201. American Civil War: Outbreak

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2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the second episode in The Rest Is History's 'American Civil War' series.
The release schedule of the remaining two episodes is as follows:Gettysburg (Thursday 30th June)Aftermath & Legacy (Monday 4th July)
However, members of The Rest Is History Club get all episodes RIGHT NOW, so head to restishistorypod.com to sign up.
In today's pod, Dominic, Tom and historian Adam Smith discuss the opening exchanges of the war and the tactics both sides used. They also look at some of the big characters including Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson, and ask whether there was ever any realistic chance of the European nations joining the conflict.
Producer: Paul King
Twitter:@TheRestHistory@holland_tom@dcsandbrook
Email: restishistorypod@gmail.com

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@Terinije Жыл бұрын

The reason why so many Northerners rallied to preserve the Union was because they saw what would happen if they didn't. If the South could leave because an election didn't go their way, then that threat becomes malignant and ever-present in every election and every debate. The United States would cease to be in an increasing balkanization of the region, which would irreparably ruin the national military, economic, and political ability to grow and expand their influence. Nobody in the North wanted that, and quite frankly the South had they succeeded would've found itself splintering within a generation as well in all liklihood. In other words, the North was fighting to preserve the Union to stave off anarchy.

@colinmagnier1232 Жыл бұрын

Mark Corrigan finally made it as a Historian..

@colinmagnier1232 Жыл бұрын

Glad someone got it

@garyw9892 4 ай бұрын

From peep show?

@MrMarccj 2 ай бұрын

"General Lee is Prince Rupert", LMFAO, I freckin' love this channel!

@lionzion32 Жыл бұрын

I'm so glad I've found this podcast though my wife is very not glad I found it.

@waxer32123 4 ай бұрын

The south was fighting for slavery, the north was fighting for union and the idealistic vision of the US as laid out in the Declaration of Independence.

@michaelbedford8017 Жыл бұрын

U.S. Grant: 'Phew!, This is getting to be like WW1!' Adjutant: 'Er.. World War What sir?'

@brandonblackfyre5783 7 ай бұрын

*Always super dope to learn more about The Civil War when it has a lot of battles in your state and surrounding states in the DMV*

@ianmedford4855 Жыл бұрын

Wait... baseball is a FASTER paced game than Cricket? That's not good fellas.

@microblast4829 2 ай бұрын

i’m from Georgia and that southern accent is… well props for trying ig

@PaulInPorirua 29 күн бұрын

I've often wondered what would have happened if Robert Toombs' opinion had held sway, and the South hadn't fired first. Would Lincoln have gone to war for a fort or two?

@robertdarby6553 Жыл бұрын

According to Wikipedia, the use of the word 'hooker' as slang for a prostitute, predated General Hooker, being used in print as early as 1845.

@salex5412 4 ай бұрын

Another reason the British Government under Palmerston didn't recognize the South is because of the disastrous experience in the Crimean War five years earlier. Lincoln had already told the Palmerston government that any recognition of the South would mean war between the United States and Great Britain. And Palmerston didn't want to risk it. In addition the French wouldn't recognize the South without British recognition. And finally as pointed out in the podcast, once the Emancipation Proclamation was made known, the likelihood of recognition became almost impossible.

@andypandy9013 3 ай бұрын

So how come when the US had stopped a British ship to take two Confederate Diplomats off and the UK Government demanded that they be released Lincoln did so saying "One war at a time gentlemen" to his colleagues? 🤔

@salex5412 3 ай бұрын

@andypandy9013 I defer to Lincoln scholars but I suspect Lincoln didn't want war either but couldn't say it publicly. As Nixon said, You don't tell your adversaries what you won't do.

@vincentfourment3041 2 ай бұрын

Succession was not addressed either way in the constitution, so what happens if some years later, a northern state decides to leave for some other reason? I think a part of the concern would have been future precedent.

@andrewOpts Жыл бұрын

I'm an American with northern ties. I've always understood that the north fought the war for 2 reasons: to free the slaves and to preserve the union. Perhaps freeing the slaves wasn't the initial reason for Lincoln but it certainly was for many who joined the army. Funny how the previous video talked about how the south said the war wasn't about slavery but, in fact, it was. But it's not about slavery for the north? It has to be! America still feels the affects of the second reason for the war which was states rights. It was the beginning of the state's loss of power and a much diminished federal system. Great podcast! I always enjoy listen to you both

@tommonk7651 3 ай бұрын

As a native Atlantan, that might be the worst Southern accent I've ever heard. LOL Love the podcast.... I get so tired of people arguing the Civil War was not about slavery. Of course it was.... America is better off for the demise of cricket. 🙂 Gen. McClellan was not a good fighter; he was a good trainer and preparer, but he was not aggressive. He was fired because of his lack of aggression.

@johnrohde5510 Ай бұрын

The North probably expected a quick victory. It had a numerical superiority, all of the regular army and all of the navy. In two recent liberal v conservative clash, the liberals had won fairly easily: Switzerland's Sonderbund War and the Franco-Austrian War. Most wars are embraced because they are expected to be quick and easy. The South had the stronger motive and the weaker resources; the North had the weaker motive and the greater strength.

@robertwalsh4397 Жыл бұрын

Great Podcast Lads ! America had huge debt owed to France from revolutionary war , and needed the south's financial support to re pay . I believe the now US Corp. Has never re paid . Keep up the great work , working my way through ! Cheers !

@lordmountbatten154 8 ай бұрын

The same they owe to Spain who gave them huge support and have never been recognised!!

@petebondurant58 3 ай бұрын

@robertwalsh4397 ROYALIST France aided the Colonial Americans. That regime was annihilated several years later. The United States owed nothing to revolutionary France.

@Martijn_Steinpatz Жыл бұрын

To add to Stonewall's character, he refused to season his food with pepper because 'it made his left leg ache'. Seriously, you can't make these characters up.

@nickruiz6794 9 ай бұрын

To your question about why the north just didn’t let the south secede, I think a major factor was the north thought it would be a quick and easy war

@bitcoinzoomer9994 2 жыл бұрын

Compare the political situation in 19th century antebellum america to modern antebellum america

@Terinije Жыл бұрын

The Confederate Army of Northern Virginia gets all the attention, but the Union Army of the Tennessee was the real powerhouse army of the Civil War.

@anthonyrussell3626 Жыл бұрын

Love these two & am complete (new) fan of The Rest is History - but slightly shocked at the pro-war sentiment expressed (7.00) or was that statement meant to be quoting others? They already explained how the world was moving to abolition anyway. 'Democracy' as they put it, could have remained as a shining beacon in the North & the door always open for re-admittance of the South, sparing both the catastrophic bloodshed & unknown (& virtually unconsidered) externalities / long-term consequences of the war.

@Desert-Father 4 ай бұрын

I dont know many children that can hit a 100 mph fastball.

@dearestsimone 2 жыл бұрын

It is a strange idea to me that people here generally felt the union had to be held together for moral reasons that had anything to do with the rest of the world. Maybe so, but it does not ring right for me. LIncoln thought loftly, and maybe some others, but recall how independently minded we were, in our New World, living on the enormous tracts of land out in the wild, the prairie. The world was very much right here and no where else. I don't know whether to call that selfishness, not at that point. Whatever it was has certainly contributed to who we are today.

@ExiledGypsy 3 ай бұрын

10:59 You are assuming that the population in the North were all anti slavery or didn't see the value of having slaves. The way the executive and Republicans saw it was the South separating was the begining. He West would be next. There had to be a line in the sand. Besides with all that immigration pouring in, there needed to be a reason for people stop infighting and rioting. War is the best way of mobilisation. You can impose laws. Send the poor young men away and relieve the middle class and well off people feel safe again. All of this are daily concerns of governments around he world. Remembe he messaging; take back control. You start with an emotional message to start a movement

@adtastic1533 4 ай бұрын

"What's the matter? The CIA got you pushing too many pencils?"

@dearestsimone 2 жыл бұрын

Why could the North not just let the South go? I think the standard answer taught to American school childen (self included) was that we were all economically dependent on slavery.. That still make sense to me. It was a short, simple explanation, never complicated (at least in my memory).

@scottbronnenberg3414 2 жыл бұрын

Was the rump USA willing to share a 3,000 mile border with British Canada AND a 3,000 mile border with a potential British client state ?

@youtubezcy Жыл бұрын

The Confederate rebels were religious extremists and terrorists.

@petebondurant58 3 ай бұрын

@dearestsimone Yet, the victorious Union outlawed slavery as soon as the war ended.

@fishbone2921 3 ай бұрын

Well, thank you civil war. Baseball is far superior to cricket.

@therambler3055 2 жыл бұрын

The North couldn’t just let the south go. Upwards of 80-90% of European trade comes through southern ports because the south was low tariff, and then shipped the goods up through the railroad or the Mississippi. Also the south was the richest region of the country leading up to the war and you can’t just let them go.

@youtubezcy Жыл бұрын

Nobody wants Taliban level religious extremists at their border that feels emboldened to bombard your bases and steal national property. Nor would it be fair to the remaining Americans trapped on Confederate territory.

@therambler3055 Жыл бұрын

@@youtubezcy the fact that you said anything about the Taliban tells me your reaching for the stars. Just because a few people were against secession doesn’t mean they were loyal to the USA unless your going to acknowledge the same for the pro southerns in the union. Also Lincoln was told by Winfield Scott personally not to resupply ft Sumpter SC, and ft Pickens FL because it would cause the new Confederate nation to fire on them. Because if they didn’t they would look weak on the world stage.

@henkvandergaast3948 Жыл бұрын

Oh look.. I was all for the cricket world dominance until we cheated I am afraid that once a cheat.. may as well hang on to rugby

@Mute_Nostril_Agony Жыл бұрын

Was Stonewall Jackson gay?

@cybertronian2005 7 ай бұрын

Why do you say that, just because of the Stonewall Riots? I don't think the Stonewall Inn where it was all started was named for him, I mean it was in New York for a start lol