Damn fine point Potato (if I may be so familiar?), also it would be reasonable to expect the AWAC'S would have an escort? I could imagine a scenario where they might divide into five groups with flights of two plus two, A active and B reserve setting up a 'chainsaw'; B would hold back and replace as A went 'winchester (probably losing ground to maintain their superior range)' , it would certainly aid with 'deconfliction'. Obviously the groups would fan out. This might work better but the major fault with my fiendish strategy is how long it takes A to return and re-arm? The 'Blob' is a mighty foe! So maybe four initial groups as above, with four F-22's held in reserve and directed to plug the gaps? It's still a mighty 'ask' but surely if any worthy humanoid group could do it, it would be the Grim Reapers (cough cough). Taking an overview, if there was such a situation with 20 F-22's on one base and a known threat from the 'Blob' I would expect there would be mutual support and defence both land based and Naval. Still, damn good fun though. Merry Christmas, I hope it's a good one. Pax

@@conmcgrath7174 Yes, the key would be to keep all the F-22s from firing at once. I would think human tactics carried out by human pilots could still beat the Blob.

@@conmcgrath7174 AWACS would never have escort as the ideal battle scenario is your fighting force is enough to hold greater than the minimum distance for OPFOR to engage the AWACS. Airborne radar's purpose is to extend your missile range beyond the enemy's missile range. An AWACS loss (how and why) would be, outside of the absolute operation failure, the key information that tells you exactly where your weaknesses are/how you made mistakes. The AWACS would RTB/egress if or when the combat theater threatens them. Given that they have (up to) 400 nautical miles of "sight", the AWACS knows well ahead of time where they should be positioned.

I was thinking the same thing all those missiles in the second fight were wasted. Proper deconfliction will win the day easily for the F-22.

@@TykeMison_ I bow to your greater knowledge, but 'hang on a sec' two things, firstly I must admit most of my opinion of modern air warfare is based on watching Grim Reapers? They have certainly in the past provided escorts to AWACS, right or wrong tactically. Secondly, I was informed by a trusted serving Officer of HRM's forces that in an exercise (possibly 80's/90's) that the RAF did indeed 'potentially' take out an AWACS of the USA, though I'm willing to admit it might have been Canada, I'm not so well versed on the subject. I get your point but you didn't address all that I said originally, it ended 'Taking an overview, if there was such a situation with 20 F-22's on one base and a known threat from the 'Blob' I would expect there would be mutual support and defence both land based and Naval.' Anyway, it's just a game and damn funny at times. Seasons greetings, I hope you have a good one. Pax

would be much smaller and they did this probably already.

This is a good suggestion

This or 2 raptors v 10 SU-35’s would help with deconfliction as well, or all jets could be human pilots?

and then they both immediately get too close to AI planes and get shot down XD

With only two human "Blue crew" pilots, instead of going into the fight I'd move to escort my Sky Eyes.

@@timbaskett6299 AWACS has always been an after thought in GR.... in the real World, it's the top priority.

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I was just thinking about the super tomcat and what engines would be best.

Roger noted.

You said it for me! Happy Christmas, I hope it's a great one. Pax

My pleasure Glider! x

@@grimreapers one big issue you stated Russia middles where futuristic when, in fact whrn I fact thryeciding and have been using the hypersonic missile for several months which would blow a F22 out kf the sky.

@@Grant80 not really because the problem is still the fact that the f22 has stealth. Also I believe the US is getting very close to having hypersonic missiles, if we don’t already.

In a real fight, the raptors would not be constrained to landing on Malta. If they stayed high energy (altitude + speed) and sent at least aim-120 after each incoming high energy flanker, the flankers should be forced to dive into thicker air, sacrificing most energy. Even if this did not buy enough time to restock ammo at Malta, it should give enough of an energy advantage to easily escape to Turkey or Crete. Their superior supercruise would enable restocking there before any red air arrives. Now, this assumes that the flankers would overwhelm the raptors in the first place, which is not at all obvious. With good coordination of the targeting, and with focus on high energy flankers, the flankers should be forced to stay low as long as some raptors have aim-120s remaining. Not only would this reduce the speed that the flankers could close at (potentially enough to allow some flankers to restock at any time), it would also limit the range of the R77s. Low energy flankers could thus safely be allowed to approach closer to the raptors, meaning any aim-120s eventually launched at them would have a much higher kill probability. In a real fight, there would also be patriot batteries around the blue airbases, naval forces in the area and other air assets placed nearby, which would quickly turn this engagement very one-sided. Russia is not even able to fly over Ukraine. There is no way they would be able to project air superiority over Nato territory for very long. Now, if this video is really about Taiwan, then things might be different there. Such a fight (if including the USA) would be radically bigger, though, and a simulation would have to include thousands of planes, SAMs, cruise missiles and naval units. Allied defenses would need to have multiple layers, with some stationed on Taiwan, some on Japanese islands and several carriers to the rear. Probably beyond the scope of a youtube video, though.

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I'm not so sure. After all, can anyone compete with Grumpnik?

Wouldn't help.

Will try.

And have 1 human directing the others onto targets. @Nicoli It would help quite a bit since they'd be flying back to base as if there were a swarm of enemy fighters on their tail, as well as firing their missiles in a somewhat more intelligent way.

@@grimreapers Maybe have a few F15EXs as support or F35s which would be the most likely scenario

Wouldn't matter, force multipliers like stealth just increases the likelihood of winning, not the number of enemies you can fight. If you have no chance of winning due to numbers your still not going to win.

The missles would come from different azimuths, making it almost impossible for 10 raptors to shoot at one guy

Cap needs to stop having the combatants all start the mission by scrambling from airbases or carriers, all it does is string them out and cause them to engage each other in a way that would never happen in real life, and watching aircraft scramble from an airbase is not an important variable of what's being tested. An F-22 can be supersonic before the end of the runway, but the AI treats it like a grandma out for a Sunday drive, so what's being proven here? Cap should just start everyone in the air, organized into flights of four, and separated in space to deconflict adjacent flights for at least the first exchange of missiles.

@@jasonosmond6896 "An F-22 can be supersonic before the end of the runway"..... yeah..... sure..... 🙄

@@danielberger1378 take it up with this guy if you have a problem with it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/otKkgMmcz5fdgIk.html

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It's been on fire for years and even sunk once, but still going strong. What a tough beast!

@@peterfinland1370 Not exactly going strong really is it. I mean it cannot complete a tour without breaking down. They got a few hundred nautical miles away from shore and asked the Americans to supply them with drinking water because the filtration system broke down. The only thing going strong in the Russian Navy is the tug boats and salvage crews.

Kuznetsov roasting on an open fire...'tis the season.

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Roger thanks for feedback!

Maybe I'll get some guys together and we'll try 20 humans vs AI reds. Takes a while to organise the guys.

@@grimreapers 10 vs 50 should still work for what you're doing. Probably a more realistic scenario too.

Grump promised me cookies if I had at least some form of self preservation

Have yet to receive cookies though

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Yeh de-confliction is the problem here.

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It's already unrealistic to have 2/3 of every Su-35 ever built in one engagement in the Med, much less having that concentration surprising a small OPFOR of only Raptors. The idea is to test the metal, not the thinky bits.

agree

Interestingly the effective range of Typhoon's IRST has doubled in the last ten years without touching the sensors. Just vastly more powerful real-time data processing of the returned signals. The same reason (tranche 3+) RAF Typhoons are tracking RN F-35Bs at up to 90 miles - real-time digital RADAR and IR return data processing is a game changer. Similarly IRIS-T and ASRAAM AI is so good, if you are in their "sight" - you're dead. Flares - towed decoys - whatever - hopeless against them.

Maybe double the Raptor's or give them better Missles... dam... I can't believe they lost. I didn't know that about RTB mode, that they just stop fighting.

@@nathaniellazo5912 Its just a numbers game really, with over 100 planes to shoot down they either need to have a near 100% kill per missile ratio with their first wave of AIM-120's or have the AI fixed so that they actually fire all their missiles at right away at max range and RTB on full afterburner so they can re-arm faster. Either way, by the time the Raptors get back in the air they will just be swarmed by the SU-35s. Even if all the the AI problems were fixed I'd still only call it a maybe 50% chance the raptors win, Its just so many SU-35s.

That bursted quickly!

Thanks Sir!

Make it 4 as in Finger 4’s and have them go to different locations or waypoints that are 40-60 km apart so they’re dealing with different opponents!

I tried, but as soon as combat starts, planes ignore orders and just fire at their biggest threat. Just have to let them get on with it.

@@grimreapers Likely as they can see the enemy as soon as they take off, you would have to either stagger coming into detection range or perhaps have the AWACS on some kind of spawn or activation delay.

ooof big question. From my experience we would want access to core missile code. Currently everything with all of our missiles has to be "bodged" which causes all sorts of problems.

Noooo, you probably don't. Cap has dropped some hints about their "relationship". I gather they don't exchange holiday cards anymore.

They are not very happy with me.

lols maybe I should change it to Valid!

The Blues taking off all at once got them whiped out.... just saying.

Who can afford 100 Raptors?

@@robk1602 Pretty sure they haven't lost half the fleet to accidents.

But as DCS is not a sim - it uses simple trigger points so the missile are not deconflicted properly. So the outcome would be the same. In real life the AMRAAMS could be given a new target in flight if the intended target has been taken out. In a target rich environment like this just the confusion alone would guarantee a fair few kills.

I have to agree with this assessment

@@LondonSteveLee Then I am confused. Digital Combat Simulator -- DCS. What am I missing?

@@billisaacs702 The implication seems to be that _DCS_ takes shortcuts in its simulation to allow more stuff at the cost of a 1:1 relation with reality, with the hope that the shortcut wouldn't affect the outcome, and they guessed wrong. A common example from games is the use of hitscan for guns rather than simulating a ballistic trajectory and individual bullets, or indestructible terrain.

The problem is that the US has several magnitudes more viable attack/fighter aircraft than Russia, or Russia and China combined. The F-22 isn't as abundant of course, but then there are 400+ F-35 across the services to help out. The real blob is the US. : )

@@jamison884 if you read carefully i was talking about this scenario only not in general. Also it seems that you are ignoring the fact that both China and Russia have their own 5th gen fighters. Now depending on what you believe, their capabilities are possibly exaggerated with propaganda campaigns as a deterrent to the west, a tactic the US also is very good at and uses alot, every major power in the world does, but still from public information about these fighters they seem impressive, but again who knows what's true.. i don't think we know as much as we think about the f22 and f35 either.

@@ahmed-alnoor I generally agree, but we have to factor in Naval assets that would be on the coast as well as SAMs as he only used really low range SAMs to make it fare. Then again Naval crafts would probably be wrapped up fighting other Naval crafts.

Me too but I don't think the Flanker will be beaten, there's just too many