2010-11 NBA Offense Smack Down: Lakers Triangle vs. Clippers... uh, offense

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Күн бұрын

Coach Nick breaks down the beauty and efficiency of Tex Winter's triangle offense, showing you all the different options and then compares it to the complete and utter mess that the Clippers do when they're playing hot potato with the ball. Poor Blake Griffin gets hung out to dry, while Kobe (when he actually runs the triangle) gets easy shots.

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@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@emouch1 The origin of the Triangle is the Triple Post Offense that Sam Barry ran at USC - when Tex Winter was a player. The triple post, in turn, has its origins in Doc Meanwell's offense at the University of Wisconsin - Madison in the 20's. All of these coaches went to Europe and taught their principles, which is how Gomelsky and Nikolic learned the game. It gives structure to playing bball the right way - which is why it is brilliant!!!!!!!!!!
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@beatsrus I just finished cutting up Heat vs Jazz, so I can do a little there. Stay tuned for a new channel devoted exclusively to the Heat's games! Thanks, Coach Nick
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@arshdeep8 Thanks! Make sure to stay tuned for our latest: Jazz vs. Heat on our brand new channel heatBreakdown - uploading now! COach Nick
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@7788057 Thanks!I hope you've seen our other more recent breakdowns of the NBA Finals - lots more to come all summer long. Coach Nick
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@kornerguy STAY TUNED! It's uploading now, on our brand spanking new channel: heatBreakdown - where we will breakdown every Miami Heat game. Coach Nick
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@lvelazq1 would u believe I started to breakdown footage from bulls vs mavs in November of 95 today? However, thru 3 qrtrs there was almost no good examples of the triangle. So I've gotta find a better game. I remember it being a ballet, having gone to every home game during that year. They did more complicated sets, for sure. And when you really watch MJ, u realize Kobe isn't even in the discussion. And Pippen was just superb.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@icemaen34 Thanks. Stay tuned for much more. And don't forget about HeatBreakdown - our latest channel and we're top 100 most subscribed this month for all of youtube! Coach Nick
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@jounin9988 Yes, yes, and yes. Spoelstra is not long for this job, I fear. Stay tuned for our breakdown of the Jazz vs. Heat - uploading now to our new channel: heatBreakdown.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@MrKneeyo My pleasure! Hopefully, you've checked out our more recent breakdowns! Great stuff happening in the playoffs.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@christiankash Thanks! Nerds are much more interesting, wouldn't you say? Stay tuned for our Point Guard Extravaganza where you will decide who is the best point guard in the NBA! Coach Nick
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@penguincontact Thanks! Stay tuned tomorrow for real time tweets @bballSource and a breakdown right after the Celtics Lakers game! Coach Nick
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 11 жыл бұрын
Going through our archives, I found this great breakdown on the Lakers running the triangle offense, and then comparing it to the mess that was Vinny's Clipper offense. MUST WATCH! #YOUIN
@arjipoo
@arjipoo 11 жыл бұрын
So BBALLBREAKDOWN , do you think the league still suffers from horrible play? Or has it improved?
@anirudhkrishna7689
@anirudhkrishna7689 11 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 11 жыл бұрын
Anirudh Krishna thanks! We've got lots more to share, stay tuned...
@babykevinxoxo
@babykevinxoxo 10 жыл бұрын
What offense does the Miami Heat run? What about the 80's Lakers and Celtics?
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@startstatic00 Thanks! Welcome to the most popular online channel devoted to basketball fundamentals. Definitely check out our more recent posts of the 2011 NBA Playoffs. Coach Nick
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@DrDDDuke I'm not a fan of the pick and roll, believe it or not. I don't like 4 bodies surrounding the ball like that. That said, the corner option of the triangle does it, as does the high post option - but the spacing is good and it's not out on top... As for defense of it - I have the screener's man play high on the hip and do a full hedge. If the dribbler moves toward half court in the slightest, we blitz him with both defenders. Where do you coach?
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@HARDisTHEword Have you seen our latest breakdown of Melo's first game as a Knick? We are getting ready to launch our Point Guard Extravaganza where you will decide who the best PG in the NBA is.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@jhualexc Awesome, thanks! Make sure to spread the bballbreakdown word! We have a goal to get 2,000 subscribers by the end of the year - not easy, but possible with help from everybody! Coach Nick
@alexwc
@alexwc 13 жыл бұрын
I love your videos. They're so informative and evidence based. I appreciate you spending time to find clips that reinforces your point. I look forward to them every time and am always excited to see one.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@tim10888 Thanks so much! I'm glad you found us - don't forget to check out HeatBasketball on our other channel. We'll be uploading the Celtics vs. Heat in a few minutes. If you're a Heat fan, though, I'd suggest watching while covering your eyes ;) Coach Nick
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@musicfreak21100 Thanks for the comment. I have no idea what you're trying to say, but the passion (or all caps, at least) is there.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@mistermojo420 No Joke!!! We just launched it! Stay tuned for Celtics vs. Heat from last night. It'll be uploading shortly! Coach Nick
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@KobeBryantFootWork Thanks! Stay tuned for our PG Extravaganza coming up this week!
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@Xenoliths Thanks! I've got some Bulls games from then so I will definitely do it when I get the chance. Awesome idea. Coach Nick
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@chuylupi Thanks! Baron has finally gotten into shape, so that helps. He wasn't helping much in the beginning of the season. Unfortunately, it appears the Clippers aren't gonna make the playoffs - it would take a titanic effort to get back to .500! Stay tuned tomorrow for real time tweets @bballSource and a breakdown right after the Celtics Lakers game! Coach Nick
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@Doeb44 Yes! The Rockets are long overdue for a breakdown. I'll see if I can't get their next game... Coach Nick
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@ChrisPaulbasketball3 Thanks! As a high school, I gotta go up against the flex a lot. Stay tuned for a new channel devoted to my team... and don't forget about HeatBreakdown, if you can stay in the kitchen
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@TheKorsOne Thanks! We will have a "Teaching The Triangle Offense" video out this summer. Coach NIck
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@hondah2o Thanks. Make sure to check in with HeatBreakdown as we'll break down tonight's game vs. Pacers - their first without Haslem - a guy they desperately need.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@stevenk87 Thanks! Don't forget to check out HeatBreakdown, as we'll do tonight's game vs. INdiana - and see how bad they look without their defensive stalwart Udonis Haslem - the only player that really plays defense well for them. Big loss. Oh yeah, and that Wade guy might not be playing either...
@moemansour3936
@moemansour3936 11 жыл бұрын
I feel smarter in basketball when I watch your videos. My best subscription yet.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@DrDDDuke Thanks! I've already had another request for some European breakdowns. Let me scour the TV guide and see if I can't find some games to record... Don't forget about HeatBreakdown, where we'll be sure to have lots more Heat games!
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@Chromeo33 "opposite places in the standings" - meaning Lakers are 1st, Clippers are at the bottom... Stay tuned tomorrow for real time tweets @bballSource and a breakdown right after the Celtics Lakers game! Coach Nick
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@93jeremy Awesome, thanks! Stay tuned for Heat vs. Jazz from the other night - Heat getting spanked again by the Celtics right now. It'll all be on our new channel: heatBreakdown!
@tokugawahisaka07
@tokugawahisaka07 11 жыл бұрын
I like how it's a triangle offense. Until Bryant touches the ball.
@stevenk87
@stevenk87 13 жыл бұрын
Awesome breakdown, keep up the good work.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@defghik Great question. I know with Kukoc they did things differently - I believe Kukoc penetrated from the wing a lot more, so they probably kept the center on the weakside more. I've gotta get some good games from back then - as soon as ESPN Classic airs one, I'll break it down. If all went well tonight with my recordings, I should be able to compare the Bulls offense from last year under Vinny to the new offense this year under Thibs. And I can even throw in Clippers from this year too.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@basicrc thanks! I hope u check out our offensive breakdowns of the jazz and the spurs!Coach Nick
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@dalmain77 I've been frustrated by the coaching issues for many, many seasons
@forwardten
@forwardten 11 жыл бұрын
Coach, I think it'll be interesting to compare both teams' offences again? Both teams are playing pretty good offence. Great videos and insight btw, love them, keep it up!
@bigbadballernr1
@bigbadballernr1 13 жыл бұрын
VDN cannot be called out enough. Great vid as almost always.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@chasna Pinch Post for sure... Forward across, any kind of weave across the top, any kind of back door from the high post to the wing cutter... Great question - the question is: is there a perfect offense and have I seen it. I think the perfect offense is what the Harlem Globetrotters used to do when they mixed entertainment with serious ball - around when Wilt played
@oliverjimmy3
@oliverjimmy3 13 жыл бұрын
really cool breakdown i thoroughly enjoyed that one thing i thought you could have mentioned was the fact that you need the personnel to run the right systems
@rakhunuhepptaylor2135
@rakhunuhepptaylor2135 5 жыл бұрын
thanks Coach,this is great!
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@Reeferal @damnumalone Reefer explained it pretty well. Generally, you'd like to be 15-18 feet apart in any offense - but there are times when they get so bunched up that one defensive man can guard two offensive players. Spacing and balance are very important, but a ton of teams don't seem to get their players to do those things. A shame, and hard to watch from my standpoint.
@lachie13579
@lachie13579 12 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, would be cool to see some breakdowns of other teams offence :D
@NHLfan29
@NHLfan29 13 жыл бұрын
The key for the Lakers triangle offense is having a big guy like Gasol who can really play good European style basketball hitting mid range shots and he can also run the floor. It also doesn't hurt that they have one of the best finishers ever in Kobe.
@radovlasic12
@radovlasic12 13 жыл бұрын
dude. that was one of the best bbal analysises (wtf am i saying?) i ever watched or read. beautiful breakdown.
@Bonsoisoir
@Bonsoisoir 11 жыл бұрын
Very clear analysis. Thanks.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@MrBasiQ I really have a hard time understanding how he got hired again so quickly.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@cuadfromts I'll break them down soon enough and see - with coach Pete Carril helping them, I can't believe their offense is a problem at all.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@DrDDDuke And I'm not sure why coaches don't teach how to defend it more effectively. We work on it quite a bit on my team, and it's paid off at the high school level. Luckily, power pick and rolls haven't completely taken over the high school game yet.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@animefan8492 Love it - great idea. Compare Vinny's Bulls team from last year to this year's Clipper team. I gotta see if I still have any Bulls footage from last year! I get my game footage from the TV - right into my computer...
@ayhuiojg
@ayhuiojg 13 жыл бұрын
@bballbreakdown Utah has been so impressive. They finally cleared out their clogged up PF spot and got a legit big man for almost nothing. If only you had a channel dedicated to David Kahn's trading decisions. Great job Coach Nick. Keep em coming.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@oliverjimmy3 They tried doing the Triangle in Phoenix when Ainge was coach and Robert Horry played for him. Needless to say it didn't work, Horry threw a towel in Ainge's face (even though Horry might be the best citizen in the NBA) and when they asked him in LA what the difference was, he said it was the way the Lakers teach it. So YES - you need someone who knows how to implement it. I've shot an instructional video using my players - will release it soon! Coach Nick
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@Slamwoo93 Yes, I would too. Stand by for the next time I can grab a Spurs game - I will show you what they do. GINOBILI!!!!
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@oliverjimmy3 That said, with those kind of players, any offense would work (especially cause they were so great defensively. Look at the Bulls without Jordan after he retired the 1st time- they were even better at the triangle with Pippen and Kukoc and should've gotten to the Finals. So I'm not sold that you need to have these great players to make it work.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@CZRonUTube I think: 1) If Kobe just ran the triangle offense all the time he'd score 50 of the easiest points he has ever scored per game. 2) If they ran a Kobe-centric offense, he'd score 40 and that's how many the Lakers would win!
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@hardinpants That's worthy of writing an article comparing last year and this year - if i get the chance, I'll do it... I didn't see to much different from the Bulls offense, strangely enough, but obviously Thibs has them playing better as a team and their record certainly shows that.
@straty01
@straty01 12 жыл бұрын
Just finished a weekend tournament, wish I watched this last week
@xUNPLGDx
@xUNPLGDx 13 жыл бұрын
This video shows me I need so much to learn..
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@SneakerGiantCom Thanks so much. One of the reasons why I coach is because I didn't have a coach like me to break this stuff down. Check out our playoff breakdowns! Good stuff. Coach NIck
@cynicaltimber3455
@cynicaltimber3455 10 жыл бұрын
As a Knicks fan who is watching the transition between Woodsons offense to the triangle they are running in summer league, all I can say is...Nick is the truth.
@defghik
@defghik 13 жыл бұрын
I was wondering, did the Bulls run the triangle differently in the early 90s compared to the late 90s? The roster was totally different with the exceptions of Jordan and Pippen. Great stuff here, I'm looking forward to the comparison between the Bulls and Lakers triangle.
@A1PBalling
@A1PBalling 13 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with your analysis of the clipper's offense. I watched the last game vs the spurs and it literally was having the guard get the ball, a screen and roll, and then just one on one trying to score. Almost every play was one on one. Meanwhile, on the weak side, there's no movement at all and most of the time, players are even standing right next to each other. Their lucky griffin bails them out occasionally with an athletic rebound and putback
@mJumpman
@mJumpman 12 жыл бұрын
Coach, what about this years Clippers? Anything changed with Cris Paul's arrival? Another question: do you know the Read & React Offense? What do you think about it's options? Thank you!
@omeralikhan5697
@omeralikhan5697 8 жыл бұрын
This is super relevant to what the Kings are doing this year. They do the same stuff the Clippers do in this clip. In 2016.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@oliverjimmy3 Well, the triangle is flexible enough to run with whatever type of personnel you have. The Clippers thing can only work when you have 5 Hall of Famers out there...
@animefan8492
@animefan8492 13 жыл бұрын
As a Bulls fan, would you please throw up a video showing the Bulls' offense under Vinny, and under Thibodeau? I want to see if Vinny had anything in his arsenal other than a high screen and roll, and want to see what Thibs' does in a bit of detail. I know the motion offense is kinda free-lance, but there's obviously some structure in it, structure in which I did not see throughout Vinny's tenure. Another question I would like to ask, is where do you get your game footage?
@Doeb44
@Doeb44 13 жыл бұрын
Hey Coach Nick, can you break down the problem with the Houston Rockets Defense and maybe even the Offense if you have time, im honestly curious to understand the method of rick adleman.
@icemaen34
@icemaen34 13 жыл бұрын
great video
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@bigbadballernr1 VDN! VDN! I was afraid to interview him in Vegas for fear of his answers...
@ken0746
@ken0746 13 жыл бұрын
thanks Coach. Clippers do have an offense, its just called the Clippers' offense. Love ur insight about the Triangle offense, great stuff.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@myspacedotco Yes - whenever you have weakside motion, you're better off. When you see more than one guy grabbing his shorts for a few seconds at a time, something is wrong. That said, everyone should run the triangle... :) ∆
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@chuylupi Actually, the Clippers are starting to run a real team offense - which is why they're playing so much better. I don't think it's Vinny Del Negro, though - he's got a new coach on his staff in Dean Demopolous and I think he could very well be the brainchild behind the Clipper's resurgence. Did you see our Heat vs. Clippers breakdown?
@TheUrbanZone
@TheUrbanZone 12 жыл бұрын
I started laughing when you put the spotlight on Marcus Camby haha
@beatsrus
@beatsrus 13 жыл бұрын
break down the utah offense coach nick. i'd like to make sense of all there off ball sceens.
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@amarstan As Bill Simmons is so fond of saying: KAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!
@alanarielcarlos9256
@alanarielcarlos9256 8 жыл бұрын
Few years later, Lakers offense looking worse than the Clippers offense in the video :(
@oliverjimmy3
@oliverjimmy3 13 жыл бұрын
@bballbreakdown you're right. but i think you'd need a good enough coach, at least. what other reason would there be for the triangle being one of the least implemented offensive strategies?
@jonathanjaycheng
@jonathanjaycheng 11 жыл бұрын
@bballbreakdown hey coach! how about doing another one of the these LA breakdowns again. comparing vinny del negro's 'offense', to lakers... whatever they have now..
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@jackkun56 Like I said, he must be great in a room during the interview. But he just looks lost out there - even when he had Dell Harris (meh) and Bernie Bickerstaff (double meh) they didn't seem to have anything to show for all that experience...
@jackkun56
@jackkun56 13 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, Coach. I'm so glad the Bulls got rid of Del Negro and his painfully anemic offense. How did VDN get hired over Dwane Casey?
@BlkSavant
@BlkSavant 13 жыл бұрын
hey coach what are your top 5 favorite plays to run in a game?
@joewas
@joewas 13 жыл бұрын
@bballbreakdown i totally agree, i think that rafer alston was great for the orlando magic. during the finals he was not scared to attack the laker defence because he was too tricky for dfish. rashard lewis however looked completely spooked on offence, maybe he was tired having to guard pau gasol on defence. hedo turkgolu was another magic player i rated highly in the finals against the lakers
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@hazohsiao The first thing I'd do if I were the Magic GM is trade Vince Carter yesterday. I think losing Rafer Alston and adding Vince Carter are the two things that destroyed the delicate chemistry they had when they made it to the finals...
@jounin9988
@jounin9988 13 жыл бұрын
i love this video because it shows how important a coach is and how amazing phil jackson is as a coach. I think why this is why the Heat are not a champion team and probably wont be for longer than people think
@wick3dgard3n
@wick3dgard3n 13 жыл бұрын
Love the Vids. Basketball is the sport in which coaching is so vital to success. Teams will fail/succeed based on this point alone. The talent is there on all teams, in NBA at least. It's putting it together that's the tough part. Take Michigan State for example, in the Final Four consistantly, not because of superior talent, but Izzo's coaching Thats why only the same handful of teams have a chance to win it all each year (NBA), cuz of the lack of coaching depth in the league right now.
@Slamwoo93
@Slamwoo93 13 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a breakdown of san antonio's offense even though they're old they somehow get fastbreaks going and run a nice back court offense too
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@RainCloudJ Sometimes, ignorance is bliss. Now you'll watch it like an accident on the side of the road, LOL Coach Nick
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@joewas I can see why!
@mJumpman
@mJumpman 12 жыл бұрын
Apologies Coach, just saw the newest video on Lakers vs Clippers! I knew Clippers are a good coach away from winning big in the NBA but now I know why! Great video!
@maaly8111
@maaly8111 11 жыл бұрын
nice video!
@chuxo111
@chuxo111 12 жыл бұрын
Great analysis, and this guy is hilarious while telling the truth.
@miinajordantiff
@miinajordantiff 11 жыл бұрын
Tex Winter is a genius
@bballbreakdown
@bballbreakdown 13 жыл бұрын
@milkandmeat hardinpants just made the comment that Rose is averaging more 2.5 more assists this year - clearly making him more efficient and better for the team...
@Netburner23
@Netburner23 13 жыл бұрын
isnt that play you called the flex called shuffle screens? Because the flex offense is sending a back pick to a wing then the player coming off the back pick tries to cut in front or just underneath the basket and if he doesnt get it he just back picks for the opposite wing. Good stuff I just wanted to know.
@coolfear360
@coolfear360 2 жыл бұрын
Man the league has changed ☠️
@dicksonh
@dicksonh 11 жыл бұрын
coach, 2 questions here. If we name Phil's offence Triangle, how can you name Popovich's offence in one or two words? I think these two men are just in the same level, and their difference can only be reflected by the players they have. What do you think?
@MrYoumitube
@MrYoumitube 9 жыл бұрын
Hey coach your criticism of the Clippers 2010-11 offence was amusing!
@hazohsiao
@hazohsiao 13 жыл бұрын
a bit random but i've been thinking about this for a while. if you were the Orlando Magic, would u try to trade for Steve Nash? i dont really like jameer, plus, nash+howard pick and roll would kill everyone. though i dunno if nash can handle the eastern conference point guards, i.e. rondo, rose, wall....
@Realpablomiller
@Realpablomiller 13 жыл бұрын
"they get a terrible shot to go it...which only encourages this terrible mess" hahah gold quote
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