As a Class A OTR driver for years. There were several nuggets dropped in this video. Some similarities, and a few differences. Thank you for making this video. Love to see the knowledgeable teaching the seekers. Much respect from Texas.
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Nice‼Thank you, I really appreciate it . Many blessings to you.. Stay safe on the road👌🏾
@LogisticsWorldz Жыл бұрын
I love seeing people share their knowledge and then see other people change their life
@MajorrBison Жыл бұрын
Me personally, getting a van is not the problem it's the consistent load, guaranteed loads is what I need.
@DeeLott10 ай бұрын
Exactly 😵💫
@TobiasKidd-z2o28 күн бұрын
Me to bro I can’t get no loads I’m on all kinds of apps and everything I’m trying to find a dispatcher can’t find one
@MrMightyGuy Жыл бұрын
Man the first 5 minutes explained more that all these other videos I done watched, subscribed and bout to get my hussle on. Thanks G
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Man, I really appreciate you brotha, Glad I could help.. YESSIR‼Get yo bread FAM💯👌🏾
@racay9082 Жыл бұрын
I gave you a like in the first 3 minutes because you know what you are talking about. Thanks for the great video best of luck to you brother. I just retired at 65 as a building maintenance man. Never really worked in the delivery business but it's always good to know things. Did about 100 Uber trips after my regular job, didn't see any money. Also drove a NYC TLC black car.👍🇺🇸🇨🇺
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate you👌🏾
@georgiaboi22 Жыл бұрын
Great video! As someone who’s considering entering the game, I truly appreciated your insight. Real words of wisdom in this one! 🔥
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate you Brotha‼️🙏🏾
@EverythingApax2 жыл бұрын
There is also the option of driving for a fleet owner before purchasing a van. Good idea if you've never been in the game local or otr.
@sSnuzzy2 жыл бұрын
Explain. Btw I watched a few of your vids love the channel, I want to get into the cargo van Owner Op side but I don’t know where to go after I get my van. I want to be independent but I think becoming part of a team that already have experience is a great way to start
@EverythingApax2 жыл бұрын
@@sSnuzzy have you been on the road before? Do you want to do local or over the road?
@sSnuzzy2 жыл бұрын
@@EverythingApax I haven’t , but I was thinking starting local. Then once I get the experience I was going to switch to OTR
@EverythingApax2 жыл бұрын
@@sSnuzzy do have a van or are you looking to get a van then go at it?
@tmoreland222 жыл бұрын
Good way to go I was just thinking that be4 I buy the van
@KoroKocho Жыл бұрын
Hi This one of rare times I can't hold myself from commenting. Overall, it is a great video. I have watched a lot of videos of Cargo Van business, and this is the best. Very transparent. Some of them will hold very important information. Instead, they throw bait fishing for people to purchase their products, such as startup packages and such. A lot of pros than cons. The only con is the language, very street one. However, that can be justified as you were speaking naturally!! Great job, and may Allah bless you .
@PrinceCezar275 ай бұрын
Foul language a sign of HIGH intelligence. I bet you didn't learn that in your holy book. I bet. How about just appreciating the information and being thankful that your "Allah" has allowed you such grace.
@KoroKocho5 ай бұрын
It seems like what bothered you is the word Allah. Otherwise, the whole purpose of my comment was to express my appreciation for the information, and the creator loved it.
@PrinceCezar275 ай бұрын
@KoroKocho naw your smug ass attitude is what bothers me. But if you saying that imaginary character made you like that. Then he bothers me too.
@LogisticsWorldz Жыл бұрын
Great information. Hopefully people like you and myself can show people how to live their life on their own terms. Much love
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Thank you brotha! Much love and peace to you as well man💯
@zorro2go Жыл бұрын
It definitely helped me out. Thank you very much for your honest comments. I wish you the best with your business.
@cisko213la Жыл бұрын
When I started 10 years ago with my cargo van I made sure I had capital to work got my van plus had about 18k to last me until i got paid which was 21 to 30 days after completion of delivery now I got 4 sprinter vans running outta state and 3 bobtails also wen I started I gave myself a weekly salary the rest went to my company I never used a factoring they be robbing u sometimes 😅
@kdee5931 Жыл бұрын
How do you find your loads..Load board?
@God_Dess92 жыл бұрын
Amazing breakdown, very much appreciated! I am superrrrr excited and can barely contain myself lol so I’m checking once again that I’m doing everything right and exact.
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
Thats Great‼️ Good luck on your journey✊🏾
@adriangarza7584 Жыл бұрын
How’s it going
@KBlue728 Жыл бұрын
New subscriber🙂 I'm looking to start a new cargo business and I've been binging on your videos since yesterday! I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge and they way you share it. You are great!! 💯
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I really Appreciate you‼
@oceanschmait4613 Жыл бұрын
Did you already start in the business and what do you see?
@oceanschmait4613 Жыл бұрын
Just wondering if you already started?
@KBlue728 Жыл бұрын
@@oceanschmait4613 nope, had a setback
@angiecruz27362 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the knowledge So sick of click bate
@marlenewhite62902 ай бұрын
Thank you for being honest about the cargo van business
@MidwestSteve317 Жыл бұрын
Great advise bro .. really appreciate you taking the time out your day to share knowledge
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I really appreciate you watching👌🏾
@markk27453 ай бұрын
Your the only OTR cargo driver I have seen staying in hotels so often.
@dggothustle3 ай бұрын
So often🤣🤣 I was in back of van for a week before this room, when you can afford it why not. Also you only see what we show..
@mitchgroff2632 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the detailed information you have provided in this video. I like your way of explaining every point. Keep sharing such great videos in the future also.
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
Thank you brotha, I really appreciate it‼️
@faith-2-faithenterprises771 Жыл бұрын
I really want to thank you for making this video. I am researching this particular business field to go in. So I will continue to learn and get more knowledgeable so that I can come out the gate running in 2023. I actually have access to a cargo van that I can use. I am just trying to figure out if I want to stay local or go over the road with this business. I most definitely don't want to be driving during any kind of weather storms or conditions. I am in Ohio. 😂 Again Thank You
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Much love Fam and Blessings on your journey with which ever way you choose to go‼️💯 Yeah brotha that extreme weather will have you thinking about some stuff🤣✊🏾
@ferryhonore1579 Жыл бұрын
Yo I am in Ohio I have that plan also let’s make it together
@flatcube37062 жыл бұрын
True, them just want you to stay put and be loyal to them so they look good and have reliable transporter on stand by to cover their loads. Have good reputation at the expense of drivers sitting, which means not making money. Got to be ready with options.
@brandonohara4122 Жыл бұрын
Clear and to the point. Thank you! Subscribed! 💪
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Thank you‼️
@user-pm1ef1vd2j Жыл бұрын
I appreciate you bro frfr you put me in tha game
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Good shhh.. Get that money man‼️💪🏾✊🏾👌🏾
@seanflagg Жыл бұрын
"Sometimes you gotta bust a move to bust another move" imma put that on the wall of my business!!
@sheilaeish2 жыл бұрын
Great content. Thanks for being transparent. I'm saving to get a van get started.Keep em coming.
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated Fam.. Good vibes on your journey‼️👌🏾✊🏾
@emmanuelscott58042 жыл бұрын
Much love fam word bond. You got that Motown or ohio swag for real. I've learned a plethora fam. I'm a trucker by trade ready to jump off into cargo. Much love and keep rising to the top !
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
🤣Much love Fam.. I always get I seem to be from somewhere different.. I really appreciate you brotha✊🏾 yeah I cant imagine what it takes to fill up a semi rite now🤦🏾♂️
@keithfrazier18052 жыл бұрын
Most definitely do sound like you from the double O
@blackjames3870 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info men ! I’m saving to get van to get start and I’m subscribe
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Nice👌🏾
@robo2007 Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Cracking video, sometimes you got to Bust a move to Bust another move. Love it.
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
I appreciate you Fam‼✊🏾
@nellstar90442 жыл бұрын
Thank you, bro. for the great honest information, hope your business grow more and more and more
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
Much love Fam, Thank you!
@antoniourquiola1966 Жыл бұрын
Believe me, nothing is better than having your own authority and booking for your own load without anyone in the middle of the way because even if you don't believe it, they will always knock down some of your money, you have more work to do but you earn more to.
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Biggest Facts‼️✊🏾💯
@joeylorenzo45722 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info man. Everything makes sense. More blessings your way bro. 🙏🏼
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
Most def bro.. Glad I could help man‼️👌🏾✊🏾
@ricardovera116 Жыл бұрын
New subscriber! Best description I’ve heard so far! May all the blessings come your way! THANK YOU!
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
I appreciate you brotha, Thank you man‼️
@HBTransportationllc2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff bro. Definitely looking to grab a high roof and start local routes as 1099 here in Maryland
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
Yessir‼️ Get it going brotha✊🏾
@HBTransportationllc2 жыл бұрын
@@dggothustle Appreciate you man!
@ronaldmoore12542 жыл бұрын
@@HBTransportationllc Hey Cliff just made that leap and I’m in Md …Do you have any info for down on this end
@imjcarp2 жыл бұрын
@@dggothustle any different things you’d need to do otr loads with cargo van?
@imtheguy1565 Жыл бұрын
This information is invaluable, thank you brother, I just subbed and liked this video. Least I could do.
@dougpatterson57692 жыл бұрын
I hope y'all listening cuz this is the best way I think and usco that is if you got your own van ya feel me you can make some money and you gotta be willing to drive and I mean no bull sheeting if you don't like to do you already done land lover in one place
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
Big Facts brotha‼️💯💪🏾✊🏾
@salassanchez4584 Жыл бұрын
thank you brotha for the amazing tips.sharing of knowledge is always welcomed here.wish you the best with your business.
@MrJUSTJONES205 Жыл бұрын
luah you for this bruh bruh i'll give you yo props when i start
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Yessir‼️ I appreciate you fam✊🏾
@markknisley245 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the helpful hints
@summerr4552 жыл бұрын
I like your way of thinking!! Good info!! I'm looking to get into the game now.
@cemulucinar5779 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, such a good content. Where do u take a shover amd how you sleep?
@Tacuache6022 жыл бұрын
When you run under a company as a carrier you just need a like a liability or full coverage insurance for your van
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
It just depends, most companies are diff.. some do some dont.. Im actually about to drop a video explaining it..
@fixany2day Жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing your experience and expertise
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching👌🏾
@thebetaguy Жыл бұрын
as a class a driver, i had a lease purchase deal with a company that would lock me in on a TQL load for like 1.30 would send me a fake ratecon, turned out they got paid 1.68 on it. It turned out they did that alot to me and I didn't know it. Def gotta shop the market.
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Wow, That is crazy. yea a lot of these companies greedy scammers. Instead of treating drivers fair and building a long term relationship they would rather burn through a 100 drivers a year..smh
@mariovallego5214 Жыл бұрын
Thank you man👍, may god bless you more.🤝
@smartworldentertainment90772 жыл бұрын
I’m trying to get my own van by next week and start the business 👍
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
Yessir, Good luck Fam👌🏾✊🏾
@younusarafat38882 жыл бұрын
Thanks brother for sharing your experience, god bless you my man🤛🏽
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
Thank you brother✊🏾
@curtiseli5423 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot
@trellroberts11312 жыл бұрын
Dispatcher not Disbatcher..lol got it bro🤣🤣🤣
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Ok Inspector gadget🤣🤣
@timmothymotley27462 жыл бұрын
Love the content boss, been an owner/op myself running big trucks though. Switching over to sprinters soon. Btw, it’s “dis-patcher”, not “dis-Batcher”. Keep gettin that loot! 💪🏾
@questioneverything5942 жыл бұрын
Why you quitting semi's?
@eddieyang13732 жыл бұрын
Keep a semi incase rate shoot up but we gotta see how 2024 2025 go see who our next president is to
@Max-ti5nq Жыл бұрын
Me too, been driving big truck for a few months but theres something about the cargo van life style that makes me wanna go for it, lol
@CatesCube Жыл бұрын
Great video. I want to save this video but I do not see how to do this.
@mrsergiu01 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! Would like to know a few things, if we have our MC running two flatbeds and would like to get a sprinter and to hire a driver.What to do in this case correctly ? 1.The Sprinter doesn't require MC ,but the Insurance is under our MC? 2.How to get the driver as contracor?does he need to open LLC or SP?
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
From what I know if you/your company provides the equipment, you have to hire the driver as an company employee, But im thinking and don't quote me on this, but if you find a way to rent your van out to a driver as a 1099 contractor there may be a loop hole in a way for that..
@user-ew8hy3jh1s Жыл бұрын
I appreciate you taking the time out and spreading the knowledge a lot of valuable information I needed to know I found out about you through big CJ follow him as I'll be in the game soon
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Rite on man, All I can say is start looking for work now, Look on indeed and craigslist in you area an just start reaching out to companies to lock something in.. Good luck man.
@user-ew8hy3jh1s Жыл бұрын
Thanks alot bro I'm on it, My name is D2 for southern California San Bernardino county thanks for the info I'll be hitting you up ✌🏿
@busterevergreen9673 Жыл бұрын
Yeah bruh just grabbed a sprinter hoping to make this thing take off
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
You got this bruh! Just get out there and get it👌🏾
@oto2403 Жыл бұрын
Super amigo gra ias por la informacion el proximo año compro mi primer van 😀😄😎
@javonwhitfield58572 жыл бұрын
Aye salute to u G I do the same thing me and my cousin started our own company wit the Dodge Ram pro master 2500…everything u saying sound correct to me…especially the part about using multiple carriers and not sitting for three days type thing. We have our own authority but we still use 9 diff Carrie’s like empire national and home land. The key is to keep that van rolling Fr. This def some god advice I can vouch that. Check out army of five we have some videos too but everything he said is legit
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
Man fam, I appreciate you real talk‼️ I try to keep it as real as possible on this thang much Luv my brotha💯✊🏾
@theworldisyours2241 Жыл бұрын
The question is : After their 15% , how much you end up with per mile ?? After your fuel ?? what's the average per hour ?
@indiomoreno37552 жыл бұрын
What do you recommend to start with vehical wise? Year, make and model without killing the bank, tools that is mandatory for this line of work?
@cerok100 Жыл бұрын
Thank you brotha I jus got my van yesterday
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Nice, Get that bread man, Stay safe on that road‼💯✊🏾
@biggbidnezz51655 ай бұрын
Preciate you for that fam. Thaz a lot of info that you just shot us. #Respect
@ronniehall1312 жыл бұрын
Cuz your the realist an straight to the point that's what is needed YES cut the other joint out I'm about to get in the game an that's all I needed to hear
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
Much love fam‼️ I really appreciate you I got tired of watching videos where they keep beating around the Bush and not keeping it Solid Trying to sell you something✊🏾
@gamenessfirstinc.20972 жыл бұрын
Can u break down your weekly Earnings and overhead?
@nicolasflores90472 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the info brother. Hope to see you around the Bay Area!
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
Most def brotha, no worries✊🏾
@perfectimperfectionstudio67607 ай бұрын
Good video
@dggothustle6 ай бұрын
Thank you Fam‼💯👌🏾
@manilla2602 жыл бұрын
how could i get in the game by say renting a truck from a place like enterprise or something ? i got a lot a info already but nobody seemed to have rented a truck until the run up enough to get their own. idk if my idea is dumb but i seen semis for rent on there so it’s a thought. help would be gladly appreciated my g cuz this vid already gave me more insight than the rest. clear cut direct info. thank you in advance 🤞🏽
@kicknitwithsatintouch27932 жыл бұрын
@dylan Dwyer did you get a resolution
@TherapyKutz2 жыл бұрын
@@kicknitwithsatintouch2793 I have the same question
@PinkGum316 Жыл бұрын
God Bless you...good video
@djspiritjamuzik1272 Жыл бұрын
Very helpful information
@gedgecomb Жыл бұрын
Do you need a factoring company when you have your own authority and using a loadboard or dispatcher?
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Yessir‼️ Unless the dispatcher offers it.. Most times they do👌🏾
@gedgecomb Жыл бұрын
@@dggothustle Thanks! Appreciate the wealth of info!
@alexmanga4897 Жыл бұрын
Great video,thank you.
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Thank you brotha, Thanks for watching👌🏾✊🏾
@beezytalkingshit93192 жыл бұрын
Honestly I think the 15% is worth it if you're using their insurance. How much does commercial insurance cost though a month? I wouldn't mind buying a truck and having normal insurance on it and just paying for gas if commercial insurance is that much.
@karlhouse23162 жыл бұрын
Do you have a video about your van setup? What you need in it? Do you sleep in your van?
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
I forsure need to make one brotha, I do sleep in my van most nights while on the road!
@e.j.c1795 Жыл бұрын
With all that being said, seems like you do pretty good just running local around the bay using the apps
@kerubelalmi72672 жыл бұрын
Thanks to sharing us ur experience 👌😎
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
My pleasure 😊
@jacksonlee31332 жыл бұрын
how do you get started running under a carrier if your renting a sprinter van ? or should I just wait on it until I get my own authority ? hoping by the end of July to have all that completed. running courier and Amazon flex. I have several years of logistics and dispatch experience, but it's been a while. started getting into courier work when my husband got laid off from the union hall for a bit now thinking we'd be able to replace his income if not surpass it doing transport work. I live in NJ so I'm pretty sure we can do regional northeast runs and make it work , there are probably about 8 Amazon ( wanna do box truck relay as well through Amazon and using day and other boards ) warehouses just within 30 mile radius from us, plus a ton of other warehouses.
@HypedOUT2 жыл бұрын
you figure it out? im curious
@curiosityredpill7030 Жыл бұрын
No reply
@RavenHiker89 Жыл бұрын
found my new sub, thank you sir.
@Darthrocker06 Жыл бұрын
i'd like to get into this but i dont own a sprinter or cargo van
@acollins9277 Жыл бұрын
Great info👍🏾✊🏾
@user-tm4wk5gk7c11 ай бұрын
good info
@dggothustle11 ай бұрын
I appreciate you👌🏾
@daricstegall7903 Жыл бұрын
Hi, you provided some great info for me as I'm just getting started in the business. Question about the mc and dot number. I was told by others if you're under 10k Gross weight it's not necessary, because if you have it and when you get your log book audit they will deactivate you as won't have one. Thoughts?
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Nice! Yeah so its kind of a grey area, You technically only need DOT/MC if you want to book your own loads through shippers and brokers or you can just lease onto a carrier, but when you do get that audit and say Hey my equipment is under 10k pounds you may be good.. Its a real good question..
@GhostruckerX Жыл бұрын
what about having no middle man and just deal with shippers and receivers more money no?
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
of course. that's the goal forsure👌🏾
@MrMarlboroman123 Жыл бұрын
70-80 cents a mile is less than uber/lyft
@celebrationcruisetrip57352 жыл бұрын
I have a cargo van in Illinois and want to learn this business after being laid- off? How is the business for woman? I want to know are you doing the heavy lifting? I also have a 2500 pickup truck with a snow plow and salt spreader and want to learn that business too.
@darnelljrvereen5572 жыл бұрын
Good looks bro much respect ✌🏾
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
💯
@JusKalen2 жыл бұрын
Lol intro is awesome
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
✊🏾
@altonellis1232 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the content.Want to start asap.
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
Yessir Fam Get to it‼️
@ericmob822 Жыл бұрын
What the best cargo van to get to all the loads
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Any thing long, with a high roof.. More room = more opportunity to make more money👌🏾
@vin605 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the info bro
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Most Def Fam, Rite on for watching💯✊🏾
@EverythingApax2 жыл бұрын
It can vary. We Pay 3%
@hollywoodgaming922 жыл бұрын
You’re a dispatcher?
@bayareaclassicscom2 жыл бұрын
Bro..Hella impressed!
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
Rite on Fam, I appreciate you‼️
@STOICSOUL777 Жыл бұрын
appreciate the advice bro.
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
All good Fam‼️✊🏾
@Art33g2 жыл бұрын
Great video, very useful, thank you. How many pallets can you fit into your van please? And what roughly you can make per week with the size of your van? Thank you.
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I can fit 3 pallets.. you can make 1.5k-4.5k a week just depending..
@elpidiomendezjr.67442 жыл бұрын
How you doing bro.. am in Dallas what type of van would you recommend me to get am trying to start on this business...
@ItsTavo Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
All good‼️ Thank you for watching👌🏾
@htinternational2474 Жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if it's worth it because that insurance is the same approach to having insurance on a semi trucking trailer with a million dollar coverage and I dont know if van cargo make as much as a semi.
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
For me it was $960 a month, 1mill liability and 100k cargo.
@htinternational2474 Жыл бұрын
@@dggothustle ok thanks
@Pedro-iy5so2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Great content boss! I’m from the Bay as well! My question to you is, can you make good money in cargo van local only? Keep up the good work 👏🏼
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
Rite on brotha.. Yes you can! if anything you sometimes can make more locally. Especially in the bay!!
@Pedro-iy5so2 жыл бұрын
@@dggothustle got it! Any apps or dispatch services that you would suggest? Thanks for all the knowledge
@eharris6347 Жыл бұрын
Seem like it would be a pain in the Azz To sleep in the van At least semi has a sleeper and a few amenities It’s like hot shot drivers sleeping in their trucks Just seems tough to do especially like in the Deep South in the middle of summer
@terrytaylor51996 ай бұрын
RTS Factoring is 3 percent
@reggaepaul Жыл бұрын
much Love.....
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Appreciate you brotha✊🏾
@sakiusavinau699 Жыл бұрын
Thx for the information bro
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
No worries, Thx for watching‼👌🏾
@dj19801012 жыл бұрын
Very helpful 👍
@dggothustle2 жыл бұрын
👌🏾✊🏾
@adrianwiltzproperties9 күн бұрын
Do you recommend I go under my own authority?
@davidlucasmachado2831 Жыл бұрын
Big dawg....I have a 2020 Ford Transit 2500 Sprinter Van extended....which straps should I use to tie down my freight ?
@johannac9384 Жыл бұрын
Great info! Where do I find dispatchers if I am just starting?
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
Indeed, Google, Facebook groups, craigslist you just have to research your area..
@johannac9384 Жыл бұрын
@@dggothustle Thank you!
@austinwilliams3665 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t take any less than $2 a mile, I heard you say $1 a mile and there’s no money in that after gas etc.
@dggothustle Жыл бұрын
I made plenty of profit from $1 a mile runs but I also own my van with little overhead.. I feel the ones who make no profit have a van payment plus high insurance so its makes no sense to them..