My very first gun was also a 870 youth model 20 gauge, I got my first turkey and deer with it, after years of not using it last year I dedicated it as a turkey gun, got a Remington thumb hole pistol grip style stock from midway USA and a fairly cheap sight mark sight and what a great turkey gun, light and great to hunt with, right now I have an H.S strut undertaker extra full choke and use long beard Xr #6s very consistent out to 45-50, going to try the tss before this season side by side, thanks for a great video

Great Video man! Very helpful! Those 20 gauges with TSS are wicked lil dudes!

Man I was watching the other video for the 10th time when you dropped this one.!👍👍👍

Spot on, not only on how to Properly pattern your shotgun but Nice choke Comparison!!!!

Thanks for the video and review!! You now have New Mexico Fans!! Good luck this season!!👍🏼

Excellent video! Love the Federal TSS #9 out of my 20ga

I love my 20g 870. My first gun too, and still my main shooter. Been shooting it for 24 years. My mom shot her first long beard opening day this year. A mile in on public land at that.

What an Excellent video! Goes to show you a 20ga is all you need and those patterns are insane! I definitely need to try those in my Mossberg 500 20ga equipped with a Indian creek choke!

Great test,much appreciated👍

Just last week I ordered a box or federal TSS #7 (they were out of 9s) and a Carlson’s TSS choke in 20ga.. look forward to testing the pattern.

Very good 20 gauge patterns. I have tried the Federal TSS #9 in 3" 12 gauge out of my Winchester SXP with a pistol grip stock, 18" barrel, Carlson's TSS choke and the pattern was impressive. That load in the SXP hurts my hand it kicks so hard, the hand takes more of the recoil with the pistol grip stock than the shoulder.

My first "turkey gun" was a remington 1100 20 gauge my grandfather bought after the war. To this day I've never taken a Turkey with it, moved on to a 12 too soon. Hoping to change that next season

The IC .555 will normally throw a hot core and a .562-.575 will throw great hunting patterns. Running an undertaker .575 with the apex GT-20 and rolled one at 47 steps last weekend.

Nice video! I just ordered the Apex 3.5" #8 this week.

Good job on the video. That IC choke is hard to beat!

Hey great video!!!! Are you planning on comparing the 3.5 federal tss 8-10, 7-9, 9, or 7, against the Apex line.

Big slow loaded shells pattern left for me in 20 guage but I only need 1 choke and I hand load all my shells good video

Do you happen to remember where you got the music at the beginning?

Primos Tight Wad has always shot great for me, and is the best bang for the buck choke. Put some adjustable sights on and the BDS choke will be ridiculous.

How much better will this be than the magnum blend with 5,6,7 all in one shot 3inch Remington 20 gauge with tight wade choke short barrel thanks .

If you put the apex shell beside the federal, is the apex shorter?... I’m having trouble cycling the 3 in federal tss shells because they are a tad longer than other 3in shells... franchi affinity is my gun.

you have any videos shooting the heavyweight 20 gauge?

How about the new Browning load 7X9's?

What is a good set up for 12 gauge with #9 tss. REM 870

Why did you not shoot the Federal Heavyweight?

What's the barrel length on that gun?

Almost makes me feel like I need my two 870's in 20ga. in the blind with different chokes.. It is 2020 now and Fed Hvywt. 20ga #9 is sold out everywhere it was less expensive.. As a backup I bought some #7.. I just need to do ranging patterns and use my rangefinder.. Last year I did a good kill at a long range and almost blew it because the shot pattern dropped just like a rifle .. I'll place decoys at 20, 30,40, and no further. The pattern is so tight I really need to practice. Two turkeys per season and fuel,license,lodging, property lease, food and time makes ammo costs negligible.

Thanks for the excellent video! Did you run a bore snake or do anything to clean the barrel between shots?

Tru glo gobble stopper adjustable sights

Only thing that sucks is you can’t try the chokes before you buy them....I like that Indian creek though. May have to give one a try...anyone else had good luck with those ?

Turns the 20ga into a heavy hitting turkey or coyote rig for kids or female shooters , or some just don't like recoil or weight

You have applied by Wolfram but you neutralize him radioactivity, because the half-life is quite a lot? Even the ore from which tungsten is obtained radioactive. Famous American producer of ammunition of radioactive tungsten Barnes ceased to produce bullet Barnes MRX (maximum range X), which has a perfect penetration, because it contains a core of tungsten.

I think I’d invest in a set of sights instead of relying on Kentucky windage.

Another excellent video. As tight as that is out there, at 20 yds that makes me a little nervous for my daughter's shooting that round. The Winchester long beard XR performs great, but I've never seen nothing like that out of a 20 gauge. Federal has definitely raised the bar.

I patterned my 20 guage benelli m2 with apex the other day. It also pulled a little left.

It looks like the 570 might be better if a closer shot is offered.

I seen you had a box of longbeard xr did you shoot them as well ? If so how did they perform ?

How was your pattern with the ORIGINAL Federal Heavyweight compared to the TSS (any brand) is the pattern that much better with the TSS to compensate for the cost difference?

Where did you get those targets??

Nice video but I'll stick to using my Remington SP10, 10ga with Federal Flite Control Mag Shok #5's & my Primo's JellyHead Choke tube.. It's absolutely lights out deadly on turkeys..

I use federal TSS. Pretty expensive, but worth it

What length is the barrel

Anyone considering buying Apex ammunition: Don't wait! Those guys sell out way before turkey season, so be early, and get your ammo while you can.

My Indian creek ..665 shoots right in my benelli super 90, kicks and rhino shoot point of aim, so you have to pattern this stuff to know

Are you using 9 shot strictly for patterning?

Always invest in a red dot for turkey hunting with tight patterns. Have your gun drilled and tapped.

Know it doesnt apply to the pump your using. However for those that use semiautos fair warning, those 3" federal heavyweight tss shells will hangup in a heartbeat in a franchi affinity 3 20ga. The 3" federal shell is longer than the 3" apex shell. While both pattern fantastically, you don't want to have to make a followup shot on a bird and find out the federal shell failed to cycle.

Apex all the way!!!

If Winchester makes a Longbeard xr with TSS game it is over

Prefer the Federal bcz great pattern also at lower price

Best not let him get too close with that combo.

INDIAN CREEK $100.OO PRIMOS TIGHT WAD $45.00

12ga tss #9 53 yards last year dead gobbler

I've always told anyone if you're shooting tight chokes when they're less than 20 yards aim at the base of the neck where the feathers meet his head. If you pull a little high like a lot of people do, you still kill him, and if you're dead on, the impact will snap his neck instantly. If you aim at his head and pull when using a .555 choke at 15-20 yards you miss that bird all day. I prefer like you do, a nice open pattern at 40 yards so i know if he walks into 20 yards I can still kill that bird and not have to be annie oakley to kill a turkey at 20 yards. anything beyond 45 yards in my book ain't turkey hunting and is very unethical b/c your chances of wounding that bird or killing the hen 2 feet to the right of him increases drastically. Idc what people say about their gun, and they can do whatever they want but for me 45 yards and in is my go to. I'd rather not wound a tom who could breed 20 hens than take the chance at 50 yards.

I think it would be a little cheaper to hunt with a grenade launcher rather than Apex or TSS!!

Good ol fashion # 6 worked good for along time,just ask the ol timers with their double barrels.old school Turkey hunters.Look at what Will Primos is using....a 28 gauge double barrel.I just like old school ways of hunting.

What I find hilarious is everybody that's out here buying the super high dollar shells when promo loads work equally as well with ALOT less recoil and cheaper to shoot and make a lot less noise and then the big 3-inch or 3.5(12/10 gauge magnums) magnums when discharged.

60$ for a box of shells, you might as well put an optic on that gun. The first pattern was devastating. Move that pattern right 4 inches, wow 70 yard gun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hands down the federal load was better than the Apex load hands down it was better in both chocks there's really no decision there and I don't know why you're having such a hard time does siding this the federal load was clearly the winner and I'm sure it doesn't cost as much

Honestly the Federal is junk compared to APEX, Pendleton Ammo TSS, or other handloaded shells. No joke. We chronographed the Federal loads at 200+ FPS slower than the box advertised. And the next shell would be 100 FPS faster, then slower again. And the patterns were inconsistent because the velocity was inconsistent.

Stick with federal cheaper and better performance

Nasty just nasty!

A piece of a advice from someone who has been shooting TSS for years before it was available in factory ammo....TSS patterns SIGNIFICANTLY tighter than anything you have seen before. You don't need "turkey" chokes with TSS unless you plan on taking 60+ yard shots. And yes, with TSS and a good turkey choke you can absolutely kill turkeys at 60+ yards with a 20ga. I have seen it with my own eyes several times. The problem with that setup is what you have seen here: an insanely tight pattern up close. A pattern that has resulted in many missed birds and frustrated and embarrassed hunters when the bird sneaks up on you and he's standing there at 15 yards. You have a slug gun at that range. If you hit him you will demolish him but it's easier to miss than you think. Long story short if you are happy with 50 yard effectiveness go grab that old cheap standard "full" choke that came with your shotgun and give it a try with TSS, you might be happily surprised and still stand a good chance of hitting that tom at 20yds as well as killing him at 50. And remember, those dense patterns might be great for bragging rights but it really only takes one pellet to the brain or neck to kill the bird, if you've got 5+ in the vitals at 50 its all you need. good hunting!

Now that's the problem you have with these new shells and tight chokes,if that Turkey isn't standing completely still like that target at 20 yds you gonna flat out miss him.people are trying to see how far they can wound them instead of trying to call them in close enough to actually kill em!

Ridiculousness ? To say a .410 can hold par with a 12ga. because of ammo is ridiculous. You shouldn't tell lies like that. So, if I have a 12ga. and I use TSS ammo that means my gun is up to par with a 8ga. right? Totally Ridiculous ? A .410 is a short range gun, nothing more. I had a buddy that hunted with me with a .410 for rabbits, I had a 20ga. He got tired of the rabbits running away with his pellets and bought a 20ga. He bagged way more rabbits with his 20ga. than that .410 ever did. So, to kill a turkey with a .410 you must be real close or plan on shooting them more than once. You can forget about shooting turkeys that hold up on you beyond 40 yards. Even at 40 yards you would still need the magic BB to get one with 1 shot? I would be nervous? 30 yards or less and being still no problem. .410's are great guns for kids and beginners at close range. That's why they make good guns for home defense, close range and hardly any kick. Ammo and gun costs just as much as a 20ga. and 12ga. ? They never used to be, they were always cheaper until the name home defense?

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