2 Clicks Out: 2022 S1000R Electronic DDC Suspension Setup

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Жыл бұрын

More and more manufacturers are switching to electronic suspension systems. This is a great tutorial on the suspension tuning path you can apply to any motorcycle with this style of electronic suspension adjustability (helmet & luggage icons).

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@lsx_moe Жыл бұрын

This guy is a real professional. Super Informative

@CatalystReactionSBW Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave your comment!

@RandomHeroFromSpace Жыл бұрын

this man is a hero to all motorcyclists!

@manicmedicNZ Жыл бұрын

As always an awesome video with great learning - thank you.

@adamlong54 Жыл бұрын

He knows his stuff I had always been two turns out front and back on my bikes for street riding that has been best for me kinda hard when you hit bumps tho.

@demetris92 Жыл бұрын

Big fun for some time now learned so much from the videos big thanks!! I dont know how much do you charge for a suspension tune like this but passing all this knowledge to the customer is priceless!

@CatalystReactionSBW Жыл бұрын

Thank you for wanting to learn and leverage DMT content in the process! A suspension tune in person is $60. For email and 3 settings to test, it is the same. For 30 minutes of 1-1 video it is $80. All in US dollars.

@marcosgarcia11084 Жыл бұрын

"Sir" dave moss is a legend 🙏🙏

@pl1068 Жыл бұрын

Miss you Dave, can’t wait until you can tour New Zealand again. Changed my bike from the VFR1200F to the X. Upgraded suspension to Nitron R3 rear and Nitron TVT forks. I’m sure rear rebound is too fast, tyre Bridgestone T32’s picking up on trailing edge. Would love you to look over it. 👍🏻

@CatalystReactionSBW Жыл бұрын

Hi Paul. Let's set up a video call to review the settings. Please email me dave@davemosstuning.com

@haristonmarreiros7284 Жыл бұрын

Very nice!!!

@richard_the_lion_farted Жыл бұрын

1 R is enough. I had a CBR 900RR back in the day. I hated when people asked me what bike I had... They always thought I was laughing like a pirate after I said "Honda CBR 900 Are Are"

@tomasdedek7066 Жыл бұрын

LEGEND!!!

@darkviper099 Жыл бұрын

Now to wait for a 21-22 tracer 9 gt to come through, I can't contribute cause I'm too far east though. Assuming it's not the OEM tires I get speed wobbles that are actually worse without saddle bags

@JamesBrown-ux9ds Жыл бұрын

Please make an info about general change of settngs after 'bios updates' done by the garage or BMW dealer during inspections, according to your experiance. It's 'all new' then sometimes? (What BMW hands out to her customers may not always be close to perfect, but sometimes felt plain opposite? And how does somebody know what he has realy got without somebody like you showing it to him?)

@CatalystReactionSBW Жыл бұрын

Great idea and thank you for taking the time to share that.

@davidclark7145 Жыл бұрын

Get an after market fairing and headlights for an RR.

@RobLS87 Жыл бұрын

Ive been following so many of your videos, love them. I also just got this bike and overall love it. Getting used to mainly adjusting through electronics. Although a concern I have is that the steering gets very light at high speed (110+) that gets the front into a speed wobble. I’ve ridden many bikes and this is the first one that I can consistently get to do this and is not comforting. I am the same weight as the rider in this video. I still haven’t checked sag and all that stuff yet for myself which I know I need to do. But should I also look in to upgrading the steering damper as well?

@CatalystReactionSBW Жыл бұрын

Front getting light is normally due to the shock being too hard or too stiff. So shock travel being assessed is a critical piece of information. Next would be fork travel used to see if the settings are too stiff. Lastly would be checking rebound settings to see if the front is too fast keeping it high and rear is too slow keeping it down.

@rogerpriestwell6379 Жыл бұрын

someone else has also complained about the r getting light at speeds. This bike seems to have this issue. hope you figure it out.

@ihategmz5174 Жыл бұрын

What tires are you on? I had the same problem. Turns out it was because of my a22’s. The other fix is a ohlins damper. This is after you have had it properly adjusted of course, if it still feel light at speed then tires or damper.

@ihategmz5174 Жыл бұрын

Sorry. S22’s.

@CatalystReactionSBW Жыл бұрын

@@ihategmz5174 It would be very helpful for you to understand shock travel used (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gcuKh5R9qL-cc4k.html) and how that impacts poor handling. A steering damper does not help as it does not address why this is happening. Once you have shock travel optimal, then check fork rebound (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7pymNOJ3Le1dWw.html)

@robzz9002 Жыл бұрын

I have a question with regard to electronic suspension. With bikes that have this, you can generally select different modes to suit what you’re doing - race, road, comfort etc. It’s great that the system can constantly make minor adjustments to keep the suspension working at its optimal performance, but what if you need to change the setup. What I mean is weight, i.e. the spring rates will have been selected for an average rider and the valving for compression and rebound will be set around that spring rate. If you’re like me and you’re heavy and you need to change to a heavier spring, how does the electronic setup cope with those changes as it is making adjustments based on a different setup?

@CatalystReactionSBW Жыл бұрын

Great question that only the programmer can answer given the perameters that they created. On top of that comes oil age and degradation as the algorithm is created for new oil until it degrades to xx miles/kms or time? On the flips side, what we can do as owners is set sag, set damping and see what setting is needed to control rebound damping to create chassis stability. If we instantly get close to maximum, can a different VI or cSt oil be used to assist with that or will the programing have an issue with the slower flow rate? I hope we are lucky enough to have a programmer that works with these suspension systems educate us.

@jsalemi9711 6 ай бұрын

That is the same issue I have with being a little on the heavy side. I contacted BMW and they have no solution on spring rates. Maybe you can find someone that will make custom cartridges, springs and coils? You would think BMW would have thought of something that simple to resolve this problem. The electronic suspension does not work on the track or brisk canyon riding. Have friends that own from 2015-2022 and had complaints. Does anyone have bar vibrations? I have tested over 4 bikes and my hands went numb, any fix on this issue. I like the bike and being over 70yrs. old want a more upright position that will work for my riding missions. Thanks

@chilangoson Жыл бұрын

This “rider” reminded me of when I bought my 2300ml used BMW. First service the tech told me he released the factory engine governor still in place. First owner had no idea why the bike didn’t juice up. His loss my gain. 😊

@bachshl Жыл бұрын

Does 2021 s1000xr has the same adjustablilty options?

@CatalystReactionSBW Жыл бұрын

XR has modes and load settings plus dynamic or dynamic pro. You set sag via load setting, then assess what the modes do. Once you pick a mode, then test one rider, one rider with luggage and two riders to see what gives you the best quality ride.

@MikeJones-bz3fm Жыл бұрын

i have a 2019 at 220 punds my front preload is almost all the way tight. hes 155 and basically doing the same thing.. bike needs more adjustment settings

@CatalystReactionSBW Жыл бұрын

Don't just rely on preload. Compression and preload need to work together as a team to share the load with the tyre.

@suipful Жыл бұрын

Beee yem dablew removed numerical adjustments (on dampening) which is 😭 on existing 10's of coded lines changed 😵‍💫 /revised, sheeesh

@OMAR-gl9cp Жыл бұрын

Hey Dave when would on new Jersey side need my bike setup ?

@CatalystReactionSBW Жыл бұрын

Asa yet I have no plans for 2023 so it would be in the Spring should the National Tour be scheduled. Working with a three potential clients to make this happen.

@tomjones8883 Жыл бұрын

You can make manual adjustments over the electronics?

@CatalystReactionSBW Жыл бұрын

There is manual preload to use for the right fork and rear shock in some generations. You can also buy the dynamic pro option to give you more adjustment. The bottom line is that between sag, mode and load - you will find a good setting that makes the bike fun to ride.

@furikfurik8023 Ай бұрын

Dies the suspension adjusted for each mode? What happens if you set it to road then want to switch to RacePro or any other mode?Or once you set it it applies to all?

@CatalystReactionSBW Ай бұрын

For the suspension, all modes except Pro 1, 2 and 3 are ECU coded and you cannot make changes. When you set pro modes, those are your choice.

@Lancebeme Жыл бұрын

Seems crazy to me that someone that lite with mid skill level would be almost bottoming the front out. Are they that soft from stock. I’m about to pick one of these up an I’m 220lbs 😂

@CatalystReactionSBW Жыл бұрын

You need to assess what mode works best for travel as everything is now fully electronic with no preload adjustment.

@512460 Жыл бұрын

Question can you use 2x helmet function to gain more preloaded for 100lbs + club?

@CatalystReactionSBW Жыл бұрын

The helmet number by default changes the setting for damping and/or preload depending on the ECU and wiring.

@512460 Жыл бұрын

@@CatalystReactionSBW okay thanks dave, much appreciated

@John-om5dm Жыл бұрын

was that last adj preload or comp?

@CatalystReactionSBW Жыл бұрын

preload :)

@jsalemi9711 6 ай бұрын

Hello Dave, plan on picking up a 2023 S1000R with full electronic suspension. The previous ordered it with all options. I am 72yrs. old, 215lbs. without gear and upper intermediate track rider, Chuckwalla, and Fontana. Will be using the bike for canyon and tracking and would like to know if my bike will work well once set up by you? I had planned on purchasing a new 2024 base model but no one has any cartridges and springs for the front and rear suspension. Contacted all of the suspension manufacture in the world and no luck. What is your advice on my issue, can you help me out? Thank You

@CatalystReactionSBW 6 ай бұрын

Congrats on your S1000R and I am very suprised to know that no one offers any suspension for this model. A little resrach should yield if there are changes from previous years regarding fork and shock length and shock reservoir location. If they are the same as previous models, then you can back track and find out what companies made internals and a shock. Ohlins offered a shock in 2020 and KTech offered fork cartridges for the 2018. You can approach GP Suspension in Ventura to make cartridges for you.

@jsalemi9711 6 ай бұрын

Hello Dave, contacted KTech, he did research and called back, no luck. I did leave a message with GP and waiting for a call back. My son and I passed by GP motorcycles on India st. in San Diego and noticed your set up on the lot. Hope to see you in SoCal in the future. Thanks again! Joe Salemi@@CatalystReactionSBW

@jsalemi9711 6 ай бұрын

I found a company that will make cartridges and springs for the bike, will see after the holidays. Thanks again for helping me. Dave, do you eat avacado's? I grow them on my property in San Diego and will send a box to you if you like. 1st picking is February and these are organic and nothing you can buy at the markets. @@CatalystReactionSBW

@CatalystReactionSBW 6 ай бұрын

@@jsalemi9711 I eat 1.5 avocado's a day as part of my cancer fighting diet. I would sincerely appreciate some homegrown avocado's from you orchard! Let me know the best way to send you my address. Thank you!

@jsalemi9711 6 ай бұрын

Hi Dave, so sorry to hear about your cancer. I've had prostrate cancer for the past 5yrs. a slow growing type and the doctor claims that I will probably die of something else. I'm going on 73yrs. and had a great life, no complaints. As soon as the picking season starts I will get in touch with you and send you avacado's for the whole season. I grow Fuerte, Reeds and Gems. Take Care! Joe@@CatalystReactionSBW

@timetter7062 Жыл бұрын

DM picks these guys off like a duck hunter in the winter. If any of these riders take champU online course they would realize the problem is knowledge on riding not suspension oil and clickers.

@CatalystReactionSBW Жыл бұрын

I do not own a firearm. Your comment is rather nebulous and ethereal, and many many riders would disagree with you after having their set up as they are now empowered to learn on a motorcycle that meets all of their expectations and needs and gives them confidence to learn new skills. Looking at your profile, it seems you have no content to offer. I'm sure ChampU will have something to say about your post when they see it.

@jsalemi9711 6 ай бұрын

7062, guys like you should not be allowed on these site without having any knowledge of suspension. I bet you don't own a bike or never ridden bikes!!! Try reading suspension 101!!!

@cristian821987 Жыл бұрын

If you ask Honda then NO!

@shatteredsquare Жыл бұрын

Joe Rogan sent me here i'm so confused

@CatalystReactionSBW Жыл бұрын

I guess you must not be a motorcycle rider? Hope you find a channel that ends your confusion.

@handendaer Жыл бұрын

bmw 2022, get toolless suspension settings already.

@Saitaverorwhatever Жыл бұрын

I dont know if its for the best. With mechanical adjusters you can go as precise as you want. Half-turn, quarter-turn. Really tune it to your exact needs. Unless the software gives you a digital "knob", that would be cool :) Like volume setting on your phone you know ? 1-10 for compression and damping scale or something if you feel like really getting into it.

@TheAvuriel Жыл бұрын

Many manufacturers have all settings with numbers like 1-12 for all the different settings. But this system with no individual settings capability inferior.