200% Vs 20,000% Magic Find | Diablo 2 Resurrected

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Күн бұрын

Here I am, answering the questions that no one was asking. The premise is in 100 runs of 200% and 100 runs of 20,000%. How big is the drop chance gap between the 2? Is magic find over rated? Does it eventually diminish into no gains or infinitely go up? These are the questions I wanted to know. Each 100 runs took me approximately 4 hours to complete. The 200% was completed online. Both are players 1 only and only running Chaos Sanctuary. Terror zones were not allowed. If you want any of the online gear I found, I'll happily give it away.
I know this video has a long intro but I needed to go over a lot of things. If you only want the data and findings check links below.
Intro 0:00
200% Magic Find Runs 6:44
Infector Spawn 9:16
Item recap of 100 runs 9:32
20,000% MF Runs 9:38
20,000% Gear rundown 13:47
Numbers Breakdown and Conclusion 14:33

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@fabioc.9682 10 күн бұрын

I am actually impressed with the increase in unique drops.. I mean, for a 100 run comparison it doesn't look like a lot, but if we account for extended runs and overall gameplay during days and days that really scales up to substantial amounts of unique/set/rare drops and potentially some GGs. keep up the good work bro!

@Thomas-bp1ti Ай бұрын

Solid video, thank you for the insight on the Mf spectrum!

@unpaidintern5331 Ай бұрын

completed a grail a few years back, and I shit you not, the last item I needed was the bloody skull collector and while it was the last one left it took ages to find... found several griffons before that... RNG giveth and RNG taketh.

@AdeptusSteve Ай бұрын

Nice stuff, would be great if you also had done a 0% run for base value.

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

I thought that initially but figured no one is magic finding with zero mf gear. But for the sake of a base value you're right, I probably should have just included it.

@joelleet554 Ай бұрын

wouldn't mind having a couple of those 926% MF charms lol But yes, the MF gain really falls off the further you go, each additional % less effective than the last until it's basically flatlined.

@AndersFisker Ай бұрын

Excellent vid! Did you ever rid yourself of the Shako? :)

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

Surprisingly I still have the Shako, harder to give away than i thought haha. I guess non ladder people have most things already. It's yours if you need it

@JR-sz7dw 19 күн бұрын

These videos have been done soooooo much on a 20+ year old game. Good luck man.

@GibsnRage Ай бұрын

This channel requires more subscribers based solely on the name of it alone.

@johnnyfletcher1961 9 күн бұрын

I’m from the past and the gul or gull. I can’t remember was always top tier in magic finding lol. Ahhhh. The good ole days.

@xidjazulix Ай бұрын

Did this with hero editor back in the day offline and essentially every item that has a unique drops a unique. the way the game works is it looks at table for loot, picks items from that table, then checks MF, then rolls item rarity based on MF. if you have infinite MF, all items that can drop unique, do.

@salownsu123 23 күн бұрын

And that is why people on classic would stop at around 100-150% mf because we were chasing rares.

@talictdf4757 19 күн бұрын

Not true, first of all magic find and the math involved in determining drops is not so simple and second I have tried this offline before with 85000% mf(you can't get much more than that) and I still get plenty of normal and superior items so I don't see a world where every drop is a unique if you can't even get all magic drops, unless you start messing with the game files I don't think it's possible.

@EricDavidTippett 6 күн бұрын

Helpful video! Did you already give away all the stuff lol

@brandonhawkins3742 Ай бұрын

I've seen a couple people do this experiment before and it seemed that over a certain point of MF you just get way more rare items than the uniques you want

@thiagotmendes Ай бұрын

Good job!!!

@MCGoodMedicine Ай бұрын

If I'm not mistaken, it's a 30% increase in uniques found not 42.67%; (75/107)x100%?

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

I mean Maths is definitely not my strong point, so it is highly possible i messed up somewhere on calculating the percentages lol

@Alen1984 Ай бұрын

For me 300-400% mf is more than enough and kill speed on all characters is similar

@jl3114 13 күн бұрын

Interesting. When I ran 800ish (many years ago) I felt like the set items dropped way more frequently than anything else but also lots of blues. Mostly played with around 200-300 on any given build and didn't sweat the numbers too much - back then I could just embrace the grind

@masteero89 Ай бұрын

What is the name of the song ??

@goshu7009 Ай бұрын

Very nice video. Thank you for the work and effort. This saves me tons of testing. So as it seems (and have always been) - more killing speed = more items. Better chance is optional and it should not slow you down. Therefore - more then 200 is just not worth it. again, really good video. You dont need 1000 runs, because most people will never do 1000 runs. Normal playing today is 1-2 hours per day, so....

@Itz_KLONOPIN 9 сағат бұрын

I'm assuming you're not going to take runes or normal base items unto account since Magic Find diesnt affect those items of course

@waltersmits4235 Ай бұрын

In addition, you cannot measure this fairly online, as the BER drop videos for offline runefarming already explained that the SEED game is obviously the key factor in getting drops at all, in complete disregard of how much MF you got. If you want to test this it should be the same SEED game, as otherwise you cannot make any statement using random seed games.

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

From what I understand about the Seed videos is that it applies to a poppable item and even that is very specific, make this movement, take this amount of time exactly to get there etc. The monsters spawning on an offline game and an online game are still random each time, it is only the map layout which is static. If the monsters are different, with different unique/champion mobs everytime a new game is loaded, then i don't understand how this could not be equitable? If i am wrong then please correct me, because i would love to learn new things about this game.

@kylesmith987 Ай бұрын

So first of all there is a misconception here about how MF works. MF does not affect the base drop of an item at all. Once a base item is rolled/dropped MF affects whether that base item is rolled as a magic item, rare item, set item, or unique item. Seeding determines the initial number in the random number generator that determines what base items can drop. It also affects things like map layouts, monster spawns, and to some degree the affixes on an item but it is still not fully understood yet and leaves a lot to be learned about how seeds works. You can test this your self with a seeded world. Put on a bunch of MF gear go find a seeded item rack and keep running the route to that item rack every time and you still see even under the exact same conditions the item will not always drop at the same rarity. I have seen people target farm uniques via weapon and armor racks in seeds by doing the exact same thing with varying amounts of MF until they hit the unique drop.

@ampatrao 13 күн бұрын

How did you manage to get those hero editor charms on an online character?

@HellfireEternal 7 күн бұрын

It's an offline character

@bombata151 Ай бұрын

100 runs is not that much when we talk about so much randomness - the type of items monster can drop, the amount of monsters, the amount of boss groups (besides the 3 specific ones). if you do another 100 runs the numbers may be totally different. 1000 runs will average it way better. Saying that, 20k MF is pointless. Kill speed is way better anyway, and around 400MF is your golden spot. P.S. The game is insane. I dont do Holy grail, but i've made 20+ characters that are lvl 85 and up, and leveling them up in terror zones ect. I have found Tyrael's recently lol, and i've found Zod, but i do not have any single SOJ or Mara's , nor Jah rune for Enigma :D How does this even make sense lol.

@jebadaiah1228 Ай бұрын

Hm ithats an ideat but like you said, sample size doesnt give us an accurate view of this. if you were willing why not do 100 runs per sitting recording the data then publishing what it looks like at 1k I started a holy grain in S1, and only recently finished in whatever season is out now a month or two ago, its TOUGH and you gotta stay with it. happy to say Ive found every item in d2r though + runes

@kenjintakeda1112 16 күн бұрын

Is dracs or wizspike still available ft?

@RNGesus_Channel 14 күн бұрын

Sorry I dropped everything that was left off in a free pub game

@Techn9cian123 Ай бұрын

I''m brand new to Diablo and heard D2 is best so i bought D2R. I asked a twitch streamer for help getting started and he gave me my first charm. 11% magic find has really helped the early game. I'm almost done with Act 1.

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

Welcome to D2R! I hope you are enjoying it. Which class did you choose? The first lots of magic find are huge, but it's a diminishing returns system.

@Techn9cian123 Ай бұрын

@@RNGesus_Channel summon necro. I played a few hours of D4 last month because it’s on gamepass and could totally imagine getting addicted to the gameplay loop. I know D4 has a lot of problems, and have never even heard or seen anyone mention D3, so I got D2 after hearing how beloved it still is. I know I should probably follow a build guild and I’ve got maxroll bookmarked. I’m also fairly new to having a PC. After a lifetime of console gaming, I’m still not used to multi-tasking while gaming. I did get spotify and discord but I haven’t joined any groups yet.

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

@Techn9cian123 Diablo is a great franchise, but D2 is where it's at in my opinion. Necro as first ever character is interesting, most people go either Pally or Sorc, but as a summon necro you should be fine in the later game with immunes. If you need assistance reach out.

@emrahkaraca1982 Ай бұрын

Name of the background song?

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

Some friends of mine put it together. Don't think it has a name.

@wizrom3046 Ай бұрын

Interesting tests! Thanks for taking the time to do that and show the results. As someonenwho has pkayed D2 for 20+ years, it's always amusing to see people make a similar mistake with gold find, they try to get silly amounts of gold find like 600% etc. The game itself has caps on how much any individual monster can drop, and you hit that cap around 200% GF.

@Saveddrip Ай бұрын

whats the cap each monster can drop? 200 seems awfully low for the cap.

@wizrom3046 Ай бұрын

@@Saveddrip depends on which LoD version you are playing. Best test is to equip you GF % then do 10 or 20 Trav runs and see what gold the council drops. Then try a different GF% like up it from 200 to 400 and see how much the total changes from the next 10 runs.

@sonnyvakil9193 Ай бұрын

once you reach around 900 magic find you see no difference. you should try 7-9 hundred vs 20 thousand and you might actually see no difference

@jynx5616 Ай бұрын

Your spreadsheet is not going to be predictable, because you didn't take into account the rares that spawn with double durability and triple durability. Double durability means it was going to spawn as a unique item, triple means it would of spawned as a set item, but since that item doesnt exist, it spawns as a rare. So to find the true value of 20,000% mf you need to pick the rares up. If only this game has a unique and set item for each weapon.

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

I understand your thinking and if I was just working out how many uniques/set dropped from 20000%, I would agree. But in comparing 200% to 20,000% and I didn't check the rares for failed uniques in either, then surely it is an equitable comparison? I would love each item base to have a unique/set version.

@Hypasurf22 Ай бұрын

You have a point but the "value" of MF isn't based off of failed uniques and set items. So picking them up to see that its failed proves nothing as far as value in MF terms. No one is increasing their MF in D2 thinking "I do this so I can get my triple durability rare Sacred Armor." People are increasing their MF for uniques mainly. His comparison was fine and showed exactly why its pointless to have way too much MF.

@talictdf4757 19 күн бұрын

I did a similar test a while back and I got 67 uniques over 40 runs with 85000 mf but I did clear the entrance area as well which probably got me about 5 to 10 extra uniques. Thing is there were many cases where Diablo didn't drop anything unique which to me it pretty much means that stacking lots of mf is especially useless on bosses, they're only useful for their high TC drops other than that elite packs tend to drop more consistently plus you can farm them on TZs. Small sample size but the numbers aren't that far off from yours considering the ridiculous amounts of mf.

@grapplerunit Ай бұрын

lol I would settle with 5k magic find. Where can I get those small charms 😂

@frankenstein3163 Ай бұрын

I was thinking you were going to do the gloom Easter egg mf thing.

@trialnsuffering9731 Ай бұрын

Same

@HellfireEternal 7 күн бұрын

The problem is that when you leave the game it resets. So it would take forever to complete 100 chaos runs. You could clear each act as regular and infinite mf though.

@odinian6244 16 күн бұрын

Very good research. How about 200% MF vs 200% MF and the MF boost secret?

@RNGesus_Channel 9 күн бұрын

Yeah I have been contemplating how effective that is also. I guess there is only one way to find out.

@alagass6466 Ай бұрын

Damn is 20,000 possible? Definitely gonna watch this one

@tatox666 Ай бұрын

not legit though

@C1skt1 Ай бұрын

Fianlly gesus is back

@timothyford836 Ай бұрын

Do you still have a pair of dracs?

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

Yeah sure do. I ran it on non-ladder tho. So if that's where u play u are welcome to them

@timothyford836 Ай бұрын

@@RNGesus_Channel Yep, I play only non ladder. Let me know when would be a good time for you to meet up and I'll make it happen. Thanks! Just recently discovered your content, and I'm loving it! I'm a big fan of off meta builds. Keep up the great work!

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

@@timothyford836 if your free now I can jump on quick

@timothyford836 Ай бұрын

@@RNGesus_Channel Sure, I'll be online shortly. What region?

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

@@timothyford836 US server 234 // 2

@leonas9843 20 күн бұрын

Sick profile photo btw

@zachkoa Ай бұрын

OH GREE AXE!

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

🤣 Had to be done

@kylesmith987 Ай бұрын

So the MF diminishing returns is pretty well documented on quite a few sites. Below is the table for magic find values and how much it effects the drop rate of items at 100% MF break point. Assuming the values keep scaling in a similar fashion all the way to 20k MF then i would suspect that you are barely gaining any benefit at all for unique drops. 100%-200% MF seems to be the easiest most beneficial break point. If you are sacrificing kill speed to get more then 200% MF you are probably lowering your over all odds of finding unique items pretty significantly. Value Magic Rare Set Unique 100% MF 100% 85% 83% 71% 200% MF 200% 150% 142% 111% 300% MF 300% 200% 187% 136% 400% MF 400% 240% 222% 153% 500% MF 500% 272% 250% 166%

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

Could not agree with you more

@choco8009 Ай бұрын

"Better magic items", means with better stats? Like more perfect items

@alkimane 25 күн бұрын

so in other words mf < multiplayer drop multiplier

@magnito2551 22 күн бұрын

De Gea, you have free time to play DR2 Hahaa

@Thomas-bp1ti Ай бұрын

If you're still around may I please have a pair of dracs, the highlords, and the shako?

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

Yeah of course, u around now?

@Thomas-bp1ti Ай бұрын

@@RNGesus_Channel Yeah, which server do you play on?

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

US server RNG // 22

@Thomas-bp1ti Ай бұрын

@@RNGesus_Channel are you on Eu servers?

@Thomas-bp1ti Ай бұрын

@@RNGesus_Channel kk brt

@makitaki1 Ай бұрын

i play near 35 000h or more and miss tyraels and Zod :/

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

The search continues for us both

@nickitaabitov1265 Ай бұрын

what u mean about monarch ?! its perfect ! 30/20 u can go to socked it

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

It needs to spawn with the jewellers mod to get the 4 sockets. Larzuk will just give it 2 unfortunately. One of the quirks of this games itemisation

@bombata151 Ай бұрын

You can get over 10K MF without cheats/fake charms . That weird Souls easter egg that was found recently gives you MF, and if you let them do the trick long enough you'd end with basically infinite MF. Yet, it takes way too long time to be worth it. Maybe if you leave the game open and go to sleep, and you come back the next day, to clear the whole game of monsters. I see no real use, except for searching for unique rings. Maybe that way you can find most unique rings in 1 go.

@mewtwo239 Ай бұрын

Ive found 3 death phantoms no deathsweb

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

Crazy!

@mewtwo239 Ай бұрын

@@RNGesus_Channel yeah right its reverse

@TickleFFA Ай бұрын

If onlyyy the D cleaver was E

@meandosiris Ай бұрын

i could use a pair of dracs =)

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

I ran it non-ladder, which i didn't mention. If you still need it, I'm free now

@Cave-a-lier Ай бұрын

20125%😢

@russellcrowe187 Ай бұрын

I mixed up my holy grail to includr any eth item that can roll eth .The last 3 azurath i have found have been from meph

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

I might to start doing some meph runs!

@nathancawley8759 23 күн бұрын

It has always been my contention that anything beyond 250%mf is just window dressing and bragging rights. This is the opinion that I formed way back in the day, like 20 years ago (whenever LoD dropped and I got serious about playing).

@psychedelicfox4815 6 күн бұрын

if you know anything about the drop rates you know that unique items are well below 1%, so you DO want as much mf as you can possibly get. 10 runs with only a couple drops past rare VS 10 runs with several drops past rare proves this. try this with 100,000 mf.

@epicwarding 25 күн бұрын

how to get every runeword in the game? Farm keys, thats it, just farm keys, and sell, u wont need any mf for this

@C1skt1 Ай бұрын

It took you a while sir gesus nice to see you your hair is kinda gay tho

@Cave-a-lier Ай бұрын

202% 😢

@Tunichtgut789 Ай бұрын

Players 3 and Players 5 give a lot more than MF 200 to 500/700

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

This is true. I chose to do P1 because 50% of the players play online and cannot reliably set a players number. Players 1 seemed like the best baseline.

@youlec2114 Ай бұрын

sadly u didnt do 0% MF :)

@russellcrowe187 Ай бұрын

I dont think it helps cuz i have 300% mf scs on a horker single player and i find more online with a hammerdin foh din 700mf horker and mosiac then i have ever found on the single player barb

@AkameGaKen Ай бұрын

mf is good just dont sacrifice speed for it. 50 items in 100 runs that took an hour isnt as good as 500 runs that gave you 100 items in an hour.

@robj4078 Ай бұрын

You cut on the items too fast. We want to see how things roll. You even cut yourself off on the Crescent Moon.

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

Yeah that's me being paranoid about video length. I'll make sure to leave them on a bit longer next video. Thanks for the feedback, really helpful as i'm new to this

@robertderby5916 10 күн бұрын

Not legit

@psychedelicfox4815 6 күн бұрын

no shit dummy it's called using a hero editor to obtain a massive amount of magic find to present a case for having more magic find!

@1312BlueMoon 9 күн бұрын

No point to make this video. You cant never even get 20k MF on battle net. It doesnt make any sense. That like to do milion dmg on edit char, wtf? ... Also i saw at 12:22 how De Seis almost owned you, lol.

@sacra5019 13 күн бұрын

How dare you to pretend to be our lord and saviour of drops and random numbers...i'm deeply offended and need to pray to rngesus now and that's not you😝😝

@maxlamenace5280 20 күн бұрын

most boring intro ever 😢

@justinparker2354 Ай бұрын

Imagine still playing a version of diablo where the rolls on an item are how high the defense is lol project diablo 2 ftw. D2r is basic and lame

@waltersmits4235 Ай бұрын

This is a pretty dumb test as everyone knows the sweetspot of mf in D2 lies around 350-400%, neglecting this is just making your whole experiment bullocks.

@RNGesus_Channel Ай бұрын

This was me wanting to know how much the mf falls off by putting an insane amount in. I needed a base line to compare it against and chose 200 for that. I prefaced the video by explaining that I run my normal online MF character with about 420% and you don't want to compromise speed for mf as the gains are not worth it. Which part did i neglect? It's ok that you didn't like the video, I know these aren't for everyone.

@charliem.8531 Ай бұрын

I really like D2r and your video.. Thank u for that.. but let me just please you to not use the picture of our lord Jesus Christ in this case.. I think he shouldnt be used like that..

@TheXenochrist666 Ай бұрын

How do you know what Jesus wants

@kenjintakeda1112 16 күн бұрын

That aint jesus, that RNGesus… cmon man….

@charliem.8531 16 күн бұрын

@@TheXenochrist666 the 3rd commandment: Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain

@charliem.8531 16 күн бұрын

@@TheXenochrist666 this is also the case with pictures of him