20-year "Chalkgate" feud between Stephen Maguire and Shaun Murphy EXPLAINED 🎱

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Eurosport Snooker

Eurosport Snooker

Ай бұрын

What 𝙞𝙨 "Chalkgate"? And why did it lead to a 20-year feud between Stephen Maguire and Shaun Murphy?
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@odiums_taint
@odiums_taint Ай бұрын
‘explained’ is a bit of an overstatement
@gordoncockfield
@gordoncockfield Ай бұрын
Need Slash if you want stuff explaining
@TheRocco96
@TheRocco96 Ай бұрын
I still don't know what chalkgate means.
@flanj1
@flanj1 Ай бұрын
Im none the frikkin wiser​@@TheRocco96
@threegenders201
@threegenders201 Ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@brocktonblockbuster6555
@brocktonblockbuster6555 28 күн бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@williamcallaghan2023
@williamcallaghan2023 Ай бұрын
At the time, Steve Davis described it as the 'saddest act of sportsmanship' that he had ever witnessed, that to me says it all
@natsudragnir4131
@natsudragnir4131 Ай бұрын
I didn't understand explanation, could you explain please what happened
@jensclarberg6419
@jensclarberg6419 Ай бұрын
@@natsudragnir4131 Stephen forgot his chalk, Shaun at the very least didn't insist to give time to Stephen to get it and thus he got docked a frame for time wasting.
@digeme69
@digeme69 Ай бұрын
@@natsudragnir4131 Murphy said to the referee "Is he not ready to play"? Strictly speaking he wasn't therefore he was docked a frame
@richuk69
@richuk69 Ай бұрын
Still killing the dude for a mistake he made 20 years ago! He shouldn't have accepted the frame he knows that and he hasn't done it since
@lew115
@lew115 Ай бұрын
@@richuk69 still denies it, even though everyone knows the truth.
@chrisdcunha502
@chrisdcunha502 Ай бұрын
Good to hear Alans angle on this situation....
@Robc--jd6yh
@Robc--jd6yh Ай бұрын
He’s great mates with Stephen
@midnightsamurai5893
@midnightsamurai5893 Ай бұрын
Ba boom
@francissmith6447
@francissmith6447 Ай бұрын
Ba doom bum tshh
@bobreed250
@bobreed250 Ай бұрын
I see what you did there
@TC2290-wh5cb
@TC2290-wh5cb Ай бұрын
Sounds like an Partridge idea, Alan's Angles.
@johnmcfarlane748
@johnmcfarlane748 Ай бұрын
as rod stewart once said 'i dont want to chalk about it'
@terrydonegan1622
@terrydonegan1622 Ай бұрын
Very good 😅😅😅
@Jojikiba
@Jojikiba Ай бұрын
Maguire should have walked back in and sung, à la Stewart, "Do ya think I'm chalky?"
@jensclarberg6419
@jensclarberg6419 Ай бұрын
@@Jojikiba Not the best
@sonicdiablo8968
@sonicdiablo8968 Ай бұрын
brilliant
@lew115
@lew115 Ай бұрын
Talk, not chalk.....made a fool of yourself there.
@huna1950
@huna1950 Ай бұрын
As I occasionally remind myself- overly nice guys are a little less so and the pantomime villain is less villainous too
@shaggyalonso
@shaggyalonso Ай бұрын
Without knowing all sides of the story, this is my gut feeling as well.
@Essydyk
@Essydyk Ай бұрын
Always beware the nice guys and gals. There's always "another" side to them.
@deputyvanhalen6386
@deputyvanhalen6386 Ай бұрын
​@@Essydyk Apart from Jesus of course!😮 Oh and FREEEEEEEE PALISTINE!
@BarryRerack147
@BarryRerack147 Ай бұрын
​@deputyvanhalen6386 I don't know about that, he was scuttling that prostitute for ages
@speedy692
@speedy692 28 күн бұрын
@@Essydyk Yes. I've always said that. People that are 'overly nice' are hiding something.
@Hurricane59
@Hurricane59 Ай бұрын
There’s a reason why Shaun Murphy is despised by most pros. The school snitch
@johnlivingstone3483
@johnlivingstone3483 Ай бұрын
I'm sure the rest of the BBC commentary team don't like him either!.
@Essydyk
@Essydyk Ай бұрын
In the grand scheme of things I don't think it really matters. I mean it doesn't seem to have any effect of Ronnie O'Sullivan who is the very definition of an oddball.
@TC2290-wh5cb
@TC2290-wh5cb Ай бұрын
Most players don't like Ronnie either, it doesn't matter.
@highwaytohelles4561
@highwaytohelles4561 Ай бұрын
@@TC2290-wh5cb That is very different. Ronnie is universally respected. Ronnie is the kind of guy who just wants to be left alone and do his thing, which is why he comes off as weird and even arrogant. He doesn't really care what others think about him. Shaun on the other hand desperately wants recognition. He does care what others think about him, which ironically makes him behave in a way that hardly anyone really likes him.
@TC2290-wh5cb
@TC2290-wh5cb Ай бұрын
@@highwaytohelles4561 Either way, pros don't like either of them.
@McGovP
@McGovP Ай бұрын
Alan has a short memory. He accepted Tony Drago's frame and match concession in the German Masters after a missing a pink. Drago then tried to withdraw the concession but McManus wouldn't let him.
@itnaklipse1669
@itnaklipse1669 Ай бұрын
that's not nice but it's also not a forgotten chalk
@jabronni16
@jabronni16 Ай бұрын
He shook hands and conceded. What do you expect McManus to do?
@da_great_mogul
@da_great_mogul Ай бұрын
I made this point as well but in that case, McManus was cold and didn't wish to jeer himself up for what would have been a simple shot at the best of times but hard when you know you should not have to play it as the match was over.
@stevieM-hv1id
@stevieM-hv1id Ай бұрын
@@jabronni16 when you concede at snooker its game over that is part of the rules
@jabronni16
@jabronni16 Ай бұрын
@@stevieM-hv1id I think you meant to address the OP. That's what I meant in my note.
@bigjohn1717
@bigjohn1717 Ай бұрын
Mcmanus accepted dragos early handshake when he thought the frame was over... Then drago realized his mistake and hit himself repeatedly. Mcmanus telling fibs here that he would have done that.
@nickedmondson1583
@nickedmondson1583 Ай бұрын
that is 100% spot on, he's forgot about that one, (funnily enough)....
@AdamPembrey
@AdamPembrey Ай бұрын
Somewhere there is actually footage of it. A best of type montage for that year, you can see him say to the ref ‘he’s supposed to be ready to play’
@davesouthword1298
@davesouthword1298 Ай бұрын
Yes, I remember seeing a clip somewhere. I thought he said, “You have to award me the frame” at some point too.
@211bEanS112
@211bEanS112 Ай бұрын
@@davesouthword1298 Any idea where to find it? I'm searching the web but not having any luck
@faceman1477
@faceman1477 Ай бұрын
You are right! Snooker Grand Prix Top 25 moments. I do not not know how to share the link, but it's right at the start of the clip!
@faceman1477
@faceman1477 Ай бұрын
And Maquire won the match 5-2!
@tommysmith5479
@tommysmith5479 Ай бұрын
@@faceman1477 It's not difficult... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rcB7ebeamMezo5s.html
@deputyvanhalen6386
@deputyvanhalen6386 Ай бұрын
Id love it if Maguire turned to Murphy in this World Champioship game 2024 today and said to him..."oh no i forgot my chalk in my room!"😮😮😮😮😮
@rikgay857
@rikgay857 Ай бұрын
Nice one Alan..
@smith077906
@smith077906 Ай бұрын
Maguire won that match & has a great record against Murphy because of that incident.
@tonberrykinged
@tonberrykinged 18 күн бұрын
He seems to play well when angry!
@slippyg
@slippyg Ай бұрын
Ask Tony if you'd forfeit a frame Alan...
@anthonyj777
@anthonyj777 Ай бұрын
Yea, that's rich coming from Alan.
@Correction294
@Correction294 Ай бұрын
Completely different scenario. Tony conceded the frame.
@y2kazan868
@y2kazan868 Ай бұрын
@@Correction294right but the referee tuned to Alan considering a reversal. Shattttapppp.
@Essydyk
@Essydyk Ай бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a81-aamcxLi3ZWg.htmlsi=6hwwCyrvJnAE5sgG
@iSLAM.IS.A.CULT1
@iSLAM.IS.A.CULT1 Ай бұрын
@@anthonyj777 thats poor coming from you a w-nker on YT so eo
@dannymccrae3070
@dannymccrae3070 Ай бұрын
Funnily enough Tom Ford forgot his chalk today, someone just went and got it for him and Judd just laughed And who was on the other table? Shaun Murphy and Stephen Maguire.
@TearTheRoof0ff
@TearTheRoof0ff Ай бұрын
LOL
@itsgettingdark1134
@itsgettingdark1134 Ай бұрын
Unbelievable how some things go full rotation. What are the chances of that
@digeme69
@digeme69 Ай бұрын
Bill Werbeniuk also forgot his in his 1985 WC match with Joe Johnson at the start of the 2nd session. Johnson was about to break off and Bill realised he had no chalk. They waited until some was brought out and then started the game.
@ktheng9485
@ktheng9485 Ай бұрын
It was no coincidence. Tom did that on purpose knowing Shaun and Stephen playing on the other side😅😅 Tom is a good and funny lad. You see when he self snooked himself and gave the thumbs 👍 😂
@lew115
@lew115 Ай бұрын
@@itsgettingdark1134 literally a billion to one
@retrogamer3907
@retrogamer3907 Ай бұрын
Wow wow. Great video 👏👏 But, what happened..
@TheFinalRevelation2
@TheFinalRevelation2 Ай бұрын
Murphy has all the "qualities" of a politician
@dafergy
@dafergy Ай бұрын
Well he does look like David Cameron.
@Play-gl2yw
@Play-gl2yw Ай бұрын
He’s a c
@roadtonowhere497
@roadtonowhere497 Ай бұрын
I agree,a company man. But a brilliantly talented player. It's like he gives up being the best player he could be for being an average administrator
@dc-collectible
@dc-collectible Ай бұрын
Shaun "The Politican" Murphy has a ring to it
@camouflage873
@camouflage873 29 күн бұрын
He's the self styled World Snooker Ambassador
@TheFootyskillz
@TheFootyskillz Ай бұрын
Playing in a town team match years ago, my opponent mid frame took himself off to the toilet whilst I was at the table, when it was his visit the ref looked round and said where is he....when someone told him he had gone to the toilet the ref swiftly picked up the white ball and said frame to me....he should have asked me.
@mbucd
@mbucd 24 күн бұрын
He could have warned him not to do it again, that was severe
@J-zb6zy
@J-zb6zy Ай бұрын
Is the same Alan McManus who accepted Tony Drago's ludicrous concession when he could have easily reversed it? I think Alan speaketh with forked tongue.
@y2kazan868
@y2kazan868 Ай бұрын
Ooooooo how did I forget about that!
@VoiceOfThe
@VoiceOfThe Ай бұрын
Tell us more?
@amac1657
@amac1657 Ай бұрын
Tony concedes and doesn’t notice there’s still enough points on the table to win the frame. The ref tells Tony and then he looks at Alan and he says nothing and accepts Tony conceding. Tony then slaps his own face a few times in frustration . Think it might have been a qualifier for the German masters ?
@noelmadden1920
@noelmadden1920 Ай бұрын
Tony was acting deranged. Alan was right to not continue for his own safety.
@chembleton
@chembleton Ай бұрын
@@VoiceOfThe there's a video on here, search for "Tony Drago goes mad. German Masters Q v Alan McManus" and watch from 4m 40s
@MacakMacanovic
@MacakMacanovic Ай бұрын
You did the similar thing against Tony Drago, Alan...
@leedsboy64
@leedsboy64 Ай бұрын
true
@gurdeepchumber2764
@gurdeepchumber2764 Ай бұрын
Lol
@paulmallon9292
@paulmallon9292 Ай бұрын
Was just about to say that. It's on KZfaq for anyone to watch
@iain8837
@iain8837 Ай бұрын
“Similar” is stretching it just a bit!
@paulmallon9292
@paulmallon9292 Ай бұрын
@@iain8837 same principle. He could have looked at Drago's error and said let's carry on. Ref asked him was he happy to accept the concession even though Drago clearly stated it was in error as he thought he couldn't win, and he accepted. It's not very different and it's the same basic principle of taking a frame that he didn't really have to.
@leecooper3729
@leecooper3729 Ай бұрын
20 second advert to watch an 80 second video that explained nothing
@nottmuk22
@nottmuk22 Ай бұрын
True but you could also try "Adblock for KZfaq" like many of us do unless we are watching a content creator that deserves the AD revenue (not a hate comment :) )
@jean-pierretilquin7827
@jean-pierretilquin7827 Ай бұрын
Use FIrefox and Ublock Origin to block advert.
@lew115
@lew115 Ай бұрын
loser.......can't afford premium? ha ha
@TheRocco96
@TheRocco96 Ай бұрын
Use Brave browser.
@jayjeffrey1046
@jayjeffrey1046 25 күн бұрын
He went around the angles with that
@saadabbas7282
@saadabbas7282 Ай бұрын
mcmanus took or was "complicit" in taking a frame from tony drago that seemed unfair and i i thought was out of order when i watched it at the time . do not remember exact match but quite similar to what he's giving an opinion on
@garystephenson1618
@garystephenson1618 Ай бұрын
Murphy always reminds me of beaker from the muppet show
@PNEfc001
@PNEfc001 Ай бұрын
Hahahahaaaa
@louiem2
@louiem2 Ай бұрын
and Shaun Murphy wonders why people do not like him...
@Gaeton_Dugas
@Gaeton_Dugas Ай бұрын
I like Sean Murphy, like millions of others
@casbyness
@casbyness Ай бұрын
@@Gaeton_Dugas We all know that's you, Shaun. :)
@GagzoD82
@GagzoD82 Ай бұрын
This is the 1st I’ve ever heard this story and it hasn’t changed my mind about Shaun 1 bit….I still can’t stand him
@davidmarchant9386
@davidmarchant9386 Ай бұрын
Never liked him one bit even before chalk gate
@louiem2
@louiem2 Ай бұрын
@@davidmarchant9386 He's always come across a bit smug hasn't he
@martinahardaker8739
@martinahardaker8739 Ай бұрын
Things do happen, the Ref calls foul and the player at the table sometimes asks the other player, who is seated, to give his say but the point is the Ref makes the decisions - not the players.
@underneonloneliness2
@underneonloneliness2 Ай бұрын
Why is there no footage of this “Chalkgate” on KZfaq or anywhere else? You’d think they’d post the video so we can all see it.
@Flackbox
@Flackbox Ай бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rcB7ebeamMezo5s.html
@PNEfc001
@PNEfc001 Ай бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rcB7ebeamMezo5s.html&si=p7ZV93BoL-E6kOIP
@mrlesta
@mrlesta Ай бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rcB7ebeamMezo5s.htmlsi=A5KJY4saIyCBx2gr
@mbucd
@mbucd 24 күн бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rcB7ebeamMezo5s.html Start of the video
@y2kazan868
@y2kazan868 Ай бұрын
Alan McManus do you remember when Drago conceded the frame between you too not giving the scoreboard a good look, and turned to you looking for a reversal? Mr Righteous ok🤣🤣. We still love you Alan.
@reallymakesyouthink
@reallymakesyouthink Ай бұрын
Thing is though it doesn't matter what Shawn said. The ref is the one that makes the decision.
@VoiceOfThe
@VoiceOfThe Ай бұрын
‘Both referenced it this week’ When? What have they both said about it?
@bazzadufc
@bazzadufc Ай бұрын
Also lits not forget that Murphy was the only player who voted against freezing Paul hunters ranking points after he passed away
@mrlesta
@mrlesta Ай бұрын
WHAT !!
@Richard_Straker
@Richard_Straker Ай бұрын
There's no evidence of that.
@denisbuckley4352
@denisbuckley4352 Ай бұрын
Shaun Murphy is not a nice guy don't be fooled by his "nicey nice" attitude in front of the camera he showed his True Colour when he bashed that amateur for beating him a few years ago
@aledwards6119
@aledwards6119 Ай бұрын
Professionals bring what they need before starting play. If A Formula 1 driver drives to the starting line and forgot his helmet can he just park and go get it? Could he have asked Murphy if he would allow him to go get the chalk? If Shaun said no then Stephen could ask to borrow Shaun's until he gets his own. Can the ref allow Stephen the time necessary to get the chalk?
@sean6977
@sean6977 Ай бұрын
A helmet is hard to miss or forget lol. A piece of chalk is the last thing a player is worrying over. I guess your are the almighty and never done anything wrong or forget something.
@mrlesta
@mrlesta Ай бұрын
stephen asked the ref and the ref gave him all clear to go and fetch it
@TheJohnCooperShow
@TheJohnCooperShow Ай бұрын
Alan, you refused to give Tony Drago the benefit of the doubt in an important qualifier match where he made an error which the ref asked if you’d not allow , to which you sneakily said “aye” in an ambiguous way to make it sound like you were being kind but actually showing no mercy to Tony
@mmaphilosophy
@mmaphilosophy Ай бұрын
That's not true though. You're just assuming.
@TheJohnCooperShow
@TheJohnCooperShow Ай бұрын
@@mmaphilosophy I watched it
@paninipanini
@paninipanini Ай бұрын
​@@mmaphilosophyit's 100% true. It was filmed, easy to find.
@mauriciocorona5507
@mauriciocorona5507 Ай бұрын
Alan Dickmanus
@manephewlenny6401
@manephewlenny6401 Ай бұрын
@@paninipanini that's right and tony drago went mad and started punching himself in the head.
@flobbingdonkey
@flobbingdonkey Ай бұрын
I think "complicit" is maybe too harsh a word for it. Arguably he should have told the referee not to do it. But all the ref did was presumably apply a rule. And a pretty stupid one at that. And Shaun just deferred to the refs opinion.
@leemichael736
@leemichael736 Ай бұрын
I am a neutral fan from Asia. It seemed to me that the referee played a crucial role in this accident. He should have thought about the decision and turned it around if it was not made by him. For me, forgetting to bring chalk was not a clear act of not ready for game. Snooker is a sport with emphasis on sportsmanship, so asking for the rule of game seemed making a fuss to me. Stephen had the right to be furious.
@davesouthword1298
@davesouthword1298 Ай бұрын
I didn’t like it at the time, and it coloured my opinion of Shaun for a good while, but it’s his job and that’s the rule. Even if he is asking, and I think he did from hazy memory of seeing a clip, he wins a frame which might help win a match - ranking points, money, TV time. It’s his livelihood. I know snooker is held to a higher standard, but footballers try to cheat by diving and that malarkey all the time, which is far worse, Stephen wasn’t cheating.
@EstadioLive
@EstadioLive Ай бұрын
Is there no footage?
@Flackbox
@Flackbox Ай бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rcB7ebeamMezo5s.html
@mrlesta
@mrlesta Ай бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rcB7ebeamMezo5s.htmlsi=A5KJY4saIyCBx2gr
@korgscrew2000
@korgscrew2000 29 күн бұрын
I'm just as confused as I was before I watched this video.
@footbru
@footbru Ай бұрын
Lol I was thinking about chalk yesterday - anyone else noticed the total absence of "kicks" that were blamed on chalk?
@spacebory
@spacebory Ай бұрын
Because of thew new chalk that's been coming through, the circle chalk (cant remember the name) almost completely stops kicks but its extremely expensive for the the average club player (like 20 quid for one piece of chalk)
@eugenekelly8992
@eugenekelly8992 Ай бұрын
Maybe Shaun was right!! They’re supposed to be professionals
@andrewlau777
@andrewlau777 Ай бұрын
Can someone explain to me what the situation is? Don’t understand it.
@BC-79
@BC-79 Ай бұрын
Maguire forgot his chalk and had to go backstage for it , the match was therefore late and maguire was docked a frame. The controversy is that Murphy asked the referee to dock the frame , the ref did it, I guess it was letter of the law , which Shaun pointed out and accepted the frame
@BC-79
@BC-79 Ай бұрын
Probably worth mentioning that Shaun does now deny he asked for the frame, maguire says he knows and Shaun knows he did
@simonlacey9208
@simonlacey9208 Ай бұрын
"EXPLAINED" wasn't particularly accurate :) Stephen forgot his chalk, left to collect it, and was then penalised a frame for starting the match late. Stephen believes Shaun asked the ref to penalise him, Shaun doesn't admit to that.
@BC-79
@BC-79 Ай бұрын
@@simonlacey9208 piss off Simon
@harrys1505
@harrys1505 Ай бұрын
Watch the video you muppet.
@Lionfire1
@Lionfire1 Ай бұрын
If I remember correctly, Shaun asked for some form of punishment.
@stuartcarden1371
@stuartcarden1371 Ай бұрын
That's how I remember it too
@Tenmented
@Tenmented Ай бұрын
Yep he did and it don't surprise me in the slightest
@jensclarberg6419
@jensclarberg6419 Ай бұрын
Indeed
@realeyesrealisereallies97
@realeyesrealisereallies97 Ай бұрын
Proper jobsworth
@MrJayscinema
@MrJayscinema Ай бұрын
I still don’t understand what happened 😂
@joe2grand
@joe2grand Ай бұрын
if he had of broken off and then immediately conceded then im pretty sure that would be deemed 'unsporting behaviour' and Murphy would then be penalised
@itnaklipse1669
@itnaklipse1669 Ай бұрын
or not
@colinmitchell6872
@colinmitchell6872 Ай бұрын
Free Ball Question: Happen for first time of 40 years playing snooker last night. I have a free ball. Blue, pink and black left. I was snookered on the blue behind the pink. I tried to get a better snooker behind the black but made a mess of the attempt and unintentionally snookered my opponent behind the pink (object of my free ball). Is this now an illegal shot and foul by me, even though I layed an unintentional snooker behind the ball I chose as my free ball. Neither me or my oponent have had this before so were not sure how to proceed. I suggested a replacement of the balls (like miss rule) but my opponent agreed as the snooker layed was unintentional we should continue with him attempting to get out of the snooker he was now faced with. He failed in this attempt and I then potted blue to secure the frame (and pink and black). This was a friendly with my uncle, not a league match. Any refs out there know this rule? TIA.
@eduardciuca217
@eduardciuca217 Ай бұрын
in this case, you lose the game unfortunately
@colinmitchell6872
@colinmitchell6872 Ай бұрын
@@eduardciuca217 can you expand on that please. We decided together and agreed on a way forward as this had never happened before. It was only a friendly game anyway nothing riding on it 😊
@eduardciuca217
@eduardciuca217 Ай бұрын
@@colinmitchell6872 only joking mate !
@eduardciuca217
@eduardciuca217 Ай бұрын
But the situation is rare indeed...idk what rule we can apply....
@colinmitchell6872
@colinmitchell6872 Ай бұрын
@@eduardciuca217 went right over my head that one 😂
@johngreenhorn8853
@johngreenhorn8853 Ай бұрын
I actually thought Murphy was a decent guy and i like him as a pundit,but i personally would honestly rather lose a match than do what Murphy did to Maguire.
@adrodog17
@adrodog17 Ай бұрын
Thats the most Shaun Murphy thing ive ever heard 🤣
@reds005
@reds005 Ай бұрын
Apart from his walk on music
@stefancent7052
@stefancent7052 29 күн бұрын
i have been watching snooker for almost 40 years and am totally befuddled by Alan's 'explanation'. Started off with something about chalk - and then just got lost. Can someone explain? Even Jimmy White looked confused.
@robertgiacomo2655
@robertgiacomo2655 Ай бұрын
You took an easy concession from Drago who was confused at what he had done. Used to like Mcmanus
@YTguySmithy-lk6go
@YTguySmithy-lk6go 27 күн бұрын
Surely if the rules allow the referee to award a frame to your opponent if you arrive at the match without a chalk, its Stephen Maguire's fault. It's not Shaun Murphy's fault for wanting the rule to be enforced. Personally, it seems a very harsh rule but if that's the rule that's the rule.
@J-zb6zy
@J-zb6zy Ай бұрын
Although Alan McManus should have reversed the concession, it is highly likely that he would have potted the blue if he had carried on. Not as egregious as what Shaun Murphy did.
@bufferbridge
@bufferbridge 26 күн бұрын
Remember this episode, wouldn't piss over Murphy if he was on fire after this
@ju.snooker
@ju.snooker Ай бұрын
Shaun tells the story of this on his podcast that came out yesterday. he said it was Mike Ganley who docked Maguire a frame - not him or the referee. He asked the referee about the rules when Maguire left to retrieve his chalk he says but says he did not request that Maguire was docked a frame.
@user-cw5qp7ty9t
@user-cw5qp7ty9t Ай бұрын
Where is the podcast ?
@thesaint5619
@thesaint5619 Ай бұрын
Like Alan said though he could of break off and conceded the following frame best of 7
@gordoncockfield
@gordoncockfield Ай бұрын
​@@thesaint5619or Maguire could remember his chalk or play a frame without it.
@thesaint5619
@thesaint5619 Ай бұрын
@@gordoncockfield it's impossible to play a frame without chalk at Pro level
@gordoncockfield
@gordoncockfield Ай бұрын
@@thesaint5619 no it's not. You'd miscue all over the place but you can do it.
@jimwhite1756
@jimwhite1756 Ай бұрын
This has been debated for over 20 years....but no one ever bother asking the ref what happened. Murphy's personality makes it hard to believe him in this scenario.
@cocoomalov3r
@cocoomalov3r Ай бұрын
the ref passed away years ago
@shaggyalonso
@shaggyalonso Ай бұрын
Who's hard to believe, Murphy or McManus? I'll be honest, as well as Murphy comes across, he has an air of sanctimony about him that rubs me up the wrong way and I can well believe his character isn't as pristine as he likes to portray.
@darrenwilliams118
@darrenwilliams118 Ай бұрын
​@@shaggyalonsoAgreed. When asked who I want to win a match I reply ABM, Anyone But Murphy.
@lew115
@lew115 Ай бұрын
@@darrenwilliams118 first class comedy there, boy. You're mum enjoys ABM too (anus before mouth)
@casbyness
@casbyness Ай бұрын
@@shaggyalonso That's Shaun's whole deal. He rubs everyone the wrong way. At one point in his life, he was ostracised by BOTH his parents. Imagine being so dislikable that your own parents won't speak to you for a few years. Oh, and his dad was on the world snooker board, so he even had the 'son of the boss' thing going on for a while, making him even less popular.
@danedward4255
@danedward4255 Ай бұрын
All shaun has to do to end this is at the start of a match vs maguire leave his chalk behind then they are square
@EnriqueIglesiasBG
@EnriqueIglesiasBG Ай бұрын
Didn't understand anything. What happened?
@TheBurnerKing
@TheBurnerKing Ай бұрын
Well that explains everything 😬
@phil8528
@phil8528 Ай бұрын
That was an explanation? I knew more about what happened before watching this video.
@Steven-ze2zk
@Steven-ze2zk Ай бұрын
lol
@guywebster8505
@guywebster8505 Ай бұрын
So can someone explain is "idiot" terms because I'm a bit unknowledge when it comes to snooker rules in the high ranking events.. Are they saying Sean murphy is basically being a bit unsportsmanlike or unfair for basically being awarded a frame because Stephen Maguire needed to go get some chalk? Do you have concede a frame if you leave the table once arrived? I'm not normally this thick, i promise 😔😔
@John-tz2tx
@John-tz2tx Ай бұрын
First I had heard of it.
@TheFinalRevelation2
@TheFinalRevelation2 Ай бұрын
I won't be surprised is Mr Murphy ends up as a successful politician after snooker.
@brocktonblockbuster6555
@brocktonblockbuster6555 28 күн бұрын
That’s cleared that up then. Sorted 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@theTruthLifeNWay
@theTruthLifeNWay Ай бұрын
Aerosmith had a song about this "Chalk This Way"
@user-ii4sk3zy6b
@user-ii4sk3zy6b Ай бұрын
😂😂
@BarryRerack147
@BarryRerack147 Ай бұрын
You should be in prison
@nostalgiachannel318
@nostalgiachannel318 Ай бұрын
Where does Alan McManus get the gall. I remember he once accepted a frame from Tony Drago when Drago conceded by mistake and the referee gave him the opportunity to let Drago carry on Drago said it would be unfair on McManus to rescind now they had already shook hands. The referee gave Alan the chance to let Drago rescind and Alan went know I'm happy to accept the concession. Oh and it wasn't the first frame it was the last. Yet here he says he would have given up a frame. This guy gets my goat
@nostalgiachannel318
@nostalgiachannel318 Ай бұрын
Just read the comments glad to see other people remember this guys hypocrisy
@steveh572
@steveh572 Ай бұрын
‘Complicit’ is a bit strong.
@terrydonegan1622
@terrydonegan1622 Ай бұрын
Im board with all this talk of Chalk😅.
@goofe.washington953
@goofe.washington953 Ай бұрын
@Stay away from anyone with a hammer and nails, then
@Essydyk
@Essydyk Ай бұрын
McManus easily the best snooker pundit on TV at present. He very rarely misses the mark. Some might say he is wasted on Eurosport but others would likely argue that is the reason they tune in to their coverage. Funnily enough I think Murphy is probably the next best pundit in the game and will likely be front ant centre of any upcoming BBC coverage moving forward. He will be their golden boy once he retires.
@TheJohnCooperShow
@TheJohnCooperShow Ай бұрын
**Neil Foulds entered the chat**
@yesdcotchin
@yesdcotchin Ай бұрын
Maybe he's a decent pundit, haven't decided my opinion there, but I hate him in comms. Talks too much. May learn to calm that down with experience. Here's hoping.
@user-ii4sk3zy6b
@user-ii4sk3zy6b Ай бұрын
God I hope not 😢
@raymondliu2056
@raymondliu2056 Ай бұрын
I'm a bit surprised by how people disliked the way Shaun reacted to the incident. I'll assume Shaun only complained about the delay in play caused by forgetting the chalk and him not suggesting any punishment for Maguire first. I find it ok to complain, because it kept Shaun waiting in his seat, even though probably not for long, but it did waste his time. Ronnie Osullivan could have complained in that situation given how high demanding to everything during a match. And just because Maguire was docked a frame, Shaun needs to show sportsmanship by forfeiting a frame? Come on, it's not shaun's fault. Im sure many other atheletes in individual sports would take advantage of any mistakes caused by referee/umpire. you can praise Shaun for showing good sportsmanship for forfeiting a frame, but he's got no responsibility whatsoever to take care of consequences given to his opponent. Why not took full advantage of that, just like Alan the Angle did to Tony Drago?
@mrlesta
@mrlesta Ай бұрын
Not in snooker. its a gentlemans game . players always call out themselves if they commit the slightest of fouls on the table. This incident is off the table and very ungentlemanly.
@superwario2741
@superwario2741 Ай бұрын
Not very believable that Alan would concede a frame after the Tony Drago situation
@shauncorless8965
@shauncorless8965 Ай бұрын
If anyone, s a stickler for the rules its Murphy ,,,😅
@TheStefmcd
@TheStefmcd Ай бұрын
Snidey thing to do. Bad sportsmanship. For a 15 second delay to get chalk?!
@birdszed
@birdszed Ай бұрын
Need Steven Hendry to ask him on his show
@dugdugi2296
@dugdugi2296 29 күн бұрын
I understood 23% of it.
@neilkinsella8753
@neilkinsella8753 Ай бұрын
Terrible explanation. I still don’t know what happened
@schoud146
@schoud146 Ай бұрын
Mr Tumble
@casbyness
@casbyness Ай бұрын
People tend to miss the point on this topic. The issue isn't just what Shaun did, but that he has - to this day - denied that he did it. Despite his words to the ref being captured on film and shown as part of an apparently lost highlight reel, back at the time. There's always someone in every workplace who acts all sactimonious and arrogant, whilst simultaneously doing saying and terrible things to everyone else. Shaun's simply snooker's designated bellend.
@BarryRerack147
@BarryRerack147 Ай бұрын
Murphy wasn't bullied enough
@user-by2dz4ms2n
@user-by2dz4ms2n Ай бұрын
Murphy is the sort of bloke who would claim.the match if you wee a minute late in the local snooker league
@danthemanwhocancan5263
@danthemanwhocancan5263 Ай бұрын
Anybody remember Chalk McCue the Scottish player from the early 80s?
@rubberknob5587
@rubberknob5587 Ай бұрын
Was he related to Angus mcoatup?
@MobPlot
@MobPlot Ай бұрын
Alan is entirely right. That’s what Murphy should’ve done. He needs to understand that not doing so is why people view this instance so poorly.
@TheFinalRevelation2
@TheFinalRevelation2 Ай бұрын
He doesn't seem to bother the words people use for him
@pantalons6969
@pantalons6969 Ай бұрын
Seems crazy that you lose/forfeit a frame just for forgetting your chalk.
@mbucd
@mbucd 24 күн бұрын
Murphy chalks this one up to inexperience
@lallyoisin
@lallyoisin Ай бұрын
Maybe they should chalk about it. 😂😂
@slippyg
@slippyg Ай бұрын
Should just chalk it off as a bad experience
@harrys1505
@harrys1505 Ай бұрын
I bet everyone gets a 'kick' out of talking about it.
@lallyoisin
@lallyoisin Ай бұрын
@@slippyg right on cue slippy. That's not a bad tip! 🤣
@lallyoisin
@lallyoisin Ай бұрын
@@harrys1505 give it a rest - you'll have to 'leave the table' too many pundits here!
@paulmallon9292
@paulmallon9292 Ай бұрын
The lads would balk at the notion of just talking the situation out...... I'll get me coat.
@ryanyates6761
@ryanyates6761 Ай бұрын
and thats far from the worst thing shauns done, looking back on his personal life..
@philllesta6426
@philllesta6426 Ай бұрын
Omg waaa... You can't be serious! 😮😮😮😮
@anthonyfoulkes1868
@anthonyfoulkes1868 Ай бұрын
Murphy has always been a total self righteous bloke and no morals! always poor me with him!
@davidfelix2594
@davidfelix2594 Ай бұрын
Yes Alan, i'm not defending Murphy here but do you remember this? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e9Z-lZWnnbicpaM.html You was quite happy to take that concession....
@ToleVerban
@ToleVerban Ай бұрын
Murphy has done and said so many despicable things, but walks around with such hubris.
@wherzmafone
@wherzmafone Ай бұрын
If I am a professional player trying to make a living, I am having that frame thank you very much and would be hiding other players chalk continuously!
@wrcoles
@wrcoles 29 күн бұрын
If you want to see how self-righteous Alan McManus is, look up the video where he plays Tony Drago who accidentally conceded the match and Alan accepts the concession. Also hilarious video because Tony Drago slaps himself silly
@pelcenglishcourses1841
@pelcenglishcourses1841 Ай бұрын
Alan right to stick up for his mate. Selby and Murphy - two non-sportsmen.
@elmondo3543
@elmondo3543 Ай бұрын
Selby?? How so
@williambremner9022
@williambremner9022 Ай бұрын
Why do you say that about Selby?
@bf3595
@bf3595 Ай бұрын
He said to the Ref. Who's he trying to fool.
@Crashawsome
@Crashawsome Ай бұрын
Stephen went to get chalk, and then Shaun accepted a frame? What a horrible explanation
@kopthelotklopp1523
@kopthelotklopp1523 Ай бұрын
I never knew this. Isnt murohy quite religious? Youd think hed forgive and let this slide rather than hold a grudge?
@TonyMontana-zl8pz
@TonyMontana-zl8pz Ай бұрын
Always new something off about Murphy
@highwaytohelles4561
@highwaytohelles4561 Ай бұрын
Sideshow Bob presenting Snooker. Now I've seen everything.
@smarterproperty6378
@smarterproperty6378 Ай бұрын
He should be locked up and never released. Monster.
@Richard-st8ds
@Richard-st8ds Ай бұрын
In other words Mr Tumble a Prat 😂
@mabbrey
@mabbrey Ай бұрын
Shaun was just being Shaun no Biggy just sticking too rules
@agfi88
@agfi88 Ай бұрын
Murphy's mask slipped that day
@malango255
@malango255 Ай бұрын
my god shaun........ thats really lowered what i thought about you..
@TheFinalRevelation2
@TheFinalRevelation2 Ай бұрын
You must be the last person who ever thought high of that snobbish school bully
@johngreenhorn8853
@johngreenhorn8853 Ай бұрын
So they don't chalk to each other anymore.
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