$2000 Starforge Pre-Built Gaming PC Review: Horizon II Ultra Benchmarks

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This review and benchmark tests the Starforge Horizon II Ultra pre-built gaming PC. We spent around $2,000 on this computer and ran testing during November, finalizing benchmarks and the tear-down in December, so we have a little over a month of total usage time on the computer to go into the review. Testing includes thermals, acoustics, power and PSU choice, and a tear-down, plus our usual inspection of packaging, shipping, and BIOS/Windows that we have in each pre-built review. Overall, the Starforge machine had a few key points of improvement -- especially in assembly -- but was generally well-built and lands on our shortlist of acceptable pre-builts we’ve reviewed recently.
If you’re not familiar with Starforge, it is owned by streamer group “OTK,” which consists of familiar names like Asmongold, Emiru, Esfand, and other top streamers. Moist Critical (penguinz0) is another co-owner of Starforge. The company’s management and some of its build staff are former Artesian Builds members.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Starforge Undercover Review
01:48 - Backstory of Starforge: OTK & Former Artesian
03:57 - Tear-Down & Build Quality
06:29 - Case Airflow Discussion & Screws
12:30 - CPU Socket Inspection & M.2 SSD
13:14 - Recapping the Tear-Down
14:50 - SSD Temperatures
15:27 - Acoustic Testing Methodology
17:43 - Noise Levels & Fan Ramp
18:18 - Frequency Spectrum Analysis
19:00 - Analyzing Streamer Frequency Spectrum
20:56 - Thermal Benchmarks: CPU & GPU
23:10 - Power Consumption
24:44 - BIOS Inspection
25:56 - Windows & Software Setup
26:42 - Packaging Inspection
28:23 - Accessories
28:57 - Conclusion
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@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

We cut a few small things / thoughts for time, but that's where the website comes in! We'll be converting this to an article within the next week or two and adding those extra pieces there. Will let you all know in HW News once it's up. Get the LIMITED 2023 Disappointment Shirt in Cotton: store.gamersnexus.net/products/disappointment-pc-2023-cotton Or in Heather Charcoal! store.gamersnexus.net/products/disappointment-pc-2023-heather These are IN STOCK & SHIPPING NOW and sell out very fast every year, so if you want one, order soon! Learn about the origins that pre-date Starforge in our Artesian Collapse video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gpiogMxoztSmYmw.html Pre-built reviews playlist: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rcBzZLN2ypPGlIE.html

@KazukiFuse99 5 ай бұрын

hello

@VIK_1903 5 ай бұрын

I MISSED THEEEEEEEESE!!!!!!!!!

@VIK_1903 5 ай бұрын

There's a flash frame at 00:25

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

@@VIK_1903 haha, just keeping you on your toes!

@Spenczar1 5 ай бұрын

Will it include a deep dive into the psychology of a group of people that worked this hard to make a phallus their logo?

@bluein_ 5 ай бұрын

Theory: people who coincidentally share the same name and surname as Steve will never, ever have a prebuilt order fail on them.

@elcazador3349 5 ай бұрын

Thanks, Steve!

@adreanmarantz2103 5 ай бұрын

Steve: "I think the takeaway from all this is-- use my name and/or 'GN' when ordering your pre-built"

@ChrispyNut 5 ай бұрын

Maybe. To respond with more seriousness than I perceive the comment to intend.... This is going back 25 years, but I worked for a tiny system builder (in returns) and only 1 of the three staff in there rally gave much a crap at all about computers ... though that was the Ops manager, so it's possible with today's workflow, he'd notice it. However no one else in the company really knew computer stuff (and, as I was the repair guy, I know that for a fact with the kind of work I had to do on their machines / to help them).

@Ikxi 5 ай бұрын

could also make a custom email maybe even domain for that

@futuza 5 ай бұрын

Time to start ordering all my parts under the name "Burke, Steve".

@TechTimeWithEric 5 ай бұрын

Hearing Steve say “that’s well done” is a lot like hearing Lock Picking Lawyer say “this is a lock I would use”.

@LanceThumping 5 ай бұрын

Has LPL ever actually said that? I've looked in the past but it's not easy to find.

@Gisar101 5 ай бұрын

@@LanceThumping yes, I've heard him saying that about a lock, but sadly I forgot which video that was

@LanceThumping 5 ай бұрын

@@Gisar101 Damn. Would've been good to have in my back pocket next time I was in the market.

@bengrogan9710 5 ай бұрын

@LanceThumping if memory serves it was an abus brand lock of some type

@ratlingzombie8705 5 ай бұрын

@@LanceThumping he likes some ABUS locks

@Varmint260 5 ай бұрын

Always make sure the standoffs are torqued to a higher value than the motherboard screws! I come across this issue a lot at work (Freightliner dealer). If there is a threaded component installed in another threaded component, the most accessible one should always be torqued to a lower value so it breaks loose first. Not a big deal in a headlamp standoff, but a huge pain in the rear if it's a fuel line fitting at the back of the engine compartment!

@myuzu_ 5 ай бұрын

Or even better, have defined torque specifications and use torque-limiting screwdrivers for everything. This coming from aerospace QA :^)

@Varmint260 5 ай бұрын

@@myuzu_ You're absolutely right, proper defined torque specs that are actually followed is the Way (tm). On the other hand... properly installing a motherboard in a case shouldn't be rocket appliances!

@KenS1267 5 ай бұрын

@@Varmint260 I build PC's as a side gig. I can easily enough get such a screwdriver. If it would make shipping a PC reliably easier I'd do it. I have had to replace entire PC's over a standoff breaking lose in shipping.

@RayneAngelus 5 ай бұрын

@@Vayate That... wouldn't actually help much. Because the act of screwing into them... would unscrew them...

@thebigint-hw1on 5 ай бұрын

I always do it to a lower value as I am secretly paid to do so by a company we are in competition with

@falxonPSN 5 ай бұрын

The streamer voice analysis and the sarcasm related to it is top tier. It honestly took me 30 seconds for my brain to catch up to what was happening in that segment

@dillonvillon 5 ай бұрын

I walked away and came back to that… I was so lost haha

@sipher3516 5 ай бұрын

I was waiting for Steve to mention the Retro Encabulator they had added to the testing setup lol. Missed opportunity imo, I hear those are the bast cabulators around.

@raphaelscholz795 5 ай бұрын

I was reading something while this video was playing besides and i just heard..Sinatra and had to rewind back to understand what i just missed. xD

@scottied2003 5 ай бұрын

"We wanted to show respect, as he appeared to be their leader." 🤣 😂😂

@prome666 5 ай бұрын

assmongo

@dricera 5 ай бұрын

All the streamer background aside, I'm really glad to see those artesian survivors find this avenue under Starforge to continue working on what they're passionate about. Not everyone gets a similar chance after a fallout like that

@paulsd9255 5 ай бұрын

So basically it's Artesian but with significantly better PR, showing that they actually had good bones to begin with? Because this is pretty dang good stuff out of them.

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

@@paulsd9255 Well, with one key change: The CEO. The former Artesian CEO was not only bad for PR, but also for process. Time will tell how Starforge handles here, but certainly that is a large impact at a company-wide level where they now have more dedicated people for process control (which should maintain a better quality overall, in theory).

@jorge69696 5 ай бұрын

What they are passionate about? Who the hell is passionate about building PCs all day long, every day?

@HowieDune 5 ай бұрын

@@jorge69696just because you aren't passionate about it doesn't mean no one can find joy in it

@djmerlin2 5 ай бұрын

@@jorge69696 know lots of ppl that love doing this every day.

@j4ck3t 5 ай бұрын

Tip for Starforge assembly line : You need an electric screwdriver that torques to 5nm. When it reaches the torque value, it stops. This means that the employee just needs to wait for the screwdriver to stop and can use another hand to place the next screw. Efficient AND extra guaranteed quality!

@PhilfreezeCH 5 ай бұрын

@@MindBlowerWTFyour employees are gonna be way happier with a electric one though

@j4ck3t 5 ай бұрын

@@MindBlowerWTF kinda like, are you going to screw in 300 screws everyday by hand? I can tell you from experience, that gets very tiresome real quick. Better to help your employees a bit and besides they are not expensive at all :)

@notsam498 5 ай бұрын

Yep, the goal is to make compliance easier than non-compliance. Electric screw drivers take away any advantage to non-compliance. The wera still requires effort for proper use.

@Skobeloff... 5 ай бұрын

Is there also an electric plastic film peeler they can use?

@isaacclarke2072 5 ай бұрын

I would actually love to know which screwdrivers can do this, tried to find some but no luck

@mursejoyy 5 ай бұрын

The dedication it takes to build that test chamber is next level. I love coming to this channel for the facts on system hardware. Thank you for continuing to be a truly excellent PC hardware outlet.

@williamwolcott329 5 ай бұрын

The whole episode was great, but the subtle humor and the sound breakdown was amazing. I had to google several of those acoustic/sound terms just to understand what you were saying haha

@smarouchoc7300 5 ай бұрын

Steve - "I don't wanna become tech support." Also Steve - spends time when he's on a shoot at Microcenter helping random people pick their systems. Be like Steve :)

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

hahaha, but that's something predictable! A pre-built needing tech support can happen at any moment! I love helping out at places like Micro Center. Really fun for us!

@smarouchoc7300 5 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexus oh, I get it. Totally. It's why I'd rather build, or teach someone to build, a PC if I know them, rather than making a "recommendation". Either way I'm the first line of tech support, I'd rather know they have good stuff 🤣

@00wheelie00 5 ай бұрын

@@smarouchoc7300 so recognizable!

@helphelphelphelp6145 5 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexus what a good dude , stay blessed Steve ❤

@zedboiii 5 ай бұрын

which video?

@zarathoestranl 5 ай бұрын

The front of the case is designed to absorb the crash energy of a frontal crash or when a pedestrian is hit. It is a feature, not a bug!

@KongHarald69 5 ай бұрын

This case have a better crimple zone than the cybertruck.

@neruneri 5 ай бұрын

@@KongHarald69 Well yeah, just about anything has a better crumple zone than the cybertruck. Mainly because the Cybertruck doesn't have one at all.

@hollowknight9158 5 ай бұрын

Since it's a streamer PC I imagine it absorbs the kicks or punches during the RAGE moments. This should be tested.

@afelias 5 ай бұрын

It's a blowaway panel in case your PC is under attack by a Leclerc main battle tank

@madProgenitorDeity 5 ай бұрын

The case is a Corsair 4000F-minus

@ryboits75 5 ай бұрын

I bought one during Black Friday and they actually changed the front panel before the release of this video to include a perforation of their logo, so theres more space for airflow now, and its magnetic so you can remove it very easily with no cables attached to it

@SOWICKEDIMWUZIE 4 ай бұрын

Did your purchase feel worth it?

@ryboits75 4 ай бұрын

I've been having good results with it so far. The temps get a bit high unless you adjust the voltages a bit, I turned on Intels LiteLoad to bring them down to reasonable temps with stress tests. It gets what is advertised and I haven't had issues with it so far beyond that. After this vid I checked all my screws and I didn't have any, so it might just vary between builders@@SOWICKEDIMWUZIE

@JustinKelley94 4 ай бұрын

Any problems so far?

@ryboits75 4 ай бұрын

It runs as you'd expect it to run with parts that are only about a year old. Start up time is basically non-existent cause all the apps open immediately. Games run pretty well given the 4070, but you might need a larger monitor to compensate for it since the CPU bottlenecks a bit@@JustinKelley94

@VoltUni 3 ай бұрын

Which one did you get and do you like it??

@spladam3845 5 ай бұрын

"as he appears to be their ruler, and we want to show respect for their hierarchy". That gave me a chuckle, but smart move GN, it's important to respect their customs.

@TheGamerUnknown 5 ай бұрын

I'm glad you're willing to do no-nonsense prebuilt reviews. I personally will never buy one, but for a LOT of people I can understand why a prebuilt is useful. EDIT: Especially with so much attention to detail and thoroughness - noticing things many others would miss.

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

I know a ton of people who will only ever buy a prebuilt, and that's completely valid for the non-enthusiast audience. We want to help them out too!

@kulilin3104 5 ай бұрын

I've been getting overrun by friends/family that want me to "help them" build PCs lately. Which usually turns into me building it for them. I'm at the point where with my own life/family I can't find the time to assist them anymore. Seeing decent prebuilts, at good prices, is a godsend. GamersNexus doing awesome work.

@NK_X_NK 5 ай бұрын

My last 4 computers between a “low tier and mid tier” ranking I guess, both Desktops and laptops since 2006 have all been prebuilt. Only took me 16+ years to finally do my research on how to build one and make sure everything is compatible. I never had a high end PC. My first one is gonna be my first built ever PC. Did 2 months of research before even buying my first part.

@kalashnikov1343 5 ай бұрын

Pre-builts are the goto option for when someone wants to gift a PC to someone else.

@kulilin3104 5 ай бұрын

@@versedi I have to completely disagree with you on that statement. They missed a few details, the thermal pad peel, tork on a few screws, and a minor scuff on the case. The positives outweigh those negatives. The cable management was absolutely top knotch. Their mark up isn't in the extreme stratosphere like Origin and Alienware. The PC was shipped with care so there was no internal damage to the system. What video where you watching?

@Invhytas 5 ай бұрын

I think if I were an SI and GN gave me this review I'd be pretty happy about it. Few things to improve on the building side, but overall solid stuff.

@nedyahyakcam 5 ай бұрын

Even got the better than Walmart award. Which is about 8x better than "better than dell'

@bellowick 5 ай бұрын

@@nedyahyakcam being better than dell isn't much of an achievement though, is it? It's kinda like saying you can run up the stairs faster than a paraplegic 💀

@WowCreativeUsername 5 ай бұрын

@@nedyahyakcamBeing better than Dell is like saying "I remembered to breathe today" is an achievement.

@Skobeloff... 5 ай бұрын

Yes, and no. As Steve mentioned, people buy pre-builts expecting them to be right, that is part of the excessive profit margin. The loose screws and the plastic film are bad, even though other things like the cable management looked good. That case looked like trash too, which is always a big issue with pre-builts, they are often built for profit margins and use very average parts. This pc should have been air cooled too, the liquid cooler is pointless bling. Definitely seen worse pre-builts on this channel though.

@wayland7150 5 ай бұрын

@@bellowick These are standard ATX PCs so even if they shipped a box of parts it would be better than Dell. Decent pre-built are what we need.

@Antisober14 5 ай бұрын

As a quality assurance professional myself, I'm always thoroughly impressed with the attention to detail, methods and data collection your team put into your videos. Thank you for your work!

@dakineprotoss 5 ай бұрын

the sound room was totally overkill for their QA (imo), but I also was pretty impressed at the level of precision these guys do.

@garguntoter 5 ай бұрын

Love the clowning on OTK and Asmon in particular, can't wait for his reaction vid. As always great stuff you guys go full tilt on stuff and always enjoy the vids, have a Happy New Year.

@DavidWB147 5 ай бұрын

The noise plots are very interesting. I wonder if there are more permanent arbitrary reference sounds that can be placed unobtrusively on the graphs so we can get some sense of what is happening. Something like the peak loudness of a desk fan at the same 1-metre distance, or even a comparison with a console like a PS5.

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

I like that idea. We'll try to figure something out that's common enough to be helpful.

@privacyvalued4134 5 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexus LTT/LMG show an "ideal" target curve overlay for their speaker/headphone tests. For this, the best overlay would be a curve showing average human tolerances across the noise spectrum - that is, the upper limit of what the average person will tolerate/not generally take notice of. The ideal sound from a computer system is obviously no sound at all. Fanless systems have their place/use but we probably won't ever see them in a gaming computer system without some major fundamental shift in CPU/GPU design (e.g. moving away from silicon to diamond/organic chips).

@AlexandruJalea 5 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexus please do. Interesting though. Building control requirements are a min 45db airborne test between party wall partitions, with the UK average exceeding 54sb on average. The reason I'm saying this is because the missus can hear my Asus A15 laptop taking off when gaming, from 2 rooms across!!! I have a 8l pc that's only a few dB less than the laptop, but at full tilt it does not even pass through the first wall. Obviously frequency is important etc, but this is a sort of comparison that for me and some of my mates would make the cut.

@pavelsorejs4923 5 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexus This may be confusing though - you are plotting dB and that is not linear scale, but people may easily miss that (where 3dB up is basically twice the power and 10dB up is perceived as 2x louder by humans)

@sql64 5 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexus you could also throw in a short clip of the pc running or a note at a specific frequency for example at around 18:20

@DeckDogs4Life 5 ай бұрын

I am glad to hear they are doing pretty well. Hope they take this to heart and really become a great SI.

@KevCS2 5 ай бұрын

YEAAAAA was waiiting on a new prebuilt review i love youre video im learning alot !!! thanks for all these content . I know my english is bad .

@adeptfelix 5 ай бұрын

HP has sent me so many SSD's with coolers that had the tape still on the thermal pads. This was for their workstation systems too, not even consumer stuff.

@jasonjavelin 5 ай бұрын

My buddy got an Artesian Build right before the collapse. It was built on stream which was a neat twist and for the money he paid at the time was a pretty decent build. It’s nice to see that Starforge has a pretty high bar set even with a few hiccups it’s miles better than some of the larger SIs we’ve seen. We joke on my buddy that even though only about 1 part of the Artesian build remains it’s how he got started lol. We’ve all built and upgraded since then largely thanks to your videos. Thanks for the awesome content!

@penncovewatersewerdistrict8351 5 ай бұрын

I got an Artesian build before collapse as well. It was a nightmare, right off the bat the 3080ti was DOA. Many little, irritating problems since then.

@marcmiller5139 5 ай бұрын

I had that Deepcool case. That front panel falling off at the slightest attempt to move it irritated the hell out of me to the point I swapped to a different case. Side note on thermal pads, I bought a pair of EVGA GTX 980's to SLI in an old build ($50 each during the GPU Shortage of 2021) and tore them down to clean them up and on one of the cards, on one bank of memory, EVGA hadn't peeled the plastic off of the thermal pad during assembly.

@clairefey1934 5 ай бұрын

Only GN provides such top notch review methodology, like using a bilateral time cube to cancel out the cartesian coordinate system.

@songerph 5 ай бұрын

Lmao. I was like what😅

@ColonelCoffee 5 ай бұрын

Haven't watched the video yet but the fact alone that there is no negativity in the video title says a lot

@cardrivingdude 5 ай бұрын

Does it? Just in the hover preview it seems they're showcasing a bunch of lazy mistakes Starforge made... Kinda funny. I've built hundreds of pc's and never did any of those things. Maybe I should start a prebuild company seeing how low the bar is set for approval... 👍

@Ikxi 5 ай бұрын

The bar is low yea, it just gotta work and at low prices it doesn't have to look pretty But also, I wish your sanity good luck with all the stupid customers you'll eventually have, the more you sell, the higher the chances will get best to think about hiring someone who will talk to them, there are some crazy people out there @@cardrivingdude (also like, you can't say you never did a mistake in your first couple PCs, also when a company makes them, they have to make a certain amount in a certain time, so some things will be less carefully done and the more PCs you make, the higher the chances for mistakes did you test every single PC for lose screws or missed peels, that'd be impressive)

@dwinterx 5 ай бұрын

That sound testing chamber is amazing!

@rebelshadowrm 5 ай бұрын

I always love the depth and detail you give you to your reviews. I've always been curious about some of the OG SI companies like FalconNW, I've never seen anyone give a detailed review, it always just seems like an unboxing. Keep up the great work, your attention to detail is well appreciated.

@nebraskarooster9244 5 ай бұрын

Love your videos - you are the gold standard for PC and component technical reviews.

@LVNeptune 4 ай бұрын

Would that be asmonGOLD standard?

@eden1738 5 ай бұрын

I can't wait to see asmon's reaction to that unpeeled thermal pad. They were sooooo close to getting through the inspection with no big mistakes

@sean8998 5 ай бұрын

Uh, it's assmongol my friend.

@viktorianxd 5 ай бұрын

Yeah asmongool will not be too happy

@arc00ta 5 ай бұрын

@@viktorianxd They had to do that on purpose but its so funny

@Stratos1988 5 ай бұрын

I can imgine, a 40 minute video incoming that starts with "and I tought Linus was overzealous"

@cipherbenchmarks 5 ай бұрын

rookie mistake tbh

@FandangoJon 5 ай бұрын

I think Steve is familiar with having a few screws loose. Happens to the best of us. Seriously though these kinds of vids are so important for prebuilts. If they listen to this and improve their QA process... everyone wins. It shouldn't have to be GN's job... but such is the industry. Thanks, Steve!

@toddbrewer683 5 ай бұрын

Well done, thanks Steve!

@DaftFader 5 ай бұрын

Love the anechoic chaimber! I've always wanted one to record sounds in. You could start doing audio review testing for like microphones and headsets etc if you wanted.

@TheXythic 5 ай бұрын

Great review, I am glad you checked thoroughly. Nice catch on the ssd peel. I hope for more pre-built video in 2024!

@caitlynhorne1661 5 ай бұрын

Always impressed by the depth and quality of your pre-build reviews. Have used them to help with steering friends and family in a good direction. Happy I'm a patron.

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

That's awesome that they're useful for recommendations! That's why we make them. Thank you for watching!

@airvine3793 4 ай бұрын

Love this review format, look forward to seeing many more comparisons.

@dzonialucard 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the review Steve! Great as always Also, i LOVE the asmonbald pokes

@Halokrogg 5 ай бұрын

I love you guys prebuilt reviews. Great job.

@razorworks111 5 ай бұрын

Great review. I appreciate the reviews on the pre-built units, even though custom build projects are more exciting. Thanks Steve

@Ijnekono 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely love the noise data~!

@hotdogsarepropaganda 5 ай бұрын

well made video, thanks for doing everything you do!

@alrecks619 5 ай бұрын

What a way to open 2024 with a decent prebuilt.

@RabidDogma 5 ай бұрын

Glad to see that it rated (relatively) well. I watch a decent number of streams from one of the OTK people and it seems like they're not trying to overtly scam people so at the very least (and that's bare bones) that's good.

@giftig694 5 ай бұрын

decent?

@regularperson9801 5 ай бұрын

@@giftig694 i hope they mean the review not the PC :)

@Rspsand07 5 ай бұрын

@@RabidDogma The value is God awful. They have a 2500$ 4070 ti, 13600 KF PC on their site. You could build a 7900 XTX, 7800xD PC for significantly less.

@John-Wolfe 5 ай бұрын

It is a decent build for a pre-built pc. No oem parts, decent cpu/gpu combo and the markup could be worse. At least it's no dell pc. After the review I would feel comfortable recommending this to friends that don't want to build pcs and I can't build one for them.

@io1238 5 ай бұрын

🥰🥰That chamber has been so useful and crucial for gn, the amount of value it provides is almost unlimited, very good purchase, you can hear the pride in steve voice when he mentions it in almost every video

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

It's been crazy useful for the upcoming cooler reviews!

@io1238 5 ай бұрын

and those future fan tests😜@@GamersNexus

@tegneren 5 ай бұрын

Also a place he can go to scream out all his frustrations over bad pre-builts without scaring his employees 😅

@Speedy.V 5 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexus Do you intend to rent it out when not in use so that you can get some more return on your investment?

@scottwatrous 5 ай бұрын

@@Speedy.V That was my thought. Like, there's no way doing even useful review work for GN that they are getting a 1/4 million dollars in extra revenue from having that equipment vs if they had a more rudimentary space. They must have a way to bring in people who need quiet room environments when they aren't using it.

@Melchirobin 5 ай бұрын

19:27 I loved how you leaned into the meme and loved watching the reaction stream.

@Joes_Apartment 4 ай бұрын

Just ordered two shirts, thanks for the awesome content guys happy to support!

@jubuttib 5 ай бұрын

4:31 I've seen that same feature on Corvette rear ends too! It's not the nicest thing, but for a decorative panel I don't care too much. Kinda rather it flex than dent or worse when I inevitably kick it. =)

@volvo09 5 ай бұрын

Yeah, the corvettes with the flat rear end have the "press and flex" feature. I remember finding that when I waxed one at a dealership.

@kyrosmike 5 ай бұрын

Clarkson made that feature famous, but the engineer said we made the car to be light not rigid there

@jubuttib 5 ай бұрын

@@kyrosmike Yeah I know, it's just a fiberglass bodyshell in that specific area, nothing structural is being done by it. =)

@jubuttib 5 ай бұрын

@@Navi_xoo Oh I was just talking about the flex, not the pattern, that sucks.

@DJIronChef 5 ай бұрын

Great video so far. I hope they improve just a bit. Everything seems great overall minus that tape. If I could afford it, I'd get one, but other stuff is priority, and no real reason to upgrade my current rig. Also, that booth is clean af soon as that door opened i heard the audio shift like oooooooo! The voice analysis was hilarious

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

The tape is good. RGB connectors come apart.

@DJIronChef 5 ай бұрын

@GamersNexus sorry I was meaning the bit that was on the SSD

@ffwast 5 ай бұрын

Putting the same parts together yourself would make it a lot more affordable (with no weiner logo)

@adieognira9709 3 ай бұрын

The part of the analyzing streamer frequency spectrum blew me off. lol thanks Steve and Team!

@Despair05 5 ай бұрын

Huge props to your editors and graphic designers. Good stuff

@pangurbanthecat4043 5 ай бұрын

Give workers checklists specific to the components. This case, these components, etc, then you get these checklists. Workers will then check off each piece until they're done. This ensures that nothing is forgotten and that things are done correctly. A large bonus would also be torque-setting capable tools - This would help ensure that things are tightened correctly.

@johnbienaszii7729 5 ай бұрын

due if they need a torque wrench for this there's as problem

@alesksander 5 ай бұрын

@@johnbienaszii7729 read comments above about that TOPIC for explanation. Screwing 300+ screw in day gets tedious quite quickly...

@Skobeloff... 5 ай бұрын

People check off checklists these days without checking them, and managers rarely care.

@myuzu_ 5 ай бұрын

Checklists are just tools to point blame with. They won't improve a bad process.

@mytech6779 5 ай бұрын

@@myuzu_ They are good for maintaining a consistant baseline, putting the process in writing avoids misunderstandings and managers who have expectation drift with the goal of making the department numbers look better at the expence of the overall company(Field repairs, returns, liability, reputation).

@TomatePasFraiche 5 ай бұрын

I was cracking up during the whole vocal power segment, well done 😂

@Carlos-cu4ms 5 ай бұрын

I have the same DeepCool case but with the front panel without holes. That version of the case is super solid and sturdy.

@opoc8970 5 ай бұрын

thanks, I built my own pc last week and viola, totally forgot about setting EXPO in BIOS for my RAM until I saw asmon seeing your review.

@PDXCustomPCS 5 ай бұрын

Small note.The MSI software installer is a setting in the MSI bios. I've seen it on many MSI boards.

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

Yeah, we're aware. It can be toggled off by the SI.

@ElderWillows 5 ай бұрын

Bro thinks GamersNexus doesn't know about board brand Bios.

@NeoDaOne 5 ай бұрын

these Prebuilds are truly informative. I have been on the fence if I should just get a prebuild or not, though would only get one if i could upgrade it later. Keep up the great work as always.

@steakburger101 5 ай бұрын

Watch the secret shopper series for Linus tech tips. They did the same but will all the major pc built companies.

@Skobeloff... 5 ай бұрын

*Don't "watch the secret shopper series for Linus tech tips." They are trashier than even the youtubers who own Starforge.

@jackalclone1 5 ай бұрын

Would have liked to have seen a test of their customer service as well, similar to past NZXT reviews etc. For example, the peel left on the m.2 cover was a prime opportunity to contact support with (fictitious) symptoms of overheating SSD, and seeing if they were equipped to deal with that

@Skobeloff... 5 ай бұрын

Good point, customer service would be a significant reason to pay the excess for a pre-built.

@Vashtiian 5 ай бұрын

I agree but just in case you do want to see that Linus has a recent video with starforge customer service

@Skobeloff... 5 ай бұрын

@@Vashtiian Funny how a video about a company owned by dodgy youtubers like Assmold attracted all of these dimwit Linus fans here.

@MichaSennin 5 ай бұрын

those are not authentic. they are on the line with a big channel on youtube. they will act differently to a random Bozo buying their prebuilds. Its not a good indicator for their actual customer support, please keep that in mind. @@Vashtiian

@xpyr 4 ай бұрын

@@MichaSennin They don't know it's LTT calling them.

@cosmicxchaos 5 ай бұрын

I had ordered through Cyberpower before years back. So I took a shot and ordered a rig from them again recently. Went for an i9-14900/4070/32gb DDR5 7200MHz. Was pretty close to the price of the one reviewed. So far I'm really happy with it.

@Crashed131963 5 ай бұрын

Not bad.

@crylune 4 ай бұрын

Nice. Just got my 14900K recently, loving this beast of a chip, especially when under an EK Nucleus CR360 AIO.

@shawnjohn5756 5 ай бұрын

Hi Steve,question after watching the full video I wanted to ask why there weren't any performance charts included,the usual suite of productivity+gaming benchmarks that you perform? This is a genuine question because I found the rest of the video absolutely amazing as always with the prebuilt series but found the lack of fps in games made me feel a little empty inside? (P.S:Love your videos,thank you for being so awesome to the entire GN crew 🙏)

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

The performance would mirror what our performance reviews present for each component individually, so we don't publish them. We do test to make sure it hits expectations though. We'd have to make cuts elsewhere in the reviews to accommodate those.

@CraigLabute 5 ай бұрын

I think the idea here is there's nothing to report unless it's far outside the expected performance of the components. I don't really want the video to tell me the 13600k in a prebuilt performs like a 13600k. This is usually a more meaningful comparison on laptops where often the "same" components are run at a variety of TDPs and power/thermal management profiles.

@rhyagelle 5 ай бұрын

If the extent of the issues are a few loose screws and a forgotten peel, that's actually really, really good. I mean, not the issues, but it being the only thing.

@Ikxi 5 ай бұрын

better than dell

@Skobeloff... 5 ай бұрын

Both potentially major issues though

@pjstartv6798 5 ай бұрын

Love the bottle of Snake Oil during your Merch adverts. Nice touch. Approved!

@MicCard 5 ай бұрын

Great work as always GN! any update on the Long Win machine? are we going to see any fan testing in 2024?

@Mr.Genesis 5 ай бұрын

Been waiting for a Starforge review.

@MenkoDany 5 ай бұрын

The streamer frequency analysis had me rolling on the floor

@Synthetikgreed 5 ай бұрын

Maybe you could implement some sort of rating system at the very end when going over overall impressions. Like score them on 'Attention to Detail' 1-5 for screw torque, Cable Management etc. , Noise levels 1-5, Cooling 1-5, Shipping 1-5, Price Effectiveness 1-5, and Overall 1-5. Just a thought I had, could even use icons like a screw for the detail, sound waves for noise, a thermometer for cooling and so on.

@doctortacojunior 5 ай бұрын

GN always putting in so much effort, well done and thank you guys for always being honest

@tehpanda64 5 ай бұрын

I for one prefer a longer fan ramp, if it is too agressive it becomes a lot more noticeable because of how suddenly the sound occurs, even if the volume is actually low because of high quality fans or whatever. The slower the ramp the less you notice the volume increase. It is like boiling a frog slowly (not that i've ever done that, it is just a thing people say).

@MindBlowerWTF 5 ай бұрын

Pretty sure everyone who had a GPU that would go constantly between 30% to 80% fan speed would agree with You. *shakes hand at MSI 2080*

@mytech6779 5 ай бұрын

I've occationally had an inverted effect when setting the fan:temp slope to low. It can induce an occilation with a period of a few seconds. With the slope too low the heat rises much faster than the fan is ramping, so it quickly hits a yellow zone temp that has a much steeper slope so the fan suddenly races to catch up. But the overall heat output is not high enough to require that sustained fan speed and the temp drops too fast which resulting in a sudden crash in fan speed and the whole process starts over.

@Dropsey818 5 ай бұрын

i bet you dont like sand pusy

@obhwg 5 ай бұрын

These videos are extremely important for those who are looking to get into PCs. Thanks for making these!

@Talieer 5 ай бұрын

Great video as always Steve! I had one comment regarding what you're stating at 18:36. The phonemes of average human speech actually span a much wider frequency range than what you're highlighting. For example, "F", "TH", and "S" sounds are all around 4-5kHz. This entire region is usually called "The Speech Banana", which you may find in textbooks or the like on acoustics and human perception of noise.

@good_vibes_20 5 ай бұрын

Enjoyed your review!

@TheBazzterd 5 ай бұрын

Seeing this, i'm glad that i build my own pc for the first time last month :D Specially with all the deals around black friday i can now say i have done well :)

@MischieviousJirachi 5 ай бұрын

How easy it was it? Did it take long? I havent built mine yet

@sirmonkey1985 5 ай бұрын

@@MischieviousJirachi if you know how to build lego's, it's pretty much the same thing. just don't drop or stab your motherboard with a screw driver and you'll be fine. that being said Jay and Linus have build guides on their channels so definitely reference them if your worried about it.

@TheBazzterd 5 ай бұрын

@@MischieviousJirachi Watch a couple of utube guides on how to build one step by step. Also watch for example Greg Salazars 'fixing a viewers broken pc'' helped a lot, specially for trouble shooting that i had to do. Turned out my new PSU was faulty and didnt do nothing. Thnx to series like that i could find the problem and solve it with my old psu from my prebuild lenovo. (the only thing i actually upgraded in that build a long with a gpu and my only build experience) Best tip, take ur time and be confident.

@MischieviousJirachi 5 ай бұрын

@@sirmonkey1985 @thebazzterd thank yall

@Skobeloff... 5 ай бұрын

@@MischieviousJirachi Look for build guides from decent youtubers (not trash like Linus and Jayz2braincells). Building pc's is not difficult, but it can be stressful your first time, watching build guides will also show you the best order to assemble parts, which will help you to avoid having to remove and reinstall. Just researching the parts for a build is a great way to learn about pc's. How long it takes depends on you, best to take your time on your first build. It is also handy to have a working pc nearby so you can easily look up anything you have doubts about.

@Darkshadow7827 5 ай бұрын

Excellent video. I've had to have a friend help me build my PC twice now. It's a bit of a pain in the ass for someone who doesn't do it often or is overly cautious like myself. None-the-less, I would have liked to have Steve also review the logo. I'm curious as to whether he thinks the logo is phallic shaped and if it is, if it detracts from the overall build.

@unholydonuts 5 ай бұрын

A newer version of this prebuilt had the logo etched on the front panel.

@djbadandy1 5 ай бұрын

i see you used my suggestion for the 1 meter dowel. splendid.

@frostmage7965 5 ай бұрын

Great review!

@adamjung5470 5 ай бұрын

I would buy Starforge. Especially amused by the comments recommending “attention to detail” followed by the most detailed acoustic test we’ve ever seen. Way to step up GN.

@cacheman 5 ай бұрын

15:16 If anything, leaving the plastic on is a feature. Now the pad will be in better shape if the user upgrades to a faster drive. It's like leaving the plastic on the couch.

@ventilate4267 5 ай бұрын

It was most likely a slip of the mind, but this is a good point too

@danieljones9937 5 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same. Although leaving some screws loose (and tightening one far too much) is more difficult to explain. But Steve saying 'this was good enough for me to actually give it to someone else' has to be a win.

@Flying_Jorts 5 ай бұрын

“Angle of attack on the fan blades”. Steve’s knowledge of different sciences is pretty cool. I dig it.

@thewirv 5 ай бұрын

The summary in the beginning is just perfect!

@user-wu2pg5zh2r 5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for continuing to uphold and model to other's that it is possible to run a profitable, HIGH quality business while also having ethic's and behaving in a moral fashion. Hat's off to you all for your dedication to truth and common sense.

@swells1 5 ай бұрын

2024 off to a great start. First the disappointment build, and now another prebuilt -- my two favorite kinds of GN videos. Thanks Steve!

@wayner2ll704 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the review.

@Ariane-Bouchard 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the review! One thing I wish you'd included would've been a more developed performance/price section. I feel like some sort of cost per frame graph where you'd compare a DIY system to various prebuilts. I feel like that, juxtaposed to a statement on quality, would be a great way to wrap things up and help people make decisions.

@Ikxi 5 ай бұрын

building yourself is always cheaper even more so when you try to get some deals on used hardware when on a tighter budget you can get some pretty awesome hardware which enough patience and knowledge on where to look

@Ariane-Bouchard 5 ай бұрын

@@Ikxi of course it's always cheaper. The idea is to have a visual representation of how much cheaper it is. That could help someone who's on the fence take a decision. "Hmm, quality is good and it's only 5% more expensive. Worth it" vs "Quality is only okay and I could save 30% by doing it myself. I think I'll watch a guide and give it a try"

@SoundwaveSinus9 5 ай бұрын

Linus did that. Price to performance Starforge is comparable to other vendors. Straight in the middle

@Frenchtoastedfruitloops 5 ай бұрын

Very clean cable management is about the only reason I’d ever get a prebuilt. So good to see they understand that😂

@Syst3m04 5 ай бұрын

So I’ve built 3, and might build my 4th, but strongly considering prebuilt. The main reason is the price isn’t that much difference with GPU’s so expensive right now. I went to new egg and part for part built a starforge pc and it was more to build it than just buy it.

@MikeBob2023 5 ай бұрын

Thank you! 🙏🏻

@benoliver2826 5 ай бұрын

I purchased my first prebuilt in probably a decade in October. I got a IBUYPOWER Custom build with the Hyte y60 Case, 4090 founders, 13900k, Corsair 360 AIO Elite, Dominator Ram, and 1200 W Platinum PSU. I was able to pick every component and its been literally flawless. I priced compared it to buying all the individual parts and it was cheaper due to the cost of 4090s . Would love to see a review of their completely custom builds. The cable management was actually amazing.

@JackieLombardi 5 ай бұрын

I love how much effort is put into making sure the content contains the most accurate possible information ♥

@Ikxi 5 ай бұрын

very entertaining also good to see that they now include the extra modular cables, in LTT's video they were missing

@Sv5YpWTwd9otTA4So83f 5 ай бұрын

Great video. I had not previously been aware of Emiru and her vital statistics.

@jaredc5169 5 ай бұрын

great video!

@Teksers 5 ай бұрын

The PP rocket company is back with almost great build quality.

@unholydonuts 5 ай бұрын

In my opinion that choice of company logo was a huge oversight.

@Teksers 5 ай бұрын

@@unholydonuts oversight or not. They'll forever be know as the pp rocket company.

@secretchiley 5 ай бұрын

@@Teksers Hey, it worked out. The brand recognition they've gotten from that logo is insane.

@wille84fin 5 ай бұрын

Not bad. Maybe they were trying to avoid borking the screws (loose screws), but with a proper driver (and head) it shouldn't be a issue. On the other hand, that one screw (maybe issue with the case part itself) was what it was. Overall i think the quality is getting up there with the better prebuilt companies. Asmongold seems very open to take notes/constructive feedback at least, and the build quality seems to be getting better and better. Can't speak for the others because i only watch Asmon's content now and then. Not sure about the price though, always built my own PC's.

@arthurmoore9488 5 ай бұрын

The answer is cheap torque limiting screwdrivers and using the clutch on any half decent electric screwdriver. Of course, at that point you need a metrology person/department to calibrate everything, but it can prevent the problem from ever occurring again. Yes, "cheap" is approx $50 for an calibrated no-name screwdriver, but one RMA from a screw causing issues is going to cost more than that in shipping alone.

@Alvin853 5 ай бұрын

I'm thinking electric screwdrivers that don't have a lot of torque and no hand-tightening afterwards. I was looking into cheap electric screwdrivers because I work on PCs quite often and this was the one "negative" point that almost all of them shared in reviews and what kept me away from buying one, if you need to hand-tighten and -loosen every single screw before and after using the electric screwdriver, the usefulness quickly goes out the window.

@charmolettafranquestafiestayam 5 ай бұрын

@@Alvin853 luckily the electronic screwdriver has screwdriver built right into it so you can just do the screwing with the thing already in your hand and all that.

@DD-th5tu 5 ай бұрын

The unbridled streamer shade at the accoustics section was such a wonderful surprise gift in this video. 😄

@Ninjagato465 5 ай бұрын

That is the most accurate streamer noise analysis I have ever seen. Very detailed. 😺😺😺😺😺😺

@reset1101 5 ай бұрын

As always, another very informative and thorough review from tech Jesus. I wonder why no SI, as far as I know, uses Arctic Liquid Freezer II AIOs on their systems. They even have versions with RGB fans now! I know the thickness of the radiator might be an issue for some cases, but there are plenty of them where they fit.

@UnderTheIceburg 5 ай бұрын

For an SI, choices on any given component are largely limited to what sort of contract you can negotiate. Besides simple cost and functionality, an SI needs to consider things like failure rates, manufacturer support in the cases of failure, lead times, and guarantees on a certain number of units.

@TommyPanigale 5 ай бұрын

Great content as always. I have zero interest in purchasing a pre-built for myself but watched this anyway. You're unexpected nonsensical rants always crack me up and catch me off guard. Love this channel

@kristerlarsson4633 5 ай бұрын

Great review as usual. Just one question, what is the system load during the acoustic testing, is it 100% CPU and GPU or something else?

@TECHiSuppose 5 ай бұрын

Interesting look at another prebuilt. It seemed to do alright! Though maybe they can find specialty screwdrivers to get the torque right every time. Plus the human error or process thing with the SSD.

@MistyKathrine 5 ай бұрын

3:22 That's such a good meme.

@mimireich 5 ай бұрын

That case was the same case I use in my PC right now (White Version). Great way to start 2024 with Prebuild and hopefully NEW DISAPPOINTMENT 2024 BUILD !!!!!

@BudgieandAviaryBirds 5 ай бұрын

why hope for crap stuff?

@mimireich 5 ай бұрын

@@BudgieandAviaryBirds the Disappointment Build 2023 was the blast. So it will be new dawn for opening new trends and new techs that cause disappointment later mid 2024 or Q4 2024.

@charleswarner8700 5 ай бұрын

I'll have to watch this later when i get home, just bought this exact pc for a buddy of mine before Christmas and impulse bought myself the voyager 2 or whatever their top one is. First time buying a pre-built, was just too busy and lazy to build one this time around, and I had great customer service and both PCs work flawlessly so far. Interested if that's the norm or if I'm too easily pleased.

@shrededpudding5921 5 ай бұрын

17:17 anechoic silenced hvac ducts is so cool. i love the weird design solutions our industry makes necessary

@Atilolzz 5 ай бұрын

Great Review! I always love Steves professional and informative reviews with once again overpriced, cheap looking and faulty prebuild PCs!

@theflamingeagle572 5 ай бұрын

You're a joke, someone said they built one part for part and it still costed more to build a Starforge than get a Starforge pre-build. Even Gamers Nexus said at the most they are only upping the price by around $300.