHANZ1969
@DHANZ1969 7 жыл бұрын
The Israeli cabinet approved the purchase of 17 additional Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II jets during a meeting on Sunday evening. The decision to purchase the additional jets will increase the number of ordered F-35s to a total of 50.
@DrWhom
@DrWhom 5 жыл бұрын
I thought the Jews were smart.
@MrDreetman
@MrDreetman 11 жыл бұрын
Give SAAB a call... They might give you a decent price on the Griffin NG. ;)
@TD402dd
@TD402dd 7 жыл бұрын
People like this man are operatives to stop countries from buying them. Britain has shown their disdain, not for buying them, but for the approval of the VTOL taking so long. Based on the problems with the Harrier, they should be glad the operations approval is so thorough. There is no other VTOL in world that can fly supersonic nor has the stealth capability.
@AugustusLarch
@AugustusLarch 2 жыл бұрын
Stealth is a ruse. There is optical tracking now. They can see you on TV. The unit will spend 2% of airframe life at supersonic. That doesn't matter either. Easy turnaround it will never have. Also the operational cost is god awful. 12 units of other types could be in operation compared to one of this dog.
@SeanP7195
@SeanP7195 4 ай бұрын
@@AugustusLarchHi, you’re wrong and he’s right.
@Viper550ful
@Viper550ful 11 жыл бұрын
No its not that thin. F-35 has stealth fibre-mats build in the composite skin, that will actually reinforce the structure of the airframe, instead of metallic paint layers that were put on the earlier stealth designs and were very prone to damages. Of course a bullet will penetrate every plane out there.
@dollarhugo37
@dollarhugo37 11 жыл бұрын
Thank you f35 for sucking the money out of those fools. Hope the f35 program goes forever.
@richarddawkins9293
@richarddawkins9293 11 жыл бұрын
Nah, not the Skyhawk. The f-16 and a-10 can do the job.
@johnnyjohn9961
@johnnyjohn9961 11 жыл бұрын
i wasnt using movies as refrences i have no clue what movies would of refrenced EMPS....but from what i read and understood cars built before the built in computers u wouldnt hafto worry about emps...i could be wrong i was just curious about a vehicle that could withstand it...i mean i read about a farraday cage and i guess a person could build a farraday cage large enought to house a vehicle.... i wasnt trying to be insulting...im just from israel and was curious how i could protect myself,
@kloudkreeper
@kloudkreeper 10 жыл бұрын
Well they did cancel the Raptor cuz it's a heap of junk....
@gnolkenstein5527
@gnolkenstein5527 5 жыл бұрын
they finished the planned production
@zedeco
@zedeco 12 жыл бұрын
@hotpocketpoison and that work backwords as well the f-15 and 14 are equal
@TheMarelis
@TheMarelis 12 жыл бұрын
A10 is one of the best if not the best close air support aircraft. By ruggedness alone (let's not even compare weapon systems) the F35 loses badly. For multi-role fighter what's wrong with the F16 ? Just keep updating it with new avionics and software, it is one of the most successful aircraft of all time in that role. And if you need a new carrier-based fighter to replace F18 Hornets just make more Super Hornets, they are much cheaper and got the job done so far.
@MarkGoding
@MarkGoding Жыл бұрын
Oh dear..
@SeanP7195
@SeanP7195 4 ай бұрын
It’s terrible. I swear not a dingo person this thread knows what they’re talking about.
@aon10003
@aon10003 13 жыл бұрын
@brown9708 They tried to fix the F22 for the Navy and it turned out to be a whole new aircraft, thats probably what will happand to f23
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