Fjallraven leads the pack in this regard.

Wouldn't another reason for the price difference be Patagonia's commitment to fair trade labor practices causing a significant increase off the price to manufacture? A major plus, in my opinion!

please do not buy new waterproof clothing from patagonia, if anything, look for a used one or get stuff from companies that do not use 'forever chemicals' (PFCs) which are cancerogenic

I have an old Frogg Toggs ultralite with lots of duct tape on it. It's still usable.

@@elizabethdodson8691 That might be a factor, but I think the brand name is really the issue... If Patagonia sold air there'd be a least a 40% markup over other _air sellers._

You’re fired.

@@MirandaGoesOutside Alright, well... guess I gotta go beg MrBeast for a job now.

😂 I love that!! Frogg Toggs Frogg Toggs Frogg Toggs!😀 You're right, it IS fun!!

🐸 Toggs !!!!!!

Nice I’m from inland empire and was finally going to cough up spending on a jacket especially now that we in June jackets go on sale

Own the Patagonia. Buy once, cry once, absolutely applies. It’s expensive; but, it’s good, so far best I’ve owned. I’m 67 yo.

I was gonna call BS on the "light use" until I saw you copped that you went through the Amazonian rainforest conditions of San Diego this year. Seattle has NOTHIN on us. I just argued above that this was a great company and not like the NIKE's out there. You just put the nail in the coffin on that one. That makes you a customer for life...good on them.

I had a similar, but negative experience with Patagonia warranty on their toreent shell H2No jacket that delaminated. After the fabric wouldn't hold the water and weird stains appeared on the inside, I contacted Patagonia and they've acknowledged the known delamination issue. Instead of offering me a new jacket, they asked for the copy of original receipt. That was unexpected, and after I couldn't find it, they offered me a gift certificate in the lowest amount that this jacket was ever sold (probably at the end of the season) - $68. That certificate was only goid at their stores. The only decent thing I was able to buy with that amount, after adding $10 of my own money is a himing shirt(which I love btw). Needless to say, I never bought another Patagonia item and switched to Arc'teryx whose warranty and support has been awesome.

I just got a brand new Slate Sky in Wavy blue in a medium.. I had a five year old Rainshadow I got in large and was always to big. They actually send me a label to return my Rainshadow. Upon receipt they were like pick any other rain jacket $200 or less and we got you. I seriously paid nothing. $200 for two professional jackets. The customer service was amazing, better than Apple. Just buy Patagonia with one caveat. They make clothing for lanky people like the girl here in the video (she’s not exactly lanky) I am however. Amy cousin who’s kinda bigger seems to not dig Patagonia and I think it’s the slimmer/trimmer fit. Columbia makes great cheaper rain year if you’re a big dude. The watertight II is great for light rain. Anyways.

I love my Marmot which was $90.

Thirding the excellence of the Precip. I'm fat and my Precip Eco is a 2X, but it only weighs 8.7oz, so the difference between that and the Frogg Toggs is ridiculously minimal.

Marmot precip is a great middle ground. It’s packable (light), has full features (hood stuffs into collar, pit zips, adjustable sleeves and hood, etc), waterproof, and inexpensive. You can usually find these of clearance somewhere for about $60.

none of these jackets breath well enough to prevent condensation. i run a 800$ gortex arcterx jacket and that struggles to keep up for all our clients, not just myself. it's a fact of life that if you're blocking water in, you're blocking it out. if it doesn't happen soon then you're slacking too much, or the temp differential isn't great, etc etc. Not to mention the obvious, that if a jacket is 50% covered by beading/running water at any point in time (which it tends to be if it's raining!), did you think your sweat vapour was gonna pass through that 50% layer of water? Like bubbles going up? Maybe some small fish in there? lol. Nope, it backs up and you're equivalent to a plastic bag. Pit zips are good why? because they understand perfectly well the "water no in = water no out" fact of life. They say "We Need to exist.... but where shall we go so that we cause the least of trouble?". Every jacket should have them. It is kind of hilarious that in 2024 you have to look around for them in $100 jackets. It's kind of like a spoon still not having figured out that it needs to curve inward a bit, not just be flat. Next: there is a secret that not many know, and it is the ultimate way to achieve breath-ability AND complete bone-dryness, endlessly. It's counter intuitive but standard procedure on all our expeditions in northern Canada. Buy 2 jackets. First, the lightest, slimmest, Most breath-able possible that exists, while still being a rainjacket. We're talking climbing jackets here folks. We're talking kleenex light jackets. Like Marmot minimalist and others. We're talking the ULTRA breathers, which naturally corresponds with lightness and thin-ness. And you buy any proper bulky jacket by PAT, NF, MARMOT, REI, whoever. Just get the proper rain jacket you probably have already, and OVER size it. my friends, you ain't seen NOTHING for breathability and dryness, till you rig up that system. Gortex is Gorgone. But most people don't do it because 1, money and 2, its counter intuitive. Oh and, if you want breathability that is SO extreme you can't believe this is reality, even when you're working the hardest in the coldest soaking wet conditions, you simply put a thin fleece or mid-weight baselayer OVER the inner jacket. What you have done there is created an air space between jackets uniformly everywhere. This air space PREVENTS the jackets from touching in ANY place = you don't lose the fact that there are places where your first layer is ULTRA breathable. and stay warm on top of it. The same concept is used in tents, with fly separate from body (not 1 piece body). And there is no weight issue from this system because the inner jacket is nothing for weight. Also, you might even save weight, because a windbreaker need not be taken, since the inner layer VERY closely serves as one (not exactly, but very closely). As for delamination, it happens with sweat/body odours clogging up pores and typicaly happens where skin is touching material, rubbing into it, like back of neck (sometimes elbows). part of reality my friend. There is a fix but these joke companies like PAT never include it because they want you coming back for replacement. You fasten a very thin sheet of soft material, like an thin fleece patch. Fasten that patch of that area of the jacket. You see, the problem is caused by RAPID injection of water vapour into material, and oils (which happens when your skin is pushing into it) and that fleece patch slows (essentially terminates) that effect. Also, dirt (essentially tiny abrasive rocks... think sand.. but think smaller than sand, still abrasive) literally tears the stuff during rubbing skin against it. Also, bug spray and such obliterates the jacket, so fast you can see results before finishing lunch. And bug spray often is placed at back of neck etc. We go through one of those jackets every 2 month period per client in our outdoor ed program (non expedition). We see them as disposables. Almost like plastic bags. Yes I am talking about Marmot precip, Pat, NF, Rab, all these jokesters cooking up the same jacket. This is precisely why we needed to think up our own ways to stay dry (and breath-able), instead of relying on these joke companies to do it for us with 1 single jacket, a jacket rigged up so that customers ave to return to buy again. Only when you pay $500 and upward do you get to jackets that rig down (subtract features/designs causing future spends, or add them to prevent such spends), but again, even they fail on trip. Oh and by the way, it still remains true that the most ultimate waterproof breather is a poncho for the simple fact that you can Flip it up and release all the vapour in 1 second. Ultra lite hikers discovered this because they're set on the lightest by nature of what they do. The trouble is, though, that ponchos are not durable, don't have features like pockets, or stiff hoods. They're supreme for the breathability aspect (in conjunction with flips) but they fail in every other regard. And that makes them a deal breaker. Finally, if all you're doing is casually paddling or sitting around or walking on a flat trail at chill pace, ANYTHING will do. Might as well get the ultimate in waterproofness (solid, no pores, nothing), because your evap-rate is too slow to backfire. On top of this you'll stay warm and toasty due to your heat literally bubble-suspended around your body. All these jackets what they are doing is trying to deal with the back-fire issue. Think about what you really need. What your case really involves.

@@LisaBlooper Bro! Take a breather!😂😂

Plus one for using a hat in the rain! I pretty much always hike with a hat anyway, so it’s not any extra weight for me anyway. Even with it being a goretex hat, I’ve never had any times where it’s been too hot to wear.

(if) you can get them, the salomon bonatti flip mitts are amazing.

The Rainshadow was a slightly better version that stretched and looked better but for some reason they quit making them. They were only like $20 more.

The newer 3-layer model of the Torrentshell is one of the most durable and by far the best under $200 rain gear around for men women and children

Headed to Alaska, researching outerwear for rain. Frogg Toggs are on my list but this video makes me rethink it, I definitely love me some pockets!! May have time to add some in, as I’m a pretty good seamstress.

If I could find warmth plus rainproof with pockets, even better for evening when not hiking.

I got the torrent shell and love it!

Its not an educational comparison, its a commercial for Patagonia. She didnt even order the right size Frogg then complained it was too small...

How do you renew the DWR? Because I have a rain jacket from The North Face that used to be really great, but now it isn't waterproof at all anymore.

@@peaksandpaws wash the jacket with soap flakes (or Nikwax Tech Wash), rinse, then wash it again with Nikwax TX Direct. I'll say to mind your expectations though. It'll never be as good as it was from the factory now. Say what you like about PFCs (they're really bad, no doubt), but modern DWRs just aren't as good.

@@Jedwoods Great! Thank you so much. I'll look into that stuff.

What do you like better about the Rainshadow than the torrent shell reviewed here?

I just edited my comment as realized it's actually the Patagonia Calcite Jacket, which is a GORE-TEX shell, that I have. not the Rainshadow. I recall part of the reason I went with it over the Torrentshell was because it also had a chest pocket which is really nice to have on a everyday jacket. I'm also in the PNW and it's held up really well to the frequent rain here.

@@rockjays7926 sweet! I’ll likely buy one of those. I’m in San Diego but have friends in PNW and wanted to buy one that’d be good for PNW. Which is the most breathable of the ones you own for jogging in rain?

I use this one too for riding a bicycle to and from work. I think it is the “Exposure 2” by MHW but is also the GoreTex PacLite material. Super easy to bring with you every day everywhere.

I’ve had my OR Helium for seven years now and it’s the best I’ve had hands down. When it fails I’ll probably try to buy another of the same one 😅

OR Helium (and Outdoor Research products in general) beats Patagonia in all ways. But one thing that is especially important for me - it's quiet. Torentshell and Precip were both driving me crazy because of how squicky and loud are they

I'm seeing a number of requests in the comments for the bloopers at the end to return! Okay - we can make that happen. 😊

Ya i took mines to Taiwan, which can be hot, and rain all sudden, and or if you go hike the mountains.😃 It's also decently light and packable

yeah they have a few different lines of jackets. I forget which one I got, but it had pockets, and it lasted for years before it wore out. It proved itself more waterproof and longer lasting than gore-tex jackets I've owned. They are loud, stiff and uncomfortable, those are the main downsides.